Here is Proof that God Exists

us, I don't think they have Tornados in the UK.

You can do amazing things if you have enough people (similar to the pyramids), why would god put some big rocks down on a hill?

kruesader

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Frattracide"]

Their counter argument is that these versus are metaphors. I don't think they were intend to be but, whatever.

Frattracide

And your counter argument is "I don't believe they were metaphors, therefore they were not metaphors, therefore the Bible is false."

No, its "there is good reason to believe they weren't" and though I don't believe in the validity of the bible, I never made that claim here.

Even though you have been shown several times (all of which you ignored) that there is NOT good reason to believe so, since they KNEW THE EARTH WAS NOT FLAT.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Sooshy

So were the blocks of the pyramids, yet people still built those. Ever hear of tools? You can do a lot of things with tools.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Psychosisrain"]If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moonPsychosisrain

When we logically prove a particular thing, we show that it must be true because it follows logically from something authoritative. But there is nothing more authoritative than God and His Word. God knows absolutely everything. So it makes sense to base our worldview on what God has written in His Word. Some people say that it is unscientific to start from God's Word. But in reality, nothing could be further from the truth. A belief in God is actually foundational to logical thought and scientific inquiry. Think about it

I've read some of it, but I mostly spend my time reading the final preserved edition...

k. most of the old testiment is just stories not real. but there is no proof against God, therefore, you people have no argument against what Sooshy is saying.harashawn

You don't tolerate good arguments either, do you feel victorious or something sitting here having your points being ripped apart? You are yet to state something that has even made me have to think for more than a few seconds to explain, disprove or find contention with.

kruesader

I'm not even arguing that God has to exist, but there is a higher being out there that made everything. You should at least believe that.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Sooshy

[QUOTE="kruesader"]

You don't tolerate good arguments either, do you feel victorious or something sitting here having your points being ripped apart? You are yet to state something that has even made me have to think for more than a few seconds to explain, disprove or find contention with.

Sooshy

I'm not even arguing that God has to exist, but there is a higher being out there that made everything. You should at least believe that.

Again, why should I atleast have to believe that? I have yet to even see something that even makes me begin to question my beliefs?

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Video_Game_King

So were the blocks of the pyramids, yet people still built those. Ever hear of tools? You can do a lot of things with tools.

I read it, and why am I not surprised to see a bunch of question-begging? I did not say everything is a metaphor (it obviously is not), I don't see how believing everything is a metaphor would so much as scratch Christianity, and please, come up with something slightly original.

Dracargen

What's wrong with begging for questions? Questions lead to answers and that helps us all. Everything being metaphorical would more than scratch christianity, as their entire creed is based on the assumption that god's word is flawless, and the bible is literal.

Ironically enough though, I can't believe that a guy who follows a religion would ask me to come up with something original... :roll:

I'm not even arguing that God has to exist, but there is a higher being out there that made everything. You should at least believe that.Sooshy

Again, why should I atleast have to believe that? I have yet to even see something that even makes me begin to question my beliefs?

kruesader

[QUOTE="Frattracide"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Frattracide"]

Their counter argument is that these versus are metaphors. I don't think they were intend to be but, whatever.

Dracargen

And your counter argument is "I don't believe they were metaphors, therefore they were not metaphors, therefore the Bible is false."

No, its "there is good reason to believe they weren't" and though I don't believe in the validity of the bible, I never made that claim here.

Even though you have been shown several times (all of which you ignored) that there is NOT good reason to believe so, since they KNEW THE EARTH WAS NOT FLAT.

What are you talking about? There are plenty of records of early christians advocating a flat earth theory. And were talking about a a group of authors that predates even them. In antiquity a flat earth was a commonly held belief and these passages were supposedly written then.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Sooshy

So were the blocks of the pyramids, yet people still built those. Ever hear of tools? You can do a lot of things with tools.

Ok, I think the largest block in a pyramid is roughly 2 tonnes?There is no reason why enough people and animals could not move those with the use of rollers and construct a pyramid.

[QUOTE="Sooshy"]I'm not even arguing that God has to exist, but there is a higher being out there that made everything. You should at least believe that.SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Video_Game_King

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Video_Game_King

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Video_Game_King

So were the blocks of the pyramids, yet people still built those. Ever hear of tools? You can do a lot of things with tools.

they had help from the ALIENS. ooooooooooooooooooooo. scary. (it's in the Bible) just kidding.

and no, im not insane.

[QUOTE="kruesader"]

Again, why should I atleast have to believe that? I have yet to even see something that even makes me begin to question my beliefs?

Sooshy

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]I'm not even arguing that God has to exist, but there is a higher being out there that made everything. You should at least believe that.Sooshy

Then how is the bible proof? that points to a specific god.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Sooshy

So were the blocks of the pyramids, yet people still built those. Ever hear of tools? You can do a lot of things with tools.

If you read...well, if you read any elementary school history book, you'd know that the pyramids were made by humans. They used tools, like a wheel, or a platform, possibly pulleys. Ever pick up a middle school science textbook? There's an entire section on tools. Check it out. And guess what? Scientists have found other stongehenges dating back to 8000 BC. There's more than one of them, you know.

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

kruesader

So were the blocks of the pyramids, yet people still built those. Ever hear of tools? You can do a lot of things with tools.

Ok, I think the largest block in a pyramid is roughly 2 tonnes?There is no reason why enough people and animals could not move those with the use of rollers and construct a pyramid.

What are you talking about? There are plenty of records of early christians advocating a flat earth theory. And were talking about a a group of authors that predates even them. In antiquity a flat earth was a commonly held belief and these passages were supposedly written then.

Frattracide

He's in denial. And you won't get anywhere with him because he holds us all up to impossible standards that even he himself couldn't reach. It's how he avoids admitting fault.

[QUOTE="Psychosisrain"]

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Psychosisrain"]If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moonMr_sprinkles

When we logically prove a particular thing, we show that it must be true because it follows logically from something authoritative. But there is nothing more authoritative than God and His Word. God knows absolutely everything. So it makes sense to base our worldview on what God has written in His Word. Some people say that it is unscientific to start from God's Word. But in reality, nothing could be further from the truth. A belief in God is actually foundational to logical thought and scientific inquiry. Think about it

Logical reasoning is possible because God is logical and has made us in HIS image.

But if the universe were merely a chance accident, then why should logical reasoning be possible? If my brain is merely the product of mutations (guided only by natural selection), then why should I think that it can determine what is true? The secular, evolutionary worldview cannot account for the existence of logical reasoning

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Sooshy

So were the blocks of the pyramids, yet people still built those. Ever hear of tools? You can do a lot of things with tools.

[QUOTE="kruesader"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Sooshy

So were the blocks of the pyramids, yet people still built those. Ever hear of tools? You can do a lot of things with tools.

Ok, I think the largest block in a pyramid is roughly 2 tonnes?There is no reason why enough people and animals could not move those with the use of rollers and construct a pyramid.

Oxen. And you can definitely train things like elephants to do things like that (I am not suggesting the Egyptians did)

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]I'm not even arguing that God has to exist, but there is a higher being out there that made everything. You should at least believe that.Sooshy

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Video_Game_King

So were the blocks of the pyramids, yet people still built those. Ever hear of tools? You can do a lot of things with tools.

If you read...well, if you read any elementary school history book, you'd know that the pyramids were made by humans. They used tools, like a wheel, or a platform, possibly pulleys. Ever pick up a middle school science textbook? There's an entire section on tools. Check it out. And guess what? Scientists have found other stongehenges dating back to 8000 BC. There's more than one of them, you know.

So scientist found more. Maybe God made more so more people could see their beauty?

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

I read it, and why am I not surprised to see a bunch of question-begging? I did not say everything is a metaphor (it obviously is not), I don't see how believing everything is a metaphor would so much as scratch Christianity, and please, come up with something slightly original.

Deity_Slapper

What's wrong with begging for questions? Questions lead to answers and that helps us all. Everything being metaphorical would more than scratch christianity,as their entire creed is based on the assumption that god's word is flawless, and the bible is literal.

Ironically enough though, I can't believe that a guy who follows a religion would ask me to come up with something original... :roll:

More question-begging!:lol: It's a logical fallacy.

First of all, you do not have to believe the Bible is flawless. Not even Clive Staples Lewis believed that.

Secondly, it is nothing short of ABSURD to say that the entire creed of Christianity is that the Bible is literal.

Well, going "religious people can't think for themselves" is hardly an original thought, now is it? :roll:

[QUOTE="kruesader"]

Again, why should I atleast have to believe that? I have yet to even see something that even makes me begin to question my beliefs?

Sooshy

This leads to the whole mindblowing who created god?

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Sooshy

Aliens maybe?

Hold on. The great pyramids themselves were created by men. God may choose a different way to show his powers and His work can be clearly seen from the environment around us. Random slabs of rocks are not a natural occurence.

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]I'm not even arguing that God has to exist, but there is a higher being out there that made everything. You should at least believe that.SolidSnake35

If it's that easy and simple, why haven't similar structures sprung up all over the place. You can't just train an elephant to push a huge stone up a roller, either. :|
Sooshy

Maybe because other people around the world had different beliefs and life****, and all of that didn't fit into their particular life****. Yea, that sounds fairly accurate.

[QUOTE="kruesader"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Sooshy

So were the blocks of the pyramids, yet people still built those. Ever hear of tools? You can do a lot of things with tools.

Ok, I think the largest block in a pyramid is roughly 2 tonnes?There is no reason why enough people and animals could not move those with the use of rollers and construct a pyramid.

If my brain is merely the product of mutations (guided only by natural selection), then why should I think that it can determine what is true? The secular, evolutionary worldview cannot account for the existence of logical reasoning

Psychosisrain

if you touch fire, you burn yourself. that is the basis of logical reasoning.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Sooshy

So were the blocks of the pyramids, yet people still built those. Ever hear of tools? You can do a lot of things with tools.

If you read...well, if you read any elementary school history book, you'd know that the pyramids were made by humans. They used tools, like a wheel, or a platform, possibly pulleys. Ever pick up a middle school science textbook? There's an entire section on tools. Check it out. And guess what? Scientists have found other stongehenges dating back to 8000 BC. There's more than one of them, you know.

So scientist found more. Maybe God made more so more people could see their beauty?

Maybe he didn't? (Note: I just used an argument with about the same strength as all of yours, isn't it frustrating?)

What are you talking about? There are plenty of records of early christians advocating a flat earth theory. And were talking about a a group of authors that predates even them. In antiquity a flat earth was a commonly held belief and these passages were supposedly written then.

Frattracide

Do you even read the links I give? People have known the earth was round as long as they have known how to sail! And I said that some Christians advocated it; they were a minority and the Church never made it an official statement!

Quit ignoring everything I've been saying.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

People. People built it.

Sooshy

So were the blocks of the pyramids, yet people still built those. Ever hear of tools? You can do a lot of things with tools.

If you read...well, if you read any elementary school history book, you'd know that the pyramids were made by humans. They used tools, like a wheel, or a platform, possibly pulleys. Ever pick up a middle school science textbook? There's an entire section on tools. Check it out. And guess what? Scientists have found other stongehenges dating back to 8000 BC. There's more than one of them, you know.

So scientist found more. Maybe God made more so more people could see their beauty?

Or maybe people made multiple ones so they could tell what time of year it was, or what time of day it was. And if I don't have to lecture you on eduaction, show it. Put up a forceful argument.

you do realise that any moron with a pen could have...no i should say did write that when cristianity started

and if i'm wrong i guess Halo proves the rings and the covenant exist.

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Sooshy

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Sooshy

Gamespot Users = Somebody forgot to keep count. Who's keeping count? We lost count around 12.

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Sooshy

Haha.

Did your mother not hug you enough when you were young TC? Do you need to be big on the internet to feel good?

All you have achieved is to make yourself look foolish, if you truly are religious then you have done your faith a great disservice.

More question-begging!:lol: It's a logical fallacy.Dracargen

I just explained why this is a good thing.

First of all, you do not have to believe the Bible is flawless. Not even Clive Staples Lewis believed that.Dracargen

What? Who cares what some guy believed? :?

Secondly, it is nothing short of ABSURD to say that the entire creed of Christianity is that the Bible is literal.Dracargen

Is it not meant to be literal? Christians themselves always resort to the bible to make points, how about the part that says god's word is infinite, and forever...never changing? Sounds like god himself wants his word to be taken seriously, and not metaphorically.

Well, going "religious people can't think for themselves" is hardly an original thought, now is it? :roll:

Dracargen

Not original, but true. Should I stop telling the truth because you don't like the way it stings?

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Sooshy

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]I'm not even arguing that God has to exist, but there is a higher being out there that made everything. You should at least believe that.Sooshy

No God did not dictate the Bible. That is one of the most common deceptions around. The Bible was written by people who received divine revalation and inspiration. GOd did not say "write this here and that there."

It was written by man.

Logical reasoning is possible because God is logical and has made us in HIS image.

But if the universe were merely a chance accident, then why should logical reasoning be possible? If my brain is merely the product of mutations (guided only by natural selection), then why should I think that it can determine what is true? The secular, evolutionary worldview cannot account for the existence of logical reasoning

Psychosisrain

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Sooshy

You never trolled. All you did was coming back up with irrelevant answers.

[QUOTE="Sooshy"]

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