Hey you theists Explain .....................God's Inactivity

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]hrmm. the only way is to get there, i think we could speed the process along heh :PBiancaDK

Houdini promised his wife, Bess, he would contact her from beyond the grave. With his last breaths, Houdini whispered a secret message to Bess.

Tell me what to do, and i´ll try my best to do it, ofcourse the same applies to you if you take the ticket before i do

It has to be highly convincing tho, leaving not a shred of doubt when witnessed/experienced

Because he isn't cruel. God doesn't "need" us to respect him, he doesn't need anything. It's like your parents don't "need" you. God won't punish someone for something silly like that.

the problem with this is: we don't know what, if any, limitations the dead experience. Also, it's quite possible that upon death, you stop wondering about the mystery of death and as such, do not fulfill your "when you die" promises. or it could just be nothingness. or it could be limitations imposed by some more powerful beingJandurin

I see

hrmm. the only way is to get there, i think we could speed the process along heh :PJandurin

What do you mean with this, then? ^

The more I live....the more I wonder how any of us can just assume what God wants or expects without him directly telling us what he wants. All of us basically put words into God's mouth on a daily basis.

The more I live....the more I wonder how any of us can just assume what God wants or expects without him directly telling us what he wants. All of us basically put words into God's mouth on a daily basis.

RJay123

What do you mean with this, then? ^

BiancaDK

You're not putting words in God's mouth if you read the words of the many religions :\rubber-chicken

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

What do you mean with this, then? ^

Jandurin

hm okay

the problem with this is: we don't know what, if any, limitations the dead experience.Jandurin

what ifgaining andprocessing knowledge or belief is one of the limitations? Then we cannot know, regardless of what happens in thisplane or the hypothethical next, making it an impossible question to answer, regardless of which plane one exists in

does such a question even deserve thought, beyond making it a principal example of idiocy?

what ifgaining andprocessing knowledge or belief is one of the limitations? Then we cannot know, regardless of what happens in thisplane or the hypothethical next, making it an impossible question to answer, regardless of which plane one exists in

does such a question even deserve thought, beyond making it a principal example of idiocy?

What is the TC suggesting? That a lightning bolt should come down immediatly and strike down anyone who does this? Punishment for sin or man's disobedience of the lord is very real, but it might not be as immediate or individualized as you suggest.

[QUOTE="rubber-chicken"]You're not putting words in God's mouth if you read the words of the many religions :\Jandurin

Prophets of religions are like reflections of God because they are sent to show everyone God's message.rubber-chicken

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

what if gaining and processing knowledge or belief is one of the limitations? Then we cannot know, regardless of what happens in this plane or the hypothethical next, making it an impossible question to answer, regardless of which plane one exists in

does such a question even deserve thought, beyond making it a principal example of idiocy?

Jandurin

i did not say it was undeserving of all thought, i pointed out what it could be used for. Anyways, realize that it is highly limited, regardless of how you view it within any traditional sense or concept of afterlife

you´re initially dead, or at the very least, not alive amongst us

thats a pretty big limitation right there already, and we are not even pondering the significance of the various definitions yet

best be at peace withrelatively grosslimitations, because they are ineluctably coming for us. At best, it would be more of the same, bearing similarities to our current existance, and it will be so until we know what size infinity is, until infinity becomes tangible; which is a paradox

[QUOTE="rubber-chicken"]Prophets of religions are like reflections of God because they are sent to show everyone God's message.Jandurin

you´re initially dead, or at the very least, not alive amongst us

thats a pretty big limitation right there already, and we are not even pondering the significance of the various definitions yet

best be at peace withrelatively grosslimitations, because they are ineluctably coming for us. At best, it would be more of the same, bearing similarities to our current existance, and it will be so until we know what size infinity is, until infinity becomes tangible; which is a paradox

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

you´re initially dead, or at the very least, not alive amongst us

thats a pretty big limitation right there already, and we are not even pondering the significance of the various definitions yet

Jandurin

I think whether or not your example, if held true,could be considered a limitation; is ultimatelyopinion as well

in order for limitation to be conceived and perceived, it must be a form that can initially be experienced, otherwise it is not limiting anything, thus not being a limitation to begin with

if my soul roams free, truly free; allowing me to perceive anything and everything: nothing prevents me from discovering the limitations, regardless of my freedom, so now limitations are fallacious? If so, you are not you anymore, because limitations is a very real concept for any one of us

so where is the "you" now then? The entire process is a paradox imo, or atleast it just boils down to circular reasoning

Well seeing how I don't care about others using my name in vain, heck it's pretty awesome to go around. I'm sure we are on the same page. :3

so our limitations define usJandurin

its real, otherwise nothing makes sense, and if so, this is not a question of afterlife, ghosts nor mortality, it is a question of empirical libertarianism, compatibilism and determinismBiancaDK

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]its real, otherwise nothing makes sense, and if so, this is not a question of afterlife, ghosts nor mortality, it is a question of empirical libertarianism, compatibilism and determinismJandurin

Simply a belief that deterministic and a libetarian system are compatible? Whats simple about that? D: It becomes a question of particle wave and quantum physics interacting with observation, in its most extreme. If you find debating the implicated parameters involved in that to be simple, then i suggest you mail me a sample of your semen ´cos i´m having your children

im bringing in those thesis because they deal with limitations, both the observable and theoretical nonobservable by current means seems valid enough, the nature of this dialogue taken into consideration

then i suggest you mail me a sample of your semen ´cos i´m having your children

BiancaDK

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

then i suggest you mail me a sample of your semen ´cos i´m having your children

Jandurin

no excuses

I always find these types of threads to be pretty fun, despite the fact that there's no real answer. At it's core, this type of argument boils down to atheists demanding that theists explain why their deity doesn't conform to their preconceptions of what God should be or should do while the theists have no concrete understanding of precisely who or what God is or how he chooses to interact with the world.mattbbpl

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I always find these types of threads to be pretty fun, despite the fact that there's no real answer. At it's core, this type of argument boils down to atheists demanding that theists explain why their deity doesn't conform to their preconceptions of what God should be or should do while the theists have no concrete understanding of precisely who or what God is or how he chooses to interact with the world.LJS9502_basic

cool, another anti-god thread. those sure are original.

Maybe hes partying all the time with all the dead rockstars and has no time for earth anymore.