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#1 yabbicoke
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... the greatest chemistry experiment currently known to us? Like many other planets, Earth is just a huge clump of various chemicals that make up it's mass, the major difference of course being life. Life in itself is some amazing chemistry, but when you factor that into all the other elements of the Earth and how the two forces (biotic and abiotic) interact, it really is like the greatest and most complicated chemistry equation we know of. If someone (somehow) was able to write out ALL of the Earth into a chemical equation... I can't even imagine how big and complicated it would be. In a way I feel incredibly priveleged to see the end result of chemicals just sort of randomly colliding and combining over 4.5 billion years (and many parts of it even earlier than that).

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#2 Aspen706
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Truthfully, no I had never thought about that.
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#3 sboyer2
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I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existance
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#4 CRS98
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You know, now that I think about it like that, yeah, yeah it actually is.
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#5 bobbleheadrogue
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I studeid that briefly in Year 10 when I was doing evolution in Biology. This reminds me of why I dumped science in Year 11 ;)
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#6 CRS98
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[QUOTE="sboyer2"]I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existance

I'd really hate for this topic to turn into a religious debate because of one person. But I want one answer to one question: What does this have to do with the existence of god?
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[QUOTE="sboyer2"]I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existance

Wow, way to completely turn down something you obviously know NOTHING about.
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#8 deactivated-5c37d3adcd094
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Gulp.
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Think about it? It was the topic of my thesis for my senior year biology class.
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#10 deactivated-5c37d3adcd094
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Think about it? It was the topic of my thesis for my senior year biology class.mattbbpl
That's a 'no,' right? :P
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#11 Jipset
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When you see Earth from far away you wonder what the heck else is out there.

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#12 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Think about it? It was the topic of my thesis for my senior year biology class.kamikaze_pigmy
That's a 'no,' right? :P

Shhhh! My professor might hear you...
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[QUOTE="sboyer2"]I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existance

You made me laugh.
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#14 markop2003
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As an equation yes but not as an experiment, generally an experiment has to be volentarily carried out by a human
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#15 Perd1t1on
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I don't think it's that fantastic. If we were a perfect world with a super abundance of resources that would be fantastic, but with the amount of stars out there and the rate of discovery of new planets, we are really insignificant.
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[QUOTE="sboyer2"]I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existance

*Gets Popcorn* Go on! Please destroy the whole point of this topic.
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#17 IWKYB
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This is a great topic.

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#18 Serraph105
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oh but to answer the actual topic. While I have thought about what it was that sparked life, I have not really thought about the whole world as the greatest chemical equation known to mankind nor have I ever felt privileged to be apart of that equation.

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[QUOTE="sboyer2"]I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existance

It's just human perception as to what seems amazing/impossible and what doesn't
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#20 incred_davis
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i more or less think about it like this,

were spinning on a little mossy rock in a medium sized galaxy in the middle of nowhere...
every couple of hundred thousand years every thing is destroyed and most of all life becomes extinct....
at any moment everything on our planet could be gone in a second due to collision...


and you guys are worried about the next i phone........................

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#21 The_Weird_Guy
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Have you ever thought about how the Earth is basically just a giant rock.
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I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existancesboyer2
you're wrong.
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[QUOTE="CRS98"][QUOTE="sboyer2"]I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existance

I'd really hate for this topic to turn into a religious debate because of one person. But I want one answer to one question: What does this have to do with the existence of god?

He's saying that God created all these chemicals that collided to make life.
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="CRS98"][QUOTE="sboyer2"]I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existance

I'd really hate for this topic to turn into a religious debate because of one person. But I want one answer to one question: What does this have to do with the existence of god?

He's saying that God created all these chemicals that collided to make life.

Which is a very silly thing to say.
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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"][QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="CRS98"] I'd really hate for this topic to turn into a religious debate because of one person. But I want one answer to one question: What does this have to do with the existence of god?

He's saying that God created all these chemicals that collided to make life.

Which is a very silly thing to say.

Silly how?
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To try and get this ball rolling in the right direction, I'll post some "basic" chemical processes that allow human bodies to function on basic levels.

How about starting with mRNA transcription?

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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"][QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] He's saying that God created all these chemicals that collided to make life.

Which is a very silly thing to say.

Silly how?

actually as long as you say God had a guiding hand (which also includes creating the laws of science) in putting things in the right place at the right time so it would end up in a certain way (more or less anyway) I'm not sure I see the contradiction. and now I destroyed the original topic :roll:
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Let's follow it up with another personal favorite of mine: glycolisis

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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"] Which is a very silly thing to say.

Silly how?

actually as long as you say God had a guiding hand (which also includes creating the laws of science) in putting things in the right place at the right time so it would end up in a certain way (more or less anyway) I'm not sure I see the contradiction. and now I destroyed the original topic :roll:

Umm just clarifying, are you saying that its a silly thing to say or not? The topic was bound to branch off into this anyway.
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I've figured out the mystery of the universe. The universe is inside a beaker of a high school chemistry student in a bigger universe.

Where's my nobel prize?

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I've figured out the mystery of the universe. The universe is inside a beaker of a high school chemistry student in a bigger universe.

Where's my nobel prize?

adv_tr00per

Inside the beaker :o

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I've figured out the mystery of the universe. The universe is inside a beaker of a high school chemistry student in a bigger universe.

Where's my nobel prize?

adv_tr00per

No, actually the universe is inside a personal locker, in a train station, in a larger universe.

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I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existancesboyer2
If God created the universe out of nothing, then the real question should be who created God?
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[QUOTE="sboyer2"]I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existanceGunslinger_1988
If God created the universe out of nothing, then the real question should be who created God?

If nothingness created the universe out of nothingness, then what created the universe?
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#35 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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Yeah, i found it amazing how such random and coincidental events could create what we know as Earth today..

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[QUOTE="adv_tr00per"]

I've figured out the mystery of the universe. The universe is inside a beaker of a high school chemistry student in a bigger universe.

Where's my nobel prize?

Superbored

No, actually the universe is inside a personal locker, in a train station, in a larger universe.

actually i think you will find that the universe is in a snow globe on someones shelf in a super universe. and that super universe is contained within another snow globe contained in whats called the ultima universe. and it pretty much stops there. or something like that. theres definately snowglobes involved. so sayeth earthworm jim :P.
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This is going to become a huge religious debate. Just watch.
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[QUOTE="Gunslinger_1988"][QUOTE="sboyer2"]I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existanceShottayouth13-
If God created the universe out of nothing, then the real question should be who created God?

If nothingness created the universe out of nothingness, then what created the universe?

here's an even more absurd question: prove something can't come from nothing (w/o using the conservation of mass energy law)
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="Gunslinger_1988"] If God created the universe out of nothing, then the real question should be who created God? munu9
If nothingness created the universe out of nothingness, then what created the universe?

here's an even more absurd question: prove something can't come from nothing (w/o using the conservation of mass energy law)

Did you just ask him to prove something with the stipulation that he has to ignore the guiding scientific principle which states as such?
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[QUOTE="Gunslinger_1988"][QUOTE="sboyer2"]I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existanceShottayouth13-
If God created the universe out of nothing, then the real question should be who created God?

If nothingness created the universe out of nothingness, then what created the universe?

You are assuming it was created by something. What you should really be saying is "how was the universe formed"
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#41 munu9
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[QUOTE="munu9"][QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] If nothingness created the universe out of nothingness, then what created the universe? mattbbpl
here's an even more absurd question: prove something can't come from nothing (w/o using the conservation of mass energy law)

Did you just ask him to prove something with the stipulation that he has to ignore the guiding scientific principle which states as such?

eh, I'm just trying to say that something coming from nothing has a scientific basis but proving it simply through logic isn't so easy
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[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="Gunslinger_1988"] If God created the universe out of nothing, then the real question should be who created God? Gunslinger_1988
If nothingness created the universe out of nothingness, then what created the universe?

You are assuming it was created by something. What you should really be saying is "how was the universe formed"

The question of 'how' neither you nor I can answer. Must not there be source materials from which you can then create something?
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="munu9"] here's an even more absurd question: prove something can't come from nothing (w/o using the conservation of mass energy law) munu9
Did you just ask him to prove something with the stipulation that he has to ignore the guiding scientific principle which states as such?

eh, I'm just trying to say that something coming from nothing has a scientific basis but proving it simply through logic isn't so easy

Can I see a link for that please?
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[QUOTE="sboyer2"]I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existanceGunslinger_1988
If God created the universe out of nothing, then the real question should be who created God?

I think it's interesting that the idea of G-d being infinite somehow bothers scientists, but the idea of matter being infinite doesn't bother them in the least.
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No I can't say that i have. But I'm betting that thatXaos guy ponders that sort of thing.

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[QUOTE="Gunslinger_1988"][QUOTE="sboyer2"]I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existancejalexbrown
If God created the universe out of nothing, then the real question should be who created God?

I think it's interesting that the idea of G-d being infinite somehow bothers scientists, but the idea of matter being infinite doesn't bother them in the least.

Matter is infinite? I thought scientists believe in there being a finite amount of matter/energy in the universe.

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[QUOTE="Gunslinger_1988"][QUOTE="sboyer2"]I pity believe that the world just happened to be created by a giant boom where chemicals which didn't exist just collide together to make life :roll: It's stuff like this which proves God's existancejalexbrown
If God created the universe out of nothing, then the real question should be who created God?

I think it's interesting that the idea of G-d being infinite somehow bothers scientists, but the idea of matter being infinite doesn't bother them in the least.

It's called hypocrisy. I am glad I am not so closed off as I used to be when I was a hateful atheist. (not all atheists but when i was one I was)
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="Gunslinger_1988"] If God created the universe out of nothing, then the real question should be who created God? Superbored

I think it's interesting that the idea of G-d being infinite somehow bothers scientists, but the idea of matter being infinite doesn't bother them in the least.

Matter is infinite? I thought scientists believe in there being a finite amount of matter/energy in the universe.

There is a finite amount, but apparently the only logical conclusion is that it has existed for an infinitely long time.
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[QUOTE="Gunslinger_1988"][QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] If nothingness created the universe out of nothingness, then what created the universe? Shottayouth13-
You are assuming it was created by something. What you should really be saying is "how was the universe formed"

The question of 'how' neither you nor I can answer. Must not there be source materials from which you can then create something?

I am not answering, but rather asking the question.
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I can't say I've ever thought about it that way.