House Democrats have 216 votes needed to pass US health care reform.

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What do Americans think about this ? :) I've been hearing some pros and cons about this but I'd like to hear what's the position of OT forum about this.

Discuss.

Link.

What do Americans think about this ? :) I've been hearing some pros and cons about this but I'd like to hear what's the position of OT forum about this.

Discuss.

It passed? Wow, can't wait to hear people start complaining about Obamacare.

It passed? Wow, can't wait to hear people start complaining about Obamacare.

Snipes_2

It passed? Wow, can't wait to hear people start complaining about Obamacare.

Snipes_2

I don't see why they would.. Its suppose to lower our premiums, and obliterate the negative practices that the Health Care businesses do..

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It passed? Wow, can't wait to hear people start complaining about Obamacare.

scorch-62

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It passed? Wow, can't wait to hear people start complaining about Obamacare.

sSubZerOo

I don't see why they would.. Its suppose to lower our premiums, and obliterate the negative practices that the Health Care businesses do..

I'm not looking forward to the weeks of speeches from Obama about how great he thinks he is because he finally didn't fall fail at something. The increased taxes are going to be fun also. :|

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It passed? Wow, can't wait to hear people start complaining about Obamacare.

sSubZerOo

I don't see why they would.. Its suppose to lower our premiums, and obliterate the negative practices that the Health Care businesses do..

Meaning that insurance companies would get less $ isn't it. :? :|

Yeah, I didn't either. The Topic made me think it did. :/Snipes_2

They also thought Obama would be a great President and well...He isn't. Snipes_2

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It passed? Wow, can't wait to hear people start complaining about Obamacare.

Snipes_2

I don't see why they would.. Its suppose to lower our premiums, and obliterate the negative practices that the Health Care businesses do..

Why exactly is he considered a bad president?

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It passed? Wow, can't wait to hear people start complaining about Obamacare.

N-REAL

I don't see why they would.. Its suppose to lower our premiums, and obliterate the negative practices that the Health Care businesses do..

Meaning that insurance companies would get less $ isn't it. :? :|

Seeing as the health care industry is a multi trillion dollar industry.. To which during this build the industry launched the largest lobbying campaign in history in hundreds of millions of dollars.. I can't help but see why this is overly negative.. Furthermore its lowering our premiums because much of the costs are due to inefficencies within the system and buearcracy.. If it works of course, we have no real clue if it will or not.. But imo its far better then keeping the course of things, where the bad things are shoved off on the average day person.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Yeah, I didn't either. The Topic made me think it did. :/scorch-62

They also thought Obama would be a great President and well...He isn't. Snipes_2

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I don't see why they would.. Its suppose to lower our premiums, and obliterate the negative practices that the Health Care businesses do..

sSubZerOo

Why exactly is he considered a bad president?

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] The topic only says that Dems have the votes they need. [QUOTE="Snipes_2"]They also thought Obama would be a great President and well...He isn't. Snipes_2

.. So wait.. If your not great your bad? :|

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] What makes a great President?sSubZerOo

.. So wait.. If your not great your bad? :|

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I don't see why they would.. Its suppose to lower our premiums, and obliterate the negative practices that the Health Care businesses do..

sSubZerOo

Meaning that insurance companies would get less $ isn't it. :? :|

Seeing as the health care industry is a multi trillion dollar industry.. To which during this build the industry launched the largest lobbying campaign in history in hundreds of millions of dollars.. I can't help but see why this is overly negative.. Furthermore its lowering our premiums because much of the costs are due to inefficencies within the system and buearcracy.. If it works of course, we have no real clue if it will or not.. But imo its far better then keeping the course of things, where the bad things are shoved off on the average day person.

I agree. you have a very good point there. :)

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] They also thought Obama would be a great President and well...He isn't. Snipes_2

Why exactly is he considered a bad president?

Clearly he has done tremendous amounts of legislation.. From redoing the hate crime laws, ending thewar on terror and drugs.. Ended the use of torture.. Created a stim bill to the economy that has at least had some measurable positive effects.. Your being disengious if you claim "he hasn't done anything" when infact he has been extremely busy.. Just because you do not approve of those changes or think they are not anything, does not some how make him that he has done "nothing" as you so put it.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Maybe I misread it. I thought it said "Democrats have the votes they need", as in, they voted. I don't know what would make a "Great President", Obama hasn't done anything he said he would for starters. Snipes_2

.. So wait.. If your not great your bad? :|

Just saying I don't see how we can have a "great president" on either side of the poltiical spectrum when the environment is this harsh.. THe open hostility towards Obama is staggering to which a large amount of the Republican party don't even think he is the real president, or other numerous things.. We had this same problem with Bush but no where near as bad, it seems to be getting only worse.

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.. So wait.. If your not great your bad? :|

sSubZerOo

Just saying I don't see how we can have a "great president" on either side of the poltiical spectrum when the environment is this harsh.. THe open hostility towards Obama is staggering to which a large amount of the Republican party don't even think he is the real president, or other numerous things.. We had this same problem with Bush but no where near as bad, it seems to be getting only worse.

He hasn't done anything he said he would? And he spent 2 Trillion dollars in 421 days. Snipes_2

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Why exactly is he considered a bad president?

sSubZerOo

Clearly he has done tremendous amounts of legislation.. From redoing the hate crime laws, ending thewar on terror and drugs.. Ended the use of torture.. Created a stim bill to the economy that has at least had some measurable positive effects.. Your being disengious if you claim "he hasn't done anything" when infact he has been extremely busy.. Just because you do not approve of those changes or think they are not anything, does not some how make him that he has done "nothing" as you so put it.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I never said that. Pirate700

Just saying I don't see how we can have a "great president" on either side of the poltiical spectrum when the environment is this harsh.. THe open hostility towards Obama is staggering to which a large amount of the Republican party don't even think he is the real president, or other numerous things.. We had this same problem with Bush but no where near as bad, it seems to be getting only worse.

The birthers? A substantial amount of the Republican party including ones in office?

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Just saying I don't see how we can have a "great president" on either side of the poltiical spectrum when the environment is this harsh.. THe open hostility towards Obama is staggering to which a large amount of the Republican party don't even think he is the real president, or other numerous things.. We had this same problem with Bush but no where near as bad, it seems to be getting only worse.

sSubZerOo

The birthers? A substantial amount of the Republican party including ones in office?

They also thought Obama would be a great President and well...He isn't. Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]He hasn't done anything he said he would? And he spent 2 Trillion dollars in 421 days. scorch-62

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] They also thought Obama would be a great President and well...He isn't. Snipes_2

Why exactly is he considered a bad president?

Obama's been keeping his word pretty well...

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] He hasn't done anything he said he would? And he spent 2 Trillion dollars in 421 days. Snipes_2

Clearly he has done tremendous amounts of legislation.. From redoing the hate crime laws, ending thewar on terror and drugs.. Ended the use of torture.. Created a stim bill to the economy that has at least had some measurable positive effects.. Your being disengious if you claim "he hasn't done anything" when infact he has been extremely busy.. Just because you do not approve of those changes or think they are not anything, does not some how make him that he has done "nothing" as you so put it.

You honeslty don't know what a president is for then.. They are leaders of the party, a president doesn't have executive power over everything.. I fear Bush's time in office warped peoples perceptions on what the President is suppose to be.

I haven't seen anything about him "Ending Torture, Ending the war on terror and drugs, or redoing hate crime laws".

Look it up.. One of the FIRST bills he signed banned torture.. They are also began dismantling the whole war on terror, as well as drugs.. There are numerous articles on it.. google is your friend.. As some one stated earlier he also brougth down the whole "Don't ask, don't tell".. To claim he has done nothign is absolutely wrong.. Infact he has been icnreasingly busy..

And his stimulus: "The unemployment rate remains near 10 percent, and many families are struggling.""Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein, estimated that the unemployment rate would not go above 8% if stimulus were enacted. It has been well above that rate since February and is now above 10%."

A) If you were expecting a miracle, then the joke has always been on you.. These things take time.. FDR's NEW DEAL which was vastly more indepth of today's Stim plan took years to see any real improvement in numerous areas.. and B) You may disagree with his poliices, that doesn't mean he isn't passing and promoting those said policies.. Which smacks in the face of you saying "he has done nothing".. Quite clearly he has done something.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] What makes a great President?nocoolnamejim

Well, I think we have different definitions of a good year. A lot of stuff is supposedly "In the works". How do we know they'll actually go through? Here are 11 of the supposed 16 within the first two months of his presidency. Which makes me believe he has compromised more than 16. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=91286

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Where the hell did you come up with republicans don't think he's the real president? :|

Pirate700

The birthers? A substantial amount of the Republican party including ones in office?

Firstly you did a double negative.. So I have no clue what your talking about.. And secondly.. http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/7/30/US/320polls are showing that the birther movement is growing not shrinking with in the Republican movement.

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Why exactly is he considered a bad president?

Mercury_May2112

Obama's been keeping his word pretty well...

I'm actually watching Obama's speech from yesterday and I have one question that I haven't been able to research an answer to. He said something about outlawing denial of coverage for children with pre-existing conditions. My question is, "What about the adults?"scorch-62

.. Pre-existing condition thing is being slashed out of all health care policies regardless of what age you are.

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The birthers? A substantial amount of the Republican party including ones in office?

sSubZerOo

Firstly you did a double negative.. So I have no clue what your talking about.. And secondly.. http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/7/30/US/320polls are showing that the birther movement is growing not shrinking with in the Republican movement.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] He hasn't done anything he said he would? And he spent 2 Trillion dollars in 421 days. Snipes_2

Obama's been keeping his word pretty well...

No it hasn't. Some linked how many promises Obama has kept. I linked how often he's told the truth.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Maybe I misread it. I thought it said "Democrats have the votes they need", as in, they voted. I don't know what would make a "Great President", Obama hasn't done anything he said he would for starters. Snipes_2

Well, I think we have different definitions of a good year. A lot of stuff is supposedly "In the works". How do we know they'll actually go through? Here are 11 of the supposed 16 within the first two months of his presidency. Which makes me believe he has compromised more than 16. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=91286

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]A substantial amount of the Republican party does not think he is not the president. Nor are they birthers. :lol:

Pirate700

Firstly you did a double negative.. So I have no clue what your talking about.. And secondly.. http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/7/30/US/320polls are showing that the birther movement is growing not shrinking with in the Republican movement.

28% said no, and 30% said not sure.. Thats a pretty staggering number for the Republicans.. Here is another poll. from Public Policy Polling.. That attributes that 42% of republicans think Obama isn't a natural born US citizen. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/24/birther-poll-42-percent-o_n_298456.html

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]I'm actually watching Obama's speech from yesterday and I have one question that I haven't been able to research an answer to. He said something about outlawing denial of coverage for children with pre-existing conditions. My question is, "What about the adults?"sSubZerOo

.. Pre-existing condition thing is being slashed out of all health care policies regardless of what age you are.

@-Sun_Tzu- Thank you, too. :P

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The birthers? A substantial amount of the Republican party including ones in office?

sSubZerOo

Firstly you did a double negative.. So I have no clue what your talking about.. And secondly.. http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/7/30/US/320polls are showing that the birther movement is growing not shrinking with in the Republican movement.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]A substantial amount of the Republican party does not think he is not the president. Nor are they birthers. :lol:

Pirate700

Firstly you did a double negative.. So I have no clue what your talking about.. And secondly.. http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/7/30/US/320polls are showing that the birther movement is growing not shrinking with in the Republican movement.

And with it's passing, Stalin shall rise from the grave to destroy capitalism!

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] The topic only says that Dems have the votes they need. [QUOTE="Snipes_2"]They also thought Obama would be a great President and well...He isn't. Snipes_2

Really now?

On the subject of healthcare: it's about time. I can't wait until this is passed and the paranoid people opposing it go the way of the people who opposed social security.

And with it's passing, Stalin shall rise from the grave to destroy capitalism!

Pixel-Pirate

And with it's passing, Stalin shall rise from the grave to destroy capitalism!

Pixel-Pirate

OMG ZOMBIE COMMUNISTS! Grab your flamethrowers!

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Well, I think we have different definitions of a good year. A lot of stuff is supposedly "In the works". How do we know they'll actually go through? Here are 11 of the supposed 16 within the first two months of his presidency. Which makes me believe he has compromised more than 16. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=91286

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] What makes a great President?Theokhoth

Really now?

On the subject of healthcare: it's about time. I can't wait until this is passed and the paranoid people opposing it go the way of the people who opposed social security.

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And with it's passing, Stalin shall rise from the grave to destroy capitalism!

789shadow

OMG ZOMBIE COMMUNISTS! Grab your flamethrowers!

Well, its a start. Unfortunately people are going to challenge it's constitutionality and try to overthrow it which could be problematic if they win.