Hey you Atheist... Explain ghosts!

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]I'm sorry, I didn't know that seeking the truth wasn't virtuous. I guess I should go slap Aristotle now.AnnoyedDragon

Truth is important, but it has to be prioritized.

Quality of life, saving lives, betterment of civilization...

By all means go closet monster hunting, but don't do so at the expensive of something like treating cancer or growing sustainable food sources.

Time and resources are finite, distribute them too much and you hurt progress.

Why should atheists have to explain something that has not been proven to exist? Seems silly to me.

Hey you believers... Explain why you keep bullying atheists with absurd topics!Topic Title fixed

Velocitas8

Edit: I hate this fourm software. It won't allow me to quote someones pic.

[QUOTE="Topic Title fixed"]Hey you believers... Explain why you keep bullying atheists with absurd topics!ghoklebutter

Thanks for your sympathy.

[QUOTE="leperphiliac"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

There are Pictures, Look up "Bleeding Host".

Snipes_2

You saw the Bleeding Host? The Host is a Representation of the Body of Jesus.

Seeing as there were no Cameras BAck then, where would an artist formulate this exact Image? Why are there so many similar paintings of God, they all represent the same image? Did all the artists copy this one Image?

Dude, if this is suppose to be your hard evidence, I will lol.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Sorry didn't find any pictures of god.leperphiliac

You saw the Bleeding Host? The Host is a Representation of the Body of Jesus.

Seeing as there were no Cameras BAck then, where would an artist formulate this exact Image? Why are there so many similar paintings of God, they all represent the same image? Did all the artists copy this one Image?

Dude, if this is suppose to be your hard evidence, I will lol.

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

alexside1

Edit: I hate this fourm software. It won't allow me to quote someones pic.

Illogical? Yes. Faith is illogical by nature. It doesn't need evidence. It doesn't need proof.

Idiots? Only the people who try and explain their faith with logic and reasoning. The rest are fine by me.

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[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

Velocitas8

Edit: I hate this fourm software. It won't allow me to quote someones pic.

Illogical? Yes. Faith is illogical by nature. It doesn't need evidence. It doesn't need proof.

Idiots? Only the people who try and explain their faith with logic and reasoning.

Congratulation you just label every religious person (or not) who has some form of faith as idiots. With THAT kind of attitude like that. I consider to be a waste of time when debating someone who has one.alexside1

Then you obviously didn't understand my post. I never said people of faith are idiots.

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[QUOTE="alexside1"] I love it when people post pics that label religious people as illogical idiots.

Edit: I hate this fourm software. It won't allow me to quote someones pic.

alexside1

Illogical? Yes. Faith is illogical by nature. It doesn't need evidence. It doesn't need proof.

Idiots? Only the people who try and explain their faith with logic and reasoning.

OBVIOUSLY ghosts exist

also.... in accordance to all such arguments... "prove x doesn't exist!" you CANNOT prove that something does not exist. it is impossible. chopperdave447

OBVIOUSLY ghosts exist

imran753

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

Illogical? Yes. Faith is illogical by nature. It doesn't need evidence. It doesn't need proof.

Idiots? Only the people who try and explain their faith with logic and reasoning.

chopperdave447

Where do I disagree with his statement in my previous? Do you agree with his statement that people with some form of faith as idiots?alexside1

I never even came close to saying that. Learn to read.

Or are you just trolling?

[QUOTE="alexside1"]Where do I disagree with his statement in my previous? Do you agree with his statement that people with some form of faith as idiots?Velocitas8

I never even came close to saying that. Learn to read.

Or are you just trolling?

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]Where do I disagree with his statement in my previous? Do you agree with his statement that people with some form of faith as idiots?alexside1

I never even came close to saying that. Learn to read.

Or are you just trolling?

A person of logic can also have faith..

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Isn't the fact that people tend to label illogical people as idiots?Velocitas8

A person of logic can also have faith..

Illogical? Yes. Faith is illogical by nature. It doesn't need evidence. It doesn't need proof.

Ok now your just contracting yourself.

Ok now your just contracting yourself.alexside1

Are you trying to imply that a single person cannot possibly be capable of both thoughtful reasoning and faith?

A person of logic can have faith as long as he doesn't try and apply logic/reasoning to the subject of his faith. Something you have "faith" in cannot be proven, by definition of the word itself. If it can be proven, it is NOT "faith" ..so only an idiot would try and prove something that they have "faith" in. Get it?

How many times do I have to say this. Everything requires faith. 99% of theories have holes, and many Theories lack evidence, even though most Atheists act like they're fact. Very little difference between that and religion.

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[QUOTE="Steameffekt"]

Explain this

FLSTS

I don't think someone has to be an atheist to disbelieve in ghosts... nor is there any proof ghosts even exist.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]Ok now your just contracting yourself.Velocitas8

Are you trying to imply that a single person cannot possibly be capable of both thoughtful reasoning and faith?

A person of logic can have faith as long as he doesn't try and apply logic/reasoning to the subject of his faith. Something you have "faith" in cannot be proven, by definition of the word itself. If it can be proven, it is NOT "faith" ..so only an idiot would try and prove something that they have "faith" in. Get it?

We distort reality to see what we want to see and non-believers distort reality to not see anything. Do i believe a lot can be explained? Yes? But some evidence the Ghost Hunters have found is irrefutable to me and some skeptic will just dismiss it or call the show fake. And like i said before when you ask them to come along on an adventure they chicken out even if there is "nothing" to be afraid of amirite...X360PS3AMD05

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]We distort reality to see what we want to see and non-believers distort reality to not see anything. Do i believe a lot can be explained? Yes? But some evidence the Ghost Hunters have found is irrefutable to me and some skeptic will just dismiss it or call the show fake. And like i said before when you ask them to come along on an adventure they chicken out even if there is "nothing" to be afraid of amirite...Brainkiller05

That's why I'd really love to see Criss Angel perform in person. Regardless of how he's pulling off his ILLUSIONS (he is a illusionist, so of course he's not really levitating), I'd like to see him do it. As for ghosts, I've seen footage of things that really can't be explained. Doesn't mean for a second that there's ghosts, but there's so much in this Universe that can't be explained by current science still so the possibilities are endless.

Oh, I just love seeing these pseudo-intellectuals squabble amongst themselves. So far in this thread, I've seen maybe two persons speak with any amount of coherency, and that would be Vandalvideo and Subzero. I tend to tune out those who continually berate those they argue with, continually make rude remarks, who refuse to listen to other points of views, and who speak with a carriage unbecoming of them.

I should like to add that I don't frequently throw the term "pseudo-intellectual" around because I don't like categorize anyone who likes to debate, use a deep vocabulary, or who thinks seriously into a group that is frowned upon based upon the negative connotations of the word. However, I have no qualms with using it to designate those who commit the actions detailed in the first post, while trying to uphold an intellectual argument.

A mark of real intellect is first and foremost, listening to the other side and remaining courteous to other points of views. Socrates, Emerson, and Thoreau have all said things similar to this, and I tend to agree with them.

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]We distort reality to see what we want to see and non-believers distort reality to not see anything. Do i believe a lot can be explained? Yes? But some evidence the Ghost Hunters have found is irrefutable to me and some skeptic will just dismiss it or call the show fake. And like i said before when you ask them to come along on an adventure they chicken out even if there is "nothing" to be afraid of amirite...MystikFollower

That's why I'd really love to see Criss Angel perform in person. Regardless of how he's pulling off his ILLUSIONS (he is a illusionist, so of course he's not really levitating), I'd like to see him do it. As for ghosts, I've seen footage of things that really can't be explained. Doesn't mean for a second that there's ghosts, but there's so much in this Universe that can't be explained by current science still so the possibilities are endless.

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[QUOTE="leperphiliac"] Sorry didn't find any pictures of god.sensfan02

You saw the Bleeding Host? The Host is a Representation of the Body of Jesus.

Seeing as there were no Cameras BAck then, where would an artist formulate this exact Image? Why are there so many similar paintings of God, they all represent the same image? Did all the artists copy this one Image?

Dude, if this is suppose to be your hard evidence, I will lol.

Did you read the type above the Picture?

Thats one weird ass dog if it is

Hey you Christians... Explain this. If God really was out there then why would the entire Christian religion be based on faith and the bible? If your God cared about you so much and wanted you to follow him, why wouldn't he just come show everyone he exists himself? Is there any reason he can't come down here and meet us and prove his existence? Is he tied up in traffic? Did his heaven get evicted and he's cloudless at the moment? Did he forget we even exist? I'm interested to hear your opinion. This was the first question I asked myself when I decided to stop having faith and wait for him to come prove himself before giving him a second thought. Even if he does exist, he's not worth giving a crap about if he cant even give any of his followers a measely 5 minute conversation to prove he exists and that the religion they follow isn't a bunch of lies. God might exist. You can believe in him if you want, it doesn't bother me any. I was raised on Christianity... until I started thinking for myself. It just doesn't matter to me anymore. Whether he does or not, he's not my God either way.Messiahbolical-

I am grateful then you are now able to think for yourself. I can't imagine growing up not being able to have my own thoughts and thinking for myself. How terrible that would be. :P

Neither ghosts nor gods, should they be proven to exist (which neither have been) necessitate the existence of one another.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

You saw the Bleeding Host? The Host is a Representation of the Body of Jesus.

Seeing as there were no Cameras BAck then, where would an artist formulate this exact Image? Why are there so many similar paintings of God, they all represent the same image? Did all the artists copy this one Image?

Snipes_2

Dude, if this is suppose to be your hard evidence, I will lol.

Did you read the type above the Picture?

Yes, I did, and back then people knew how to draw. Therefore, I think people drew this, and this picture was given (or something that looks like this picture) to every generation up til now.

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]Ghosts don't exists Steameffekt

Explain this

A dog in a picture doesnt explain anything, how did it get on fox news anyway, stupid news :l

Well ghosts dont exist just like god...

I think religion is for the weak minded people among us who need something to cling too in order to give their lives some kind of "meaning". WAJ

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]We distort reality to see what we want to see and non-believers distort reality to not see anything. Do i believe a lot can be explained? Yes? But some evidence the Ghost Hunters have found is irrefutable to me and some skeptic will just dismiss it or call the show fake. And like i said before when you ask them to come along on an adventure they chicken out even if there is "nothing" to be afraid of amirite...Brainkiller05

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]We distort reality to see what we want to see and non-believers distort reality to not see anything. Do i believe a lot can be explained? Yes? But some evidence the Ghost Hunters have found is irrefutable to me and some skeptic will just dismiss it or call the show fake. And like i said before when you ask them to come along on an adventure they chicken out even if there is "nothing" to be afraid of amirite...X360PS3AMD05

you still havent shown any proof.

Furthermore, let me point out this thing that you just typed..."it's the things they have no explanation for that are left as evidence of the paranormal".

Uh...what? If there's "no explanation", then there's NO EXPLANATION. How does "no explanation" suddenly translate into "evidence of the paranormal"? If you were to cite that as evidence of the paranormal, then wouldn't "the paranormal" count as an "explanation"?

It's no different than someone saying "well then, explain how my cancer mysteriously went away", or a person who saw a UFO saying "well if it wasn't aliens, then what was it?"

How? Why? What? I dunno. It's still not evidence of ghosts/god/aliens.