Harvard Researchers Want Fat Kids Taken From Their Parents

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Also the "fast food is all poor people can afford" is complete BS. A BigMac combo is almost $7. A Whopper combo is almost $8. You can have a feast at your house for two for the cost of that. And dollar menu items are so tiny they are pretty low in calorie. The days of Fast food being cheap are long gone.Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Criminal? A 2lb bag of carrots is HUGE and a junior chicken is about the size of a silver dollar. Horrible comparison.foxhound_fox
Yeah, its "HUGE" but the caloric value of that whole bag probably doesn't match the sandwich. Things like celery and lettuce have negative caloric value because they are mostly water and the act of chewing burns more calories than they provide. It is a perfectly apt comparison, because everyone needs energy to survive... and when I can get more from something that is mostly fat for cheaper than a bag of carrots, that is criminal. But then again, it is the epitome of the capitalist mindset...

It may not be that there is some nefarious reason why carrots are more expensive. Maybe it has to do with how they are produced? Lots of health foods are more expensive because they are organic or expire very fast. Fruits and vegetables are good, but they go bad in a week. Other processed goods are less healthy but have shelf lives of years. That may then factor into the cost.
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]You do realize there is a correlation between lower income families and unhealthy eating habbits. It's not like fresh meat and produce are going down in price. So basically we would just be punishing poor folk for being poor.

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Or for being fat. By taking their kids

sounds like a punishment for the kids not the parents, they can now afford good food now they they dont have to pay for their kid(s)

Kids dont have to be in a poor and abusive home. Parents dont have to buy their kids one of those disabled people scooters at age 9, due to the kid not being able to walk. Sounds like a win win to me.
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Criminal? A 2lb bag of carrots is HUGE and a junior chicken is about the size of a silver dollar. Horrible comparison.foxhound_fox
Yeah, its "HUGE" but the caloric value of that whole bag probably doesn't match the sandwich. Things like celery and lettuce have negative caloric value because they are mostly water and the act of chewing burns more calories than they provide. It is a perfectly apt comparison, because everyone needs energy to survive... and when I can get more from something that is mostly fat for cheaper than a bag of carrots, that is criminal. But then again, it is the epitome of the capitalist mindset...

criminal? how?
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]Slightly off topic, but if Rum is your poison, I have to recommend a new (I believe) rum called "Cracken." It's from somewhere in the Carribean and MAN, is it ever good (and this is coming from someone that isn't all that big into rum).

surrealnumber5

Haven't seen it available at my local store, but I'll definitely look for it. Thanks for the recommendation.

cracken is not bad, IMO it is on the same level as cpt. morgan

Lot of people like Cpt. Morgan, and I agree it isn't a bad mid-range rum. But if you're looking for some more premium rums, I'd go with something like a Gosling's Black Seal or an Appleton. Roughly comparably priced and a little superior. Just my personal opinion.
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#106 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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[QUOTE="jaydough"]

I'm for it.

If your kid is obese, then you are a negligent parent.

Stop feeding your kid so many f***ing french fries just to shut him up.

You are in complete control of your kid's diet. If he's fat, then it's your fault.

Only to a point. If you've ever tried to feed a young child, you'll quickly realize how much they are in control.
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Also the "fast food is all poor people can afford" is complete BS. A BigMac combo is almost $7. A Whopper combo is almost $8. You can have a feast at your house for two for the cost of that. And dollar menu items are so tiny they are pretty low in calorie. The days of Fast food being cheap are long gone.foxhound_fox
inb4 Value/Dollar Menu

I mentioned the dollar menu in my post.

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#108 Nibroc420
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If you've ever tried to feed a young child, you'll quickly realize how much they are in control.sonicare
Parents who cant parent shouldn't be parents. Parents who condemn their kids to a life of supreme obesity, shouldn't be parents. Abuse shouldn't be tolerated, i dont see why people are defending it.
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#109 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Or for being fat. By taking their kidsNibroc420

sounds like a punishment for the kids not the parents, they can now afford good food now they they dont have to pay for their kid(s)

Kids dont have to be in a poor and abusive home. Parents dont have to buy their kids one of those disabled people scooters at age 9, due to the kid not being able to walk. Sounds like a win win to me.

and with free healthcare there is no need to get the kid back in shape, just give him or her a 30min liposuction, and dump him or her at the closest orphanage

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[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] Its not a punishment... it is a surcharge for a luxury. A completely unnecessary luxury that isn't required to live. A 2 lb bag of carrots costs more than a Junior Chicken. That is criminal.nocoolnamejim
I guess it depends on how much each costs to produce, package, distribute, and sell.

Exactly. If, as a society, we want to combat obesity, then a good way to do that is to do things that enable us to increase the cost of unhealthy stuff and decrease the costs of healthy stuff. Conservatives may disagree in principle with any sort of interference with the free market and I can understand that. I'd argue that the free market can't solve every single problem out there and has DEFINITELY failed at solving the obesity problem. (At least so far.) Therefore this might be an area that would justify a "collective action" approach given that health care costs for our country are one of the biggest causes of our deficits and soaring insurance premiums. Essentially, I'm making the argument that there are all sorts of levers you can pull, either alone or in some combined approach, that can help people to help themselves. Some people will still choose to chow down on junk food all the time. But on the other hand, if someone like Foxhound_Fox here in this thread had some more affordable healthy options then maybe he'd take advantage of them?

It would be nice to have more healthier alternatives for fast food. Other than subway, there's just not a lot out there. Not sure why, because I bet the demand would be good for them. Many people want to eat better but they dont have the time or the patience to do it. So if a fastfood joint could capitalize on that, you'd think they would do well.
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]If you've ever tried to feed a young child, you'll quickly realize how much they are in control.Nibroc420
Parents who cant parent shouldn't be parents. Parents who condemn their kids to a life of supreme obesity, shouldn't be parents. Abuse shouldn't be tolerated, i dont see why people are defending it.

I'm not saying you cave into your kids, but some kids are very picky eaters and you may not have as much control as you think.
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]If you've ever tried to feed a young child, you'll quickly realize how much they are in control.Nibroc420
Parents who cant parent shouldn't be parents. Parents who condemn their kids to a life of supreme obesity, shouldn't be parents. Abuse shouldn't be tolerated, i dont see why people are defending it.

are we going by BMI for what is obese?
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] sounds like a punishment for the kids not the parents, they can now afford good food now they they dont have to pay for their kid(s)

surrealnumber5

Kids dont have to be in a poor and abusive home. Parents dont have to buy their kids one of those disabled people scooters at age 9, due to the kid not being able to walk. Sounds like a win win to me.

and with free healthcare there is no need to get the kid back in shape, just give him or her a 30min liposuction, and dump him or her at the closest orphanage

I dont think i agree with your solution, but i'm not American. Dont you think a healthy diet, and exercise would be a better solution long term?
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="sonicare"] I guess it depends on how much each costs to produce, package, distribute, and sell.sonicare
Exactly. If, as a society, we want to combat obesity, then a good way to do that is to do things that enable us to increase the cost of unhealthy stuff and decrease the costs of healthy stuff. Conservatives may disagree in principle with any sort of interference with the free market and I can understand that. I'd argue that the free market can't solve every single problem out there and has DEFINITELY failed at solving the obesity problem. (At least so far.) Therefore this might be an area that would justify a "collective action" approach given that health care costs for our country are one of the biggest causes of our deficits and soaring insurance premiums. Essentially, I'm making the argument that there are all sorts of levers you can pull, either alone or in some combined approach, that can help people to help themselves. Some people will still choose to chow down on junk food all the time. But on the other hand, if someone like Foxhound_Fox here in this thread had some more affordable healthy options then maybe he'd take advantage of them?

It would be nice to have more healthier alternatives for fast food. Other than subway, there's just not a lot out there. Not sure why, because I bet the demand would be good for them. Many people want to eat better but they dont have the time or the patience to do it. So if a fastfood joint could capitalize on that, you'd think they would do well.

There are plenty of healthier fast food options. Or at least food that is fast. They just are huge chains.

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Everyone hates to hear it, but I'll just go ahead and say it. It's a 'slippery slope.'

Honeslty, there is so much truth to the "everything in moderation" cliches. That being said, virtually anything and everything we do can be viewed as 'bad for us.' It's easy to take an extreme example like a 400 pound 5 year old or something like that, but when we start using the 'healthcare costs' as the umbrella under which we intervene (interfear) in peoples lives, we are only asking for trouble.

Way back when I was in high school, during a single season, no less than three players were severely injured (2 of which required some pretty extensive surgeries with pins and wearing those insane full leg brace-things for the rest of the year). Soccer, as many other activities, is a risky business. Who knows how much the medical care costs were for these kids. Should we ban sports?

We've already taxed tanning salons. Everyone knows that laying out in the sun year after year drastically increases the chance of skin cancer. Should we have people out on the beaches and pool decks issuing tickets for people who are taking some rays?

Every week thousands and thousands of kids and adults sustain terrible injuries while riding bicycles. Should we start banning bikes (or taxing the heck out of them)?

Some of these ideas may seem out there, but if we are going to constantly fall back on the "But the healthcare costs!!!" arguement, I see no reason why a whole host of goods and activities will not be taxed if not banned outright.

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The real problem here is a lot of today's kids don't get a crazy thing called EXERCISE. Way too much it put into food. Parents need to start kicking their kids butts out the door for a couple hours a day so they can run around.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="sonicare"]If you've ever tried to feed a young child, you'll quickly realize how much they are in control.surrealnumber5
Parents who cant parent shouldn't be parents. Parents who condemn their kids to a life of supreme obesity, shouldn't be parents. Abuse shouldn't be tolerated, i dont see why people are defending it.

are we going by BMI for what is obese?

God I hope not. BMI is a crock of ****. It doesn't differentiate between muscle weight and fat weight. I'm sitting between 15 and 16% body fat and BMI says that I'm in the "very high" range for their obesity scale. I think you have to only go after the truly easy cases, not the borderline stuff. There should be a high burden of proof that neglect exists to take kids away from their parents.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Haven't seen it available at my local store, but I'll definitely look for it. Thanks for the recommendation.nocoolnamejim

cracken is not bad, IMO it is on the same level as cpt. morgan

Lot of people like Cpt. Morgan, and I agree it isn't a bad mid-range rum. But if you're looking for some more premium rums, I'd go with something like a Gosling's Black Seal or an Appleton. Roughly comparably priced and a little superior. Just my personal opinion.

i keep some good stuff on hand if needed, but for "everyday use" i shoot of low to mids.

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it's for the best :P
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Parents who cant parent shouldn't be parents. Parents who condemn their kids to a life of supreme obesity, shouldn't be parents. Abuse shouldn't be tolerated, i dont see why people are defending it.nocoolnamejim
are we going by BMI for what is obese?

God I hope not. BMI is a crock of ****. It doesn't differentiate between muscle weight and fat weight. I'm sitting between 15 and 16% body fat and BMI says that I'm in the "very high" range for their obesity scale. I think you have to only go after the truly easy cases, not the borderline stuff. There should be a high burden of proof that neglect exists to take kids away from their parents.

I suggest not using BMI if you're not sure of the correct usage for it.
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] cracken is not bad, IMO it is on the same level as cpt. morgan

surrealnumber5

Lot of people like Cpt. Morgan, and I agree it isn't a bad mid-range rum. But if you're looking for some more premium rums, I'd go with something like a Gosling's Black Seal or an Appleton. Roughly comparably priced and a little superior. Just my personal opinion.

i keep some good stuff on hand if needed, but for "everyday use" i shoot of low to mids.

Cruzan and Castillo are pretty good low to mid range rums IMO. I put Bacardi and Cpt. Morgan in the "upper-mid" range. Still mid-range, but a bit higher up the middle range.
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@ the whole "who's to say what's fat and what's not" debacle:

It's easy to set a standard of what "fat" is.

Go with BMI with body fat ratio.

Or, alternatively, if you see a five year old boy with boobs, then he's probably fat.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Parents who cant parent shouldn't be parents. Parents who condemn their kids to a life of supreme obesity, shouldn't be parents. Abuse shouldn't be tolerated, i dont see why people are defending it.nocoolnamejim
are we going by BMI for what is obese?

God I hope not. BMI is a crock of ****. It doesn't differentiate between muscle weight and fat weight. I'm sitting between 15 and 16% body fat and BMI says that I'm in the "very high" range for their obesity scale. I think you have to only go after the truly easy cases, not the borderline stuff. There should be a high burden of proof that neglect exists to take kids away from their parents.

bmi is crap that is why i asked, because if we are going by that i would have been taken from my parents even though i dont think i have ever had more than 15%body fat, and those were hard times.
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#124 Nibroc420
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It's easy to set a standard of what "fat" is.

Go with BMI with body fat ratio.

Or, alternatively, if you see a five year old boy with boobs, then he's probably fat.

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Can we start with those kids on Maury? Those episodes where he brings in parents who feed their 3 year olds buckets of KFC disgust me.
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The food is part of the problem, but then again, McDonalds has been around since way before any of us were born and kids have been eating it for decades when there wasn't a fat epidemic. So in a way, it's like a control in an experiment and you can't really just blame the food at all. Heck, I ate McDonalds a lot as a kid and wasn't fat. The biggest reason, I didn't really have a legit video game console until I was almost 12. As kids, we played several hours a day. This 60 a day crap is just ridiculouse. It's a compromise for lazy parents and their lazy a** kids. Kids should want to get out and play with their friends outside. I used to love to run and climb and ride bikes and play hide and seek and just be stupid kids. It kept us all in shape. There was no, "I want to play video games and play on the computer 12 hours a day." God forbid that overweight kid has to go outside for an hour a day. Poor thing is living in a second rate country with horrid living conditions having to play an hour a day in the U.S. Give it up. The parents should at least make the kids stay outside like mine did on the weekends when they're home. My parents would only let me play on my Super Nintendo for about 2 hours a day and then it was either outside or do chores. You can guess which one I wanted to do, but I loved being outside and interacting with my friends. That's the key. Exercise. Kids usually have faster metabolisms than their adult counterparts, so the food will burn itself. The key is to exercise by playing outside or inside as long as they're being active. If the kid plays enough to burn 2,000+ calories a day, the McDonalds isn't going to be a problem.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Lot of people like Cpt. Morgan, and I agree it isn't a bad mid-range rum. But if you're looking for some more premium rums, I'd go with something like a Gosling's Black Seal or an Appleton. Roughly comparably priced and a little superior. Just my personal opinion.nocoolnamejim

i keep some good stuff on hand if needed, but for "everyday use" i shoot of low to mids.

Cruzan and Castillo are pretty good low to mid range rums IMO. I put Bacardi and Cpt. Morgan in the "upper-mid" range. Still mid-range, but a bit higher up the middle range.

bacardi is on my over priced crap list only trumped by every gin ever stilled, but i do frequent the captain

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] are we going by BMI for what is obese?surrealnumber5
God I hope not. BMI is a crock of ****. It doesn't differentiate between muscle weight and fat weight. I'm sitting between 15 and 16% body fat and BMI says that I'm in the "very high" range for their obesity scale. I think you have to only go after the truly easy cases, not the borderline stuff. There should be a high burden of proof that neglect exists to take kids away from their parents.

bmi is crap that is why i asked, because if we are going by that i would have been taken from my parents even though i dont think i have ever had more than 15%body fat, and those were hard times.

Yeah, I don't think you could go on BMI alone. Perhaps you could, as Jaydough suggested, have some combination of BMI + Body Fat% to determine at what point neglect comes in. I would advocate that number be pretty damn high to qualify as genuine neglect.
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i keep some good stuff on hand if needed, but for "everyday use" i shoot of low to mids.

surrealnumber5

Cruzan and Castillo are pretty good low to mid range rums IMO. I put Bacardi and Cpt. Morgan in the "upper-mid" range. Still mid-range, but a bit higher up the middle range.

bacardi is on my over priced crap list only trumped by every gin ever stilled, but i do frequent the captain

I think it depends on what you mix it with. Captain mixes way better with coke than Bacardi, but Bacardi mixes fairly well with some other types of drink mixers for rum.
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i keep some good stuff on hand if needed, but for "everyday use" i shoot of low to mids.

surrealnumber5

Cruzan and Castillo are pretty good low to mid range rums IMO. I put Bacardi and Cpt. Morgan in the "upper-mid" range. Still mid-range, but a bit higher up the middle range.

bacardi is on my over priced crap list only trumped by every gin ever stilled, but i do frequent the captain

hey guys i drink pabst blue ribbon can i join this conversation

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The food is part of the problem, but then again, McDonalds has been around since way before any of us were born and kids have been eating it for decades when there wasn't a fat epidemic. So in a way, it's like a control in an experiment and you can't really just blame the food at all. Heck, I ate McDonalds a lot as a kid and wasn't fat. The biggest reason, I didn't really have a legit video game console until I was almost 12. As kids, we played several hours a day. This 60 a day crap is just ridiculouse. It's a compromise for lazy parents and their lazy a** kids. Kids should want to get out and play with their friends outside. I used to love to run and climb and ride bikes and play hide and seek and just be stupid kids. It kept us all in shape. There was no, "I want to play video games and play on the computer 12 hours a day." God forbid that overweight kid has to go outside for an hour a day. Poor thing is living in a second rate country with horrid living conditions having to play an hour a day in the U.S. Give it up. The parents should at least make the kids stay outside like mine did on the weekends when they're home. My parents would only let me play on my Super Nintendo for about 2 hours a day and then it was either outside or do chores. You can guess which one I wanted to do, but I loved being outside and interacting with my friends. That's the key. Exercise. Kids usually have faster metabolisms than their adult counterparts, so the food will burn itself. The key is to exercise by playing outside or inside as long as they're being active. If the kid plays enough to burn 2,000+ calories a day, the McDonalds isn't going to be a problem.

Sunfyre7896

Along with my previous "slippery slope" post I might as well add the 'breakdown of the family unit' as well.

I haven't done any studies or surveys, but based on my own observations I have completely seen how a lot of, say, single parents find themselves too busy trying to be a mom and a dad and a provider and a home-maker to engage in physical activites with their kids. (Please understand I don't mean to say that all single parents are bad).

I've also seen a lot of parents that are just completely self-absorbed and mommy would rather go to the salon so she takes Junior with her, drops a DS in his hand and figures as long as he's quiet all is well. When I was younger I saw a lot more families doing activities together. I remembe growing up my parents would take long walk while my brothers and I rode bicycles.

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#131 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Cruzan and Castillo are pretty good low to mid range rums IMO. I put Bacardi and Cpt. Morgan in the "upper-mid" range. Still mid-range, but a bit higher up the middle range.jaydough

bacardi is on my over priced crap list only trumped by every gin ever stilled, but i do frequent the captain

hey guys i drink pabst blue ribbon can i join this conversation

Lucky > Pabst.
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[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] bacardi is on my over priced crap list only trumped by every gin ever stilled, but i do frequent the captain

Nibroc420

hey guys i drink pabst blue ribbon can i join this conversation

Lucky > Pabst.

Everything > Pabst

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#133 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Cruzan and Castillo are pretty good low to mid range rums IMO. I put Bacardi and Cpt. Morgan in the "upper-mid" range. Still mid-range, but a bit higher up the middle range.nocoolnamejim

bacardi is on my over priced crap list only trumped by every gin ever stilled, but i do frequent the captain

I think it depends on what you mix it with. Captain mixes way better with coke than Bacardi, but Bacardi mixes fairly well with some other types of drink mixers for rum.

mix.... MIX! burn the heretic. next youre going to tell me you use ice. that thing you were saying about coke *cough* agreed *cough*

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#134 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="jaydough"] hey guys i drink pabst blue ribbon can i join this conversation

jaydough

Lucky > Pabst.

Everything > Pabst

Old Milwaukee > Pabst?
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#135 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Lucky > Pabst.Nibroc420

Everything > Pabst

Old Milwaukee > Pabst?

pisswater > keysone > everything you guys have named.

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#136 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="jaydough"] Everything > Pabst

surrealnumber5

Old Milwaukee > Pabst?

pisswater > keysone > everything you guys have named.

Molson > whatever you drink.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Parents who cant parent shouldn't be parents. Parents who condemn their kids to a life of supreme obesity, shouldn't be parents. Abuse shouldn't be tolerated, i dont see why people are defending it.nocoolnamejim
are we going by BMI for what is obese?

God I hope not. BMI is a crock of ****. It doesn't differentiate between muscle weight and fat weight. I'm sitting between 15 and 16% body fat and BMI says that I'm in the "very high" range for their obesity scale. I think you have to only go after the truly easy cases, not the borderline stuff. There should be a high burden of proof that neglect exists to take kids away from their parents.

The thing with BMI is that it works well with gauging large populations but not individual people. There's always going to be someone out there with lots of muscle mass that is "overweight" according to BMI while they may be very healthy. However such people are generally not the norm when we're talking about populations in the millions.
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#138 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] are we going by BMI for what is obese?

God I hope not. BMI is a crock of ****. It doesn't differentiate between muscle weight and fat weight. I'm sitting between 15 and 16% body fat and BMI says that I'm in the "very high" range for their obesity scale. I think you have to only go after the truly easy cases, not the borderline stuff. There should be a high burden of proof that neglect exists to take kids away from their parents.

The thing with BMI is that it works well with gauging large populations but not individual people. There's always going to be someone out there with lots of muscle mass that is "overweight" according to BMI while they may be very healthy. However such people are generally not the norm when we're talking about populations in the millions.

It's not even supposed to be used on people with greater than average muscle mass. Or on anyone who isn't physically inactive.
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#139 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Old Milwaukee > Pabst?Nibroc420

pisswater > keysone > everything you guys have named.

Molson > whatever you drink.

even piss water? that is unpossible

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#140 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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And people really wonder why some of us don't trust the government.

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#141 nocoolnamejim
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] bacardi is on my over priced crap list only trumped by every gin ever stilled, but i do frequent the captain

surrealnumber5

I think it depends on what you mix it with. Captain mixes way better with coke than Bacardi, but Bacardi mixes fairly well with some other types of drink mixers for rum.

mix.... MIX! burn the heretic. next youre going to tell me you use ice. that thing you were saying about coke *cough* agreed *cough*

I know, I know. Wife thinks the same thing. She takes her poison straight as well. I got a little too much of that during my fraternity days. I'm almost exclusively a rum and coke (zero) or a vodka martini drinker these days.
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And people really wonder why some of us don't trust the government.

airshocker

Um.

The government isn't doing this.

Harvard Researchers are suggesting it.

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#143 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] God I hope not. BMI is a crock of ****. It doesn't differentiate between muscle weight and fat weight. I'm sitting between 15 and 16% body fat and BMI says that I'm in the "very high" range for their obesity scale. I think you have to only go after the truly easy cases, not the borderline stuff. There should be a high burden of proof that neglect exists to take kids away from their parents.

The thing with BMI is that it works well with gauging large populations but not individual people. There's always going to be someone out there with lots of muscle mass that is "overweight" according to BMI while they may be very healthy. However such people are generally not the norm when we're talking about populations in the millions.

It's not even supposed to be used on people with greater than average muscle mass. Or on anyone who isn't physically inactive.

Well like I said, it's best use is for gauging populations not individuals.
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#144 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] The thing with BMI is that it works well with gauging large populations but not individual people. There's always going to be someone out there with lots of muscle mass that is "overweight" according to BMI while they may be very healthy. However such people are generally not the norm when we're talking about populations in the millions.

It's not even supposed to be used on people with greater than average muscle mass. Or on anyone who isn't physically inactive.

Well like I said, it's best use is for gauging populations not individuals.

Yeah, i just find it silly when people use BMI on people that it's not intended for, then go "zomg, i'm not obese, BMI is broken!"
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#145 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Um.

The government isn't doing this.

Harvard Researchers are suggesting it.

jaydough

Because academia doesn't influence government policy at all, right? :roll:

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#146 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="jaydough"]

Um.

The government isn't doing this.

Harvard Researchers are suggesting it.

airshocker

Because academia doesn't influence government policy at all, right? :roll:

Academia is also the source of a lot of knowledge and innovative thinking. If only people would accept change.
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[QUOTE="jaydough"]

Um.

The government isn't doing this.

Harvard Researchers are suggesting it.

airshocker

Because academia doesn't influence government policy at all, right? :roll:

Because academia doesn't influence your policy at all, right? :roll:

edit: oh wait

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#148 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Academia is also the source of a lot of knowledge and innovative thinking. If only people would accept change.Nibroc420

What is innovative about taking away someone's child? It's tyrannical, plain and simple.

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#149 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Because academia doesn't influence your policy at all, right? :roll:

edit: oh wait

jaydough

What is this even supposed to mean?

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Academia is also the source of a lot of knowledge and innovative thinking. If only people would accept change.airshocker

What is innovative about taking away someone's child? It's tyrannical, plain and simple.

If a child is being neglected, social services take the child away.

This shouldn't be an exception.