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Science has PROVEN, that there are no differentiations among humans, other than cosmetic features, like our skin color etc.
Maybe these higher stroke rates are due to what they do/eatlive etc and in-directly make the stroke rate high?
Science has PROVEN, that there are no differentiations among humans, other than cosmetic features, like our skin color etc.
Maybe these higher stroke rates are due to what they do/eatlive etc and in-directly make the stroke rate high?TheAcountantMan
That's actually false. Genetic disorders vary in frequency amongst various races as well.
Hey OT you've got to look at the socio-economics of it all.
Specifcally speaking: Do people living near (250%)or below the poverty line have less access to healthcare and are more likely tohave unhealthy habits? Simple answer is yes.
Now what are some demographics surrounding this? 8.6% of all European Americans, 11.8% of all Asian Americans, 23.2% of all Hispanics (of any nationality), 24.2% of all American Indians and Alaska Natives, 24.7% of all African Americans.
The poorer you are the more susceptable to these ailments you are. Nearly a quarter of all Latinos and Blacks in the US are below the poverty line.
It's not rocket science.
its all about what we eat. i get up 4am in the morning everyday because im pact full wit beans. hispanics are also big fans of pork so u kno thats not healthy. black people love chicken and that cant be good for the health tho every race is distracted by fast food. white people probably eat healthier than anyone. what do u white people eat anyway? corn potatos and stake? i grew up eating hispanic food and its never been healthy lolplaymynutzThis has got to be the most ignorant post I have ever seen.
Hey OT you've got to look at the socio-economics of it all.
Specifcally speaking: Do people living near (250%)or below the poverty line have less access to healthcare and are more likely tohave unhealthy habits? Simple answer is yes.
Now what are some demographics surrounding this? 8.6% of all European Americans, 11.8% of all Asian Americans, 23.2% of all Hispanics (of any nationality), 24.2% of all American Indians and Alaska Natives, 24.7% of all African Americans.
The poorer you are the more susceptable to these ailments you are. Nearly a quarter of all Latinos and Blacks in the US are below the poverty line.
It's not rocket science.
Ultimas_Blade
He speaks the truth.
its all about what we eat. i get up 4am in the morning everyday because im pact full wit beans. hispanics are also big fans of pork so u kno thats not healthy. black people love chicken and that cant be good for the health tho every race is distracted by fast food. white people probably eat healthier than anyone. what do u white people eat anyway? corn potatos and stake? i grew up eating hispanic food and its never been healthy lolplaymynutz
What is it like living under a rock?
various groups are more likely to get disorders and diseases.. nothing newweezyfb
Unless you are speaking economically, that's untrue man. If you removed the impoverished people from the equation, life expectancy and quality of life (healthy-ness) shoot up. The disparities between socio-economic classes is what makes the TC's statement correct.
[QUOTE="TheAcountantMan"]
Science has PROVEN, that there are no differentiations among humans, other than cosmetic features, like our skin color etc.
Maybe these higher stroke rates are due to what they do/eatlive etc and in-directly make the stroke rate high?mattbbpl
That's actually false. Genetic disorders vary in frequency amongst various races as well.
Uhh..yeahh..no.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/12-of-the-DNA-Differs-Amongst-Human-Races-and-Populations-40872.shtml
They differ, because of their experiences, different "races" go through. where they live, what they do, what they eat, etc.
White people on average, tend to be wealthier, than the mentioned "races", with wealth, comes a more comfortable life, better quality food, less stress etc, this may come as a surprise to you, but.........that helps reduce strokes :@, :roll:
[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]
[QUOTE="TheAcountantMan"]
Science has PROVEN, that there are no differentiations among humans, other than cosmetic features, like our skin color etc.
Maybe these higher stroke rates are due to what they do/eatlive etc and in-directly make the stroke rate high?TheAcountantMan
That's actually false. Genetic disorders vary in frequency amongst various races as well.
Uhh..yeahh..no.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/12-of-the-DNA-Differs-Amongst-Human-Races-and-Populations-40872.shtml
They differ, because of their experiences, different "races" go through. where they live, what they do, what they eat, etc.
White people on average, tend to be wealthier, than the mentioned "races", with wealth, comes a more comfortable life, better quality food, less stress etc, this may come as a surprise to you, but.........that helps reduce strokes :@, :roll:
[QUOTE="TheAcountantMan"]
[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]
That's actually false. Genetic disorders vary in frequency amongst various races as well.
mattbbpl
Uhh..yeahh..no.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/12-of-the-DNA-Differs-Amongst-Human-Races-and-Populations-40872.shtml
They differ, because of their experiences, different "races" go through. where they live, what they do, what they eat, etc.
White people on average, tend to be wealthier, than the mentioned "races", with wealth, comes a more comfortable life, better quality food, less stress etc, this may come as a surprise to you, but.........that helps reduce strokes :@, :roll:
That variability in disorders is not tied to race but to regions. There are many more mosquitoes in certain parts of Africa than in others and therefore, due to natural selection, locations that have higher mosquito and by extension malaria counts also have higher occurrences of heterogeneity and recessive homogeneity for the sickle cell anemia gene.
I'm not sure why you focused on stroke, as the article I posted mentioned several genetic disorders that have varying rates - Such as sickle-cell anemia.[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]
[QUOTE="TheAcountantMan"]
Uhh..yeahh..no.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/12-of-the-DNA-Differs-Amongst-Human-Races-and-Populations-40872.shtml
They differ, because of their experiences, different "races" go through. where they live, what they do, what they eat, etc.
White people on average, tend to be wealthier, than the mentioned "races", with wealth, comes a more comfortable life, better quality food, less stress etc, this may come as a surprise to you, but.........that helps reduce strokes :@, :roll:Former_Slacker
That variability in disorders is not tied to race but to regions. There are many more mosquitoes in certain parts of Africa than in others and therefore, due to natural selection, locations that have higher mosquito and by extension malaria counts also have higher occurrences of heterogeneity and recessive homogeneity for the sickle cell anemia gene.
True, it's not uniform across all segments of a race. My point was simply that there're genetic differences in the race groups as a whole that cause certain disorders to manifest themselves in varying rates. Not all varying disorder rates stem from life****choices/limitations (although some certainly do).[QUOTE="TheAcountantMan"]
[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]
That's actually false. Genetic disorders vary in frequency amongst various races as well.
mattbbpl
Uhh..yeahh..no.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/12-of-the-DNA-Differs-Amongst-Human-Races-and-Populations-40872.shtml
They differ, because of their experiences, different "races" go through. where they live, what they do, what they eat, etc.
White people on average, tend to be wealthier, than the mentioned "races", with wealth, comes a more comfortable life, better quality food, less stress etc, this may come as a surprise to you, but.........that helps reduce strokes :@, :roll:
I have sickle cell trait. There are explanations for specific groups to be considered high risk for disorders like this. Those who have Sickle Cell Anemia or just carry the trait like me are immune toMalaria, a disease that was typical in places where my ancestors lived. Malaria is can be pretty deadly, so people who had sickle cell or the trait were more likely to survive.
I'm pretty sure there are other similar situations when it comes to certain groups being "high risk".
EDIT: Damn you Former_Slacker, stealing my thunder... :P
I'm not sure why you focused on stroke, as the article I posted mentioned several genetic disorders that have varying rates - Such as sickle-cell anemia.[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]
[QUOTE="TheAcountantMan"]
Uhh..yeahh..no.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/12-of-the-DNA-Differs-Amongst-Human-Races-and-Populations-40872.shtml
They differ, because of their experiences, different "races" go through. where they live, what they do, what they eat, etc.
White people on average, tend to be wealthier, than the mentioned "races", with wealth, comes a more comfortable life, better quality food, less stress etc, this may come as a surprise to you, but.........that helps reduce strokes :@, :roll:Ultimas_Blade
I have sickle cell trait. There are explanations for specific groups to be considered high risk for disorders like this. Those who have Sickle Cell Anemia or just carry the trait like me are immune toMalaria, a disease that was typical in places where my ancestors lived. Malaria is can be pretty deadly, so people who had sickle cell or the trait were more likely to survive.
I'm pretty sure there are other similar situations when it comes to certain groups being "high risk".
Exactly. I'm not disagreeing with any of those points.[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]
[QUOTE="TheAcountantMan"]
Science has PROVEN, that there are no differentiations among humans, other than cosmetic features, like our skin color etc.
Maybe these higher stroke rates are due to what they do/eatlive etc and in-directly make the stroke rate high?TheAcountantMan
That's actually false. Genetic disorders vary in frequency amongst various races as well.
Uhh..yeahh..no.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/12-of-the-DNA-Differs-Amongst-Human-Races-and-Populations-40872.shtml
They differ, because of their experiences, different "races" go through. where they live, what they do, what they eat, etc.
White people on average, tend to be wealthier, than the mentioned "races", with wealth, comes a more comfortable life, better quality food, less stress etc, this may come as a surprise to you, but.........that helps reduce strokes :@, :roll:
Uhhh...yes. Blacks are more likely to get sickle-cell anemia. Whites are more likely to be born with Crohn's Disease. There are plenty more. Genetic diseases have nothing to with your socioeconoimic status...
[QUOTE="playmynutz"]its all about what we eat. i get up 4am in the morning everyday because im pact full wit beans. hispanics are also big fans of pork so u kno thats not healthy. black people love chicken and that cant be good for the health tho every race is distracted by fast food. white people probably eat healthier than anyone. what do u white people eat anyway? corn potatos and stake? i grew up eating hispanic food and its never been healthy lolUltimas_BladeThis has got to be the most ignorant post I have ever seen.
I have to agree, if its a fake post it is a work of pure genius, if its a real post I fear for the future of humanity.
Just mins before I started this thread, I read this in the newspaper( Chicago Sun-Times) Here are some hightlights from the article. " African Americans, for instance, have high rates of hypertension, diabetes and obesity, while Hispanics have a prevalence of metabolic syndrome and diabetes compared to whites" .PSP107
And? I fail to see the problem.
If you want some sort of "equilibrium" fine: Caucasians have higher risk of developing testicle cancer. Happy?
[QUOTE="weezyfb"]various groups are more likely to get disorders and diseases.. nothing newUltimas_Blade
Unless you are speaking economically, that's untrue man. If you removed the impoverished people from the equation, life expectancy and quality of life (healthy-ness) shoot up. The disparities between socio-economic classes is what makes the TC's statement correct.
If you said that in my pathophysiology class you'd have been failed immediately. It's a very well documented fact that risks for certain diseases vary with race. This has nothing to do with racism or socio-economics, it's all about genetics. The very fact that the "looks" differ between races should be proof enough that genetics are very variable between races.
[QUOTE="TheAcountantMan"]
Science has PROVEN, that there are no differentiations among humans, other than cosmetic features, like our skin color etc.
Maybe these higher stroke rates are due to what they do/eatlive etc and in-directly make the stroke rate high?mattbbpl
That's actually false. Genetic disorders vary in frequency amongst various races as well.
Not to mention, brain sizes, cell numbers, brain structure, sense of smell, color differentiation, differing pain receptors, different blood pressures, different levels of certain hormones, different blood cells, different lifespans. That's with sexes... Let's not get into the obvious, reproductive systems, sexual organs, skin thickness, body hair, muscle mass, bone density and strength etc...
Race is too much of a touchy subject for scientists to get into, so it's publicly blacklisted (see James Watson).
Genetic disorders, intelligence and most of that is largely due to environment. Problem is the environment also affects the children before they're even born, evolutionary process takes awhile to hit some. Skin color doesn't really matter, there's a correlation, yeah, but it's not like there's some pokemon evolution where the whole body takes a a dramatic change.
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I thought it was common knowledge that african-americans/blacks were at a higher risk for heart disease than other races...
Bet the white supremists are cheering at this news.
Morphic
Why? There's a bunch of diseases that are more common in Caucasians. Most skin conditions for example and some cancer types.
Race is too much of a touchy subject for scientists to get into, so it's publicly blacklisted (see James Watson).JustusCF
I'm taking a pharmacy degree and we study diseases (obviously) and we talk about how some conditions are more common in certain races all the time. Scientists don't give a crap about race issues because they are discussing facts and no amount of bickering from overly touchy people can change facts. Blacks and Hispanics are more inclined to have strokes. FACT. Deal with it.
Racism at its best.conistant
How is it racism? Regardless of what PC society wants to believe, races aren't exactly identical. Some diseases and disorders have a much higher occurance in certain races than in others.
It's not racism, it's just how it works.
Science has PROVEN, that there are no differentiations among humans, other than cosmetic features, like our skin color etc.
Maybe these higher stroke rates are due to what they do/eatlive etc and in-directly make the stroke rate high?TheAcountantMan
Could you explain Sickle Cell Anemia, then?
and white people are more at risks at getting skin cancer, who cares and also everybody loves fried chicken, its effin deliciious.
[QUOTE="PSP107"]Just mins before I started this thread, I read this in the newspaper( Chicago Sun-Times) Here are some hightlights from the article. " African Americans, for instance, have high rates of hypertension, diabetes and obesity, while Hispanics have a prevalence of metabolic syndrome and diabetes compared to whites" .Cataclism
And? I fail to see the problem.
If you want some sort of "equilibrium" fine: Caucasians have higher risk of developing testicle cancer. Happy?
What you mean and? I just thought it was an interesting topic to diccuss. It seems you and othe GameSpot members are bringing up interesting points to the diccussion.Scientists don't give a crap about race issuesCataclismActually they do. There has been some (controversial) research into race related intelligence. Most of the scientist who participate are slandered as trash and the field becomes almost impossible to progress in. Hence why a lot of differences between races are unknown.
Not being politically correct these days can ruin your career
Actually they do. There has been some (controversial) research into race related intelligence. Most of the scientist who participate are slandered as trash and the field becomes almost impossible to progress in. Hence why a lot of differences between races are unknown.[QUOTE="Cataclism"]Scientists don't give a crap about race issuesOverlord93
Not being politically correct these days can ruin your career
People already gave a chance for scientist to investigate the difference between humans and classify their differences as if they were animal groups. Long story short, things went to s***, people all over the who weren't white (coincidentally the "race" of people that did the studies) got the short end of the stick and we got the f******* holocaust. So yeah, I'd rather scientist keep being PC.Actually they do. There has been some (controversial) research into race related intelligence. Most of the scientist who participate are slandered as trash and the field becomes almost impossible to progress in. Hence why a lot of differences between races are unknown.[QUOTE="Cataclism"]Scientists don't give a crap about race issuesOverlord93
Not being politically correct these days can ruin your career
Not on the health field which is the field I study and that we are discussing. Professors sometimes ask these things (which race gets more this and more that) in tests. It's very important to take everything into consideration when you're trying to save people's lives. Not giving special attention to a person of a risk group because that risk group happens to be a race is stupid.
I'm not very familiar with those intelligence studies, but from what I gathered the difference was minimal and asians got the best results anyway. Is intelligence, given the difference was minimal it's very likely that socio-economics could play a very important part.
Just mins before I started this thread, I read this in the newspaper( Chicago Sun-Times) Here are some hightlights from the article. " African Americans, for instance, have high rates of hypertension, diabetes and obesity, while Hispanics have a prevalence of metabolic syndrome and diabetes compared to whites" .PSP107
Well I think Hispanics, and Blacks generally earn less meaning they don't have access to good food/ exercise.
I think its just due to envornmental factors. Blacks/Hispanics are more likely to become obese, so they may be more likely to get these things. I don't think its because of DNA, gens and all that other fancy stuff.
[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]
[QUOTE="weezyfb"]various groups are more likely to get disorders and diseases.. nothing newCataclism
Unless you are speaking economically, that's untrue man. If you removed the impoverished people from the equation, life expectancy and quality of life (healthy-ness) shoot up. The disparities between socio-economic classes is what makes the TC's statement correct.
If you said that in my pathophysiology class you'd have been failed immediately. It's a very well documented fact that risks for certain diseases vary with race. This has nothing to do with racism or socio-economics, it's all about genetics. The very fact that the "looks" differ between races should be proof enough that genetics are very variable between races.
And they would have been wrong to the very end. It has been the case time and time again thatthose who are more affluent end up living longer lives regardless of race smacks your fallacious assumption down. If you have access to Healthcare and better quality food and aren't engaged in backbreaking labor everyday your body is likely to have greater longevity.
[QUOTE="Cataclism"]
[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]
Unless you are speaking economically, that's untrue man. If you removed the impoverished people from the equation, life expectancy and quality of life (healthy-ness) shoot up. The disparities between socio-economic classes is what makes the TC's statement correct.
Ultimas_Blade
If you said that in my pathophysiology class you'd have been failed immediately. It's a very well documented fact that risks for certain diseases vary with race. This has nothing to do with racism or socio-economics, it's all about genetics. The very fact that the "looks" differ between races should be proof enough that genetics are very variable between races.
And they would have been wrong to the very end. It has been the case time and time again thatthose who are more affluent end up living longer lives regardless of race smacks your fallacious assumption down. If you have access to Healthcare and better quality food and aren't engaged in backbreaking labor everyday your body is likely to have greater longevity.
He's not claiming greater longevity or overrall health. He's referring to the risk factors of very specific genetic conditions. Different races have higher occurrences of specific disorders within their population. For example, people of European descent are more likely to suffer from cystic fibrosis.[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]
[QUOTE="Cataclism"]
If you said that in my pathophysiology class you'd have been failed immediately. It's a very well documented fact that risks for certain diseases vary with race. This has nothing to do with racism or socio-economics, it's all about genetics. The very fact that the "looks" differ between races should be proof enough that genetics are very variable between races.
mattbbpl
And they would have been wrong to the very end. It has been the case time and time again thatthose who are more affluent end up living longer lives regardless of race smacks your fallacious assumption down. If you have access to Healthcare and better quality food and aren't engaged in backbreaking labor everyday your body is likely to have greater longevity.
He's not claiming greater longevity or overrall health. He's referring to the risk factors of very specific genetic conditions. Different races have higher occurrences of specific disorders within their population. For example, people of European descent are more likely to suffer from cystic fibrosis.I think further investigation is warranted for each of these diseases. Of course we probably aren't going to filter this out in OT, but you can't just go on the blanket assumption because of one or two cases that most or even all are like the first cases. The same can be said of my argument as well, so I guess we are at the Agree to Disagree point.I still hold my position that those ofhigher socio-economic standing stand a better chance of not being affected by these diseases and living longer.
He's not claiming greater longevity or overrall health. He's referring to the risk factors of very specific genetic conditions. Different races have higher occurrences of specific disorders within their population. For example, people of European descent are more likely to suffer from cystic fibrosis.I think further investigation is warranted for each of these diseases. Of course we probably aren't going to filter this out in OT, but you can't just go on the blanket assumption because of one or two cases that most or even all are like the first cases. The same can be said of my argument as well, so I guess we are at the Agree to Disagree point.[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]
[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]
And they would have been wrong to the very end. It has been the case time and time again thatthose who are more affluent end up living longer lives regardless of race smacks your fallacious assumption down. If you have access to Healthcare and better quality food and aren't engaged in backbreaking labor everyday your body is likely to have greater longevity.
Ultimas_Blade
I still hold my position that those ofhigher socio-economic standing stand a better chance of not being affected by these diseases and living longer.
Then how do you explain that whites are more likely to get skin and testicle cancer? Or cystic fibrosis?
I knew race was a really touchy subject in the US more than other places but this is bordering on the insanity. You cannot deny that different races have different genetic makeups and, subsequently, higher risk than others for certain diseases. That's simply not true and you're denying a FACT just because race is involved. That's an approach that health professionals quite simply cannot follow or they would be putting lives on the line for stupid reasons.
You can deny it all you want you won't change a thing. Sorry.
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