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Although you might find it troubling, we have laws needing to be followed regardless if one finds approval or not. The country has a sizeable problem when it comes to illegals and the defugalty needs to be addressed logically and appropriately rather than basing everything on emotion as one with your position tends to do. Ignoring it and rewarding those involved in it doesn't solve the problem. If you don't like being called out on such a mockery of a comparison, offer one that is genuinely comparable. Detaining and deporting those who have broken our laws can not and should not ever be mentioned in the same sentence as what happened some seventy plus years ago as it is an insult to those Americans who were victims of a witch hunt.
The entire illegal alien infestation/problem is difficult to remedy but that doesn't mean you ignore the problem and hope it doesn't happen again. A lot of tough choices need to be made.
That's what they said about the Japanese.
There's a saying: "History doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes."
You won't justify the internment of Japanese but you will justify the internment of illegal immigrants. It's obvious in your language when you referred them as "The entire illegal alien infestation" as if it was a pest problem.
Dude, I've made my point across. If anything, you're arguing on an emotional level, citing enforcing the law as a rationale to divide families and disrupt society just because it's the "law." I get it but it's not realistic. I've made my point across with the links provided as well as the social and economic ramifications of active targeting of illegals, internment camps, and deportations. You can enforce the law but it will be unpopular and it will be met with resistance. It will be counterproductive and disrupt communities.
The Japanese Americans were, by the very word, AMERICANS and to compare such a detention with that of ILLEGALS shows you are either extremely ignorant or emotional. Our government has every right to detain, arrest, deport, etc.., those who have violated our laws and sovereignty. Just like anyone would demand action to be taken if someone trespassed on their property, why shouldn't the citizens demand appropriate action dealing with illegal immigration rather than a blanket reward like you have advocated?
Your point is clear. Detaining those breaking the law is as disgusting as detaining those who have not.
@22Toothpicks: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. If Twitter wants to ban you from their site because you make racist tweets that is completely within their right to do so. If you want a platform to make racist comments then make your own website. If the government then take your site down or arrest you, then and only then has your freedom of speech been infringed upon.
The Japanese Americans were, by the very word, AMERICANS and to compare such a detention with that of ILLEGALS shows you are either extremely ignorant or emotional. Our government has every right to detain, arrest, deport, etc.., those who have violated our laws and sovereignty. Just like anyone would demand action to be taken if someone trespassed on their property, why shouldn't the citizens demand appropriate action dealing with illegal immigration rather than a blanket reward like you have advocated?
Your point is clear. Detaining those breaking the law is as disgusting as detaining those who have not.
The Japanese living in the U.S. weren't seen as citizens (or at least patriotic Americans) in the eyes of other Americans during the War and justified their actions. You're justifying deportations and detainment because they're illegal "pests." Different people, same solutions. It doesn't matter. Why are you assuming it's all emotion? Again, it's logistics. Detainment costs money. Deportations cost money. What is being suggested costs money. As for everything else, those are strong possibilities. That's not emotion, it's called common sense.
The costs outweigh the benefits. The majority of illegal citizens living here are contributing to our country positively. That's a fact.
You're right in that our government does have the ability and the right to detain, arrest, and deport illegal citizens. And they have. It's been ongoing since the Bush Administration and intensified under the Obama Administration. Those same administrations and administrations prior have also went for amnesty because that was the "best" option.
Detainment and deportations on a massive scale will disrupt society and the economy.
@WhiteKnight77: So you're okay with racial profiling?
Did I say I was? While I approve of profiling as far as a way to determine if someone may be up to something illegal, just because someone is a certain skin color plays no part in that. I pointed out why the US did something and why. While it is a stain on our history, it was needed as seen by said convictions.
No it wasn't needed. Those interred were Americans. And it's a shame anyone like yourself would defend this.
Again, you do not recognize the time or why certain things happened. You should read the book December 1941: 31 Days that Changed America and Saved the World. Studying history, one can see why things have happened and why things that have happened have repeated themselves time and again.
The Japanese Americans were, by the very word, AMERICANS and to compare such a detention with that of ILLEGALS shows you are either extremely ignorant or emotional. Our government has every right to detain, arrest, deport, etc.., those who have violated our laws and sovereignty. Just like anyone would demand action to be taken if someone trespassed on their property, why shouldn't the citizens demand appropriate action dealing with illegal immigration rather than a blanket reward like you have advocated?
Your point is clear. Detaining those breaking the law is as disgusting as detaining those who have not.
The Japanese living in the U.S. weren't seen as citizens (or at least patriotic Americans) in the eyes of other Americans during the War and justified their actions. You're justifying deportations and detainment because they're illegal "pests." Different people, same solutions. It doesn't matter. Why are you assuming it's all emotion? Again, it's logistics. Detainment costs money. Deportations cost money. What is being suggested costs money. As for everything else, those are strong possibilities. That's not emotion, it's called common sense.
The costs outweigh the benefits. The majority of illegal citizens living here are contributing to our country positively. That's a fact.
You're right in that our government does have the ability and the right to detain, arrest, and deport illegal citizens. And they have. It's been ongoing since the Bush Administration and intensified under the Obama Administration. Those same administrations and administrations prior have also went for amnesty because that was the "best" option.
Detainment and deportations on a massive scale will disrupt society and the economy.
** ALERT ** Racist anti-white spotted!
Notice how the dishonest racist (Against whites) fails to mention that Italians were also detained during WW2. If he was honest and mentioned this, he couldn't convince everyone that detaining people is "racist," as people would understand it was more of a fear of spies, than an act that was racially motivated.
My family was detained during WW2 but you don't hear me bitching about it. "Waaa, Amerikkka is racist against Italians! I want reparations!" said no Italian ever.
@Jakejack: Except only Italian nationals who weren't American citizens were sent to internment camps while with the Japanese it was anyone of Japanese ancestry. So obviously there was a racial aspect to it.
The Japanese Americans were, by the very word, AMERICANS and to compare such a detention with that of ILLEGALS shows you are either extremely ignorant or emotional. Our government has every right to detain, arrest, deport, etc.., those who have violated our laws and sovereignty. Just like anyone would demand action to be taken if someone trespassed on their property, why shouldn't the citizens demand appropriate action dealing with illegal immigration rather than a blanket reward like you have advocated?
Your point is clear. Detaining those breaking the law is as disgusting as detaining those who have not.
The Japanese living in the U.S. weren't seen as citizens (or at least patriotic Americans) in the eyes of other Americans during the War and justified their actions. You're justifying deportations and detainment because they're illegal "pests." Different people, same solutions. It doesn't matter. Why are you assuming it's all emotion? Again, it's logistics. Detainment costs money. Deportations cost money. What is being suggested costs money. As for everything else, those are strong possibilities. That's not emotion, it's called common sense.
The costs outweigh the benefits. The majority of illegal citizens living here are contributing to our country positively. That's a fact.
You're right in that our government does have the ability and the right to detain, arrest, and deport illegal citizens. And they have. It's been ongoing since the Bush Administration and intensified under the Obama Administration. Those same administrations and administrations prior have also went for amnesty because that was the "best" option.
Detainment and deportations on a massive scale will disrupt society and the economy.
** ALERT ** Racist anti-white spotted!
Notice how the dishonest racist (Against whites) fails to mention that Italians were also detained during WW2. If he was honest and mentioned this, he couldn't convince everyone that detaining people is "racist," as people would understand it was more of a fear of spies, than an act that was racially motivated.
My family was detained during WW2 but you don't hear me bitching about it. "Waaa, Amerikkka is racist against Italians! I want reparations!" said no Italian ever.
Seems like the discussion completely flew over your head. No one is talking about "reparations" here other than you. We are discussing the potential internment of "illegal" Mexican immigrants, and how that compares with earlier WWII-era internments, such as what happened to Japanese-Americans in the US, or what happened to Jews in Germany. If you feel left out, then we could also add the internment of Italian nationals in America to the list as well.
@WhiteKnight77: So you're okay with racial profiling?
Did I say I was? While I approve of profiling as far as a way to determine if someone may be up to something illegal, just because someone is a certain skin color plays no part in that. I pointed out why the US did something and why. While it is a stain on our history, it was needed as seen by said convictions.
No it wasn't needed. Those interred were Americans. And it's a shame anyone like yourself would defend this.
Again, you do not recognize the time or why certain things happened. You should read the book December 1941: 31 Days that Changed America and Saved the World. Studying history, one can see why things have happened and why things that have happened have repeated themselves time and again.
I don't give a damn about the times. It should NOT have happened and it's a shame you are so scared of people different than yourself that you are okay with this. Actuall y it's disgusting you are okay with this.
** ALERT ** Racist anti-white spotted!
Notice how the dishonest racist (Against whites) fails to mention that Italians were also detained during WW2. If he was honest and mentioned this, he couldn't convince everyone that detaining people is "racist," as people would understand it was more of a fear of spies, than an act that was racially motivated.
My family was detained during WW2 but you don't hear me bitching about it. "Waaa, Amerikkka is racist against Italians! I want reparations!" said no Italian ever.
Seems like the discussion completely flew over your head. No one is talking about "reparations" here other than you. We are discussing the potential internment of "illegal" Mexican immigrants, and how that compares with earlier WWII-era internments, such as what happened to Japanese-Americans in the US, or what happened to Jews in Germany. If you feel left out, then we could also add the internment of Italian nationals in America to the list as well.
Explain to me how some of you are unable to fathom the differences between rounding up American citizens during WWII and trying to exterminate the Jews (in Germany, Poland, etc..,) with legally detaining those who have violated the sovereignty of the United States. Our country already has detention centers for these people and rightfully so.
** ALERT ** Racist anti-white spotted!
Notice how the dishonest racist (Against whites) fails to mention that Italians were also detained during WW2. If he was honest and mentioned this, he couldn't convince everyone that detaining people is "racist," as people would understand it was more of a fear of spies, than an act that was racially motivated.
My family was detained during WW2 but you don't hear me bitching about it. "Waaa, Amerikkka is racist against Italians! I want reparations!" said no Italian ever.
Not mentioning a group of people doesn't make me anti-white. You are correct, however, that the U.S. did detain Italian and German nationals during WWI and WW2. Does that excuse the U.S.'s actions? No. Were reparations pursued? Yes. Did they follow through? Nope. Ask Jeff Sessions. Was it on a massive scale? Not really. German Americans were valuable for their knowledge of German and FDR still appointed many German-Americans to top positions during the war. Doesn't excuse the government's actions though.
Was it racially motivated? Yeah it was and that includes the Germans and Italians. You have propaganda comparing them to rats and gorillas. You have news articles suggesting that their cultures encourage violence even if they were raised in the U.S. Classes that taught those languages were halted. A group of people were being targeted because of traits (race, color, creed) they cannot control. Of course it was racially motivated. The reasons for detainment were coincidental so they can justify their actions.
That being said, if you lose your home, your property, and feel as if your rights have been severely violated against your will, and if you don't complain, something's wrong with you. At this point, I'm convinced that those type of people are okay with the worse forms of big government. I really hope that's not the case for you or anyone on this board.
I'm not saying detaining people is "racist." I'm saying that mass deportations is a logistical nightmare that can lead to severe consequences in society and our economy. As for the bit about Hispanics being targeted, most illegal immigrants happen to be Hispanic in origin. Obviously there are also Asian illegal immigrants and perhaps some white illegal immigrants. But if Hispanics make up the bulk of illegal immigrants and you have law enforcement hunting down illegals, who are they most likely going to target? Canadians? No, they will target Hispanics.
Explain to me how some of you are unable to fathom the differences between rounding up American citizens during WWII and trying to exterminate the Jews (in Germany, Poland, etc..,) with legally detaining those who have violated the sovereignty of the United States. Our country already has detention centers for these people and rightfully so.
"History doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes."
No one is suggesting there isn't a difference. The solutions that you offer are similar to the solutions that were used on the Japanese, Italians, and Germans in the U.S. That's the problem and the ramifications are serious. Actually, the arguments I've made of how it could disrupt society and its economics were also used as an argument against interning the Japanese. I'm not sure about the Germans and Italians.
In fact, your use of the word "infestation" is really telling, as if they were pests who want to destroy our country. You're placing that group of people (at this point, we're not talking about Hispanics, we're talking about all illegal immigrants) at a lower level as if they weren't humans. We've also seen this with the interning of the Japanese, Germans, and Italians, and, while an extreme example, the Jewish people, the Armenians, and the Cambodians who suffered under Khymer Rouge. The reasons the government pursued their actions against those people included that they were spies, saboteurs, inferior, non-citizens, and so on. The rationale can differ but the solutions are often the same and present with severe consequences.
Obviously, I don't think we'll pursue genocide against anyone. The issue here is that mass detainment and deportations aren't always a good thing even if you justify it with the logic that they're illegals.
@WhiteKnight77: So you're okay with racial profiling?
Did I say I was? While I approve of profiling as far as a way to determine if someone may be up to something illegal, just because someone is a certain skin color plays no part in that. I pointed out why the US did something and why. While it is a stain on our history, it was needed as seen by said convictions.
No it wasn't needed. Those interred were Americans. And it's a shame anyone like yourself would defend this.
Again, you do not recognize the time or why certain things happened. You should read the book December 1941: 31 Days that Changed America and Saved the World. Studying history, one can see why things have happened and why things that have happened have repeated themselves time and again.
I don't give a damn about the times. It should NOT have happened and it's a shame you are so scared of people different than yourself that you are okay with this. Actuall y it's disgusting you are okay with this.
Where did I ever say that I was OK with it? I said I understood it, but that is all I stated.
I don't give a damn about the times. It should NOT have happened and it's a shame you are so scared of people different than yourself that you are okay with this. Actuall y it's disgusting you are okay with this.
Where did I ever say that I was OK with it? I said I understood it, but that is all I stated.
You're justifying it.
I don't give a damn about the times. It should NOT have happened and it's a shame you are so scared of people different than yourself that you are okay with this. Actuall y it's disgusting you are okay with this.
Where did I ever say that I was OK with it? I said I understood it, but that is all I stated.
You're justifying it.
You are reading something into my words that are just not there. That is a problem you have had all these years, you love to read something into other people's words.
You're justifying it.
You are reading something into my words that are just not there. That is a problem you have had all these years, you love to read something into other people's words.
I'm not reading into anything. You gave you a reason why Japanese Americans should be in a camp. You even said in one of your posts about ties they had. You didn't come at this in a historical perspective.
Here's your justification......
What many people do not know about the internment camps the US had is that most of our arms industry was situated on the west coast and much of it in the LA/Long Beach area and that there were a couple of Japanese-Americans who were convicted of spying for Japan after the start of WWII. Moving to the camps were needed to keep such from happening.
You're justifying it.
You are reading something into my words that are just not there. That is a problem you have had all these years, you love to read something into other people's words.
I'm not reading into anything. You gave you a reason why Japanese Americans should be in a camp. You even said in one of your posts about ties they had. You didn't come at this in a historical perspective.
Here's your justification......
What many people do not know about the internment camps the US had is that most of our arms industry was situated on the west coast and much of it in the LA/Long Beach area and that there were a couple of Japanese-Americans who were convicted of spying for Japan after the start of WWII. Moving to the camps were needed to keep such from happening.
Which is entirely true.
I'm not reading into anything. You gave you a reason why Japanese Americans should be in a camp. You even said in one of your posts about ties they had. You didn't come at this in a historical perspective.
Here's your justification......
What many people do not know about the internment camps the US had is that most of our arms industry was situated on the west coast and much of it in the LA/Long Beach area and that there were a couple of Japanese-Americans who were convicted of spying for Japan after the start of WWII. Moving to the camps were needed to keep such from happening.
Which is entirely true.
And is justification. Also weren't you okay with checking out Muslim Americans? I don't know about what country you want to live in but in the US you don't put people in camps because they have physical characteristics like one or two other people.
Arguing on internet is almost useless, but it is easy. Only way to move forward is to collect the facts, which is more difficult. Analyze the wealth distribution between colored people and white people. Even this is not enough though. You also have to analyze the amount of opportunities those in poverty have, to bring themselves out of it.
If wealth is an issue, but opportunities are not, then it is the fault of the poor for not acting for themselves.
If both are an issue, than maybe there is some ground for calling out indifference to race.
But there are also plenty of white folk in poverty, so must be careful about that as well. Al though one could argue about percentage wise, because whites make up larger portion of population. Also consider environment, we are molded by natural forces and economics. A successful cosmopolitan city in california vs. pockets of rural poverty in central america.
I think it definitely has less to do with race and more with class and income.
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