Here is Proof that God Exists

[QUOTE="Gigagamer2"]

yes, all books are always 100% truthful

Sooshy

[QUOTE="el_carl"]This thread, like most religious threads, fails. You cannot prove or disprove a religion. A religion is based on faith, and faith is something that you cannot prove. End of discussion.Sooshy

[QUOTE="lobodob"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

Here you go, proof of the lack of gods existence. But you all knew that, right?

kirk4ever

i lost respect for him after he said "religion is BS" atleast 10 times.... i mean i firmly believe in respecting others opinions but why attacks others for their beliefs...what has religion done to him? i can also easily debate with him and also pwn and BUt he will pwn me back and it will go baCK AND FORTH 100 TIMES...THAT is the point of religion to me...to have faith and you say why be a slave of a magical being that does not exist? well i am not a slave..i just follow someone who hasnt told me to work hard or do anything bad..he/it/she has told me to follow good morals and help pthers and care for my friends and etc....

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Frattracide"][

Or maybe those passages are reflecting a commonly held belief that the earth was flat. I'm gonna go ahead and say that the authors of those passages literally thought the earth was flat considering it was the norm at the time..

Frattracide

How many times do you need to be told that people have known for thousands of years how the Earth is shaped?

Yet the church maintained it was flat.

I thought they maintained that it was a random orb in a geocentric universe :??

But the answers aren't there. There's no empirical evidence in that book, and that is proof. Without physical evidence, you may as well be talking about another work of fiction. Seriously, the only thing that is going to confirm that God exists (and that the Biblical view of God is correct) is if God makes a tangible appearance and states that the Bible is correct.pianist

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Frattracide"][

Or maybe those passages are reflecting a commonly held belief that the earth was flat. I'm gonna go ahead and say that the authors of those passages literally thought the earth was flat considering it was the norm at the time..

Frattracide

How many times do you need to be told that people have known for thousands of years how the Earth is shaped?

Yet the church maintained it was flat.

No it did not. The Church NEVER taught a flat earth as an official statement; it WAS believed by some officials a VERY long time ago, but it was never taught, practised or official.

[QUOTE="kruesader"]

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]if it's a lie, don't you think God would have corrected it by now? He wouldn't just let us all go on believe the wrong things about him.Sooshy

Islam has overtaken Roman Catholicism to become the world's largest single religious denomination, according to L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper.timesonline

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As is the Vatican newspaper and every other news outlet in the world?

[QUOTE="Gigagamer2"]

yes, all books are always 100% truthful

Sooshy

the fact that it is more than a mellinia or so old is futher proof towards the inaccuracies it is bound to contain.

[QUOTE="kirk4ever"][QUOTE="lobodob"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

Here you go, proof of the lack of gods existence. But you all knew that, right?

lobodob

i lost respect for him after he said "religion is BS" atleast 10 times.... i mean i firmly believe in respecting others opinions but why attacks others for their beliefs...what has religion done to him? i can also easily debate with him and also pwn and BUt he will pwn me back and it will go baCK AND FORTH 100 TIMES...THAT is the point of religion to me...to have faith and you say why be a slave of a magical being that does not exist? well i am not a slave..i just follow someone who hasnt told me to work hard or do anything bad..he/it/she has told me to follow good morals and help pthers and care for my friends and etc....

Yeah, that point has never been brought up before.:roll:

[QUOTE="Frattracide"][QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"][QUOTE="Frattracide"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Frattracide"]Interestingly enough, it also proves the world is flat.

*facepalm*

You are looking at it really wrong. The earth doesn't literally have corners, its referring to the cultural centers of humanity. ie, The English Empire had a stretched to the four corners of the earth.

Its not literally shaking the world foundations, that's just a figure of speech. For example, " The offensive use of nuclear weapons shook the foundations of the world." Its not literally shaking the world, its a major event or disaster.

el_carl

Or maybe those passages are reflecting a commonly held belief that the earth was flat. I'm gonna go ahead and say that the authors of those passages literally thought the earth was flat considering it was the norm at the time..

My friend, I do not believe in anything. I am a skeptic. I ask for evidence. I am not open minded, I am critical minded.

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="el_carl"]This thread, like most religious threads, fails. You cannot prove or disprove a religion. A religion is based on faith, and faith is something that you cannot prove. End of discussion.el_carl

Because believing that there is an omnipotent being that sets up rules for you to follow and is always infinitely better than you in every possible way is quite the ego boost.

Dracargen

To 'know' the answer to every question, and to expect a reward for obedience in life after death is a great comfort. And it IS an ego boost for us to believe that the creator of the universe has a vested interest in our well-being and looks out for us. It makes you feel special - unfortunately, that feeling may well be based on nothing more than a fantasy.

[QUOTE="el_carl"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="el_carl"]This thread, like most religious threads, fails. You cannot prove or disprove a religion. A religion is based on faith, and faith is something that you cannot prove. End of discussion.SolidSnake35

That explains why we're the only beings in the world with cognitive though. Wait, nope. It doesn't explain that at all.
Sooshy

the Echidna and Platypus are the only mammals that lay eggs. why is that?

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="el_carl"]This thread, like most religious threads, fails. You cannot prove or disprove a religion. A religion is based on faith, and faith is something that you cannot prove. End of discussion.el_carl

Religion is based on proof because there are things that really happened! Jesus was real. Look at the pyramids in Egypt, who the heck built those?

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="kruesader"]

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]if it's a lie, don't you think God would have corrected it by now? He wouldn't just let us all go on believe the wrong things about him.kruesader

Islam has overtaken Roman Catholicism to become the world's largest single religious denomination, according to L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper.timesonline

Link

As is the Vatican newspaper and every other news outlet in the world?

[QUOTE="kirk4ever"][QUOTE="lobodob"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

Here you go, proof of the lack of gods existence. But you all knew that, right?

lobodob

i lost respect for him after he said "religion is BS" atleast 10 times.... i mean i firmly believe in respecting others opinions but why attacks others for their beliefs...what has religion done to him? i can also easily debate with him and also pwn and BUt he will pwn me back and it will go baCK AND FORTH 100 TIMES...THAT is the point of religion to me...to have faith and you say why be a slave of a magical being that does not exist? well i am not a slave..i just follow someone who hasnt told me to work hard or do anything bad..he/it/she has told me to follow good morals and help pthers and care for my friends and etc....

define "the world sucks".....

this is mans free will and what he has chosen....this is the path he has walked..the rule he has followed...if god fixed everything that would be a perfect world and then creation would have no point...besides as i said we can argue over and over and reach nothing....

[QUOTE="pianist"]But the answers aren't there. There's no empirical evidence in that book, and that is proof. Without physical evidence, you may as well be talking about another work of fiction. Seriously, the only thing that is going to confirm that God exists (and that the Biblical view of God is correct) is if God makes a tangible appearance and states that the Bible is correct.Sooshy

[QUOTE="Sooshy"]That explains why we're the only beings in the world with cognitive though. Wait, nope. It doesn't explain that at all.
Hewkii

the Echidna and Platypus are the only mammals that lay eggs. why is that?

Facepalm

[QUOTE="lobodob"][QUOTE="kirk4ever"][QUOTE="lobodob"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

Here you go, proof of the lack of gods existence. But you all knew that, right?

Dracargen

i lost respect for him after he said "religion is BS" atleast 10 times.... i mean i firmly believe in respecting others opinions but why attacks others for their beliefs...what has religion done to him? i can also easily debate with him and also pwn and BUt he will pwn me back and it will go baCK AND FORTH 100 TIMES...THAT is the point of religion to me...to have faith and you say why be a slave of a magical being that does not exist? well i am not a slave..i just follow someone who hasnt told me to work hard or do anything bad..he/it/she has told me to follow good morals and help pthers and care for my friends and etc....

Yeah, that point has never been brought up before.:roll:

And he will make an appearance. And when he does, I'm going to come on here and LOL at everyone for the mass ownage
Sooshy

We shall see. I would humbly suggest that God probably doesn't like the idea of you taking pleasure in the damnation of others.

[QUOTE="el_carl"][QUOTE="Frattracide"][QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"][QUOTE="Frattracide"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Frattracide"]Interestingly enough, it also proves the world is flat.

*facepalm*

You are looking at it really wrong. The earth doesn't literally have corners, its referring to the cultural centers of humanity. ie, The English Empire had a stretched to the four corners of the earth.

Its not literally shaking the world foundations, that's just a figure of speech. For example, " The offensive use of nuclear weapons shook the foundations of the world." Its not literally shaking the world, its a major event or disaster.

Frattracide

Or maybe those passages are reflecting a commonly held belief that the earth was flat. I'm gonna go ahead and say that the authors of those passages literally thought the earth was flat considering it was the norm at the time..

My friend, I do not believe in anything. I am a skeptic. I ask for evidence. I am not open minded, I am critical minded.

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="pianist"]But the answers aren't there. There's no empirical evidence in that book, and that is proof. Without physical evidence, you may as well be talking about another work of fiction. Seriously, the only thing that is going to confirm that God exists (and that the Biblical view of God is correct) is if God makes a tangible appearance and states that the Bible is correct.SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="Frattracide"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Frattracide"][

Or maybe those passages are reflecting a commonly held belief that the earth was flat. I'm gonna go ahead and say that the authors of those passages literally thought the earth was flat considering it was the norm at the time..

Video_Game_King

How many times do you need to be told that people have known for thousands of years how the Earth is shaped?

Yet the church maintained it was flat.

I thought they maintained that it was a random orb in a geocentric universe :??

I though it was believed the earth was in an ocean supported by pillars, covered by a dome.

Edit: I'm talking about the early, early church. Not the medieval church.

HERE THE EVIDENCE:FAITH what the heck has religion ever done to you guys? pspdseagle

Its done some bad things for humanity. Inquisitions, manifest destiny, the Holocaust, a lot of the crap in the Middle Ages, witch hunts, sectarian violence in the middle east, the Pakistan/India thing (I think), Darfur, there's quite a lot of stuff I could list that I could blame religion for.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Because believing that there is an omnipotent being that sets up rules for you to follow and is always infinitely better than you in every possible way is quite the ego boost.

pianist

To 'know' the answer to every question, and to expect a reward for obedience in life after death is a great comfort. And it IS an ego boost for us to believe that the creator of the universe has a vested interest in our well-being and looks out for us. It makes you feel special - unfortunately, that feeling may well be based on nothing more than a fantasy.

I don't think anyone with a sense of logic claims to know the answer to every question. . . .

The the dude comparing games to the bible: You're comparing something that has been around for a few decades to something--the bible--that has been around for a million years. Fail.

Where does it prove that the world is flat? How do you know it just isn't interpeted wrong? It wasn't written in English, you know.

Sooshy

million years???? what?? the bible isnt that old.

I'm not insulting you. You just try to make yourself sound more important than everyone else with your "Discussion ended" crap.

Religion is based on proof because there are things that really happened! Jesus was real. Look at the pyramids in Egypt, who the heck built those?

Sooshy

The Egyptians. At the time they were worshipping a number of different gods. I fail to see how that proves Christianity...

[QUOTE="Sooshy"]And he will make an appearance. And when he does, I'm going to come on here and LOL at everyone for the mass ownage
pianist

We shall see. I would humbly suggest that God probably doesn't like the idea of you taking pleasure in the damnation of others.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Frattracide"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Frattracide"][

Or maybe those passages are reflecting a commonly held belief that the earth was flat. I'm gonna go ahead and say that the authors of those passages literally thought the earth was flat considering it was the norm at the time..

Frattracide

How many times do you need to be told that people have known for thousands of years how the Earth is shaped?

Yet the church maintained it was flat.

I thought they maintained that it was a random orb in a geocentric universe :??

I though it was believed the earth was in an ocean supported by pillars, covered by a dome.

You have the Bible, I have Shakespeare.

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]HERE THE EVIDENCE:FAITH what the heck has religion ever done to you guys? Video_Game_King

Its done some bad things for humanity. Inquisitions, manifest destiny, the Holocaust, a lot of the crap in the Middle Ages, witch hunts, sectarian violence in the middle east, the Pakistan/India thing (I think), Darfur, there's quite a lot of stuff I could list that I could blame religion for.

all of THAT=GREED POWER MONEY AND MANKIND not religion but in the FALSE NAME OF RELIGION......just like people say video games kill....

Because god wanted their baby's to be more protected? I don't f'ing know. Ask your biology teacher.
Sooshy

the answer is precisely the same reason why humans have cognative thought and this thing is still alive.

I though it was believed the earth was in an ocean supported by pillars, covered by a dome.

Frattracide

Of course you base this belief on metaphors we still use this day.

Did you read the responces to your copy/pasted verses?

[QUOTE="Sooshy"]

I'm not insulting you. You just try to make yourself sound more important than everyone else with your "Discussion ended" crap.

Religion is based on proof because there are things that really happened! Jesus was real. Look at the pyramids in Egypt, who the heck built those?

pianist

The Egyptians. At the time they were worshipping a number of different gods. I fail to see how that proves Christianity...

[QUOTE="kruesader"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="kruesader"]

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]if it's a lie, don't you think God would have corrected it by now? He wouldn't just let us all go on believe the wrong things about him.pspdseagle

Islam has overtaken Roman Catholicism to become the world's largest single religious denomination, according to L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper.timesonline

Link

As is the Vatican newspaper and every other news outlet in the world?

What? Seroously, what?

[QUOTE="lobodob"][QUOTE="kirk4ever"][QUOTE="lobodob"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

Here you go, proof of the lack of gods existence. But you all knew that, right?

kirk4ever

i lost respect for him after he said "religion is BS" atleast 10 times.... i mean i firmly believe in respecting others opinions but why attacks others for their beliefs...what has religion done to him? i can also easily debate with him and also pwn and BUt he will pwn me back and it will go baCK AND FORTH 100 TIMES...THAT is the point of religion to me...to have faith and you say why be a slave of a magical being that does not exist? well i am not a slave..i just follow someone who hasnt told me to work hard or do anything bad..he/it/she has told me to follow good morals and help pthers and care for my friends and etc....

define "the world sucks".....

this is mans free will and what he has chosen....this is the path he has walked..the rule he has followed...if god fixed everything that would be a perfect world and then creation would have no point...besides as i said we can argue over and over and reach nothing....

I don't think he's going to have room in hell for me with all the people pretending he doesn't exist. Sooshy

Tomorrow is Sunday. I'll confess about it tomorrow.
Sooshy

That isn't how it works bro. You've been flaming people here from the get go, and I think you know full well you're doing it. You're supposed to be consciously avoiding that. If you're not, you're not really honouring your religious beliefs. In fact, you're doing your religion a great disservice by portraying it in an extremely negative light, which will drive others further away rather than bring them towards it.

[QUOTE="Sooshy"]Because god wanted their baby's to be more protected? I don't f'ing know. Ask your biology teacher.
Hewkii

the answer is precisely the same reason why humans have cognative thought and this thing is still alive.

[QUOTE="pianist"]

[QUOTE="Sooshy"]And he will make an appearance. And when he does, I'm going to come on here and LOL at everyone for the mass ownage
Sooshy

We shall see. I would humbly suggest that God probably doesn't like the idea of you taking pleasure in the damnation of others.

[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]

I'm not insulting you. You just try to make yourself sound more important than everyone else with your "Discussion ended" crap.

Religion is based on proof because there are things that really happened! Jesus was real. Look at the pyramids in Egypt, who the heck built those?

Sooshy

The Egyptians. At the time they were worshipping a number of different gods. I fail to see how that proves Christianity...

They used ramps and rollers to move cut blocks up to the top of the pyramids, nothing divine there. Bad luck.

[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]

I'm not insulting you. You just try to make yourself sound more important than everyone else with your "Discussion ended" crap.

Religion is based on proof because there are things that really happened! Jesus was real. Look at the pyramids in Egypt, who the heck built those?

Sooshy

The Egyptians. At the time they were worshipping a number of different gods. I fail to see how that proves Christianity...

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]HERE THE EVIDENCE:FAITH what the heck has religion ever done to you guys? Video_Game_King

Its done some bad things for humanity. Inquisitions, manifest destiny, the Holocaust, a lot of the crap in the Middle Ages, witch hunts, sectarian violence in the middle east, the Pakistan/India thing (I think), Darfur, there's quite a lot of stuff I could list that I could blame religion for.

Wow.

The Holocaust? How in the world can anyone possibly blame the Holocaust on religion? Hitler didn't even follow a specific religion (although he like Arianism)!

There are three things I could blame atheism for, with your logic, and they would overlap all 123 bad things religion has ever done.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]HERE THE EVIDENCE:FAITH what the heck has religion ever done to you guys? kirk4ever

Its done some bad things for humanity. Inquisitions, manifest destiny, the Holocaust, a lot of the crap in the Middle Ages, witch hunts, sectarian violence in the middle east, the Pakistan/India thing (I think), Darfur, there's quite a lot of stuff I could list that I could blame religion for.

all of THAT=GREED POWER MONEY AND MANKIND not religion but in the FALSE NAME OF RELIGION......just like people say video games kill....

Religion was still used as motivation. How can you possibly say that the witch hunts, the Inquisitions and the Sunni/Shiite controversy aren't heavily saturated with religion?

I'm not insulting you. You just try to make yourself sound more important than everyone else with your "Discussion ended" crap.

Religion is based on proof because there are things that really happened! Jesus was real. Look at the pyramids in Egypt, who the heck built those?

Sooshy

Dude I may be a believer in God, but the examples you are giving out would never be able to convince a skeptic. What does Jesus and the Pyramids have to do in common?

[QUOTE="el_carl"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="el_carl"]This thread, like most religious threads, fails. You cannot prove or disprove a religion. A religion is based on faith, and faith is something that you cannot prove. End of discussion.Sooshy

Religion is based on proof because there are things that really happened! Jesus was real. Look at the pyramids in Egypt, who the heck built those?