Hezbollah stockpiles 40,000 rockets near Israeli border, what a surprise.

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#101 psychobrew
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[QUOTE="grenadexjumpr"]

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Israel is diging its own hole. They are surrounded by countries that hate them and instead of trying to make some sort of peace with them, they are using force to to dominate the region. All that they are doing by their actions is making more terrorists and more enemies. In the end this will end bad for israel because they will simply get outnumbered. Israel thinks that they will have an upper hand in terms of military power in the region for thousands of years to come but sooner or later things change, the balance of power changes, it always has looking back at history. Noone can be the strongest forever....

Israel has been trying to make peace for years. The only countries in that region with any sense in them are Turkey and Egypt. Israel is on the offensive now because after a while you get tired of terrorist groups that run government launching missiles into innocent neighborhoods.

No they haven't. They've been further inciting hatred and by taking over more and more Palestinian land. Both sides need to grow up.
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#102 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Are you serious? Have we lowered to the point of condemning those who fight for their freedom? The Palestinian's homes were taken by the Israelis and we accuse them of terrorism for wanted their land back? Honestly, the Zionist propaganda has gotten to you guys' head....you know what you don't hear in the news everyday? Israel's mass genocide of the Palestinians, and trust me I've seen some gruesome pictures and videos on multiple websites which trumps the holocaust (how ironic) on disgusting. The Palestinians have every right to fight Israel, just like WE had every right to fight back Britain during the revolutionary war.sacredtext62
I dont think they would get as much criticism if those rockets were used against military targets or strategic resources, but instead they are fired into heavily populated civilian areas just to kill people. If the US had decided to fight Britain by raiding and killing the civilians of their towns, I suspect we would have been crushed in the revolution. But rather, the US rag tag militia fought the british army NOT the british people. Because of that, many in England becamse sympathetic with the US cause. That division helped the US to win the war.
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#103 Dantheman102100
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Gee big suprise
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#104 deactivated-58a5e8ead9efe
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To be honest there probably won't ever be any peace until one side musters the resolve and resources to totally exterminate the other, and it's gonna be bloody.

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#105 T3AMKILL
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i hope Israel gets crushed.

Israel is the worlds 5th nuclear power has about 3000 tanks and 160 fighter planes .

Palestinians have 0 nukes 0 tanks 0 planes , suicide bombing is the last option.

FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE

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i hope Israel gets crushed.

Israel is the worlds 5th nuclear power has about 3000 tanks and 160 fighter planes .

Palestinians have 0 nukes 0 tanks 0 planes , suicide bombing is the last option.

FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE

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F T W!

FTW
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#106 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Exactly, If I remember right, the jews havent had the best ride throughout history. They get their own bit of land and a country to call their own and everybody goes nuts saying it doesnt belong to them.grenadexjumpr

The problem was, there was already someone living there. The problem was never the Jewish people having their own homeland, it was that they dispossesed a much larger people to get it.

The bigger problem is that the Israeli/Jewish people are directly decended from the Caananites and that area was once know as Canaan.

All of them?

Do we really think all the world's Jewish population are the direct descendents of the Caananites? Alternatively, do you seriously believe none of the Caananites were able to remain after the Jews were expelled? Given the incredibly sketchy records we have from thousands of years ago, it's pointless to make sweeping generalisations such as this.

Even so, does this give them an eternal claim to the land from a secular perspective? Would you support Native Americans reattaining ownership of the United States?

So how can you argue that the Jewish people were not there first or at least at the same time? And, for those of you who have never lived in Israel, let alone been born there, you must realize that there is also a large Christian and Muslim population, all of whom live in peace and harmony together. It is not an "Islamic" tradition to be against Israel, it is a regional tradition. Palestine, Jordan, and the like are against Israel, not the entire Muslim population.

grenadexjumpr

There are Muslim and Christian populations living in Israel, yes. But Israel is fundamentally Jewish. Their parliament, the Knesset, recently passed a bill making it a criminal offence to deny Israel's Jewish character.

You're correct about the regionalism of the problem, although Islam at large isn't pleased Israel has control over Jerusalem, their third holiest city.

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#107 MetalGear_Ninty
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The likes of Hezbollah just perpetuate more pain and suffering, they know that they can't topple Israel by force, yet they persist anyway, inevitably resulting in the death of a small number of soldiers relative to a large number of both Israeli and Palestinian civilians.
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#108 ferretzor
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So after reading through this thread, I've come to the conclusion that there are some sick people around. Instead of wishing for peace, some of you seem to hope that the other side should get 'wiped out' in some form or another. The thought patterns of some people horrify me. War is like a merry-go-round in a way. Brings to mind one of my favourite quotes - 'We learn from history that we learn nothing from history.' Just a few thoughts.
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#109 kaangonultas
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What you dont realize is the palestinians sold off their land back at the end of the second world war.
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#110 kaangonultas
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So after reading through this thread, I've come to the conclusion that there are some sick people around. Instead of wishing for peace, some of you seem to hope that the other side should get 'wiped out' in some form or another. The thought patterns of some people horrify me. War is like a merry-go-round in a way. Brings to mind one of my favourite quotes - 'We learn from history that we learn nothing from history.' Just a few thoughts. ferretzor
i agree

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#111 grenadexjumpr
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[QUOTE="grenadexjumpr"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] The problem was, there was already someone living there. The problem was never the Jewish people having their own homeland, it was that they dispossesed a much larger people to get it.Danm_999

The bigger problem is that the Israeli/Jewish people are directly decended from the Caananites and that area was once know as Canaan.

All of them?

Do we really think all the world's Jewish population are the direct descendents of the Caananites? Alternatively, do you seriously believe none of the Caananites were able to remain after the Jews were expelled? Given the incredibly sketchy records we have from thousands of years ago, it's pointless to make sweeping generalisations such as this.

Even so, does this give them an eternal claim to the land from a secular perspective? Would you support Native Americans reattaining ownership of the United States?

So how can you argue that the Jewish people were not there first or at least at the same time? And, for those of you who have never lived in Israel, let alone been born there, you must realize that there is also a large Christian and Muslim population, all of whom live in peace and harmony together. It is not an "Islamic" tradition to be against Israel, it is a regional tradition. Palestine, Jordan, and the like are against Israel, not the entire Muslim population.

grenadexjumpr

There are Muslim and Christian populations living in Israel, yes. But Israel is fundamentally Jewish. Their parliament, the Knesset, recently passed a bill making it a criminal offence to deny Israel's Jewish character.

You're correct about the regionalism of the problem, although Islam at large isn't pleased Israel has control over Jerusalem, their third holiest city.

I'm not by any means saying that my people are the only ones who have claim to the land. But the argument that I was shutting down was saying that the Jewish people had NO right, but we do. All pure Jews would be directly decended from the Caananites if the sense of the word "pure." Not the people who convert to Judaism but those who have a bloodline of it.

And so what if Israel is fundamentally Jewish? How come its a problem if they are, but nobody says boo about Iran, Jordan, Libya and others' practices that directly relate government to the dominant religion? And yes I know very well about the parliament, the people, and the attacks which go on in Isreal, it is my home country. And I have relatives serving in the IDF.

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Are you serious? Have we lowered to the point of condemning those who fight for their freedom? The Palestinian's homes were taken by the Israelis and we accuse them of terrorism for wanted their land back? Honestly, the Zionist propaganda has gotten to you guys' head....you know what you don't hear in the news everyday? Israel's mass genocide of the Palestinians, and trust me I've seen some gruesome pictures and videos on multiple websites which trumps the holocaust (how ironic) on disgusting. The Palestinians have every right to fight Israel, just like WE had every right to fight back Britain during the revolutionary war.sacredtext62
Go ahead. I'll shut up if Palestine defeats Israel in a war. Btw, all that "mass genocide" bs you're talking of, it happened okay? Deal with it. I'm admitting it now, it's happening, so what are you gonna do about it? Just talk? Meanwhile Israeli forces are owning the ass of a Palestinian somewhere. :) It's a war. Don't taunt the enemy, it's common sense.
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And so what if Israel is fundamentally Jewish? How come its a problem if they are, but nobody says boo about Iran, Jordan, Libya and others' practices that directly relate government to the dominant religion? grenadexjumpr
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I'm not by any means saying that my people are the only ones who have claim to the land. But the argument that I was shutting down was saying that the Jewish people had NO right, but we do. All pure Jews would be directly decended from the Caananites if the sense of the word "pure." Not the people who convert to Judaism but those who have a bloodline of it.

And so what if Israel is fundamentally Jewish? How come its a problem if they are, but nobody says boo about Iran, Jordan, Libya and others' practices that directly relate government to the dominant religion? And yes I know very well about the parliament, the people, and the attacks which go on in Isreal, it is my home country. And I have relatives serving in the IDF.

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You keep missing the point...

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I'm not by any means saying that my people are the only ones who have claim to the land. But the argument that I was shutting down was saying that the Jewish people had NO right, but we do. All pure Jews would be directly decended from the Caananites if the sense of the word "pure." Not the people who convert to Judaism but those who have a bloodline of it. grenadexjumpr

That was thousands of years ago. Don't you think the statute of limitations has expired? If I remember right, didn't the Jews take over the land fromother ethnicgroups anyway (correct me if I'm wrong)?

And so what if Israel is fundamentally Jewish? How come its a problem if they are, but nobody says boo about Iran, Jordan, Libya and others' practices that directly relate government to the dominant religion? And yes I know very well about the parliament, the people, and the attacks which go on in Isreal, it is my home country. And I have relatives serving in the IDF.

grenadexjumpr

Nothing is wrong with it by itself (as long as human rights aren't trampled on). What's wrong is taking the land from others who are already there and forcing them in to camps. These camps are the cause for the guerilla movements that fire the rockets in to what you concider to be your land (and the cause for the stockpiles this thread was created about). It's your very desire to have a fundamentally Jewish Israel that is keeping Palestinians in these camps where they are brewing hatred. If you keep on the current path,they will eventuallyexpload with anger or you are going to erradicatate them. The people in these camps are treated as second class citizens -- they can not leave and they have no rights. They are basically prisoners who commited no crime. Something has to give. Unless I'm mistaken, it wasn't even the Palestinians who started the fighting where you took over their land.

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Both sides of the conflict do this, is this a surprise?
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#117 GazaAli
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i think its disgusting,laughable and idiotic when people say why palestinians throw rockets at israel.its not that im with it,in fact im against it.not because i feel sorry for those who they fell on them,but because they make us looks bad with the fact that they dont cause any damage whatsoever.when an F16 throw a missle at a building full of women and children just to kill one man,i dont see people complain much,meh at the world,how idiotic and injustice can it get
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You're correct about the regionalism of the problem, although Islam at large isn't pleased Israel has control over Jerusalem, their third holiest city.

Danm_999

But Jerusalem is Judaisms only holy city, so there's kind of a catch-22 there.

I don't care how long it's been, if the Jews built a synagouge on top of the Kabaa and kept it there for 1,000 years, Muslims would still claim it as theirs by right. Exact same problem with the Temple Mount/Noble Sancturary. No matter how much time passes, Jews are going to see it as theirs.

There is no solution except sharing, and neither side is willing to do so.

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.not because i feel sorry for those who they fell on them,but because they make us looks bad with the fact that they dont cause any damage whatsoever.GazaAli
:question:You want innocent people to die?

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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

You're correct about the regionalism of the problem, although Islam at large isn't pleased Israel has control over Jerusalem, their third holiest city.

But Jerusalem is Judaisms only holy city, so there's kind of a catch-22 there.

I don't care how long it's been, if the Jews built a synagouge on top of the Kabaa and kept it there for 1,000 years, Muslims would still claim it as theirs by right. Exact same problem with the Temple Mount/Noble Sancturary. No matter how much time passes, Jews are going to see it as theirs.

There is no solution except sharing, and neither side is willing to do so.

There is a huge nationalist movement that wants to dismantle Israel and reinstante Palastine.. Lets face it Israel was created under some highly immoral circumstances, where the UN wanted to break apart the country.. And when the Palastinians predictably enough rebelled due to outrage, they were forced out of the country completely with out compensation.. The Israeli conflict runs far deeper than religion.... One of Israel's greatest enemies sense its creation was Egypt under the leadership of Nasser which wasn't considered a large Islamic leader, but a Pan Arab nationalist.
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#121 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"].not because i feel sorry for those who they fell on them,but because they make us looks bad with the fact that they dont cause any damage whatsoever.Zuluking187

:question:You want innocent people to die?

"innocent" my A$$.you clearly dont know these jewisg settlers.just search youtube/or any decent news site and see for yourself how these settlers gather up,carry guns and rods and raid the plaestinians farms and houses in the west bank.also,the israeli government issue legal notes to people to leave thier homes,and then they give them to jweisg setlters in the west bank and jerusalem
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Zuluking187"]

.not because i feel sorry for those who they fell on them,but because they make us looks bad with the fact that they dont cause any damage whatsoever.GazaAli
:question:You want innocent people to die?

"innocent" my A$$.you clearly dont know these jewisg settlers.just search youtube/or any decent news site and see for yourself how these settlers gather up,carry guns and rods and raid the plaestinians farms and houses in the west bank.also,the israeli government issue legal notes to people to leave thier homes,and then they give them to jweisg setlters in the west bank and jerusalem

Well though I disagree with the extreme nature of your post.. I will say that neither side is just, and both sides have their fair share of aggressive combatants, and innocent people beign hurt on both sides..
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There is a huge nationalist movement that wants to dismantle Israel and reinstante Palastine.. Lets face it Israel was created under some highly immoral circumstances, where the UN wanted to break apart the country.. And when the Palastinians predictably enough rebelled due to outrage, they were forced out of the country completely with out compensation.. The Israeli conflict runs far deeper than religion.... One of Israel's greatest enemies sense its creation was Egypt under the leadership of Nasser which wasn't considered a large Islamic leader, but a Pan Arab nationalist.sSubZerOo

Neither side wants to consider this from the others perspective. In an ideal world, Israel would be a shared state of dual Jewish/Muslim identity. It's because of the religious factors that this isn't really acceptibe to either side.

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"innocent" my A$$.you clearly dont know these jewisg settlers.just search youtube/or any decent news site and see for yourself how these settlers gather up,carry guns and rods and raid the plaestinians farms and houses in the west bank.also,the israeli government issue legal notes to people to leave thier homes,and then they give them to jweisg setlters in the west bank and jerusalemGazaAli
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2007/08/06/Israeli-school-hit-with-rocket-from-Gaza/UPI-28971186429286/

Its a shame the rocket missed those evil Jewish children.:(

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]There is a huge nationalist movement that wants to dismantle Israel and reinstante Palastine.. Lets face it Israel was created under some highly immoral circumstances, where the UN wanted to break apart the country.. And when the Palastinians predictably enough rebelled due to outrage, they were forced out of the country completely with out compensation.. The Israeli conflict runs far deeper than religion.... One of Israel's greatest enemies sense its creation was Egypt under the leadership of Nasser which wasn't considered a large Islamic leader, but a Pan Arab nationalist.br0kenrabbit

Neither side wants to consider this from the others perspective. In an ideal world, Israel would be a shared state of dual Jewish/Muslim identity. It's because of the religious factors that this isn't really acceptibe to either side.

There were already a sizable amount of jewish population before the creation of Israel, the Palastianians only had a uprising when the UN tried to unjustly rip apart the country into two seperate ones.. The jews never want to share a country with them, because they would be the minority and have no real power. Thats why they have always refused about allowing all the Palastinian refugees from coming back. The wave of revisionist historians have found that the claims by the Palastian side on the events through out the years to be more accurate than the claims of Israel.. I would be more sympathetic to Israel if it were not controled the majority of its life as a nation by the hardliners which started by people like Ben-Gurion.. Which on numerous occassions pre-empitaviely attacked nieghboring nations like Egypt.

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Given history, I think a few dozen Palestinians with rocks are more dangerous than Hezbollah rockets. :|
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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]There is a huge nationalist movement that wants to dismantle Israel and reinstante Palastine.. Lets face it Israel was created under some highly immoral circumstances, where the UN wanted to break apart the country.. And when the Palastinians predictably enough rebelled due to outrage, they were forced out of the country completely with out compensation.. The Israeli conflict runs far deeper than religion.... One of Israel's greatest enemies sense its creation was Egypt under the leadership of Nasser which wasn't considered a large Islamic leader, but a Pan Arab nationalist.sSubZerOo

Neither side wants to consider this from the others perspective. In an ideal world, Israel would be a shared state of dual Jewish/Muslim identity. It's because of the religious factors that this isn't really acceptibe to either side.

There were already a sizable amount of jewish population before the creation of Israel, the Palastianians only had a uprising when the UN tried to unjustly rip apart the country into two seperate ones.. The jews never want to share a country with them, because they would be the minority and have no real power. Thats why they have always refused about allowing all the Palastinian refugees from coming back.

I don't really call registering them as dhimmi, charging them a tax, and restricting their social and legal rights a fair deal.

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There is a huge nationalist movement that wants to dismantle Israel and reinstante Palastine.. Lets face it Israel was created under some highly immoral circumstances, where the UN wanted to break apart the country.. And when the Palastinians predictably enough rebelled due to outrage, they were forced out of the country completely with out compensation.. The Israeli conflict runs far deeper than religion.... One of Israel's greatest enemies sense its creation was Egypt under the leadership of Nasser which wasn't considered a large Islamic leader, but a Pan Arab nationalist.sSubZerOo

"Highly immoral circumstances"? Do you even know what you're talking about? Let me tell you how Israel was formed - in '48, when the British were leaving the Palestine, they offered a simple plan on how to divide the "country" (which wasn't even a country yet) - more or less in half, with the Palestinians getting the better parts (it's true, israeli part was mostly desert).Israel quickly agreed and proclaimed Independence on their land.

Angry with the fact Israel is getting any land at all, Palestinians (and all the other Arab country in the region, 7 in total) attacked Israel. And after Israel has turned the tables, the Palestinians ran away, so Israel took over the lands (that weren't even a country, Palestinians never even bothered to proclaim Independence).

So basically, instead of agreeing to a peaceful solution, Palestineans tried to destroy Israel, lost, ran away, and now they complain about it.

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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Neither side wants to consider this from the others perspective. In an ideal world, Israel would be a shared state of dual Jewish/Muslim identity. It's because of the religious factors that this isn't really acceptibe to either side.

There were already a sizable amount of jewish population before the creation of Israel, the Palastianians only had a uprising when the UN tried to unjustly rip apart the country into two seperate ones.. The jews never want to share a country with them, because they would be the minority and have no real power. Thats why they have always refused about allowing all the Palastinian refugees from coming back.

I don't really call registering them as dhimmi, charging them a tax, and restricting their social and legal rights a fair deal.

I never said it was a fair deal or not.. I am just trying to point out that falsehoods how people always believe the muslim population there are the aggressors.. And the Israeli's are the innocents forced to defend them selves.. When often times the large amount of the conflicts were caused by Israel.. Both sides are guilty, the only problem is in the end the Palastians have a right to be angry.. They were forced out of their homes with no compensation and some to this very day still live in poverty.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]There is a huge nationalist movement that wants to dismantle Israel and reinstante Palastine.. Lets face it Israel was created under some highly immoral circumstances, where the UN wanted to break apart the country.. And when the Palastinians predictably enough rebelled due to outrage, they were forced out of the country completely with out compensation.. The Israeli conflict runs far deeper than religion.... One of Israel's greatest enemies sense its creation was Egypt under the leadership of Nasser which wasn't considered a large Islamic leader, but a Pan Arab nationalist.XanderKage

"Highly immoral circumstances"? Do you even know what you're talking about? Let me tell you how Israel was formed - in '48, when the British were leaving the Palestine, they offered a simple plan on how to divide the "country" (which wasn't even a country yet) - more or less in half, with the Palestinians getting the better parts (it's true, israeli part was mostly desert).Israel quickly agreed and proclaimed Independence on their land.

Angry with the fact Israel is getting any land at all, Palestinians (and all the other Arab country in the region, 7 in total) attacked Israel. And after Israel has turned the tables, the Palestinians ran away, so Israel took over the lands (that weren't even a country, Palestinians never even bothered to proclaim Independence).

So basically, instead of agreeing to a peaceful solution, Palestineans tried to destroy Israel, lost, ran away, and now they complain about it.

... Peaceful solution it was THEIR country, the UN had no right to have it split.. And when the Palastians revolted they didn't "run away" they were forced out of their homes.. Maybe you should actually READ some history.. Let me start you off.. http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Wall-Israel-Arab-World/dp/0393321126/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250110463&sr=8-1... No side is innocent here, both sides have their skeletons in their closet.. And Israels was part way that, as well as their hardliners government where they attacked their neighbors on numerous occasions as well as expanded on territories that was not recognized as their territory.
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Israel is simply a stupid country. They haven't solved a nagging problem for 60+ years. :|

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... Peaceful solution it was THEIR country, the UN had no right to have it split.. And when the Palastians revolted they didn't "run away" they were forced out of their homes.. Maybe you should actually READ some history.. Let me start you off.. http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Wall-Israel-Arab-World/dp/0393321126/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250110463&sr=8-1... No side is innocent here, both sides have their skeletons in their closet.. And Israels was part way that, as well as their hardliners government where they attacked their neighbors on numerous occasions as well as expanded on territories that was not recognized as their territory.sSubZerOo

It wasn't "their country". The land was under British control. Yes, the Palestineas lived there for a long time, until they were forced out (still their fault, btw) - just live the Israeli lived there for a long time until they were forced out. Sure, the Israeli were forced out ages ago, but it actually was their country (or kingdom, whatever) back then.

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There is a 90% chance i'm going to study in Lebanon for uni. NO WAR PL0X.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]... Peaceful solution it was THEIR country, the UN had no right to have it split.. And when the Palastians revolted they didn't "run away" they were forced out of their homes.. Maybe you should actually READ some history.. Let me start you off.. http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Wall-Israel-Arab-World/dp/0393321126/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250110463&sr=8-1... No side is innocent here, both sides have their skeletons in their closet.. And Israels was part way that, as well as their hardliners government where they attacked their neighbors on numerous occasions as well as expanded on territories that was not recognized as their territory.XanderKage

It wasn't "their country". The land was under British control. Yes, the Palestineas lived there for a long time, until they were forced out (still their fault, btw) - just live the Israeli lived there for a long time until they were forced out. Sure, the Israeli were forced out ages ago, but it actually was their country (or kingdom, whatever) back then.

Actually Great Britain pulled out before the country was seperated.. Because the Jewish population revolted against Great Britian.... Britian didn't want any thing to do with them, it was infact supported by the United States and Russia.. How was it "their fault" innocent people were forced out by it.. Seriously stop tryign to make this a black and white issue.. Neither side is just, both have their skeletons under their closet.. It irks the hell out of me when people act like Israel has done no evil when they have.. Even during the creation of Israel there was no good or bad guys.. ISrael forces were infact linked with a few massacres of civilians that refused to leave their homes they owned.. Palastians to this day still have their house keys to which a Israeli family now lives in.. The Israeli forces didn't just kick out people who revolted they kicked out all non Jewish population in the region.. That group of people were given no compensation for the theft of their property and were basically marooned to live in shanty towns and extreme poverty.. I say again there is no good or bad side.
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]"innocent" my A$$.you clearly dont know these jewisg settlers.just search youtube/or any decent news site and see for yourself how these settlers gather up,carry guns and rods and raid the plaestinians farms and houses in the west bank.also,the israeli government issue legal notes to people to leave thier homes,and then they give them to jweisg setlters in the west bank and jerusalemZuluking187

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2007/08/06/Israeli-school-hit-with-rocket-from-Gaza/UPI-28971186429286/

Its a shame the rocket missed those evil Jewish children.:(

boo-hoo,palestinian children and schools were hit hunders of time in the last ten years.dont measure this one incident with those hundreds
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[QUOTE="XanderKage"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]... Peaceful solution it was THEIR country, the UN had no right to have it split.. And when the Palastians revolted they didn't "run away" they were forced out of their homes.. Maybe you should actually READ some history.. Let me start you off.. http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Wall-Israel-Arab-World/dp/0393321126/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250110463&sr=8-1... No side is innocent here, both sides have their skeletons in their closet.. And Israels was part way that, as well as their hardliners government where they attacked their neighbors on numerous occasions as well as expanded on territories that was not recognized as their territory.sSubZerOo

It wasn't "their country". The land was under British control. Yes, the Palestineas lived there for a long time, until they were forced out (still their fault, btw) - just live the Israeli lived there for a long time until they were forced out. Sure, the Israeli were forced out ages ago, but it actually was their country (or kingdom, whatever) back then.

Actually Great Britain pulled out before the country was seperated.. Because the Jewish population revolted against Great Britian.... Britian didn't want any thing to do with them, it was infact supported by the United States and Russia.. How was it "their fault" innocent people were forced out by it.. Seriously stop tryign to make this a black and white issue.. Neither side is just, both have their skeletons under their closet.. It irks the hell out of me when people act like Israel has done no evil when they have.. Even during the creation of Israel there was no good or bad guys.. ISrael forces were infact linked with a few massacres of civilians that refused to leave their homes they owned.. Palastians to this day still have their house keys to which a Israeli family now lives in.. The Israeli forces didn't just kick out people who revolted they kicked out all non Jewish population in the region.. That group of people were given no compensation for the theft of their property and were basically marooned to live in shanty towns and extreme poverty.. I say again there is no good or bad side.

Other methods were tried first. The Arab Revolt of 1936-1939 was largely a muslim revolt against selling land to Jews, and Jewish immigration. It's far more complicated than you're making it out to be.

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Actually Great Britain pulled out before the country was seperated.. Because the Jewish population revolted against Great Britian.... Britian didn't want any thing to do with them, it was infact supported by the United States and Russia.. How was it "their fault" innocent people were forced out by it.. Seriously stop tryign to make this a black and white issue.. Neither side is just, both have their skeletons under their closet.. It irks the hell out of me when people act like Israel has done no evil when they have.. Even during the creation of Israel there was no good or bad guys.. ISrael forces were infact linked with a few massacres of civilians that refused to leave their homes they owned.. Palastians to this day still have their house keys to which a Israeli family now lives in.. The Israeli forces didn't just kick out people who revolted they kicked out all non Jewish population in the region.. That group of people were given no compensation for the theft of their property and were basically marooned to live in shanty towns and extreme poverty.. I say again there is no good or bad side.sSubZerOo

Whatever, man. I'm saying that all the vevil Israel does is aimed to supressing Palestineans from attacking Israel. On the other hand, all the evil the Palestenians do is aimed to simply hurt Israel.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Actually Great Britain pulled out before the country was seperated.. Because the Jewish population revolted against Great Britian.... Britian didn't want any thing to do with them, it was infact supported by the United States and Russia.. How was it "their fault" innocent people were forced out by it.. Seriously stop tryign to make this a black and white issue.. Neither side is just, both have their skeletons under their closet.. It irks the hell out of me when people act like Israel has done no evil when they have.. Even during the creation of Israel there was no good or bad guys.. ISrael forces were infact linked with a few massacres of civilians that refused to leave their homes they owned.. Palastians to this day still have their house keys to which a Israeli family now lives in.. The Israeli forces didn't just kick out people who revolted they kicked out all non Jewish population in the region.. That group of people were given no compensation for the theft of their property and were basically marooned to live in shanty towns and extreme poverty.. I say again there is no good or bad side.XanderKage

Whatever, man. I'm saying that all the vevil Israel does is aimed to supressing Palestineans from attacking Israel. On the other hand, all the evil the Palestenians do is aimed to simply hurt Israel.

Its aimed to get rid of Israel.. Seriously your ideas are typical propaganda.. Israel's main strategy has always been forcing their so called enemies to committ their terms and never bend.. And the Palastinians WANT THEIR NATION back.. You seem not to realize that people were dragged out of their homes and forced into squalor.. And Israel has on numerous occassions has attacked countries unprovoked.. Look at what they did to Egypt on numerous occassions.. Hell they almost started World War 3 when they drove Egypt into a corner by a unprovked invasion which caused Russia to threaten them with retaliation.. Infact the United States for the longest time disliked Israel becuase they caused huge problems for the Cold War.. Oh what about when the Israeli army surrounded one of the major cities in Lebenon and bombing it to rubble.. Seriously maybe you should read up on the stuff, because Israel's hardliner government has caused many awful things as well.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="XanderKage"]

It wasn't "their country". The land was under British control. Yes, the Palestineas lived there for a long time, until they were forced out (still their fault, btw) - just live the Israeli lived there for a long time until they were forced out. Sure, the Israeli were forced out ages ago, but it actually was their country (or kingdom, whatever) back then.

br0kenrabbit

Actually Great Britain pulled out before the country was seperated.. Because the Jewish population revolted against Great Britian.... Britian didn't want any thing to do with them, it was infact supported by the United States and Russia.. How was it "their fault" innocent people were forced out by it.. Seriously stop tryign to make this a black and white issue.. Neither side is just, both have their skeletons under their closet.. It irks the hell out of me when people act like Israel has done no evil when they have.. Even during the creation of Israel there was no good or bad guys.. ISrael forces were infact linked with a few massacres of civilians that refused to leave their homes they owned.. Palastians to this day still have their house keys to which a Israeli family now lives in.. The Israeli forces didn't just kick out people who revolted they kicked out all non Jewish population in the region.. That group of people were given no compensation for the theft of their property and were basically marooned to live in shanty towns and extreme poverty.. I say again there is no good or bad side.

Other methods were tried first. The Arab Revolt of 1936-1939 was largely a muslim revolt against selling land to Jews, and Jewish immigration. It's far more complicated than you're making it out to be.

Thats because Britian was being bent by zionist ideas sense right after World War 1 when they started supporting in moving them there.. This obviously would cause uproar when the Jews were actually attempting to create a nation with in a nation, through the abuse of imperialism that Britian had. So I say again no side is right in this, both sides have alot of crap they have done they are not proud of.. The difference was far more innocents on the muslim side were hurt than the Israeli side.. And in the end they lost, so its pretty obvious why they are pissed..

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Zuluking187"]

"innocent" my A$$.you clearly dont know these jewisg settlers.just search youtube/or any decent news site and see for yourself how these settlers gather up,carry guns and rods and raid the plaestinians farms and houses in the west bank.also,the israeli government issue legal notes to people to leave thier homes,and then they give them to jweisg setlters in the west bank and jerusalemGazaAli
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2007/08/06/Israeli-school-hit-with-rocket-from-Gaza/UPI-28971186429286/

Its a shame the rocket missed those evil Jewish children.:(

boo-hoo,palestinian children and schools were hit hunders of time in the last ten years.dont measure this one incident with those hundreds

Evil acts committed by one side don't condone evil acts committed by the other.
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Zuluking187"]http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2007/08/06/Israeli-school-hit-with-rocket-from-Gaza/UPI-28971186429286/

Its a shame the rocket missed those evil Jewish children.:(

sonicare

boo-hoo,palestinian children and schools were hit hunders of time in the last ten years.dont measure this one incident with those hundreds

Evil acts committed by one side don't condone evil acts committed by the other.

Basically its a fubar situation and I still have no clue why the US government is supporting them isntead of just keeping out of the situation where there is clearly no just side.

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#142 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Zuluking187"]http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2007/08/06/Israeli-school-hit-with-rocket-from-Gaza/UPI-28971186429286/

Its a shame the rocket missed those evil Jewish children.:(

sonicare

boo-hoo,palestinian children and schools were hit hunders of time in the last ten years.dont measure this one incident with those hundreds

Evil acts committed by one side don't condone evil acts committed by the other.

LMFAO,so dam the palestinians for this incident and bless the israeli for their hundreds?because Evil acts committed by one side don't condone evil acts committed by the other

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[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] boo-hoo,palestinian children and schools were hit hunders of time in the last ten years.dont measure this one incident with those hundreds sSubZerOo

Evil acts committed by one side don't condone evil acts committed by the other.

Basically its a fubar situation and I still have no clue why the US government is supporting them isntead of just keeping out of the situation where there is clearly no just side.

I agree with you there. I have no idea why the US government insists on almost unilateral support for Israel regardless of their actions. At least Obama is starting to put some pressure on Israel to act more fair.
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boo-hoo,palestinian children and schools were hit hunders of time in the last ten years.dont measure this one incident with those hundreds GazaAli
So because of things outside of their control the Israeli children are no longer innocent? Which is what my post was referring too when you said,

"not because i feel sorry for those who they fell on them,but because they make us looks bad with the fact that they dont cause any damage whatsoever".

Also Israel only hits a school either on accident or when Hamas is firing from. Hamas tries to hit schools regardless.

because Evil acts committed by one side don't condone evil acts committed by the otherGazaAli

Thats exactly what he just said:?

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"] boo-hoo,palestinian children and schools were hit hunders of time in the last ten years.dont measure this one incident with those hundreds Zuluking187

So because of things outside of their control the Israeli children are no longer innocent? Which is what my post was referring too when you said,

"not because i feel sorry for those who they fell on them,but because they make us looks bad with the fact that they dont cause any damage whatsoever".

Also Israel only hits a school either on accident or when Hamas is firing from. Hamas tries to hit schools regardless.

Israel is just as bad as the other side.. They have throughout history of the nation have indescriminately targeted locations with no care for collateral damage.. They did it just recently a few years back with hezzoballah where the country wasn't even supporting the group, but Israel actually caused more deaths of innocents than actually the party attacking them.. The nations hardliner government on dozens of occasions have shown to have little care for collateral damage.. Yet again I am not saying all of either side is evil.. Its just I can't stand when peopel claim Israel to be some how just when they are more or less just as bad as the other side.
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"] boo-hoo,palestinian children and schools were hit hunders of time in the last ten years.dont measure this one incident with those hundreds Zuluking187

So because of things outside of their control the Israeli children are no longer innocent? Which is what my post was referring too when you said,

"not because i feel sorry for those who they fell on them,but because they make us looks bad with the fact that they dont cause any damage whatsoever".

Also Israel only hits a school either on accident or when Hamas is firing from. Hamas tries to hit schools regardless.

because Evil acts committed by one side don't condone evil acts committed by the otherGazaAli

Thats exactly what he just said:?

clearly you are brain washed,any dump person can tell this.you choose to believe israel and justify their acts,so yes you are brain washed.
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clearly you are brain washed,any dump person can tell this.you choose to believe israel and justify their acts,so yes you are brain washed.GazaAli

First: Ad Hominen

Second: Your post dosen't at all address what I said.

Third: I am neither pro-Palastine or pro-Israel.

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#148 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"] clearly you are brain washed,any dump person can tell this.you choose to believe israel and justify their acts,so yes you are brain washed.Zuluking187

First: Ad Hominen

Second: Your post dosen't at all address what I said.

Third: I am neither pro-Palastine or pro-Israel.

my post does not address what you said because it does not deserve it.in life in general,when two people fight,they will accuse the other person with lots things.when a 3rd party comes and decide to justify one of the two,its clear to the blind that he is biased to him.i mean how do you know israel hit schools and children by accident? and how many "accidents" one do,1,2,3...100???????? 1000 O_O
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[QUOTE="Zuluking187"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] clearly you are brain washed,any dump person can tell this.you choose to believe israel and justify their acts,so yes you are brain washed.GazaAli

First: Ad Hominen

Second: Your post dosen't at all address what I said.

Third: I am neither pro-Palastine or pro-Israel.

my post does not address what you said because it does not deserve it.in life in general,when two people fight,they will accuse the other person with lots things.when a 3rd party comes and decide to justify one of the two,its clear to the blind that he is biased to him.i mean how do you know israel hit schools and children by accident? and how many "accidents" one do,1,2,3...100???????? 1000 O_O

Israel has done many bad things, but that doesn't mean that 10 dead Palestinian kids is worse than the death of 1 Jewish kid and vice versa. :|

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my post does not address what you said because it does not deserve it.in life in general,when two people fight,they will accuse the other person with lots things.when a 3rd party comes and decide to justify one of the two,its clear to the blind that he is biased to him.i mean how do you know israel hit schools and children by accident? and how many "accidents" one do,1,2,3...100???????? 1000 O_OGazaAli

"not because i feel sorry for those who they fell on them,but because they make us looks bad with the fact that they dont cause any damage whatsoever"

Judging from this post it seems as though you are upset Hamas rockets aren't killing civilians. Which is what this argument is about. It isn't about whether or not it's justifiable.

And why would I say Israel isn't targeted schools just to kill children? Well...

1) Israel tries to warn the civilians http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/10/abbas-gaza-israel-truce

2) If Israel truly wanted to kill children, they have much more effecient ways of doing it.

3) Israel has the capabilities to wipe out Palastine, yet dosen't.

Going by history, if Palastine had the the capabilities, they would wipe out Israel.