What the heck is that thing? I don't know what some fish is going to prove?
Sooshy
Luck.
Here is Proof that God Exists
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[QUOTE="Sooshy"]Tomorrow is Sunday. I'll confess about it tomorrow.
pianist
That isn't how it works bro. You've been flaming people here from the get go, and I think you know full well you're doing it. You're supposed to be consciously avoiding that. If you're not, you're not really honouring your religious beliefs. In fact, you're doing your religion a great disservice by portraying it in an extremely negative light, which will drive others further away rather than bring them towards it.
First of all, I don't think this board is here to recruit people to your religion. It's for discussion, and that's what we're doing. I can have my opinions and you can have yours.Secondly, I'm not doing it a disservice because I am arguing for it. So many people are saying it's wrong and so little saying it's right. Like most things, the truth is an uphill battle, I'm afraid, but it's worth it to get people to ackknowledge God's existance.
[QUOTE="kirk4ever"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="pspdseagle"]HERE THE EVIDENCE:FAITH what the heck has religion ever done to you guys? Video_Game_King
Its done some bad things for humanity. Inquisitions, manifest destiny, the Holocaust, a lot of the crap in the Middle Ages, witch hunts, sectarian violence in the middle east, the Pakistan/India thing (I think), Darfur, there's quite a lot of stuff I could list that I could blame religion for.
all of THAT=GREED POWER MONEY AND MANKIND not religion but in the FALSE NAME OF RELIGION......just like people say video games kill....
Religion was still used as motivation. How can you possibly say that the witch hunts, the Inquisitions and the Sunni/Shiite controversy aren't heavily saturated with religion?
not motivation but as a cover ...a free pass to foll people.....its sad but true
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="pianist"]But the answers aren't there. There's no empirical evidence in that book, and that is proof. Without physical evidence, you may as well be talking about another work of fiction. Seriously, the only thing that is going to confirm that God exists (and that the Biblical view of God is correct) is if God makes a tangible appearance and states that the Bible is correct.SooshyAnd he will make an appearance. And when he does, I'm going to come on here and LOL at everyone for the mass ownage
And that wouldn't make you a very good person so prepare to be smitten.A good person compared to what? I come on here and LOL at you guys, and you're refuted the existance of God. I don't think he's going to have room in hell for me with all the people pretending he doesn't exist.
I'm thinking of a word that describes that train of thought that you will come in here when "god" (yes, that was a cheap shot ;)) does if EVER makes an appearance to his "humble" creatures. Hubris? No, that's not it... I think self-righteous would be better.
[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="pspdseagle"]HERE THE EVIDENCE:FAITH what the heck has religion ever done to you guys? Dracargen
Its done some bad things for humanity. Inquisitions, manifest destiny, the Holocaust, a lot of the crap in the Middle Ages, witch hunts, sectarian violence in the middle east, the Pakistan/India thing (I think), Darfur, there's quite a lot of stuff I could list that I could blame religion for.
Wow.
The Holocaust? How in the world can anyone possibly blame the Holocaust on religion? Hitler didn't even follow a specific religion (although he like Arianism)!
There are three things I could blame atheism for, with your logic, and they would overlap all 123 bad things religion has ever done.
Hitler said that the Germans were the chosen people quite a lot, that God wanted to eliminate the Jews. There's a bit of religion in there. I'd search for a Hitler quote, but I don't think you'd want the phrase Hitler under your searched terms thing, either.
The fact that there is no way they could have build those pyramids witht he materials they had. You need cranes for something like that.
Sooshy
No, you need thousands of slaves dying for that. And again, the Egyptians didn't believe in the Christian God at the time the pyramids were built. So why would he help them build tombs for their pharaohs that honour heathen Gods? Isn't there a commandment that specificially forbids that? It doesn't make any sense at all.
[QUOTE="Sooshy"]Oh, that's rich! No wonder why you're the lead religion professor at Harvard...oh wait. Yeah, you're just some dude on a gaming forum, aren't you? Discussion not ended.[QUOTE="el_carl"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="el_carl"]This thread, like most religious threads, fails. You cannot prove or disprove a religion. A religion is based on faith, and faith is something that you cannot prove. End of discussion.el_carl
What was so hard to understand? I used simple logic, which everyone should be familiar with. Religion isn't based on proof, its based on having faith. Also, when you insult me, try to give a reason for it.I'm not insulting you. You just try to make yourself sound more important than everyone else with your "Discussion ended" crap.
Religion is based on proof because there are things that really happened! Jesus was real. Look at the pyramids in Egypt, who the heck built those?
I wasn't trying to make myself seem more important. I'm just tired of people asking for proof for something that has no proof. Christianity is based on the fact that Jesus died so we can go to heaven. You can't prove Jesus died so we can go to heaven, so you can't prove or disprove Christianity. There's no proof for it, or against it.Next time you're at the store and see a candy bar, but have no money. When you think about stealing it, it's the devil, but the reason you don't is because of God. We call have this in our minds.[QUOTE="Frattracide"]I though it was believed the earth was in an ocean supported by pillars, covered by a dome.
Dracargen
Of course you base this belief on metaphors we still use this day.
Did you read the responces to your copy/pasted verses?
I guess my point was the people who wrote those verses didn't mean them metaphorically.
Because Gamespot Off-Topic is where you come to make a difference. :roll:
And who CARES if someone doesn't or does believe in God. I do, and I could care less what religion someone is. I'm sure there are others that look past religion too. Take a cue from us.
[QUOTE="Sooshy"]The fact that there is no way they could have build those pyramids witht he materials they had. You need cranes for something like that.
pianist
No, you need thousands of slaves dying for that. And again, the Egyptians didn't believe in the Christian God at the time the pyramids were built. So why would he help them build tombs for their pharaohs that honour heathen Gods? Isn't there a commandment that specificially forbids that? It doesn't make any sense at all.
You seem smart, so shouldn't you know that God loves everyone? Why wouldn't he help?[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]Tomorrow is Sunday. I'll confess about it tomorrow.
Sooshy
That isn't how it works bro. You've been flaming people here from the get go, and I think you know full well you're doing it. You're supposed to be consciously avoiding that. If you're not, you're not really honouring your religious beliefs. In fact, you're doing your religion a great disservice by portraying it in an extremely negative light, which will drive others further away rather than bring them towards it.
First of all, I don't think this board is here to recruit people to your religion. It's for discussion, and that's what we're doing. I can have my opinions and you can have yours.Secondly, I'm not doing it a disservice because I am arguing for it. So many people are saying it's wrong and so little saying it's right. Like most things, the truth is an uphill battle, I'm afraid, but it's worth it to get people to ackknowledge God's existance.
Your truth seems to consist of the weakest argument I have ever seen.
"This old book says it so it must be true"
[QUOTE="Sooshy"]The fact that there is no way they could have build those pyramids witht he materials they had. You need cranes for something like that.
pianist
No, you need thousands of slaves dying for that. And again, the Egyptians didn't believe in the Christian God at the time the pyramids were built. So why would he help them build tombs for their pharaohs that honour heathen Gods? Isn't there a commandment that specificially forbids that? It doesn't make any sense at all.
and if you believe the Moses story then the slaves were the Jews.
[Religion was still used as motivation. How can you possibly say that the witch hunts, the Inquisitions and the Sunni/Shiite controversy aren't heavily saturated with religion?
Video_Game_King
Nevermind that many witch hunts were secular, the Spanish Inquisition had little to do with Christianity, and the Sunni/Shiite controversy is also a political problem. . .
[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]Tomorrow is Sunday. I'll confess about it tomorrow.
kruesader
That isn't how it works bro. You've been flaming people here from the get go, and I think you know full well you're doing it. You're supposed to be consciously avoiding that. If you're not, you're not really honouring your religious beliefs. In fact, you're doing your religion a great disservice by portraying it in an extremely negative light, which will drive others further away rather than bring them towards it.
First of all, I don't think this board is here to recruit people to your religion. It's for discussion, and that's what we're doing. I can have my opinions and you can have yours.Secondly, I'm not doing it a disservice because I am arguing for it. So many people are saying it's wrong and so little saying it's right. Like most things, the truth is an uphill battle, I'm afraid, but it's worth it to get people to ackknowledge God's existance.
Your truth seems to consist of the weakest argument I have ever seen.
"This old book says it so it must be true"
This old book which millions have people have believed for centuries? There's a reason why it has succeeded and other books have failed and gotten lost in time.[QUOTE="el_carl"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]Oh, that's rich! No wonder why you're the lead religion professor at Harvard...oh wait. Yeah, you're just some dude on a gaming forum, aren't you? Discussion not ended.[QUOTE="el_carl"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="el_carl"]This thread, like most religious threads, fails. You cannot prove or disprove a religion. A religion is based on faith, and faith is something that you cannot prove. End of discussion.Sooshy
What was so hard to understand? I used simple logic, which everyone should be familiar with. Religion isn't based on proof, its based on having faith. Also, when you insult me, try to give a reason for it.I'm not insulting you. You just try to make yourself sound more important than everyone else with your "Discussion ended" crap.
Religion is based on proof because there are things that really happened! Jesus was real. Look at the pyramids in Egypt, who the heck built those?
I wasn't trying to make myself seem more important. I'm just tired of people asking for proof for something that has no proof. Christianity is based on the fact that Jesus died so we can go to heaven. You can't prove Jesus died so we can go to heaven, so you can't prove or disprove Christianity. There's no proof for it, or against it.Next time you're at the store and see a candy bar, but have no money. When you think about stealing it, it's the devil, but the reason you don't is because of God. We call have this in our minds.Or maybe its just our fear of getting caught and the consequences of getting caught
[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]The fact that there is no way they could have build those pyramids witht he materials they had. You need cranes for something like that.
Sooshy
No, you need thousands of slaves dying for that. And again, the Egyptians didn't believe in the Christian God at the time the pyramids were built. So why would he help them build tombs for their pharaohs that honour heathen Gods? Isn't there a commandment that specificially forbids that? It doesn't make any sense at all.
You seem smart, so shouldn't you know that God loves everyone? Why wouldn't he help?If he loves people, why is he willing to send them to eternal suffering for not following his rules, even for one minor transgression? Unconditional love doesn't mean eternal suffering for not doing what you say. That's the problem of evil. Let's see you navigate these murky waters, ones that several great philosophers couldn't navigate that well, if at all.
[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]The fact that there is no way they could have build those pyramids witht he materials they had. You need cranes for something like that.
Hewkii
No, you need thousands of slaves dying for that. And again, the Egyptians didn't believe in the Christian God at the time the pyramids were built. So why would he help them build tombs for their pharaohs that honour heathen Gods? Isn't there a commandment that specificially forbids that? It doesn't make any sense at all.
and if you believe the Moses story then the slaves were the Jews.
From something on Biblical history the Jews weren't actually slaves, more like mercenaries who had lost status... at least at the time of Moses.
[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]The fact that there is no way they could have build those pyramids witht he materials they had. You need cranes for something like that.
Sooshy
No, you need thousands of slaves dying for that. And again, the Egyptians didn't believe in the Christian God at the time the pyramids were built. So why would he help them build tombs for their pharaohs that honour heathen Gods? Isn't there a commandment that specificially forbids that? It doesn't make any sense at all.
You seem smart, so shouldn't you know that God loves everyone? Why wouldn't he help?God helps rapists and murderers. You heard it from Sooshy first, only here, exclusively on GameSpot OT.
First of all, I don't think this board is here to recruit people to your religion. It's for discussion, and that's what we're doing. I can have my opinions and you can have yours.
Secondly, I'm not doing it a disservice because I am arguing for it. So many people are saying it's wrong and so little saying it's right. Like most things, the truth is an uphill battle, I'm afraid, but it's worth it to get people to ackknowledge God's existance.
Sooshy
I don't think you understand - the manner by which you're arguing is the problem, and whether you realize it or not, you're doing your religion a disservice. You're really no different from the loud-mouthed atheist that you resent so deeply, except you're arguing from the other side. Brashly dismissing counter arguments, patronizing, threatening, and so forth aren't going to win you or your beliefs any friends. All it does is make you seem like an unintelligent fanatic, which gives your opponents even more ammunition to discredit your arguments.
Without intending offense, I really think you should let yourself mature a bit before you go about trying to change people's minds. You wouldn't have made the topic if that hadn't been your goal. And dude - it's not working...
[QUOTE="Sooshy"]This old book which millions have people have believed for centuries? There's a reason why it has succeeded and other books have failed and gotten lost in time.
Hewkii
a little man named Constantine.
and a place called The Vatican[QUOTE="kruesader"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]Tomorrow is Sunday. I'll confess about it tomorrow.
Sooshy
That isn't how it works bro. You've been flaming people here from the get go, and I think you know full well you're doing it. You're supposed to be consciously avoiding that. If you're not, you're not really honouring your religious beliefs. In fact, you're doing your religion a great disservice by portraying it in an extremely negative light, which will drive others further away rather than bring them towards it.
First of all, I don't think this board is here to recruit people to your religion. It's for discussion, and that's what we're doing. I can have my opinions and you can have yours.Secondly, I'm not doing it a disservice because I am arguing for it. So many people are saying it's wrong and so little saying it's right. Like most things, the truth is an uphill battle, I'm afraid, but it's worth it to get people to ackknowledge God's existance.
Your truth seems to consist of the weakest argument I have ever seen.
"This old book says it so it must be true"
This old book which millions have people have believed for centuries? There's a reason why it has succeeded and other books have failed and gotten lost in time.I don't see how that validates it as proof. There are plenty of other religious texts which you reject. Books which have been around for a long time.
[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Frattracide"]Interestingly enough, it also proves the world is flat. Frattracide
Nevermind that people have known for thousands of years that the world is not flat, and the Bible makes no such claim.
Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)
Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from any place. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.
The flat Earth is established and can never move?! The Sun hurries back to where it rises?!
The Psalm 104:5 and Ecclesiastes 1:5 verses from the Bible in this section were sent to me by Abdullah Bisyir; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"
"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"
The Earth has pillars?!
"He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)"
"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)"
The Earth has Edges?!
"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"
"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"
"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (From the NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"
"Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job 11:9)"
Ha ha. One inaccuracy in the bible is equal to a million inaccuracies. A perfect book should have no errors, and this revelation itself debunks the bible as being perfect, therefore every religion that uses it as it's foundation is also imperfect. It proves you can't trust religion or the bible. It gives one good reason to be an atheist.
It's the roots are poisoned, so must be the branches.
[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]The fact that there is no way they could have build those pyramids witht he materials they had. You need cranes for something like that.
SolidSnake35
No, you need thousands of slaves dying for that. And again, the Egyptians didn't believe in the Christian God at the time the pyramids were built. So why would he help them build tombs for their pharaohs that honour heathen Gods? Isn't there a commandment that specificially forbids that? It doesn't make any sense at all.
You seem smart, so shouldn't you know that God loves everyone? Why wouldn't he help?God helps rapists and murderers. You heard it from Sooshy first, only here, exclusively on GameSpot OT.Putting words in my mouth? Thought you'd be more mature than that...
Difference between helping an entire race build a structure that;s been their goal for a long time and helping a murderer hurt someone.
[QUOTE="kruesader"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]Tomorrow is Sunday. I'll confess about it tomorrow.
Sooshy
That isn't how it works bro. You've been flaming people here from the get go, and I think you know full well you're doing it. You're supposed to be consciously avoiding that. If you're not, you're not really honouring your religious beliefs. In fact, you're doing your religion a great disservice by portraying it in an extremely negative light, which will drive others further away rather than bring them towards it.
First of all, I don't think this board is here to recruit people to your religion. It's for discussion, and that's what we're doing. I can have my opinions and you can have yours.Secondly, I'm not doing it a disservice because I am arguing for it. So many people are saying it's wrong and so little saying it's right. Like most things, the truth is an uphill battle, I'm afraid, but it's worth it to get people to ackknowledge God's existance.
Your truth seems to consist of the weakest argument I have ever seen.
"This old book says it so it must be true"
This old book which millions have people have believed for centuries? There's a reason why it has succeeded and other books have failed and gotten lost in time.Then why are atheist themes becoming more mainstream? Thats like saying Hitler succeeded in killing Jews, it must have been right"
and if you believe the Moses story then the slaves were the Jews.
Hewkii
Indeed. It makes the notion even more absurd. God allowed his chosen people to be enslaved so they could build pyramids to honour heathen gods. Again, that just doesn't make any sense. The pyramids are not in any way proof of Christianity.
[QUOTE="Frattracide"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Frattracide"]Interestingly enough, it also proves the world is flat. Deity_Slapper
Nevermind that people have known for thousands of years that the world is not flat, and the Bible makes no such claim.
Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)
Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from any place. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.
The flat Earth is established and can never move?! The Sun hurries back to where it rises?!
The Psalm 104:5 and Ecclesiastes 1:5 verses from the Bible in this section were sent to me by Abdullah Bisyir; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"
"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"
The Earth has pillars?!
"He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)"
"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)"
The Earth has Edges?!
"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"
"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"
"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (From the NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"
"Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job 11:9)"
Ha ha. One inaccuracy in the bible is equal to a million inaccuracies. A perfect book should have no errors, and this revelation itself debunks the bible as being perfect, therefore every religion that uses it as it's foundation is also imperfect. It proves you can't trust religion or the bible. It gives one good reason to be an atheist.
It's the roots are poisoned, so must be the branches.
Their counter argument is that these versus are metaphors. I don't think they were intend to be but, whatever.
But saying that means that we have no free will. And saying that God and the Devil have puppet strings in our minds begs questions like "who's responsible during exams" and "was it God or Satan that invented guns"?Next time you're at the store and see a candy bar, but have no money. When you think about stealing it, it's the devil, but the reason you don't is because of God. We call have this in our minds.
Sooshy
[QUOTE="Frattracide"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Frattracide"]Interestingly enough, it also proves the world is flat. Deity_Slapper
Nevermind that people have known for thousands of years that the world is not flat, and the Bible makes no such claim.
Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)
Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from any place. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.
The flat Earth is established and can never move?! The Sun hurries back to where it rises?!
The Psalm 104:5 and Ecclesiastes 1:5 verses from the Bible in this section were sent to me by Abdullah Bisyir; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"
"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"
The Earth has pillars?!
"He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)"
"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)"
The Earth has Edges?!
"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"
"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"
"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (From the NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"
"Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job 11:9)"
Ha ha. One inaccuracy in the bible is equal to a million inaccuracies. A perfect book should have no errors, and this revelation itself debunks the bible as being perfect, therefore every religion that uses it as it's foundation is also imperfect. It proves you can't trust religion or the bible. It gives one good reason to be an atheist.
It's the roots are poisoned, so must be the branches.
do these invalidate the value of the new testament as a historical document?[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]The fact that there is no way they could have build those pyramids witht he materials they had. You need cranes for something like that.
Sooshy
No, you need thousands of slaves dying for that. And again, the Egyptians didn't believe in the Christian God at the time the pyramids were built. So why would he help them build tombs for their pharaohs that honour heathen Gods? Isn't there a commandment that specificially forbids that? It doesn't make any sense at all.
You seem smart, so shouldn't you know that God loves everyone? Why wouldn't he help?God helps rapists and murderers. You heard it from Sooshy first, only here, exclusively on GameSpot OT.Putting words in my mouth? Thought you'd be more mature than that...
Difference between helping an entire race build a structure that;s been their goal for a long time and helping a murderer hurt someone.
You? Speaking of maturity? The irony....its overwhelming...
If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moonPsychosisrainGod is not of the natural. He is not bound by physical laws, and as such he is un-provable in the empirical sense. You may feel that god is with you, or you may believe that you've witnessed a miracle. Whilst that may be proof enough for you, what you believe is not proof to the rest of the world.
I appreciate you handling the discussion maturely, unlike some people (SolidSnake).I don't think you understand - the manner by which you're arguing is the problem, and whether you realize it or not, you're doing your religion a disservice. You're really no different from the loud-mouthed atheist that you resent so deeply, except you're arguing from the other side. Brashly dismissing counter arguments, patronizing, threatening, and so forth aren't going to win you or your beliefs any friends. All it does is make you seem like an unintelligent fanatic, which gives your opponents even more ammunition to discredit your arguments.
Without intending offense, I really think you should let yourself mature a bit before you go about trying to change people's minds. You wouldn't have made the topic if that hadn't been your goal. And dude - it's not working...
pianist
I understand what you're saying, but this is discussion for a message board. I'm not parading in New York City streets screaming "BELIEVE IN GOD! It'S WHAT'S RIGHT!" you know? This thread is going to die and never be read again, so it's not meant to actually convert people.
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]The fact that there is no way they could have build those pyramids witht he materials they had. You need cranes for something like that.
Sooshy
No, you need thousands of slaves dying for that. And again, the Egyptians didn't believe in the Christian God at the time the pyramids were built. So why would he help them build tombs for their pharaohs that honour heathen Gods? Isn't there a commandment that specificially forbids that? It doesn't make any sense at all.
You seem smart, so shouldn't you know that God loves everyone? Why wouldn't he help?God helps rapists and murderers. You heard it from Sooshy first, only here, exclusively on GameSpot OT.Putting words in my mouth? Thought you'd be more mature than that...
Difference between helping an entire race build a structure that;s been their goal for a long time and helping a murderer hurt someone.
Are you still arguing that the Christian god helped heathen Egyptians build the pyramids? If God is supposed to love everyone, as you so claim, wouldn't that also include people who kill others, or in very general terms those who do harm to others?[QUOTE="Hewkii"]and if you believe the Moses story then the slaves were the Jews.
pianist
Indeed. It makes the notion even more absurd. God allowed his chosen people to be enslaved so they could build pyramids to honour heathen gods. Again, that just doesn't make any sense. The pyramids are not in any way proof of Christianity.
And on the chosen people thing, why would God put his chosen people through a lot of horrible suffering? I think we all know where I'd go with this, so I'll let you fill in the gap.
But saying that means that we have no free will. And saying that God and the Devil have puppet strings in our minds begs questions like "who's responsible during exams" and "was it God or Satan that invented guns"?Not puppet strings. Just their voice telling you to do something. You don't have to do what they say.[QUOTE="Sooshy"]
Next time you're at the store and see a candy bar, but have no money. When you think about stealing it, it's the devil, but the reason you don't is because of God. We call have this in our minds.
AirGuitarist87
We just watched a video about that in science. Thought the same thing. "There was an infinitely small ball of gases, etc. Then it exploded." How did it get there in the first place? Something made it.if God does not exist, how then, was the universe created????
The Big Bang Theory: In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. :P
harashawn
if God does not exist, how then, was the universe created????
The Big Bang Theory: In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. :P
harashawn
You assume that the lack of a concrete conclusion of the origin of the universe proves your deity?
[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="Frattracide"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Frattracide"]Interestingly enough, it also proves the world is flat. Frattracide
Nevermind that people have known for thousands of years that the world is not flat, and the Bible makes no such claim.
Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)
Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from any place. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.
The flat Earth is established and can never move?! The Sun hurries back to where it rises?!
The Psalm 104:5 and Ecclesiastes 1:5 verses from the Bible in this section were sent to me by Abdullah Bisyir; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"
"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"
The Earth has pillars?!
"He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)"
"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)"
The Earth has Edges?!
"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"
"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"
"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (From the NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"
"Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job 11:9)"
Ha ha. One inaccuracy in the bible is equal to a million inaccuracies. A perfect book should have no errors, and this revelation itself debunks the bible as being perfect, therefore every religion that uses it as it's foundation is also imperfect. It proves you can't trust religion or the bible. It gives one good reason to be an atheist.
It's the roots are poisoned, so must be the branches.
Their counter argument is that these versus are metaphors. I don't think they were intend to be but, whatever.
That counter arguement makes me wonder why they follow it at all then? Or follow religion? If it's all just metaphors, then one would want to make his own meaning from the metaphors for his own personal inspiration to draw from...not sitting in a building having someone else pound their interperetation of the metaphors into their heads to become their own. And if that's the case, it proves that most christians don't think for themselves, and only let a few do the thinking for all of them.
Their is no proof. That's why its called faith. If God just came down and said "Hey, I'm real," every one would believe in him just to reap the rewards. And I don't know why Atheists try so hard to disprove him, current Christianity doesn't hurt anyone. Guiltfeeder566
And here I though you were a atheist .......
[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]
Next time you're at the store and see a candy bar, but have no money. When you think about stealing it, it's the devil, but the reason you don't is because of God. We call have this in our minds.
Sooshy
But saying that means that we have no free will. And saying that God and the Devil have puppet strings in our minds begs questions like "who's responsible during exams" and "was it God or Satan that invented guns"?
Not puppet strings. Just their voice telling you to do something. You don't have to do what they say.So does that mean God is not all powerful? That he is not omnipotent?
[QUOTE="pianist"]I appreciate you handling the discussion maturely, unlike some people (SolidSnake).I don't think you understand - the manner by which you're arguing is the problem, and whether you realize it or not, you're doing your religion a disservice. You're really no different from the loud-mouthed atheist that you resent so deeply, except you're arguing from the other side. Brashly dismissing counter arguments, patronizing, threatening, and so forth aren't going to win you or your beliefs any friends. All it does is make you seem like an unintelligent fanatic, which gives your opponents even more ammunition to discredit your arguments.
Without intending offense, I really think you should let yourself mature a bit before you go about trying to change people's minds. You wouldn't have made the topic if that hadn't been your goal. And dude - it's not working...
Sooshy
I understand what you're saying, but this is discussion for a message board. I'm not parading in New York City streets screaming "BELIEVE IN GOD! It'S WHAT'S RIGHT!" you know? This thread is going to die and never be read again, so it's not meant to actually convert people.
Then why did you make it, you just seem to be making yourself appear foolish.
[QUOTE="Sooshy"]Putting words in my mouth? Thought you'd be more mature than that... Difference between helping an entire race build a structure that;s been their goal for a long time and helping a murderer hurt someone.SolidSnake35I alter my maturity to suit my audience. ^_^ You said, why wouldn't he help. Why wouldn't he help many people break a commandment. Well, murder is also breaking a commandment. Same thing. Why wouldn't he help? Anyway, since it's God, he can help the murderer AND the victim simultaneously. Don't ask how. We mustn't question him.Whatever, man. Egyptians as a culture wanted to build something great, and they didn't have the means to do so, so God hleped them. If some dude wants to hurt or rape a woman, why would God help that?
[QUOTE="Sooshy"]
Next time you're at the store and see a candy bar, but have no money. When you think about stealing it, it's the devil, but the reason you don't is because of God. We call have this in our minds.
AirGuitarist87
But saying that means that we have no free will. And saying that God and the Devil have puppet strings in our minds begs questions like "who's responsible during exams" and "was it God or Satan that invented guns"?
PEOPLE invented guns. duh!!! Although i do believe in God, i do not believe he or the devil have any control over our thoughts.
[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]
Next time you're at the store and see a candy bar, but have no money. When you think about stealing it, it's the devil, but the reason you don't is because of God. We call have this in our minds.
Video_Game_King
But saying that means that we have no free will. And saying that God and the Devil have puppet strings in our minds begs questions like "who's responsible during exams" and "was it God or Satan that invented guns"?
Not puppet strings. Just their voice telling you to do something. You don't have to do what they say.So does that mean God is not all powerful? That he is not omnipotent?
If God wanted to, he could make you do whatever he wanted. The fact that he gives you the choice when he could control you is what makes him great.Are you still arguing that the Christian god helped heathen Egyptians build the pyramids? If God is supposed to love everyone, as you so claim, wouldn't that also include people who kill others, or in very general terms those who do harm to others?
MattUD1
GOd of christianity doesnt say one sin is worse than the other. They are all evil and detestable by God. So if God were to not love murderers he would have to not love everyone. The God of christianity doesnt love you based on what you do, good or bad, he loves you for you.
I can't speak for Sooshy, but i don't think the Christian God helped the egyptians make their temples and such.
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