Have you ever considered going vegan/vegetarian?

It's not like they're enjoying their life big time standing there all day doing nothing...

bloodling

Actually I think the other animals are far happier & far more connected than the human species

It's the humans that are miserable

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

It's not like they're enjoying their life big time standing there all day doing nothing...

Actually I think the other animals are far happier & far more connected than the human species

It's the humans that are miserable

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

It's not like they're enjoying their life big time standing there all day doing nothing...

Actually I think the other animals are far happier & far more connected than the human species

It's the humans that are miserable

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I would like to see a television reality series that places a bunch of vegans in the forest and tells them to survive on what they can find. Without energy from animal meat, they wouldn't last very long (considering carbs and lentils aren't available in the forest).

GettingTired

You speak the truth, but what is wrong will killing animals, especially old animals? In my opinion, we should release them from their meaningless existence. This does not hold true when talking about cats and dogs, they seem to appreciate life.

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No, humans were meant to eat meat, and it's only because of the vast availability of food and supplements now that being a vegan/vegetarian is even an option.

GettingTired

Unless you live in a hemp tent in the woods and are entirely self sufficiant, you are responsible for animal suffering by degrees. How many animals have/will suffer as a result of the electricity you use to power your computer? Your car? The public transit if you take it? To develop and test those medicines you mentioned? Accidentally killed in the harvesting process of the plants you eat? Because someone might eschew meat at dinner and wear pleather shoes means very little.

I have been a vegetarian for 3 years and was vegan for maybe 4 months. Being vegan is just to hard.

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[QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"] So that they can what? Live life to the fullest and appreciate every moment of it? No. And they'll probably end up killing other animals before getting killed by one.Solid_Snake325

That was hilarious - you mean Pigs-Cows & Sheep - yep there a trouble some bunch those guys probably end up killing a bunch of endangered species just for kicks

Yeah that is strange - how we don't really give them any Value - it's like they don't have a proper job in the office therefore there existanceis totally useless - humans are an evil bunch of basterds - only looking for Use in things - never seeing it for what it is & respecting that

What value has your life ? that is greater than the Goat? - both of you will return to the same ground?

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[QUOTE="bloodling"]

It's not like they're enjoying their life big time standing there all day doing nothing...

Solid_Snake325

Actually I think the other animals are far happier & far more connected than the human species

It's the humans that are miserable

Exactly... You can't even call it happiness... It's just ignorance...

Its a lot like when i was 7, running around the fields all day with a wooden stick,

commanding my group of 'troops' ^^

Our childhood may seem like happiness, but its actually only so due to not

knowing any better.

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[QUOTE="bloodling"]

It's not like they're enjoying their life big time standing there all day doing nothing...

sonicare

Actually I think the other animals are far happier & far more connected than the human species

It's the humans that are miserable

Who did that? Humans again?

Thousands of pets get dumped in trashbins & rivers each year in England alone -you visit the Dog's home you will see many traumatized & tortured dogs from human influence

Yeah that is strange - how we don't really give them any Value - it's like they don't have a proper job in the office therefore there existanceis totally useless - humans are an evil bunch of basterds - only looking for Use in things - never seeing it for what it is & respecting that

What value has your life ? that is greater than the Goat? - both of you will return to the same ground?

soren008

I never talked about value, I did talk about meaningless existence, which basically means that they can't think, they only react by instinct. It's not about their value at all, it's only a conclusion based on factual evidence.

However, if you want to talk about value, yes by life is far (times a thousand) more valuable than a bull's life. Return to the same ground? What does that have to do with anything? Great, now I am worth just as much as a leaf falling from a tree.

Who did that? Humans again?

Thousands of pets get dumped in trashbins & rivers each year in England alone -you visit the Dog's home you will see many traumatized & tortured dogs from human influence

soren008

Uh... as far as I know we don't eat dogs... Are we talking about animal cruelty or eating animals?

Tofu is where it's at.

I've considered it, but then I decided I like chicken too much, and steak is delicious as well. I try to buy organic foods when i can buy them though, they are more healthy for you. Franklinstein

You actually buy into that whole "organic food" fiasco thats going on right now?

You do realize it's all pretty much a scam, right?

Nope. I'm sure there are people somewhere who lift and are vegetarians, but I've never met one, and am not one myself.

Yeah. I'm considering becoming a vegetarian after moving out of my parent's house. Probably not for the rest of my life though.

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Who did that? Humans again?

Thousands of pets get dumped in trashbins & rivers each year in England alone -you visit the Dog's home you will see many traumatized & tortured dogs from human influence

bloodling

Uh... as far as I know we don't eat dogs... Are we talking about animal cruelty or eating animals?

No I was just saying that all Animal suffering is brought about by humans - their death & misery is brought about by us

If you see the cows at the slaughter house awaiting to be killed they are all shivering - they feel intense fear just like us

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]I've considered it, but then I decided I like chicken too much, and steak is delicious as well. I try to buy organic foods when i can buy them though, they are more healthy for you. Joshywaa

You actually buy into that whole "organic food" fiasco thats going on right now?

You do realize it's all pretty much a scam, right?

How is that?

I would never become a vegan.

Vegetarian? That i actually would consider.

I don't think i would have such a dim (VERY dim) view of vegan's if every vegan i knew wasn'tan obnoxious little baby.

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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]I've considered it, but then I decided I like chicken too much, and steak is delicious as well. I try to buy organic foods when i can buy them though, they are more healthy for you. action1234

You actually buy into that whole "organic food" fiasco thats going on right now?

You do realize it's all pretty much a scam, right?

How is that?

It is not... Lots of very well known chefs highly recommend organic food, the scam is about omega 3 added in food (which basically does nothing because they add it in microscopic doses.

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However, if you want to talk about value, yes by life is far (times a thousand) more valuable than a bull's life. Return to the same ground? What does that have to do with anything? Great, now I am worth just as much as a leaf falling from a tree.

bloodling

According to who ?

According to Nature are you more valid than the bull?

The power of thought certainly makes you more powerful & clever & cunning but that's about it - thought is why you believe yourself to be better than the other animals - but that's just a thought!! All our religions & doctrines & illusions are created by thought - but they are just thoughts

Your whole sense of superiority is a total illusion created by you and the society around you

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[QUOTE="soren008"]

Who did that? Humans again?

Thousands of pets get dumped in trashbins & rivers each year in England alone -you visit the Dog's home you will see many traumatized & tortured dogs from human influence

soren008

Uh... as far as I know we don't eat dogs... Are we talking about animal cruelty or eating animals?

No I was just saying that all Animal suffering is brought about by humans - their death & misery is brought about by us

If you see the cows at the slaughter house awaiting to be killed they are all shivering - they feel intense fear just like us

I agree that some methods used are absolutely terrible (especially the religious ones), and becoming a vegetarian is a way to react against it, but that's not changing anything in my opinion. The governments in some countries need to step in to resolve these issues.

[QUOTE="bloodling"].

However, if you want to talk about value, yes by life is far (times a thousand) more valuable than a bull's life. Return to the same ground? What does that have to do with anything? Great, now I am worth just as much as a leaf falling from a tree.

soren008

According to who ?

According to Nature are you more valid than the bull?

The power of thought certainly makes you more powerful & clever & cunning but that's about it - thought is why you believe yourself to be better than the other animals - but that's just a thought!! All our religions & doctrines & illusions are created by thought - but they are just thoughts

Your whole sense of superiority is a total illusion created by you and the society around you

I would say that your animal "superiority" is a total illusion created by you and the society around you. Again, I do not base this on nature or anything other than factual evidence. Animals don't think. They react. Unless they're really smart (like orcas, dogs...).

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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]I've considered it, but then I decided I like chicken too much, and steak is delicious as well. I try to buy organic foods when i can buy them though, they are more healthy for you. action1234

You actually buy into that whole "organic food" fiasco thats going on right now?

You do realize it's all pretty much a scam, right?

How is that?

Because it's a scam.

There are barely any nutritional differences at ALL between organically grown foods, and conventionally grown foods...except of course the outrageous price we are being forced to pay for these supposedly "organic" "healthy" foods.

(From the Nutrition and Public Health Intervention Research Unit)

"On the basis of a systematic review of studies of satisfactory quality, there is no evidence of a difference in nutrient quality between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs. The small differences in nutrient content detected are biologically plausible and mostly relate to differences in production methods. "

Production Methods??

I have a feeling our beloved organic foods are being tampered with.

Monsanto, anyone?

Organically grown foods tend to have way higher levels of phospherous in them...and titratable acids(sulphuric acid, for example)

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[QUOTE="Joshywaa"]

You actually buy into that whole "organic food" fiasco thats going on right now?

You do realize it's all pretty much a scam, right?

Joshywaa

How is that?

Because it's a scam.

There are barely any nutritional differences at ALL between organically grown foods, and conventionally grown foods...except of course the outrageous price we are being forced to pay for these supposedly "organic" "healthy" foods.

(From the Nutrition and Public Health Intervention Research Unit)

"On the basis of a systematic review of studies of satisfactory quality, there is no evidence of a difference in nutrient quality between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs. The small differences in nutrient content detected are biologically plausible and mostly relate to differences in production methods. "

Production Methods??

I have a feeling our beloved organic foods are being tampered with.

Monsanto, anyone?

Organically grown foods tend to have way higher levels of phospherous in them...and titratable acids(sulphuric acid, for example)

NEVER trust those "nutritional" studies. They are very misleading. Organic food has MUCH less stuff that causes cancer. It's like the study that says it's dumb to buy bottled water because it's the same as tap water. It's not. Apart from tasting disgusting, tap water very well may give you cancer in the long run, and I'm not even talking about all that nasty stuff in there.

I have never considered becoming a vegetarian. If God didn't intend for us to eat meat, then why did He make it taste so good?

I respect those who are vegetarians because they feel it's healthy. I don't respect those who are vegetarians because they think killing animals is wrong.

I have never considered becoming a vegetarian. If God didn't intend for us to eat meat, then why did He make it taste so good?

I respect those who are vegetarians because they feel it's healthy. I don't respect those who are vegetarians because they think killing animals is wrong.

aransom

Maybe we taste just as good...or better?

^ yeah we are meat too.

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I have never considered becoming a vegetarian. If God didn't intend for us to eat meat, then why did He make it taste so good?

I respect those who are vegetarians because they feel it's healthy. I don't respect those who are vegetarians because they think killing animals is wrong.

action1234

Maybe we taste just as good...or better?

Yeah, every argument that starts with "If God didn't intend for us to..." ends up worthless.

No way.

Love mah meats.

I really love vegetables,but there is no way I'd ever be a vegetarian.Beef,pork and chicken is just way too damn good.

I didn't choose to be a vegetarian - it isn't some ideal I'm trying to live by or some morality - it's the natural response

Isn't it funny how most meat eaters wouldn't be able to kill their own food personally? - even that Jamie Oliver - when he killed that lamb with the knife he burst into tears & looked away whilst cutting it's neck

soren008

its just that living in cities has taken away our killing insticts(to an extent),humans are natural killers,primitives hunted animals to extinctions,doesnt matter if they didnt do it for food,what matters is that they killed tons of animals that threatened them,so not eating meat isnt a natural response.If you put us back in the woods we'll start cutting away throats without even blinking an eye

I was a vegetarian when I was 16 and it lasted for 9 months. I was not determined enough to continue because meat is so delicious.

Pros and cons of becoming a vegetarian.

Pros-Less chance to have spit in my food.....Thats about it....


Cons- Its un healthy not to eat mean, I work with meat everyday so id always be tempted, its so damn good, I didnt get to try that double down thing yet, I could name a million!

If I stop eating meat, the animals that gave there lifes would die in vain, cause I wouldnt eat them.

I do it every once in a while. I eat mostly fish though so I guess you can call me vegetarian if you want to.

im vegetarian

Vegan is just stupid...like what CAN they eat?

No. I frown upon veganism and vegetarianism...unless it's a part of one's religion.

i don't eat meat, but i do use dairy products.