Has South Park ever offended you?

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Alexdehman234"]NO because It a tv show and if you are offended you are really just insecure MrGeezer

That reminds me of another example of something stupid they've tried to say...that we should strive to be especially offensive, ESPECIALLY if it means that someone is gonna get hurt.

and missed point #2. Their point was everything should be ok to be made fun of or nothing will be. The year before that season, the Catholic Church was able to have one of the South Park episodes taken off the air because it was deemed offensive, and then a Scientology one was taken off the air, and then they couldn't post a picture of Muhammed even though they've made the character before in a much more offensive way.

They cited violent retribution as a reason why they SHOULD offend Muslims. As in, if they censor themselves because of recent developments, they're somehow giving in to the enemy.

Of course, it's REAL easy to adhere to such ideals when it is SOMEONE ELSE who is ****ing getting hurt.

well there is supposed to be freedom of expression and freedom of speech in the states and if you're afraid to do/ say something because terrorists are going to kill you is that really freedom?

and I believe those artists that did it before all had contracts put out on them, so yes they would have been threatened also.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
smerlus

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

so alcohol is an illegal drug?

I wasn't aware that addiction had A SINGLE ****ING THING to do with whether or not a substance is illegal.

You DO know what "addiction" means, do you not?

Stupid ****ing Thing #3: Global warming is an imaginary man/bear/pig monster created by Al Gore to make himself seem important.
MrGeezer

It's half man half bear half pig!

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]123625

Do you really think comedy central would allow them to use muhammed after what the muslims did after the Danish cartoons? They showed jesus to show that if its ok to show him, it should be ok to show muhammed.

Except muhammed would of only been standing and handing over some thing to peter. They went way overboard with Jesus, but hey, i can be offended but i won't do anything about it.

They couldnt control the muhammed situation, I thought the jesus thing was hilarious.

Shows they were afraid.

Shows they had sense enough not to get the episode pulled by comedy central, they can't control what gets censored.

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
MrGeezer

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

so alcohol is an illegal drug?

I wasn't aware that addiction had A SINGLE ****ING THING to do with whether or not a substance is illegal.

You DO know what "addiction" means, do you not?

so really. is advice saying "don't go overboard" really bad or do you just like being dramatic?

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]Stupid ****ing Thing #3: Global warming is an imaginary man/bear/pig monster created by Al Gore to make himself seem important.
SSCyborg

It's half man half bear half pig!

No! It's half man, half bearpig!

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
MrGeezer

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

so alcohol is an illegal drug?

I wasn't aware that addiction had A SINGLE ****ING THING to do with whether or not a substance is illegal.

You DO know what "addiction" means, do you not?

Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed...

only a little when they make fun of Jesus or God. like the one where God was some weird hippo monster thing.Pearl_of_Egypt

would you be referring to this little guy?

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Alexdehman234"]NO because It a tv show and if you are offended you are really just insecure smerlus

That reminds me of another example of something stupid they've tried to say...that we should strive to be especially offensive, ESPECIALLY if it means that someone is gonna get hurt.

and missed point #2. Their point was everything should be ok to be made fun of or nothing will be. The year before that season, the Catholic Church was able to have one of the South Park episodes taken off the air because it was deemed offensive, and then a Scientology one was taken off the air, and then they couldn't post a picture of Muhammed even though they've made the character before in a much more offensive way.

They cited violent retribution as a reason why they SHOULD offend Muslims. As in, if they censor themselves because of recent developments, they're somehow giving in to the enemy.

Of course, it's REAL easy to adhere to such ideals when it is SOMEONE ELSE who is ****ing getting hurt.

well there is supposed to be freedom of expression and freedom of speech in the states and if you're afraid to do/ say something because terrorists are going to kill you is that really freedom?

and I believe those artists that did it before all had contracts put out on them, so yes they would have been threatened also.

Freedom of speech is NOT the issue, and it's (once again) ****ing stupid that the creators tried to make that out to be the issue.

There are no laws prohibiting them from showing Muhammad. There are no laws preventing them from showing ANY holy figure in the worst light imaginable. However, they're getting ****ing paid by Comedy Central, so they follow the rules of Comedy Central, end of story. If that's not satisfactory for them, then they're also free to produce and distribute their show independently.

It's NOT a freaking first amendment issue. It NEVER was. It's simply the writers throwing a ****ing temper tantrum because someone had the nerve to actually tell them "no".

Free speech? They have the freedom to depict Muhammad as a pimp or an idiot if they want to. There is however something called "responsible speech". Comedy Central felt like it would not be responsible speech, they were shelling out the money for the show, and that's that.

so really. is advice saying "don't go overboard" really bad or do you just like being dramatic?

smerlus

I wouldn't exactly say that it's "really bad". I mean, they might have been well-intentioned when they said it, it's just a ****ing stupid thing to say, and shows that they don't know a ****ing thing about addiction.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
smerlus

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

so alcohol is an illegal drug?

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]Stupid ****ing Thing #3: Global warming is an imaginary man/bear/pig monster created by Al Gore to make himself seem important.
AnFangs_Endes

It's half man half bear half pig!

No! It's half man, half bearpig!

NO! It's half bear, half manpig!

THE WORLDS #1 THREAT.

THERE IT IS! WHERES AL GORE WHEN YOU NEED HIM?

[QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"]only a little when they make fun of Jesus or God. like the one where God was some weird hippo monster thing.linkin_guy109

would you be referring to this little guy?

heh, yeah that thing.

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
MrGeezer

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

Have you ever been to the U.K, they drink in moderation there and they don't overdo it. They have a drink every now and then because they know how to control it. The Europeons are much more relaxed and better suited to alcohol than many Americans. Drinking is just a background to a social gathering at the pub, while in the U.S you go to places to get drunk and party.

[QUOTE="smerlus"]

so really. is advice saying "don't go overboard" really bad or do you just like being dramatic?

MrGeezer

I wouldn't exactly say that it's "really bad". I mean, they might have been well-intentioned when they said it, it's just a ****ing stupid thing to say, and shows that they don't know a ****ing thing about addiction.

so it's better to tell people that they have a disease and they can never go near that thing they are addicted to ever again because they have no self control. hmmm that's good advice

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
Film-Guy

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

Have you ever been to the U.K, they drink in moderation there and they don't overdo it. They have a drink every now and then because they know how to control it. The Europeons are much more relaxed and better suited to alcohol than many Americans. Drinking is just a background to a social gathering at the pub, while in the U.S you go to places to get drunk and party.

Stereotype alert!

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
Film-Guy

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

Have you ever been to the U.K, they drink in moderation there and they don't overdo it. They have a drink every now and then because they know how to control it. The Europeons are much more relaxed and better suited to alcohol than many Americans. Drinking is just a background to a social gathering at the pub, while in the U.S you go to places to get drunk and party.

I'm sorry, did you just try to tell me that alcoholism doesn't exist in the U.K.?

Furthermore, did you just try to tell me that Americans DON'T control their alcohol consumption?

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Alexdehman234"]NO because It a tv show and if you are offended you are really just insecure MrGeezer

That reminds me of another example of something stupid they've tried to say...that we should strive to be especially offensive, ESPECIALLY if it means that someone is gonna get hurt.

and missed point #2. Their point was everything should be ok to be made fun of or nothing will be. The year before that season, the Catholic Church was able to have one of the South Park episodes taken off the air because it was deemed offensive, and then a Scientology one was taken off the air, and then they couldn't post a picture of Muhammed even though they've made the character before in a much more offensive way.

They cited violent retribution as a reason why they SHOULD offend Muslims. As in, if they censor themselves because of recent developments, they're somehow giving in to the enemy.

Of course, it's REAL easy to adhere to such ideals when it is SOMEONE ELSE who is ****ing getting hurt.

well there is supposed to be freedom of expression and freedom of speech in the states and if you're afraid to do/ say something because terrorists are going to kill you is that really freedom?

and I believe those artists that did it before all had contracts put out on them, so yes they would have been threatened also.

Freedom of speech is NOT the issue, and it's (once again) ****ing stupid that the creators tried to make that out to be the issue.

There are no laws prohibiting them from showing Muhammad. There are no laws preventing them from showing ANY holy figure in the worst light imaginable. However, they're getting ****ing paid by Comedy Central, so they follow the rules of Comedy Central, end of story. If that's not satisfactory for them, then they're also free to produce and distribute their show independently.

It's NOT a freaking first amendment issue. It NEVER was. It's simply the writers throwing a ****ing temper tantrum because someone had the nerve to actually tell them "no".

Free speech? They have the freedom to depict Muhammad as a pimp or an idiot if they want to. There is however something called "responsible speech". Comedy Central felt like it would not be responsible speech, they were shelling out the money for the show, and that's that.

actualy it has everything to do with freedom of expression. They were able to show Jesus and Bush crapping over the american flag but they couldn't show muhammed handing a hot dog to a character.

and they can't just make a provate south park episode because comedy central owns the rights to South Park.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"]

so really. is advice saying "don't go overboard" really bad or do you just like being dramatic?

smerlus

I wouldn't exactly say that it's "really bad". I mean, they might have been well-intentioned when they said it, it's just a ****ing stupid thing to say, and shows that they don't know a ****ing thing about addiction.

so it's better to tell people that they have a disease and they can never go near that thing they are addicted to ever again because they have no self control. hmmm that's good advice

Yes, when people have a disease, I think it is preferable to inform them that they have a disease.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Alexdehman234"]NO because It a tv show and if you are offended you are really just insecure smerlus

That reminds me of another example of something stupid they've tried to say...that we should strive to be especially offensive, ESPECIALLY if it means that someone is gonna get hurt.

and missed point #2. Their point was everything should be ok to be made fun of or nothing will be. The year before that season, the Catholic Church was able to have one of the South Park episodes taken off the air because it was deemed offensive, and then a Scientology one was taken off the air, and then they couldn't post a picture of Muhammed even though they've made the character before in a much more offensive way.

They cited violent retribution as a reason why they SHOULD offend Muslims. As in, if they censor themselves because of recent developments, they're somehow giving in to the enemy.

Of course, it's REAL easy to adhere to such ideals when it is SOMEONE ELSE who is ****ing getting hurt.

well there is supposed to be freedom of expression and freedom of speech in the states and if you're afraid to do/ say something because terrorists are going to kill you is that really freedom?

and I believe those artists that did it before all had contracts put out on them, so yes they would have been threatened also.

Freedom of speech is NOT the issue, and it's (once again) ****ing stupid that the creators tried to make that out to be the issue.

There are no laws prohibiting them from showing Muhammad. There are no laws preventing them from showing ANY holy figure in the worst light imaginable. However, they're getting ****ing paid by Comedy Central, so they follow the rules of Comedy Central, end of story. If that's not satisfactory for them, then they're also free to produce and distribute their show independently.

It's NOT a freaking first amendment issue. It NEVER was. It's simply the writers throwing a ****ing temper tantrum because someone had the nerve to actually tell them "no".

Free speech? They have the freedom to depict Muhammad as a pimp or an idiot if they want to. There is however something called "responsible speech". Comedy Central felt like it would not be responsible speech, they were shelling out the money for the show, and that's that.

actualy it has everything to do with freedom of expression. They were able to show Jesus and Bush crapping over the american flag but they couldn't show muhammed handing a hot dog to a character.

and they can't just make a provate south park episode because comedy central owns the rights to South Park.

Well that's what they ****ing get for selling the rights to their show, isn't it?

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"]

so really. is advice saying "don't go overboard" really bad or do you just like being dramatic?

MrGeezer

I wouldn't exactly say that it's "really bad". I mean, they might have been well-intentioned when they said it, it's just a ****ing stupid thing to say, and shows that they don't know a ****ing thing about addiction.

so it's better to tell people that they have a disease and they can never go near that thing they are addicted to ever again because they have no self control. hmmm that's good advice

Yes, when people have a disease, I think it is preferable to inform them that they have a disease.

so there are people addicted to food and people addicted to work. should people never eat again or work again because they have a disease.. or is it better advice to just do these things in moderation?

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Alexdehman234"]NO because It a tv show and if you are offended you are really just insecure MrGeezer

That reminds me of another example of something stupid they've tried to say...that we should strive to be especially offensive, ESPECIALLY if it means that someone is gonna get hurt.

and missed point #2. Their point was everything should be ok to be made fun of or nothing will be. The year before that season, the Catholic Church was able to have one of the South Park episodes taken off the air because it was deemed offensive, and then a Scientology one was taken off the air, and then they couldn't post a picture of Muhammed even though they've made the character before in a much more offensive way.

They cited violent retribution as a reason why they SHOULD offend Muslims. As in, if they censor themselves because of recent developments, they're somehow giving in to the enemy.

Of course, it's REAL easy to adhere to such ideals when it is SOMEONE ELSE who is ****ing getting hurt.

well there is supposed to be freedom of expression and freedom of speech in the states and if you're afraid to do/ say something because terrorists are going to kill you is that really freedom?

and I believe those artists that did it before all had contracts put out on them, so yes they would have been threatened also.

Freedom of speech is NOT the issue, and it's (once again) ****ing stupid that the creators tried to make that out to be the issue.

There are no laws prohibiting them from showing Muhammad. There are no laws preventing them from showing ANY holy figure in the worst light imaginable. However, they're getting ****ing paid by Comedy Central, so they follow the rules of Comedy Central, end of story. If that's not satisfactory for them, then they're also free to produce and distribute their show independently.

It's NOT a freaking first amendment issue. It NEVER was. It's simply the writers throwing a ****ing temper tantrum because someone had the nerve to actually tell them "no".

Free speech? They have the freedom to depict Muhammad as a pimp or an idiot if they want to. There is however something called "responsible speech". Comedy Central felt like it would not be responsible speech, they were shelling out the money for the show, and that's that.

actualy it has everything to do with freedom of expression. They were able to show Jesus and Bush crapping over the american flag but they couldn't show muhammed handing a hot dog to a character.

and they can't just make a provate south park episode because comedy central owns the rights to South Park.

Well that's what they ****ing get for selling the rights to their show, isn't it?

yes and they have the right to get pissed off if they are censored especially for something they did before.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"]

so really. is advice saying "don't go overboard" really bad or do you just like being dramatic?

smerlus

I wouldn't exactly say that it's "really bad". I mean, they might have been well-intentioned when they said it, it's just a ****ing stupid thing to say, and shows that they don't know a ****ing thing about addiction.

so it's better to tell people that they have a disease and they can never go near that thing they are addicted to ever again because they have no self control. hmmm that's good advice

Yes, when people have a disease, I think it is preferable to inform them that they have a disease.

so there are people addicted to food and people addicted to work. should people never eat again or work again because they have a disease.. or is it better advice to just do these things in moderation?

Well, if people had to consume alcohol in order to survive, I might find your post worthy of a reply.

But they don't, so I'm not even going to dignify that with a reply.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
gobo212

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

Have you ever been to the U.K, they drink in moderation there and they don't overdo it. They have a drink every now and then because they know how to control it. The Europeons are much more relaxed and better suited to alcohol than many Americans. Drinking is just a background to a social gathering at the pub, while in the U.S you go to places to get drunk and party.

Stereotype alert!

I'm from england, and I am saying that its a good thing how the Europeons view alcohol. I didnt say all Americans are like that, it just seems to be a popular thing to go somewhere with the soul intention of getting drunk. The popularity of a movie like suoerbad where drinking is so important to a girls party they need somebody else to get it or the party is ruined. I liked superbad, but I can still notice a patern when I see it.

[QUOTE="gobo212"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
Film-Guy

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

Have you ever been to the U.K, they drink in moderation there and they don't overdo it. They have a drink every now and then because they know how to control it. The Europeons are much more relaxed and better suited to alcohol than many Americans. Drinking is just a background to a social gathering at the pub, while in the U.S you go to places to get drunk and party.

Stereotype alert!

I'm from england, and I am saying that its a good thing how the Europeons view alcohol. I didnt say all Americans are like that, it just seems to be a popular thing to go somewhere with the soul intention of getting drunk. The popularity of a movie like suoerbad where drinking is so important to a girls party they need somebody else to get it or the party is ruined. I liked superbad, but I can still notice a patern when I see it.

It is popular to drink to get drunk... With teenagers. You are really basing your knowledge of American drinking habits off of teen comedies?

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Alexdehman234"]NO because It a tv show and if you are offended you are really just insecure smerlus

That reminds me of another example of something stupid they've tried to say...that we should strive to be especially offensive, ESPECIALLY if it means that someone is gonna get hurt.

and missed point #2. Their point was everything should be ok to be made fun of or nothing will be. The year before that season, the Catholic Church was able to have one of the South Park episodes taken off the air because it was deemed offensive, and then a Scientology one was taken off the air, and then they couldn't post a picture of Muhammed even though they've made the character before in a much more offensive way.

They cited violent retribution as a reason why they SHOULD offend Muslims. As in, if they censor themselves because of recent developments, they're somehow giving in to the enemy.

Of course, it's REAL easy to adhere to such ideals when it is SOMEONE ELSE who is ****ing getting hurt.

well there is supposed to be freedom of expression and freedom of speech in the states and if you're afraid to do/ say something because terrorists are going to kill you is that really freedom?

and I believe those artists that did it before all had contracts put out on them, so yes they would have been threatened also.

Freedom of speech is NOT the issue, and it's (once again) ****ing stupid that the creators tried to make that out to be the issue.

There are no laws prohibiting them from showing Muhammad. There are no laws preventing them from showing ANY holy figure in the worst light imaginable. However, they're getting ****ing paid by Comedy Central, so they follow the rules of Comedy Central, end of story. If that's not satisfactory for them, then they're also free to produce and distribute their show independently.

It's NOT a freaking first amendment issue. It NEVER was. It's simply the writers throwing a ****ing temper tantrum because someone had the nerve to actually tell them "no".

Free speech? They have the freedom to depict Muhammad as a pimp or an idiot if they want to. There is however something called "responsible speech". Comedy Central felt like it would not be responsible speech, they were shelling out the money for the show, and that's that.

actualy it has everything to do with freedom of expression. They were able to show Jesus and Bush crapping over the american flag but they couldn't show muhammed handing a hot dog to a character.

and they can't just make a provate south park episode because comedy central owns the rights to South Park.

Well that's what they ****ing get for selling the rights to their show, isn't it?

yes and they have the right to get pissed off if they are censored especially for something they did before.

They're getting pissed off at the wrong people. They should be pissed off at themselves for selling their right to use the property in a manner that they deem acceptable.

But it ceased to be their property the second that they sold it, and that's one of the consequences of selling out. I don't know if the rights will ever go back to Parker and Stone, but Comedy Central didn't do a damn thing wrong.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
MrGeezer

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

Have you ever been to the U.K, they drink in moderation there and they don't overdo it. They have a drink every now and then because they know how to control it. The Europeons are much more relaxed and better suited to alcohol than many Americans. Drinking is just a background to a social gathering at the pub, while in the U.S you go to places to get drunk and party.

I'm sorry, did you just try to tell me that alcoholism doesn't exist in the U.K.?

Furthermore, did you just try to tell me that Americans DON'T control their alcohol consumption?

God damnit no, where did I say alcoholism doesnt exist in the U.K? I'm saying overall Europeons are more relaxed when it comes to drinking in general. I'm sure their is alcoholism in the U.K, but I dont think its alcoholism until it freaking runs their life, a drink wont kill you. I also never said Americans don't control their alcohol consumption, I was saying the U.S has a different mentality when it comes to drinking. I'm from europe and have lived in America for most of my life so these are just my observations.

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so really. is advice saying "don't go overboard" really bad or do you just like being dramatic?

MrGeezer

I wouldn't exactly say that it's "really bad". I mean, they might have been well-intentioned when they said it, it's just a ****ing stupid thing to say, and shows that they don't know a ****ing thing about addiction.

so it's better to tell people that they have a disease and they can never go near that thing they are addicted to ever again because they have no self control. hmmm that's good advice

Yes, when people have a disease, I think it is preferable to inform them that they have a disease.

so there are people addicted to food and people addicted to work. should people never eat again or work again because they have a disease.. or is it better advice to just do these things in moderation?

Well, if people had to consume alcohol in order to survive, I might find your post worthy of a reply.

But they don't, so I'm not even going to dignify that with a reply.

oh wait so there so addictions have different rules... so someone addicted to food has a much easier time saying no and calling it quits than someone addicted to alcohol... I see now.

so i guess telling people they have a disease and not going near something is bad advice to someone that is addicted and much better advice would be to take it easy.

thanks for seeing things my way :D

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
gobo212

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

Have you ever been to the U.K, they drink in moderation there and they don't overdo it. They have a drink every now and then because they know how to control it. The Europeons are much more relaxed and better suited to alcohol than many Americans. Drinking is just a background to a social gathering at the pub, while in the U.S you go to places to get drunk and party.

Stereotype alert!

I'm from england, and I am saying that its a good thing how the Europeons view alcohol. I didnt say all Americans are like that, it just seems to be a popular thing to go somewhere with the soul intention of getting drunk. The popularity of a movie like suoerbad where drinking is so important to a girls party they need somebody else to get it or the party is ruined. I liked superbad, but I can still notice a patern when I see it.

It is popular to drink to get drunk... With teenagers. You are really basing your knowledge of American drinking habits off of teen comedies?

Furthermore, that's not even alcoholism. To equate alcoholism with a bunch of kids wanting to get drunk on Friday night is almost as stupid as some of the crap I've seen on South Park.

I'm sorry, but wtf at people arguing that alcoholics should just drink in moderation. that makes no sense, alcoholics are addicts, they have no control. I knew someone who lost a wife, a home, his job and has been close to death due to alcoholism. there is no way for them to help themselves other than to quit alcohol altogether. even if they have just one drink years later, they can turn back to alcoholics, it's a serious condition. Pearl_of_Egypt

When it gets to that point I agree, but it you drink alcohol casually, like with your friends at the pub I see no problem. its when you think you need it or rely on it to run your life is when problems happen.

I'm sure their is alcoholism in the U.K, but I dont think its alcoholism until it freaking runs their life, a drink wont kill you.

Film-Guy

Congratulations, you don't understand alcoholism.

[QUOTE="gobo212"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="gobo212"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
MrGeezer

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

Have you ever been to the U.K, they drink in moderation there and they don't overdo it. They have a drink every now and then because they know how to control it. The Europeons are much more relaxed and better suited to alcohol than many Americans. Drinking is just a background to a social gathering at the pub, while in the U.S you go to places to get drunk and party.

Stereotype alert!

I'm from england, and I am saying that its a good thing how the Europeons view alcohol. I didnt say all Americans are like that, it just seems to be a popular thing to go somewhere with the soul intention of getting drunk. The popularity of a movie like suoerbad where drinking is so important to a girls party they need somebody else to get it or the party is ruined. I liked superbad, but I can still notice a patern when I see it.

It is popular to drink to get drunk... With teenagers. You are really basing your knowledge of American drinking habits off of teen comedies?

Furthermore, that's not even alcoholism. To equate alcoholism with a bunch of kids wanting to get drunk on Friday night is almost as stupid as some of the crap I've seen on South Park.

I used superbad as an example of a mentality a lot of people have, I'm sure there are many people elsewhere that have the same mentality. I never said i was basing my opinion of alcoholism on superbad and teens getting drunk. I've known a few alcoholics and casual drinkers and trust me, there is a big difference.

[QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"]I'm sorry, but wtf at people arguing that alcoholics should just drink in moderation. that makes no sense, alcoholics are addicts, they have no control. I knew someone who lost a wife, a home, his job and has been close to death due to alcoholism. there is no way for them to help themselves other than to quit alcohol altogether. even if they have just one drink years later, they can turn back to alcoholics, it's a serious condition. Film-Guy

When it gets to that point I agree, but it you drink alcohol casually, like with your friends at the pub I see no problem. its when you think you need it or rely on it to run your life is when problems happen.

well when you drink alcohol casually, that's not considered alcoholism. yes people in general should drink in moderation, but alcoholics have a condition where they are totally dependent on alcohol and can seriously harm themselves and others. so in their case, they can only improve by ceasing the consumption of alcohol altogether. just like a drug addict.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

I'm sure their is alcoholism in the U.K, but I dont think its alcoholism until it freaking runs their life, a drink wont kill you.

MrGeezer

Congratulations, you don't understand alcoholism.

So If I drink a pint of guiness at a pub that makes me an alcoholic? There is a huge difference between casual drinking and alcoholism. When its a real problem and you think you need it and it runs your life then its alcoholism, if you have the occasional drink casually then its not.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"]I'm sorry, but wtf at people arguing that alcoholics should just drink in moderation. that makes no sense, alcoholics are addicts, they have no control. I knew someone who lost a wife, a home, his job and has been close to death due to alcoholism. there is no way for them to help themselves other than to quit alcohol altogether. even if they have just one drink years later, they can turn back to alcoholics, it's a serious condition. Pearl_of_Egypt

When it gets to that point I agree, but it you drink alcohol casually, like with your friends at the pub I see no problem. its when you think you need it or rely on it to run your life is when problems happen.

well when you drink alcohol casually, that's not considered alcoholism. yes people in general should drink in moderation, but alcoholics have a condition where they are totally dependent on alcohol and can seriously harm themselves and others. so in their case, they can only improve by ceasing the consumption of alcohol altogether. just like a drug addict.

i totally agree with you, i was talking about before alcoholism. If somebody is not an alcoholic a few drinks casually wont suddenly make them one. When you are an alcoholic then its best to just stop drinking, I see what you are saying.

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
Film-Guy

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

Have you ever been to the U.K, they drink in moderation there and they don't overdo it. They have a drink every now and then because they know how to control it. The Europeons are much more relaxed and better suited to alcohol than many Americans. Drinking is just a background to a social gathering at the pub, while in the U.S you go to places to get drunk and party.

Stereotype alert!

I'm from england, and I am saying that its a good thing how the Europeons view alcohol. I didnt say all Americans are like that, it just seems to be a popular thing to go somewhere with the soul intention of getting drunk. The popularity of a movie like suoerbad where drinking is so important to a girls party they need somebody else to get it or the party is ruined. I liked superbad, but I can still notice a patern when I see it.

It is popular to drink to get drunk... With teenagers. You are really basing your knowledge of American drinking habits off of teen comedies?

Furthermore, that's not even alcoholism. To equate alcoholism with a bunch of kids wanting to get drunk on Friday night is almost as stupid as some of the crap I've seen on South Park.

I used superbad as an example of a mentality a lot of people have, I'm sure there are many people elsewhere that have the same mentality. I never said i was basing my opinion of alcoholism on superbad and teens getting drunk. I've known a few alcoholics and casual drinkers and trust me, there is a big difference.

OK but in your first post you said that people in the UK know how to drink casually while Americans just want to get wasted and party.

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
gobo212

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

Have you ever been to the U.K, they drink in moderation there and they don't overdo it. They have a drink every now and then because they know how to control it. The Europeons are much more relaxed and better suited to alcohol than many Americans. Drinking is just a background to a social gathering at the pub, while in the U.S you go to places to get drunk and party.

Stereotype alert!

I'm from england, and I am saying that its a good thing how the Europeons view alcohol. I didnt say all Americans are like that, it just seems to be a popular thing to go somewhere with the soul intention of getting drunk. The popularity of a movie like suoerbad where drinking is so important to a girls party they need somebody else to get it or the party is ruined. I liked superbad, but I can still notice a patern when I see it.

It is popular to drink to get drunk... With teenagers. You are really basing your knowledge of American drinking habits off of teen comedies?

Furthermore, that's not even alcoholism. To equate alcoholism with a bunch of kids wanting to get drunk on Friday night is almost as stupid as some of the crap I've seen on South Park.

I used superbad as an example of a mentality a lot of people have, I'm sure there are many people elsewhere that have the same mentality. I never said i was basing my opinion of alcoholism on superbad and teens getting drunk. I've known a few alcoholics and casual drinkers and trust me, there is a big difference.

OK but in your first post you said that people in the UK know how to drink casually while Americans just want to get wasted and party.

Sorry I didnt mean to generalize like that. I don't know if its just me, but the drinking mentality seems to be very different in Europe when compared to the U.S.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

I'm sure their is alcoholism in the U.K, but I dont think its alcoholism until it freaking runs their life, a drink wont kill you.

Film-Guy

Congratulations, you don't understand alcoholism.

So If I drink a pint of guiness at a pub that makes me an alcoholic? There is a huge difference between casual drinking and alcoholism. When its a real problem and you think you need it and it runs your life then its alcoholism, if you have the occasional drink casually then its not.

Have you ever heard the term "functional alcoholic"?

Ever known someone who has to keep a bottle of liquor in their car so that they can drink during their lunch break, otherwise they start developing withdrawal symptons that HURT their ability to hold a job?

Alcoholism is NOT dependent on whether or not you have a good life, whether or not you have liver disease, or whether or not you're living in the gutters begging for change in order to buy booze. Alcoholism is ADDICTION to alcohol. A NEED for alcohol. Many alcoholics have good jobs and have good relationships, but are only able to do so BECAUSE they are constantly drinking. That is a fairly common trait of many addictions, the need to do it just to function normally. This is especially apparent with alcohol, given that alcohol is one of the few drugs where people can become so addicted that QUITTING can kill them. People can become so dependent on alcohol that they ****ING DIE if they stop. Alcoholism is a horrible affliction, and it's just plain stupid and irresponsible to suggest that people suffering from it are being irresponsible by abstaining from it completely.

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
Film-Guy

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

Have you ever been to the U.K, they drink in moderation there and they don't overdo it. They have a drink every now and then because they know how to control it. The Europeons are much more relaxed and better suited to alcohol than many Americans. Drinking is just a background to a social gathering at the pub, while in the U.S you go to places to get drunk and party.

Stereotype alert!

I'm from england, and I am saying that its a good thing how the Europeons view alcohol. I didnt say all Americans are like that, it just seems to be a popular thing to go somewhere with the soul intention of getting drunk. The popularity of a movie like suoerbad where drinking is so important to a girls party they need somebody else to get it or the party is ruined. I liked superbad, but I can still notice a patern when I see it.

It is popular to drink to get drunk... With teenagers. You are really basing your knowledge of American drinking habits off of teen comedies?

Furthermore, that's not even alcoholism. To equate alcoholism with a bunch of kids wanting to get drunk on Friday night is almost as stupid as some of the crap I've seen on South Park.

I used superbad as an example of a mentality a lot of people have, I'm sure there are many people elsewhere that have the same mentality. I never said i was basing my opinion of alcoholism on superbad and teens getting drunk. I've known a few alcoholics and casual drinkers and trust me, there is a big difference.

OK but in your first post you said that people in the UK know how to drink casually while Americans just want to get wasted and party.

Sorry I didnt mean to generalize like that. I don't know if its just me, but the drinking mentality seems to be very different in Europe when compared to the U.S.

That is a much better way to present your argument. I actually agree with you to some extent. The French come to mind first.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

I'm sure their is alcoholism in the U.K, but I dont think its alcoholism until it freaking runs their life, a drink wont kill you.

MrGeezer

Congratulations, you don't understand alcoholism.

So If I drink a pint of guiness at a pub that makes me an alcoholic? There is a huge difference between casual drinking and alcoholism. When its a real problem and you think you need it and it runs your life then its alcoholism, if you have the occasional drink casually then its not.

Have you ever heard the term "functional alcoholic"?

Ever known someone who has to keep a bottle of liquor in their car so that they can drink during their lunch break, otherwise they start developing withdrawal symptons that HURT their ability to hold a job?

Alcoholism is NOT dependent on whether or not you have a good life, whether or not you have liver disease, or whether or not you're living in the gutters begging for change in order to buy booze. Alcoholism is ADDICTION to alcohol. A NEED for alcohol. Many alcoholics have good jobs and have good relationships, but are only able to do so BECAUSE they are constantly drinking. That is a fairly common trait of many addictions, the need to do it just to function normally. This is especially apparent with alcohol, given that alcohol is one of the few drugs where people can become so addicted that QUITTING can kill them. People can become so dependent on alcohol that they ****ING DIE if they stop. Alcoholism is a horrible affliction, and it's just plain stupid and irresponsible to suggest that people suffering from it are being irresponsible by abstaining from it completely.

You really dont seem to be following what I am saying here at all... I have known alcoholics before, I know the difference between alcoholic and somebody who has a drink every once in a while. You seem to think that anybody who drinks is an alcoholic in some way, that is simply not true. I apoligize if I am reading you wrong, but it seems every time I say casual drinker you contradict it with some other kind of alcoholism.

Yes, when people have a disease, I think it is preferable to inform them that they have a disease.

MrGeezer

Alcoholism isn't a disease, cancer is. It's almost insulting to believe that an addiction, one that can be controlled, is a disease. Is being addicted to Cigarettes a disease? What about gambling? Give me a break, it's an addiction, a habit, not a frickin disease.

And yes, I have had several alcoholics in my family including someone very close to me.

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
gobo212

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

Have you ever been to the U.K, they drink in moderation there and they don't overdo it. They have a drink every now and then because they know how to control it. The Europeons are much more relaxed and better suited to alcohol than many Americans. Drinking is just a background to a social gathering at the pub, while in the U.S you go to places to get drunk and party.

Stereotype alert!

I'm from england, and I am saying that its a good thing how the Europeons view alcohol. I didnt say all Americans are like that, it just seems to be a popular thing to go somewhere with the soul intention of getting drunk. The popularity of a movie like suoerbad where drinking is so important to a girls party they need somebody else to get it or the party is ruined. I liked superbad, but I can still notice a patern when I see it.

It is popular to drink to get drunk... With teenagers. You are really basing your knowledge of American drinking habits off of teen comedies?

Furthermore, that's not even alcoholism. To equate alcoholism with a bunch of kids wanting to get drunk on Friday night is almost as stupid as some of the crap I've seen on South Park.

I used superbad as an example of a mentality a lot of people have, I'm sure there are many people elsewhere that have the same mentality. I never said i was basing my opinion of alcoholism on superbad and teens getting drunk. I've known a few alcoholics and casual drinkers and trust me, there is a big difference.

OK but in your first post you said that people in the UK know how to drink casually while Americans just want to get wasted and party.

Sorry I didnt mean to generalize like that. I don't know if its just me, but the drinking mentality seems to be very different in Europe when compared to the U.S.

That is a much better way to present your argument. I actually agree with you to some extent. The French come to mind first.

I know this probably sounds really stupid, but could quality be a factor? Ive tried american beers and while some are pretty good, europeon beers are so much better in comparision. I'm sorry if this sounds irrevelant to the topic, I was just thinking about it.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Yes, when people have a disease, I think it is preferable to inform them that they have a disease.

Donkey_Puncher

Alcoholism isn't a disease, cancer is. It's almost insulting to believe that an addiction, one that can be controlled, is a disease. Is being addicted to Cigarettes a disease? What about gambling? Give me a break, it's an addiction, a habit, not a frickin disease.

And yes, I have had several alcoholics in my family including someone very close to me.

actually the medical field generally accepts that alcoholism is a disease...

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]It's never offended me, but they've voiced some pretty ****ing stupid opinions before.
Film-Guy

Like what?

For example, I recall one episode where the "big message" was that alcoholics shouldn't abstain from drinking.

no the message was that it's ok to have a few drinks but don't go overboard. Don't be a lush and don't run away from all alcohol.

Yeah, that's what I just said.

They obviously don't know a ****ing thing about drug addiction.

Yeah, when I have a son, I'm gonna teach him that it's okay to smoke crack sometimes, just as long as he doesn't go overboard. :roll:

It's a stupid ****ing message, plain and simple, and they ought to be ashamed of themselves for ever saying something so completely moronic.

Have you ever been to the U.K, they drink in moderation there and they don't overdo it. They have a drink every now and then because they know how to control it. The Europeons are much more relaxed and better suited to alcohol than many Americans. Drinking is just a background to a social gathering at the pub, while in the U.S you go to places to get drunk and party.

Stereotype alert!

I'm from england, and I am saying that its a good thing how the Europeons view alcohol. I didnt say all Americans are like that, it just seems to be a popular thing to go somewhere with the soul intention of getting drunk. The popularity of a movie like suoerbad where drinking is so important to a girls party they need somebody else to get it or the party is ruined. I liked superbad, but I can still notice a patern when I see it.

It is popular to drink to get drunk... With teenagers. You are really basing your knowledge of American drinking habits off of teen comedies?

Furthermore, that's not even alcoholism. To equate alcoholism with a bunch of kids wanting to get drunk on Friday night is almost as stupid as some of the crap I've seen on South Park.

I used superbad as an example of a mentality a lot of people have, I'm sure there are many people elsewhere that have the same mentality. I never said i was basing my opinion of alcoholism on superbad and teens getting drunk. I've known a few alcoholics and casual drinkers and trust me, there is a big difference.

OK but in your first post you said that people in the UK know how to drink casually while Americans just want to get wasted and party.

Sorry I didnt mean to generalize like that. I don't know if its just me, but the drinking mentality seems to be very different in Europe when compared to the U.S.

That is a much better way to present your argument. I actually agree with you to some extent. The French come to mind first.

I know this probably sounds really stupid, but could quality be a factor? Ive tried american beers and while some are pretty good, europeon beers are so much better in comparision. I'm sorry if this sounds irrevelant to the topic, I was just thinking about it.

Mainstream American brews are HORRIBLE. We are in the midst of a micro brew revolution and in the past 10 years some really excellent beers have been produced but many of them are only available in the area around the brewery. I'm lucky enough to live in Oregon where there are a huge number of micro breweries and we get imports from excellent breweries in California and Colorado.

England's most popular beer is Guinness (I think so anyway) which is pretty good.