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#101 Rhazakna
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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]Dang, I don't want to be taxed on every freaking thing my family does.battlefront23

Deal with it.

No. My family is a hard working family. I don't want lazy bums to get less taxation then me. How is that right?

To be fair, low income families are not necessarily lazy. Not at all.

I know. But they shouldn't be taxed less then my family.

I agree. That's why I support the fair tax (I think taxation is theft, but the fair tax is the best form of theft ATM).

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#102 ciredude
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Lil_Dwayne"]

http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/historians-see-little-chance-for-mccain/20080615124509990001?icid=100214839x1204010338x1200179461

This is very good news!

Sam_Lowery

Very good news indeed.

How is a racist in the White House good in any way? Could you explain that? Morals... Going out the window in todays youth.

How is he racist?

The quotes below are from Obama's book, "Dreams of My Father";
Although Obama spent various portions of his youth living with his white maternal grandfather and Indonesian stepfather, he vowed that he would "never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."

This is from "Audacity of Hope";
"There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

From "Dreams";
"The emotion between the races could never be pure," "Even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart."

"There was something about him that made me wary," Obama wrote. "A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white"

That's just how things were back then, y'know?

It wasn't an easy time for black people.

And besides, what's wrong with emulating MLK or W.E.B. DuBois or Nelson Mandela?

Though Malcom X was a bitter, hateful man... I still don't understand why a lot of people admire him so much.

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#103 jalexbrown
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If you ask me (which nobody actually did), I think Obama is, perhaps, the better of two evils. Either president will be expensive, just for different reasons. As a matter of fact, ALL politicians are too expensive. That's really one of my critical problems with all politicians is that they go out with all these plans about how to better the world and don't care who has to pay for it or how. I can see how it's not necessarily fair to tax people more if they make more, but at the same time I can see how it is. It really depends on which side of the fence you're sitting on, really. I'm not rich by any stretch (I'm a college kid living in an apartment with my wife making a combined income under $30,000), but I'm not on any sort of governement assistance, either. I'd be happy if I didn't have to pay into the welfare system, because I don't agree with how the system is set up and ran at the moment. There needs to be a major redraft to the welfare plan, but such a high percentage is okay with it the way it is that a politician is afraid to talk about welfare reform.
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#104 battlefront23
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[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

I know. But they shouldn't be taxed less then my family.

GabuEx

You have more, you contribute more... that seems perfectly fair to me.

They would get the same as my family even though my family works harder? How is that fair?

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#105 ProudLarry
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

I know. But they shouldn't be taxed less then my family.

battlefront23

You have more, you contribute more... that seems perfectly fair to me.

They would get the same as my family even though my family works harder? How is that fair?

Just because someone gets paid more than another, does not mean that they work harder. I know guys that have to work a full time job at a restaurant for only $10/hour then work a side job lying brick or cutting grass. Yet they still make less than $25K/year. This idea that poor people just don't work hard is ignorant. Yeah, theres definitely some moochers out there, but we shouldn't punish the the hard working poor because of them.
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#106 branketra
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Okay, so a bunch of scholars are like "He doesn't stand a ghost of a chance" "Indeed" and "Indubitably" and we're all supposed to be like, "okay, these guys have titles so we should follow in them in their opinions."

I'd rather be doing this all day.

Yeah!

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#107 branketra
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Though Malcom X was a bitter, hateful man... I still don't understand why a lot of people admire him so much.

ciredude

I don't think he was. I think he was just defending his beliefs and a spotlight was aimed at his eyes.

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#108 limpbizkit818
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If this country elects a democrat majority congress and a democrat president then people are going to be begging for Bush to come back in 4 years. Ok maybe that was a little over the top but still, nothing good can come out of doing this.
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#109 A_Tarkovsky
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Lil_Dwayne"]

http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/historians-see-little-chance-for-mccain/20080615124509990001?icid=100214839x1204010338x1200179461

This is very good news!

SylentButDeadly

Very good news indeed.

How is a racist in the White House good in any way? Could you explain that? Morals... Going out the window in todays youth.

What are you, 80?
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#110 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"]

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"]For the sake of your country lets hope they're wrong. Rhazakna

Nice to know non Americans actually realize the danger of Obama to, not only America, but the world.

My dad is currently tring to sell all his stocks. If Obama wins he will raise the Capital Gain tax resulting in us losing hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions. Obama hates the rich so he can get votes form the poor.

He doesn't hate the rich. He is just trying to make it fair.

Why do the rich get the tax cuts? It's not fair. Those tax cuts should go to the poor.

Taxes should be massively cut across the board, if they exist at all (which they shouldn't).

how would we pay for out military, police, schools, roads, etc?

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#111 Dracargen
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I guess my family should start reserving boxes, since that's where we'll be living after Obama implements the biggest tax increase since World War II.
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#112 helium_flash
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I dont know who I want. I agree with McCain more than Obama... but sometimes you have to take a step back before you can take a step forward.
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#113 helium_flash
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[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

I know. But they shouldn't be taxed less then my family.

ProudLarry

You have more, you contribute more... that seems perfectly fair to me.

They would get the same as my family even though my family works harder? How is that fair?

Just because someone gets paid more than another, does not mean that they work harder. I know guys that have to work a full time job at a restaurant for only $10/hour then work a side job lying brick or cutting grass. Yet they still make less than $25K/year. This idea that poor people just don't work hard is ignorant. Yeah, theres definitely some moochers out there, but we shouldn't punish the the hard working poor because of them.

And we shouldn't be punishing the rich because the poor don't make as much as them :| The poor pay about 10% taxes, while the rich pay about 35%... now what is this about unfair taxes?? :roll:
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#114 ProudLarry
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[QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

I know. But they shouldn't be taxed less then my family.

helium_flash

You have more, you contribute more... that seems perfectly fair to me.

They would get the same as my family even though my family works harder? How is that fair?

Just because someone gets paid more than another, does not mean that they work harder. I know guys that have to work a full time job at a restaurant for only $10/hour then work a side job lying brick or cutting grass. Yet they still make less than $25K/year. This idea that poor people just don't work hard is ignorant. Yeah, theres definitely some moochers out there, but we shouldn't punish the the hard working poor because of them.

And we shouldn't be punishing the rich because the poor don't make as much as them :| The poor pay about 10% taxes, while the rich pay about 35%... now what is this about unfair taxes?? :roll:

The discrepancy in incomes between people who pay 10% in taxes and 35% is huge. The people paying that much in tax are the people making combined incomes of a couple hundred thousand a year. Yeah, 35% is high, but its not prohibitively high. If a couple makes $300k/year and have that 35% tax rate, they still live on about $200k/year. They're still in a much better situation than someone making only $20k-$30k/year and having only $17k-$25k/year after taxes. The idea that taxing people who make more money than taxing those who make less is unfair, is absurd.
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#115 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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Historians, not Presentarians.
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#116 jlh47
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[QUOTE="dday2121"]

It is awful news. There is no reason my family should pay 10x more in taxes than people who don't make as much.

bman784


Unless your family is rich, I wouldn't worry about it. And if your family is rich, it shouldn't be an enormous problem.

so we're moving from a sort of democracy to socialism? the people who will be hurting the most are the middle ****

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#117 vader1231231
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Mccain is 1000x more american than that muslim "obama". If obama becomes president, the white race is SCREWED. He went to a racist church for years, and your telling me that those beliefs have'nt rubbed off on him.His wife is racist too, as she blamed katrina on "whitey".
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#118 jlh47
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[QUOTE="dday2121"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"]

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"]For the sake of your country lets hope they're wrong. bman784

Nice to know non Americans actually realize the danger of Obama to, not only America, but the world.

My dad is currently tring to sell all his stocks. If Obama wins he will raise the Capital Gain tax resulting in us losing hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions. Obama hates the rich so he can get votes form the poor.

He doesn't hate the rich. He is just trying to make it fair.

Why do the rich get the tax cuts? It's not fair. Those tax cuts should go to the poor.

Why? My father worked his *** off for those tax cuts.


No offense to the work of your father, but those tax cuts didn't exist before Bush took office. Now the economy is a mess and the deficit is through the roof.

the deficit has always been through the roof and the economy is actually in pretty good shape now. it's just that it has stayed the same. that's how capitalism works. ups and downs.

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#119 giyanks22
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Did they also predict his assassination? Im telling you, he is gonna get shot. The guys such a racist, its a miracle people still want him to be president.SylentButDeadly

I know I would bet a lot of money that some one will attempt to assassinate Obama. There are so many racists out there, who won't vote for him, because he has dark skin, as wrong as it is, it is going to catch up with Obama

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#120 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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Mccain is 1000x more american than that muslim "obama". If obama becomes president, the white race is SCREWED. He went to a racist church for years, and your telling me that those beliefs have'nt rubbed off on him.His wife is racist too, as she blamed katrina on "whitey".vader1231231
lolz the white race. I thought it was the "American race"?
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#121 jlh47
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Obama will get assassinated coz freemasons dont like black people

mingo123

he wouldn't be the first black president...

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#122 jlh47
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[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

I know. But they shouldn't be taxed less then my family.

GabuEx

You have more, you contribute more... that seems perfectly fair to me.

that's not democracy though. that's socialism.

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#123 ivanivan
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Mccain is 1000x more american than that muslim "obama". If obama becomes president, the white race is SCREWED. He went to a racist church for years, and your telling me that those beliefs have'nt rubbed off on him.His wife is racist too, as she blamed katrina on "whitey".vader1231231
So is he Muslim or Christian? Make up your mind.
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#124 duxup
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As much as I want Obama to win, I think we have to realize that this is a fairly unique historical situation.
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#125 Ontain
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Historians are usually College educated and middle class. of course they are pro-Obama ;)
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#126 Ilived
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Everyone knows historically that the black guy has always beaten the white guy in votes.
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#127 TheWalrusBeast
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

I know. But they shouldn't be taxed less then my family.

jlh47

You have more, you contribute more... that seems perfectly fair to me.

that's not democracy though. that's socialism.

Socialism is for equal everything so that is the opposite of socialism. Also democracy isn't an economic theory.:roll:

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#128 jlh47
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[QUOTE="ciredude"]

Though Malcom X was a bitter, hateful man... I still don't understand why a lot of people admire him so much.

BranKetra

I don't think he was. I think he was just defending his beliefs and a spotlight was aimed at his eyes.

"The death of over 120 white people is a very beautiful thing." [Speech in Los Angeles on June 3, 1962 upon learning of a plane crash.]

that's not bitter?

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#129 TheWalrusBeast
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="ciredude"]

Though Malcom X was a bitter, hateful man... I still don't understand why a lot of people admire him so much.

jlh47

I don't think he was. I think he was just defending his beliefs and a spotlight was aimed at his eyes.

"The death of over 120 white people is a very beautiful thing." [Speech in Los Angeles on June 3, 1962 upon learning of a plane crash.]

that's not bitter?

That's during his militant days when he advocated separation. Malcom X later reconcilied and lowered his tone.

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#130 Rikusaki
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[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

I know. But they shouldn't be taxed less then my family.

GabuEx

You have more, you contribute more... that seems perfectly fair to me.

I agree.

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#131 DrCoCoPiMp
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Obama already won, and thats all republicans fault for ****ing up the country for the 8 last yrz
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#132 Rikusaki
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Obama already won, and thats all republicans fault for ****ing up the country for the 8 last yrzDrCoCoPiMp

Yeah.

Even though McCain has some differences from Bush, he still shares a lot of policys.

The big one is the Iraq War.

According to the polls, America wants us out of Iraq.

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#133 vader1231231
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[QUOTE="vader1231231"]Mccain is 1000x more american than that muslim "obama". If obama becomes president, the white race is SCREWED. He went to a racist church for years, and your telling me that those beliefs have'nt rubbed off on him.His wife is racist too, as she blamed katrina on "whitey".Jandurin
lolz the white race. I thought it was the "American race"?

Yes, the american race too.

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#134 vader1231231
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[QUOTE="vader1231231"]Mccain is 1000x more american than that muslim "obama". If obama becomes president, the white race is SCREWED. He went to a racist church for years, and your telling me that those beliefs have'nt rubbed off on him.His wife is racist too, as she blamed katrina on "whitey".ivanivan
So is he Muslim or Christian? Make up your mind.

His father was raised as a muslim, so barack is part muslim, but he claims to be a "christian".

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#135 Xx_CYC756_xX
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how would we pay for out military, police, schools, roads, etc?

Ontain

1. Cut military spending, pull out of countries we don't need to be in, stop getting involved with some random dictators of 3rd world countries, and go back to being isolasionists.

2. That's local tax, which is more based on where you live, federal taxes can't control that.

3. Same thing as #2

4. Private companies. You know when you see roads under construction for months at a time? That's the federal/state/local funded roads, which undergo a very ineffecient process. Private companies are usually much faster.

I believe what he's trying to say is cut the federal income tax, which makes a lot of sense to me.

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#136 dday2121
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[QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Lil_Dwayne"]

http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/historians-see-little-chance-for-mccain/20080615124509990001?icid=100214839x1204010338x1200179461

This is very good news!

A_Tarkovsky

Very good news indeed.

How is a racist in the White House good in any way? Could you explain that? Morals... Going out the window in todays youth.

What are you, 80?

I lol'd

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#137 N8A
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only time will tell.