Hezbollah stockpiles 40,000 rockets near Israeli border, what a surprise.

In Israel we call it the "second Lebanon war" but it wasn't only Hezbollah's fault, instead of negotiating for our soldiers (Which eventually happened 3 years after the war when the soldiers were already dead) our prime minister and minister of defence had to attack because of their huge ego.

And I also saw that someone has wrote that we are creating a mass genocide on the Palestinians, but it's not true, There's no genocide.

beomri

heres a simple solution just share the land.

blaznwiipspman1

That's exactly what the last treaty that Israel and Palestine signed was supposed to accomplish, but Israel is forcefully settling land that it had previously ceded to Palestine.

[QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="sacredtext62"]Are you serious? Have we lowered to the point of condemning those who fight for their freedom? The Palestinian's homes were taken by the Israelis and we accuse them of terrorism for wanted their land back? Honestly, the Zionist propaganda has gotten to you guys' head....you know what you don't hear in the news everyday? Israel's mass genocide of the Palestinians, and trust me I've seen some gruesome pictures and videos on multiple websites which trumps the holocaust (how ironic) on disgusting. The Palestinians have every right to fight Israel, just like WE had every right to fight back Britain during the revolutionary war.ghoklebutter

*facepalm*

X people lived in N after getting rid of Y people. 3000 years later Y people kicked X people out of N.

Where is the logic in this?

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] Yes. Many wars Israel fought in, where not started by them, many being started by the egyptians, such as the 6 day war(egypt, Syria, and Jordan), and the Yom Kippur war(egyptians and Syria). More recently, the second Lebandon War was started when Hezbollah artillery shells landed in Israel, and two Israeli troops were abducted. The most recent offensive against the Hamas, was retaliation from years of the Hamas shooting rockets at Isreal.bronxxbombers

Israel is forcefully settling land that every nation on earth recognizes as belonging to Palestine, what are they supposed to do? What do you think the U.S. would do if the Mexican government started forcing people in New Mexico to move out of their homes? You think it would be, "Oh, it's alright, they need the land." Hell no, they'd force them out with superior military power. The problem is that Palestine doesn't have superior military power, thanks to Israel being buddy-buddy with the U.S. for so long, so they can't do anything except to attack with a missle strike every time the Israelis decide they need another slice of Palestinian land.

And I don't accept the Holocaust as an excuse for Israel to take other countries' land. For one, Nazi Germany perpetrated the Holocaust, not the Palestinians. The Palestinians shouldn't be held accountable for something they had no part in. Second, persecution does not warrant more persecution. That's a completely flawed line of thinking that leads to nothing but an endless cycle of persecution. It's actually pretty disconcerting that a nation of people who know so well what forceful displacement and persecution feel like would turn around and do the same to another group of people.

Couple of things, god's word does not hold up in court. Just because god, "promised," the land to the Israelites does not mean International law is going to accept that. And here's a news flash, Israel is a sacred land in Islam as well, accordin to them god promised the land to them and not the Israelites. Guess it's back to square one. Also, there are hundreds of ethnic groups that were displaced by oppressive empires, we don't take it upon ourselves to repatriate every single one of them. Palestinians in Israel are also subject to very harsh discrimination, it's just not feasible for them to live together as of yet. They also aren't living in Israel, they are living in Palestine when Israelis come and confiscate their lands and drive them out of their homes. That may have been an expected practice back in the days of the Byzantine Empire, but we should be beyond petty quarrels such as that in the 21st century. And like I said, continuing persecution accomplishes nothing. All that Israeli hardliners are accomplishing right now is fanning the flames of hatred and garunteeing that by taking unfair action against Palestinians they will receive similar treatment when the other shoe drops.

please can you just put away politics when talking in this forum

am really sick of it

[QUOTE="sacredtext62"]Are you serious? Have we lowered to the point of condemning those who fight for their freedom? The Palestinian's homes were taken by the Israelis and we accuse them of terrorism for wanted their land back? Honestly, the Zionist propaganda has gotten to you guys' head.....uberbra

you seem to forget it was the british who led the removal of the palestinains to make way for the israelis. many tend to forget that, as the jewish peoples were to disorganized and scattered after WW2 & it was britian and several other nations who paved the way for the israeli people.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] Yes. Many wars Israel fought in, where not started by them, many being started by the egyptians, such as the 6 day war(egypt, Syria, and Jordan), and the Yom Kippur war(egyptians and Syria). More recently, the second Lebandon War was started when Hezbollah artillery shells landed in Israel, and two Israeli troops were abducted. The most recent offensive against the Hamas, was retaliation from years of the Hamas shooting rockets at Isreal.bronxxbombers

Israel is forcefully settling land that every nation on earth recognizes as belonging to Palestine, what are they supposed to do? What do you think the U.S. would do if the Mexican government started forcing people in New Mexico to move out of their homes? You think it would be, "Oh, it's alright, they need the land." Hell no, they'd force them out with superior military power. The problem is that Palestine doesn't have superior military power, thanks to Israel being buddy-buddy with the U.S. for so long, so they can't do anything except to attack with a missle strike every time the Israelis decide they need another slice of Palestinian land.

And I don't accept the Holocaust as an excuse for Israel to take other countries' land. For one, Nazi Germany perpetrated the Holocaust, not the Palestinians. The Palestinians shouldn't be held accountable for something they had no part in. Second, persecution does not warrant more persecution. That's a completely flawed line of thinking that leads to nothing but an endless cycle of persecution. It's actually pretty disconcerting that a nation of people who know so well what forceful displacement and persecution feel like would turn around and do the same to another group of people.

The Israelis are telling the Palestinians they can't live in Israel. Israel wants a nation of Jews and don't want to end up with a palestinian majority. israel has forceably removed Palestinians from their homes. I'm not saying Palestinians have been angels here, but Israel is no angel either.

In every war israel has been in, Israel was always the first to attack why shouldnt these proxy groups re arm? The first 60 years of Israel has been nothing but blood shed and disaster and the Jews of israel are the most racist people you could meet not all of them but most of them are. Right groups of israel actually believe in wiping all arabs out and settlers continue to harass palestinians by taking land and demolishing houses! Why just today israel demolished a house in Arab east jerusalem leaving 53 palestinians without a home. Even now israel talks about attacking iran just for its nuclear accomplishments.

sosodat

I think that Isreal is as much in the wrong as Hezbollah. Israel does send Gunship and warplane in to take out Hezbollah target and Hexbollah used to fire rockets into Israel every day and send in suicide bombersto kill random targets.

If any country in the world has rockets and suicide bomber killing their people then they are going to attack sooner or later.

Yes some group think they should wipe out the arabs and some arab contries and groupsthink they should wipe out Isreal. How can any of them call themself religious when they have these views?

If Hezbollah and the the radical groups in Palestine agreed to peace decadesago then they could have formed a united government with a strong state with its own army by now. That would have stop Iseal taking more land over the years and made the Palestines a strong force.

A big reason why you will neverget peace in Palestine or the West Bank is because Hezbollah and other radical groups dont want to give up the power they have built up. They all want to be the ones in charge. That why you see different Palestine groups fighting each other.

[QUOTE="skelebull3000"]

[QUOTE="canuck19"]

and thats how you guys fought against the british in the american revolution :roll:

also know one is really willing to hear the palestinians and what they have to say, since they are overly opressed by Israel.

canuck19

I'm a Colombian born German. :| It's easy to support a fight if it isn't your own neck on the line, isn't it?

good point I totally understand what your trying to say and I feel your being a bit to naive, since not every country is the U.S.A where you can supposedly voice your opinion out without much problems. But over there who are these mostly poor palestinians to speak out against the israelis they're homeland is a wasteland and most of them can't even read or write so unfortuanetly the only way they can voice their opinion out is through violence. and these "terrorists" are just fighting in a more organized way. Let me tell you something this fighting will NOT stop until Israels stops neglecting these palestinians and treat them like normal citizens.

Which is something that clearly won't happen as we have seen many times before. All that has ever happened is that Israel then retaliates and just recieves a simple slap on the wrist from the international community. BTW, the literacy rate in Palestine is 92.4 placing it bove countries like Mexico, Panama and China. Saying that they have no possible way to express themselves through other forms is silly.

And once they attack Israel, and Israel starts crushing them -- I can't wait to see the world turn on Israel; ah, so cliche.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]And once they attack Israel, and Israel starts crushing them -- I can't wait to see the world turn on Israel; ah, so cliche.Joker_268

Are you serious? Have we lowered to the point of condemning those who fight for their freedom? The Palestinian's homes were taken by the Israelis and we accuse them of terrorism for wanted their land back? Honestly, the Zionist propaganda has gotten to you guys' head....you know what you don't hear in the news everyday? Israel's mass genocide of the Palestinians, and trust me I've seen some gruesome pictures and videos on multiple websites which trumps the holocaust (how ironic) on disgusting. The Palestinians have every right to fight Israel, just like WE had every right to fight back Britain during the revolutionary war.sacredtext62

this man speaks the truth.

And once they attack Israel, and Israel starts crushing them -- I can't wait to see the world turn on Israel; ah, so cliche.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]And once they attack Israel, and Israel starts crushing them -- I can't wait to see the world turn on Israel; ah, so cliche.clyde46

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i hope Israel gets crushed.

Israel is the worlds 5th nuclear power has about 3000 tanks and 160 fighter planes .

Palestinians have 0 nukes 0 tanks 0 planes , suicide bombing is the last option.

FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE

i hope Israel gets crushed.

Israel is the worlds 5th nuclear power has about 3000 tanks and 160 fighter planes .

Palestinians have 0 nukes 0 tanks 0 planes , suicide bombing is the last option.

FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE

zappolynk

[QUOTE="sosodat"]

In every war israel has been in, Israel was always the first to attack why shouldnt these proxy groups re arm? The first 60 years of Israel has been nothing but blood shed and disaster and the Jews of israel are the most racist people you could meet not all of them but most of them are. Right groups of israel actually believe in wiping all arabs out and settlers continue to harass palestinians by taking land and demolishing houses! Why just today israel demolished a house in Arab east jerusalem leaving 53 palestinians without a home. Even now israel talks about attacking iran just for its nuclear accomplishments.

campbell1874

I think that Isreal is as much in the wrong as Hezbollah. Israel does send Gunship and warplane in to take out Hezbollah target and Hexbollah used to fire rockets into Israel every day and send in suicide bombersto kill random targets.

If any country in the world has rockets and suicide bomber killing their people then they are going to attack sooner or later.

Yes some group think they should wipe out the arabs and some arab contries and groupsthink they should wipe out Isreal. How can any of them call themself religious when they have these views?

If Hezbollah and the the radical groups in Palestine agreed to peace decadesago then they could have formed a united government with a strong state with its own army by now. That would have stop Iseal taking more land over the years and made the Palestines a strong force.

A big reason why you will neverget peace in Palestine or the West Bank is because Hezbollah and other radical groups dont want to give up the power they have built up. They all want to be the ones in charge. That why you see different Palestine groups fighting each other.

Are you serious? Have we lowered to the point of condemning those who fight for their freedom? The Palestinian's homes were taken by the Israelis and we accuse them of terrorism for wanted their land back? Honestly, the Zionist propaganda has gotten to you guys' head....you know what you don't hear in the news everyday? Israel's mass genocide of the Palestinians, and trust me I've seen some gruesome pictures and videos on multiple websites which trumps the holocaust (how ironic) on disgusting. The Palestinians have every right to fight Israel, just like WE had every right to fight back Britain during the revolutionary war.sacredtext62

Have you ever had a crazed Palestinian bang on your door at 2am and hold a gun to your father's head? You haven't? Then you have no room to state such a moronic opinion. I believe the Palestinians and then Israeli's can get along just fine, the antagonists are the Hezbollah terrrorists and other terrorist run countries. The Israeli Army is at least organized, the other side they're fighting has no organization, rather they have a bunch of small area leaders doing whatever they please. The Palestinians have been, and will be, free. They're homes were taken, yes. While that was not the greatest move by the Israeli government, a large part of it was to root out many of the men working with Hezbollah to give coordinates for motor strikes and the like.

As a former citizen of Israel and a Jew, I seriously doubt you've seen any picture that trumps the Holocaust in brutality. Especially one where the brutality was caused by an Israeli soldier. Many of those pictures you see are from mortars and missile strikes sent by terrorist organizations against Israel. Trust ME, I've lived there, live through it, and seen it first hand.

thats messed up.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]And once they attack Israel, and Israel starts crushing them -- I can't wait to see the world turn on Israel; ah, so cliche.clyde46

Jews stole the land they are calling thier own :|

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]And once they attack Israel, and Israel starts crushing them -- I can't wait to see the world turn on Israel; ah, so cliche.Espada12

Jews stole the land they are calling thier own :|

[QUOTE="zappolynk"]

i hope Israel gets crushed.

Israel is the worlds 5th nuclear power has about 3000 tanks and 160 fighter planes .

Palestinians have 0 nukes 0 tanks 0 planes , suicide bombing is the last option.

FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE

GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="zappolynk"]

i hope Israel gets crushed.

Israel is the worlds 5th nuclear power has about 3000 tanks and 160 fighter planes .

Palestinians have 0 nukes 0 tanks 0 planes , suicide bombing is the last option.

FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE

ASHISH1777

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Exactly, If I remember right, the jews havent had the best ride throughout history. They get their own bit of land and a country to call their own and everybody goes nuts saying it doesnt belong to them.ASHISH1777

Jews stole the land they are calling thier own :|

So this makes the Zionists perfectly innocent? You can't hate on Muslims just because some rowdy muslim armies took over parts of the world.

You shouldn't judge Muslims when you haven't even read the Arabic Qur'an.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="zappolynk"]

i hope Israel gets crushed.

Israel is the worlds 5th nuclear power has about 3000 tanks and 160 fighter planes .

Palestinians have 0 nukes 0 tanks 0 planes , suicide bombing is the last option.

FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE

ASHISH1777

Funny, because in the Koran revenge is a sin.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="zappolynk"]

i hope Israel gets crushed.

Israel is the worlds 5th nuclear power has about 3000 tanks and 160 fighter planes .

Palestinians have 0 nukes 0 tanks 0 planes , suicide bombing is the last option.

FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE

ASHISH1777

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Exactly, If I remember right, the jews havent had the best ride throughout history. They get their own bit of land and a country to call their own and everybody goes nuts saying it doesnt belong to them.ASHISH1777

Jews stole the land they are calling thier own :|

Ok... I'm not a muslim though and I don't understand why you are telling me to stop saying facts. Israel thinks they can do anything to palestine because big brother the US provided them with weapons and technology far beyond what they can get.

Israel is diging its own hole. They are surrounded by countries that hate them and instead of trying to make some sort of peace with them, they are using force to to dominate the region. All that they are doing by their actions is making more terrorists and more enemies. In the end this will end bad for israel because they will simply get outnumbered. Israel thinks that they will have an upper hand in terms of military power in the region for thousands of years to come but sooner or later things change, the balance of power changes, it always has looking back at history. Noone can be the strongest forever....

[QUOTE="ASHISH1777"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Jews stole the land they are calling thier own :|

ghoklebutter

So this makes the Zionists perfectly innocent? You can't hate on Muslims just because some rowdy muslim armies took over parts of the world.

You shouldn't judge Muslims when you haven't even read the Arabic Qur'an.

Israel is diging its own hole. They are surrounded by countries that hate them and instead of trying to make some sort of peace with them, they are using force to to dominate the region. All that they are doing by their actions is making more terrorists and more enemies. In the end this will end bad for israel because they will simply get outnumbered. Israel thinks that they will have an upper hand in terms of military power in the region for thousands of years to come but sooner or later things change, the balance of power changes, it always has looking back at history. Noone can be the strongest forever....

Mitjastiskovski

Israel has been trying to make peace for years. The only countries in that region with any sense in them are Turkey and Egypt. Israel is on the offensive now because after a while you get tired of terrorist groups that run government launching missiles into innocent neighborhoods.

[QUOTE="Mitjastiskovski"]

Israel is diging its own hole. They are surrounded by countries that hate them and instead of trying to make some sort of peace with them, they are using force to to dominate the region. All that they are doing by their actions is making more terrorists and more enemies. In the end this will end bad for israel because they will simply get outnumbered. Israel thinks that they will have an upper hand in terms of military power in the region for thousands of years to come but sooner or later things change, the balance of power changes, it always has looking back at history. Noone can be the strongest forever....

grenadexjumpr

Israel has been trying to make peace for years. The only countries in that region with any sense in them are Turkey and Egypt. Israel is on the offensive now because after a while you get tired of terrorist groups that run government launching missiles into innocent neighborhoods.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Exactly, If I remember right, the jews havent had the best ride throughout history. They get their own bit of land and a country to call their own and everybody goes nuts saying it doesnt belong to them.ASHISH1777

Jews stole the land they are calling thier own :|

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]And once they attack Israel, and Israel starts crushing them -- I can't wait to see the world turn on Israel; ah, so cliche.clyde46

I'm not a fan of Isreal.. so.

The fact is jews have done the same thing which muslims have done in the past are muslims going to give up the land which they have stolen?As for the quran yes i have read it.It tells you to kill nonmuslims Qur'an (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." There is a good case to be made that the textual context of this particular passage is defensive war, even if the historical context was not. However, there are also two worrisome pieces to these verse. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of "persecution" (a qualification that is ambiguous at best). The second is that fighting may persist until "religion is for Allah." The example set by Muhammad is not reassuring. Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.ASHISH1777

That verse is used by EVERY SINGLE anti-muslim website. Here is the actual verse with context;

2:193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

Also, that second verse is actually idiomatic and it tells you to defend yourself in war basically.

Its like squirrels gathering acorns for the winter.

Are you serious? Have we lowered to the point of condemning those who fight for their freedom? The Palestinian's homes were taken by the Israelis and we accuse them of terrorism for wanted their land back? Honestly, the Zionist propaganda has gotten to you guys' head....you know what you don't hear in the news everyday? Israel's mass genocide of the Palestinians, and trust me I've seen some gruesome pictures and videos on multiple websites which trumps the holocaust (how ironic) on disgusting. The Palestinians have every right to fight Israel, just like WE had every right to fight back Britain during the revolutionary war.sacredtext62

Judging by your use of the word "freedom" in your first sentence, you have no idea what the word actually means. To you, it just means anything that you think is good. Sorry buddy, that's not what "freedom" is.

true very true.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]And once they attack Israel, and Israel starts crushing them -- I can't wait to see the world turn on Israel; ah, so cliche.Danm_999

The bigger problem is that the Israeli/Jewish people are directly decended from the Caananites and that area was once know as Canaan. So how can you argue that the Jewish people were not there first or at least at the same time? And, for those of you who have never lived in Israel, let alone been born there, you must realize that there is also a large Christian and Muslim population, all of whom live in peace and harmony together. It is not an "Islamic" tradition to be against Israel, it is a regional tradition. Palestine, Jordan, and the like are against Israel, not the entire Muslim population.

world peace is not even real these days,or was ever real.

what i can't understand is how these fanatics aren't blowing themselves up within israel anymore like they used to. it has ceased.

can anyone tell me why?

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Exactly, If I remember right, the jews havent had the best ride throughout history. They get their own bit of land and a country to call their own and everybody goes nuts saying it doesnt belong to them.grenadexjumpr

The bigger problem is that the Israeli/Jewish people are directly decended from the Caananites and that area was once know as Canaan. So how can you argue that the Jewish people were not there first or at least at the same time? And, for those of you who have never lived in Israel, let alone been born there, you must realize that there is also a large Christian and Muslim population, all of whom live in peace and harmony together. It is not an "Islamic" tradition to be against Israel, it is a regional tradition. Palestine, Jordan, and the like are against Israel, not the entire Muslim population.

Yes, the Jews were there first. The problem is that they got rid of a large population of people that already lived there for some time. I'm not Jewish, but last time I checked, Jewish people cannot take Israel by force.