Have you ever considered going vegan/vegetarian?

i have never eaten fomeat though i do eat tofu sometimes, the only vegetarian qualities i might have is the occasional eating a head of cabbage like an apple. i do eat a lot of fruits and veggies and even grow some of my own even still fomeat just seems so wrong to me. surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="topgunmv"] Plants are living things too, just because you relate to them less than animals doesn't change that.Witchsight

What makes a pig better than broccoli? Just because the broccoli can't walk around doesn't make it any less alive.

I didn't choose to be a vegetarian - it isn't some ideal I'm trying to live by or some morality - it's the natural response

Isn't it funny how most meat eaters wouldn't be able to kill their own food personally? - even that Jamie Oliver - when he killed that lamb with the knife he burst into tears & looked away whilst cutting it's neck

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]i have never eaten fomeat though i do eat tofu sometimes, the only vegetarian qualities i might have is the occasional eating a head of cabbage like an apple. i do eat a lot of fruits and veggies and even grow some of my own even still fomeat just seems so wrong to me. foxhound_fox

I really thought about it, My friend went Vegan during our season and he said you have a lot of energy. But i can't seem to stick thru it

[QUOTE="Witchsight"][QUOTE="topgunmv"] Plants are living things too, just because you relate to them less than animals doesn't change that.topgunmv

What makes a pig better than broccoli? Just because the broccoli can't walk around doesn't make it any less alive.

Why would I want to do that?

Fish and meat are scrumptious.

Isn't it funny how most meat eaters wouldn't be able to kill their own food personally? - even that Jamie Oliver - when he killed that lamb with the knife he burst into tears & looked away whilst cutting it's necksoren008

Why would I want to do that?

Fish and meat are scrumptious.

howlrunner13

You dare utter such blasphemy :o...?

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Witchsight"] Do you really equate killing a pig to harvesting broccoli?Witchsight

What makes a pig better than broccoli? Just because the broccoli can't walk around doesn't make it any less alive.

Except broccoli is alive. It has cells. You eat it, and through it's death and consumption, you get energy. The supposition you're making is that intelligence makes one life form inherently better than another. Killing is killing, whether it walks on 4 legs and oinks or is powerless to stop you. Until humans can feed themselves by suntanning, we're all guilty.

The supposition you're making is that intelligence makes one life form inherently better than another.topgunmv

I was actually a vegetarian for nearly 2 years before going back. :O

[QUOTE="Witchsight"][QUOTE="topgunmv"]

What makes a pig better than broccoli? Just because the broccoli can't walk around doesn't make it any less alive.

topgunmv

Except broccoli is alive. It has cells. You eat it, and through it's death and consumption, you get energy. The supposition you're making is that intelligence makes one life form inherently better than another. Killing is killing, whether it walks on 4 legs and oinks or is powerless to stop you. Until humans can feed themselves by suntanning, we're all guilty.

I didn't choose to be a vegetarian - it isn't some ideal I'm trying to live by or some morality - it's the natural response

Isn't it funny how most meat eaters wouldn't be able to kill their own food personally? - even that Jamie Oliver - when he killed that lamb with the knife he burst into tears & looked away whilst cutting it's neck

soren008

[QUOTE="soren008"]

I didn't choose to be a vegetarian - it isn't some ideal I'm trying to live by or some morality - it's the natural response

Isn't it funny how most meat eaters wouldn't be able to kill their own food personally? - even that Jamie Oliver - when he killed that lamb with the knife he burst into tears & looked away whilst cutting it's neck

mtmatt

[QUOTE="topgunmv"] The supposition you're making is that intelligence makes one life form inherently better than another.Witchsight

And what's the reasoning behind that?

Nope.

[QUOTE="soren008"]

I didn't choose to be a vegetarian - it isn't some ideal I'm trying to live by or some morality - it's the natural response

Isn't it funny how most meat eaters wouldn't be able to kill their own food personally? - even that Jamie Oliver - when he killed that lamb with the knife he burst into tears & looked away whilst cutting it's neck

mtmatt

Well I don't know .. meat to most of us is just the flesh that's packaged in the supermarkets with catchy names

The other animals are just ideas in our heads - we don't recognize they breathe the same air as us - we think we are better than the other animals

It is not neccessary - leave them alone man :(

I'm not lying when I say that I find people who feel remorse for eating meat ridiculous... It's dead, what's the problem? You're not personally killing it and the only thing you're doing by not eating it is putting it to waste. The world has enough meat-eaters, meat will never be made obsolete. Just enjoy it, a good steak is one of the great pleasures of life, and I honestly don't see what's so wrong about it, animals are killed everyday by other animals.

[QUOTE="mtmatt"][QUOTE="soren008"]

I didn't choose to be a vegetarian - it isn't some ideal I'm trying to live by or some morality - it's the natural response

Isn't it funny how most meat eaters wouldn't be able to kill their own food personally? - even that Jamie Oliver - when he killed that lamb with the knife he burst into tears & looked away whilst cutting it's neck

soren008

Well I don't know .. meat to most of us is just the flesh that's packaged in the supermarkets with catchy names

The other animals are just ideas in our heads - we don't recognize they breathe the same air as us - we think we are better than the other animals

It is not neccessary - leave them alone man :(

I for one would have no trouble killing my own food..

[QUOTE="mtmatt"][QUOTE="soren008"]

I didn't choose to be a vegetarian - it isn't some ideal I'm trying to live by or some morality - it's the natural response

Isn't it funny how most meat eaters wouldn't be able to kill their own food personally? - even that Jamie Oliver - when he killed that lamb with the knife he burst into tears & looked away whilst cutting it's neck

soren008

Well I don't know .. meat to most of us is just the flesh that's packaged in the supermarkets with catchy names

The other animals are just ideas in our heads - we don't recognize they breathe the same air as us - we think we are better than the other animals

It is not neccessary - leave them alone man :(

It's not like they're enjoying their life big time standing there all day doing nothing...

[QUOTE="mtmatt"][QUOTE="soren008"]

I didn't choose to be a vegetarian - it isn't some ideal I'm trying to live by or some morality - it's the natural response

Isn't it funny how most meat eaters wouldn't be able to kill their own food personally? - even that Jamie Oliver - when he killed that lamb with the knife he burst into tears & looked away whilst cutting it's neck

soren008

Well I don't know .. meat to most of us is just the flesh that's packaged in the supermarkets with catchy names

The other animals are just ideas in our heads - we don't recognize they breathe the same air as us - we think we are better than the other animals

It is not neccessary - leave them alone man :(

[QUOTE="Witchsight"][QUOTE="topgunmv"] The supposition you're making is that intelligence makes one life form inherently better than another.topgunmv

And what's the reasoning behind that?

[QUOTE="mtmatt"][QUOTE="soren008"]

I didn't choose to be a vegetarian - it isn't some ideal I'm trying to live by or some morality - it's the natural response

Isn't it funny how most meat eaters wouldn't be able to kill their own food personally? - even that Jamie Oliver - when he killed that lamb with the knife he burst into tears & looked away whilst cutting it's neck

Well I don't know .. meat to most of us is just the flesh that's packaged in the supermarkets with catchy names

The other animals are just ideas in our heads - we don't recognize they breathe the same air as us - we think we are better than the other animals

It is not neccessary - leave them alone man :(

[QUOTE="mtmatt"][QUOTE="soren008"]

I didn't choose to be a vegetarian - it isn't some ideal I'm trying to live by or some morality - it's the natural response

Isn't it funny how most meat eaters wouldn't be able to kill their own food personally? - even that Jamie Oliver - when he killed that lamb with the knife he burst into tears & looked away whilst cutting it's neck

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="mtmatt"]You're looking at it wrong. These meat eaters that you say couldn't kill their own food, well thats because they don't have to. If it was a choice between starving to death and killing an animal I for one would have no problem doing it. mtmatt

And you didn't save any for me!?!? :cry:

I would like to see a television reality series that places a bunch of vegans in the forest and tells them to survive on what they can find. Without energy from animal meat, they wouldn't last very long (considering carbs and lentils aren't available in the forest).

foxhound_fox

I was a vegetarian for at least 8 years. My dad was a vegetarian and cooked most of the time. So it was easy to not eat meat, if one wanted. Then I went on a trip to Europe. Once I reached Spain, I had to try the food. I was living with a woman who could cook. I haven't tried going back to vegetarianism since then.

I for one would have no trouble killing my own food..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I dunno manyboys say that kind of stuff- I don't believe you - but I believe you believe you :P

No, humans were meant to eat meat, and it's only because of the vast availability of food and supplements now that being a vegan/vegetarian is even an option.

topgunmv

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Witchsight"] That sums things up nicely.Witchsight

And what's the reasoning behind that?

I would think killing an entire cow would be more like killing an entire tree. And in such an example, I would actually consider a grown tree to be of more worth than a grown cow, considering how much good it does in terms of providing oxygen, a preventative measure against erosion via it's root system, and shelter to other animals. But I too digress.

To get more to the point, both agriculture and livestock are destructive to the environment.

[QUOTE="Witchsight"][QUOTE="topgunmv"] Plants are living things too, just because you relate to them less than animals doesn't change that.topgunmv

What makes a pig better than broccoli? Just because the broccoli can't walk around doesn't make it any less alive.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I for one would have no trouble killing my own food..

soren008

I dunno manyboys say that kind of stuff- I don't believe you - but I believe you believe you :P

Perhaps if you knew me you would believe me...i have no reason to hide behind a facade on an internet forum..

So that they can what? Live life to the fullest and appreciate every moment of it? No. And they'll probably end up killing other animals before getting killed by one.Solid_Snake325

That was hilarious - you mean Pigs-Cows & Sheep - yep there a trouble some bunch those guys probably end up killing a bunch of endangered species just for kicks

[QUOTE="Witchsight"][QUOTE="topgunmv"]

And what's the reasoning behind that?

topgunmv

I would think killing an entire cow would be more like killing an entire tree. And in such an example, I would actually consider a grown tree to be of more worth than a grown cow, considering how much good it does in terms of providing oxygen, a preventative measure against erosion via it's root system, and shelter to other animals. But I too digress.

To get more to the point, both agriculture and livestock are destructive to the environment.

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"] So that they can what? Live life to the fullest and appreciate every moment of it? No. And they'll probably end up killing other animals before getting killed by one.soren008

That was hilarious - you mean Pigs-Cows & Sheep - yep there a trouble some bunch those guys probably end up killing a bunch of endangered species just for kicks

I've thought about it. I don't eat beef or pork but I do prefer to keep chicken and fish in my diet.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Witchsight"] Necessity, or the lack thereof. I dont expect everone to think that pulling a leak off a tree is the same as dropping the hammer on a cow, you might be in the minority there, but about that i digress. At one point (and at some point in the future maybe) we simply had to hunt and kill animals who were doing the same for thier families. If at some point through In Vitro meat or any other scientific advancement we can get the same result without having to devote entire farm ranges to these animals, i dont see why it wouldnt be in our interest to persue it.surrealnumber5

I would think killing an entire cow would be more like killing an entire tree. And in such an example, I would actually consider a grown tree to be of more worth than a grown cow, considering how much good it does in terms of providing oxygen, a preventative measure against erosion via it's root system, and shelter to other animals. But I too digress.

To get more to the point, both agriculture and livestock are destructive to the environment.

Yes, we must all become cannibals.

Nope. I wasn't born an herbivore.