Harvard Researchers Want Fat Kids Taken From Their Parents

My lord.

Of course OT would find a way to make a topic about fat-ass kids and turn it into a political debate.

OT I am disappoint.

DJ-Lafleur

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It represents this particular group of researchers' findings.

The group itself may not even believe it, but they have found some evidence for it, and thus are reporting it.

And what makes you think it's progressive/liberal?

Nothing very liberal about taking away kids.

edit: also thank you for conceding to some degree. i forgot you're one of the people that actually does that.

CaveJohnson1

Harvard is very liberal.

No, but not everything liberals preach is very liberal.

Fe-endings are the best.

There are other ways to provide parents with incentives to stop facilitating childhood obesity. My instincts tell me that the researches proposed this method to bring awareness.

Remove the option for the $1000 (or whatever it is now) child tax credit. Impose extra premiums on health insurance. Et cetera. I think those are fairly practical incentives.

I agree that childhood obesity is a serious issue that can significantly reduce long term quality of life, and that we as a society need to address this problem head on.

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My lord.

Of course OT would find a way to make a topic about fat-ass kids and turn it into a political debate.

OT I am disappoint.

Serraph105

i just hit me, i know how to stop childhood obesity, you give the parents tax breaks for their kids participating in team sports.

i just hit me, i know how to stop childhood obesity, you give the parents tax breaks for their kids participating in team sports.

surrealnumber5

That's actually an awesome idea.

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My lord.

Of course OT would find a way to make a topic about fat-ass kids and turn it into a political debate.

OT I am disappoint.

Ace6301

I'd say it says more about how f****** up our politics are. The president's wife says eat more vegetables and exercise more and the press treats it as a war on freedom.

i just hit me, i know how to stop childhood obesity, you give the parents tax breaks for their kids participating in team sports.

surrealnumber5

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i just hit me, i know how to stop childhood obesity, you give the parents tax breaks for their kids participating in team sports.

chessmaster1989

i would rather reward good people then punish lazy people.

Unless they're being trained to be ninjas, I can't say I support this.

If they are, then F*** YEAH!

God damnit I want doritos now... thanks OT. :(chessmaster1989

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i just hit me, i know how to stop childhood obesity, you give the parents tax breaks for their kids participating in team sports.

Choga

That's actually an awesome idea.

It does sound like a good idea. I'd suggest sumo wrestling.

would you leave a severely underweight child with there parents?ManifestoJoe

[QUOTE="achilles614"]If we're going this far by saying it's abuse to allow your child to be fat, shouldn't unhealthy foods be outlawed too as a public health hazard? When I have kids I can guarantee it that they won't be fat. I keep to an all whole foods diet myself and hopefully my kids will follow.markop2003

Also we need to teach people about the difference between a caloric surplus and deficit.

Honestly, as fat as kids are nowadays, I would say so, alot of fruits and vegitables are dirt cheap, while fatty meats can get expensive yet those kids are just pounding it down.

Sometimes it is abuse to an undeniable degree.

CaveJohnson1

Fruits and vegetables aren't dirt cheap. Not by a long shot.

Which is why, as someone suggested, we should subsidize healthy foods and tax unhealthy ones. This would give poorer families an incentive to buy healthy.

Choga

The market can do it just as easily as government intervention and will cost us less money. I see no reason to subsidize anything.

A bag of Doritos wouldn't last 3 weeks in a family who buys chips over apples.Nibroc420

Sadly, it all comes down to price. It's much cheaper to buy junk food because it lasts longer, and it's cheaper to replace.

A bag of doritos lasts two weeks? :?

Those must be some pretty huge bags.

DJ-Lafleur

Have you seen the giant size ones at Costco? Yeah, they last two weeks.

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A bag of doritos lasts two weeks? :?

Those must be some pretty huge bags.

airshocker

Have you seen the giant size ones at Costco? Yeah, they last two weeks.

Two weeks? BS. Challenge accepted.

Do u ever wonder why there is a connection between people being more educated and being more liberal? ;)

CaveJohnson1

Because most universities are liberal. However, there are still some unbiased teachers out there. Like my macroeconomics teacher.

Two weeks? BS. Challenge accepted.

chessmaster1989

Without videos it didn't happen. ;)

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Two weeks? BS. Challenge accepted.

airshocker

Without videos it didn't happen. ;)

Once I find a Costco I'll do it. Actually I don't have a membership anyway so yeah... :lol:

Once I find a Costco I'll do it. Actually I don't have a membership anyway so yeah... :lol:

chessmaster1989

Walmart might have them too.

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Once I find a Costco I'll do it. Actually I don't have a membership anyway so yeah... :lol:

airshocker

Walmart might have them too.

I will check next time I'm over there. I can eat so many doritos... :D

We remove children from parents who physically, sexually or mentally abuse their children, and yet some of you think it is odd that there is talk of removing children from parents who severely compromise their long-term health? In many aspects, the type of abuse administered by the parents of obsese children is much worse than that of parents who routinely hit their children.MetalGear_Ninty

Thankfully the law disagrees with you.

My mind can't even comprehend the tyranny this thread is suggesting. Supposedly by self-proclaimed liberals. I guess we know how false that term really is.

I will check next time I'm over there. I can eat so many doritos... :D

chessmaster1989

I like the cheeseburger kind, to be honest. I also liked the 3D kind, too bad they got rid of them.

Besides the above point, you are making the argument that the state and not the parents knows how to raise children best.

sonicare

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I will check next time I'm over there. I can eat so many doritos... :D

airshocker

I like the cheeseburger kind, to be honest. I also liked the 3D kind, too bad they got rid of them.

Always been a fan of the nacho cheese kind.

Always been a fan of the nacho cheese kind.

chessmaster1989

Ever have these things called Dipsy Doodles? They're an east coast thing, kind of like fritos only a thousand times tastier.

My wife has to drag me away from the aisle that has them everytime we shop. I still cheat every once and awhile at work, though. Or when she goes to stay in Jersey with her parents for a weekend.

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Honestly, as fat as kids are nowadays, I would say so, alot of fruits and vegitables are dirt cheap, while fatty meats can get expensive yet those kids are just pounding it down.

Sometimes it is abuse to an undeniable degree.

airshocker

Fruits and vegetables aren't dirt cheap. Not by a long shot.

Fruits are often pretty cheap, u get like 6 bannanas for 49c and a dozen apples 4 two dollars, same with oranges, and alot of things like bread are often cheaper if u buy the healthier kinds (not the organic stuff) but whole wheat is cheaper than white bread.

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Always been a fan of the nacho cheese kind.

airshocker

Ever have these things called Dipsy Doodles? They're an east coast thing, kind of like fritos only a thousand times tastier.

My wife has to drag me away from the aisle that has them everytime we shop. I still cheat every once and awhile at work, though. Or when she goes to stay in Jersey with her parents for a weekend.

Never heard of them, but fritos are awesome so I'll look for them. I'm actually going out to get some groceries soon so I'll see if I can find them then. :P

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Do u ever wonder why there is a connection between people being more educated and being more liberal? ;)

airshocker

Because most universities are liberal. However, there are still some unbiased teachers out there. Like my macroeconomics teacher.

Rofl...Harvard...what a bunch of crackhead ****tard idiots. These sorts of ludicrous ideas are what you get when you put together a bunch of state-funded "professors" who couldn't hack it in the private sector, and let them endlessly "think" and "research" without any sort of reality check. They will inevitably "think" and "research" their way to the conclusions they want to come to.

That has nothing to do with the video I posted, in that vid the mother fed her kid ribs whenever he wanted them, and last time I checked, ribs aren't dirt cheap. There are clear cut cases of abuse out there where children need to be removed from their parents.

Fruits are often pretty cheap, u get like 6 bannanas for 49c and a dozen apples 4 two dollars, same with oranges, and alot of things like bread are often cheaper if u buy the healthier kinds (not the organic stuff) but whole wheat is cheaper than white bread.

CaveJohnson1

That's not abuse. That's called spoiling your child. Just because you say it's abuse, doesn't make it so. If that was the case, none of us would ever lose an argument.

Nothing is that cheap around here, especially in the inner-city areas.

is it coincidence that those doctors teaching in college and doctors in general tend to be much more liberal than average ;)

CaveJohnson1

You have any proof for that claim?

I know a couple doctors who are about as conservative as they come.

Never heard of them, but fritos are awesome so I'll look for them. I'm actually going out to get some groceries soon so I'll see if I can find them then. :P

chessmaster1989

Don't blame me if you get addicted.

Rofl...Harvard...what a bunch of crackhead ****tard idiots. These sorts of ludicrous ideas are what you get when you put together a bunch of state-funded "professors" who couldn't hack it in the privtae sector, and let them endlessly "think" and "research" without any sort of reality check.

Communistik

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That has nothing to do with the video I posted, in that vid the mother fed her kid ribs whenever he wanted them, and last time I checked, ribs aren't dirt cheap. There are clear cut cases of abuse out there where children need to be removed from their parents.

Fruits are often pretty cheap, u get like 6 bannanas for 49c and a dozen apples 4 two dollars, same with oranges, and alot of things like bread are often cheaper if u buy the healthier kinds (not the organic stuff) but whole wheat is cheaper than white bread.

airshocker

That's not abuse. That's called spoiling your child. Just because you say it's abuse, doesn't make it so. If that was the case, none of us would ever lose an argument.

Nothing is that cheap around here, especially in the inner-city areas.

and yes, doing something to your child that is going to cause long term health and psychological probems is abuse. Theses children will have dramatically shortened lives and have lower qualities of life on top of that.

Also, Walmart, Kroger? Those things are everywhere.

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That has nothing to do with the video I posted, in that vid the mother fed her kid ribs whenever he wanted them, and last time I checked, ribs aren't dirt cheap. There are clear cut cases of abuse out there where children need to be removed from their parents.

Fruits are often pretty cheap, u get like 6 bannanas for 49c and a dozen apples 4 two dollars, same with oranges, and alot of things like bread are often cheaper if u buy the healthier kinds (not the organic stuff) but whole wheat is cheaper than white bread.

CaveJohnson1

That's not abuse. That's called spoiling your child. Just because you say it's abuse, doesn't make it so. If that was the case, none of us would ever lose an argument.

Nothing is that cheap around here, especially in the inner-city areas.

and yes, doing something to your child that is going to cause long term health and psychological probems is abuse. Theses children will have dramatically shortened lives and have lower qualities of life on top of that.

Also, Walmart, Kroger? Those things are everywhere.

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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

That's not abuse. That's called spoiling your child. Just because you say it's abuse, doesn't make it so. If that was the case, none of us would ever lose an argument.

Nothing is that cheap around here, especially in the inner-city areas.

LJS9502_basic

and yes, doing something to your child that is going to cause long term health and psychological probems is abuse. Theses children will have dramatically shortened lives and have lower qualities of life on top of that.

Also, Walmart, Kroger? Those things are everywhere.

No. Because that'd be the fault of his peers, not his parents. Parents can't control what Johnny's peers do, or atleast it's much harder to handle.

What dinner the kids eat everyday is something the parents are on control of however.

Would allowing your child to smoke be abuse? Like I've said, being morbidly obese has been shown to be as bad as smoking a pack a day.

and yes, doing something to your child that is going to cause long term health and psychological probems is abuse. Theses children will have dramatically shortened lives and have lower qualities of life on top of that.

Also, Walmart, Kroger? Those things are everywhere.

CaveJohnson1

And if he smokes without his parents knowing? Should he be removed from his home then? What about the mental trauma of removing a child from their home?

Can you prove that someone being borderline obese won't live longer than someone that is healthy? We see that every day. A perfectly fit person dying of a heart attack, and someone who is morbidly obese living into their 90s.

Not all Walmarts sell food. The only one in my county is right next to a supermarket, the supermarket has higher prices, but it has everything.

You don't get to make the determination of how a parent raises their child. No matter how much you want to.

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is it coincidence that those doctors teaching in college and doctors in general tend to be much more liberal than average ;)

airshocker

You have any proof for that claim?

I know a couple doctors who are about as conservative as they come.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/125423/Americans-Postgraduate-Education-Back-Obama.aspx?CSTS=tagrss

http://chronicle.com/article/College-Makes-Students-More/64040/

case examples don't equal a trend......here's a couple studies I found.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/125423/Americans-Postgraduate-Education-Back-Obama.aspx?CSTS=tagrss

http://chronicle.com/article/College-Makes-Students-More/64040/

CaveJohnson1

All that proves is that college makes people more liberal, which is not something I'm arguing against. Weren't we just talking about doctors, though? Where's you proof for them?

Those studies don't touch the subject of collegiate bias, especially in universities.

In very very extreme cases, I don't think it's unreasonable for something like this to be on the table, but it should really be an option for when all other options have failed. I think that an intervetion in which authorities tell parents, "You need to do something about this or it could start turning into neglect/abuse." If parents are warned in this way, I think they'll start making an effort to change the home environment or take steps to get their child's weight down.

I think you have to be very verycareful about when you start taking away children.