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how can atheists denounce christians for extremism if two majo idioligies caused so muchsorrow? Both Stalin and Hitler were atheists and both are the worst people in human history. Both communism and nazism are based on atheism believe. Hitler believed that humans were like animals and only the strongest would survive. He saw darwins theory about that the weaker race needed to be destroyed by the stronger one also as a method on humans, thats why he viped out the jews and other folks in europe. Communism wasnt that much better either, as long as the state works they dont cared about invidual life like ants. The udssr was all about power and science regardlless if their own people suffered.

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Hitler wasn't an atheist. He believed in God, and in some speeches refers to himself as a Christian.

Your argument is moronic. Two bad people were atheists, so clearly its bad. Christianity as a whole is responsible for how many deaths since its creation?

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#3 markop2003
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They didn't kill in the name of atheism, they just happened to be atheists that killed.

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#4 HFkami
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They didn't kill in the name of atheism, they just happened to be atheists that killed.

markop2003

of course they did, both had atheistic believs and killed for these idioligies.

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#5 HFkami
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Hitler wasn't an atheist. He believed in God, and in some speeches refers to himself as a Christian.

Your argument is moronic. Two bad people were atheists, so clearly its bad. Christianity as a whole is responsible for how many deaths since its creation?

xLFTMx

hitler was atheistic

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[QUOTE="xLFTMx"]

Hitler wasn't an atheist. He believed in God, and in some speeches refers to himself as a Christian.

Your argument is moronic. Two bad people were atheists, so clearly its bad. Christianity as a whole is responsible for how many deaths since its creation?

HFkami

hitler was atheistic

Seems that he was a christian actually, he was a Catholic in early life and always praised churches (atleast the ones that weren't trying to rebel against him) hence why he took control of them rather than destroying them.
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[QUOTE="xLFTMx"]

Hitler wasn't an atheist. He believed in God, and in some speeches refers to himself as a Christian.

Your argument is moronic. Two bad people were atheists, so clearly its bad. Christianity as a whole is responsible for how many deaths since its creation?

HFkami

hitler was atheistic

"I say: My feelings as a Christian points me to my lord and savior as a fighter." - Adolf Hitler April 12th, 1922. At Burgerbraukeller. Look it up.

Christians claim Hitler was atheist. He wasn't.

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#8 markop2003
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of course they did, both had atheistic believs and killed for these idioligies.

HFkami
Atheism has no idiology apart from that there is no god. The theory of evolutions, the big bang and communism are completely independent beliefs.
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[QUOTE="xLFTMx"]

Hitler wasn't an atheist. He believed in God, and in some speeches refers to himself as a Christian.

Your argument is moronic. Two bad people were atheists, so clearly its bad. Christianity as a whole is responsible for how many deaths since its creation?

HFkami

hitler was atheistic

"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."

- Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf

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http://ui08.gamespot.com/1735/failed_2.jpg

Hitler wasn't an atheist and there is no such thing as atheist ideology

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#11 HFkami
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[QUOTE="HFkami"]

[QUOTE="xLFTMx"]

Hitler wasn't an atheist. He believed in God, and in some speeches refers to himself as a Christian.

Your argument is moronic. Two bad people were atheists, so clearly its bad. Christianity as a whole is responsible for how many deaths since its creation?

markop2003

hitler was atheistic

Seems that he was a christian actually, he was a Catholic in early life and always praised churches (atleast the ones that weren't trying to rebel against him) hence why he took control of them rather than destroying them.

do you realy think he believed in jesus which was a jew?? That doesnt make any sense.

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how can atheists denounce christians for extremism if two majo idioligies caused so muchsorrow? Both Stalin and Hitler were atheists and both are the worst people in human history. Both communism and nazism are based on atheism believe. Hitler believed that humans were like animals and only the strongest would survive. He saw darwins theory about that the weaker race needed to be destroyed by the stronger one also as a method on humans, thats why he viped out the jews and other folks in europe. Communism wasnt that much better either, as long as the state works they dont cared about invidual life like ants. The udssr was all about power and science regardlless if their own people suffered.

HFkami

You're talking political ideologies (it's spelt like that, by the way), not theological positions or philosophical stances (like atheism/theism). Anyway, consider the following:

Nazism was not that coherent to have one central ideological pillar (atheism, as you identify it as) from which the rest flowed from, mainly, it was a hodge-podge of different ideas floating around in a resentful and embittered Weimar Germany in the '20s and '30s. The one appealing to most people perhaps being anti-democratic sentiments (mainly due to the war WW1 had ended), but the NSDAP under Hitler managed to scapegoat certain groups of society for the torrid times Germany had endured past that. Hence, the obvious anti-Semitism and biological racism you correctly outline.

However, you have it wrong. Hitler believed that there were superior (the Aryan people, and some others) and inferior (Jews, Slavs,Mischlinger (as he put it))races of humans, and that the German populace housed a yet bastardised majority of Aryan people. In order to secure the prosperity of Germany, it was essential to keep the inferior races and superior races from even interacting. 'Twas also essential that Germany take lebensraum in the East, where the Slavic people lived. Anyway, the Jews being the main target of the inferior races, then being blamed for the financial turbulence, the failure of Germany in WW1 and the creation of the Weimar Republic. Now that I've amateurishly outlined that, we can perhaps move onto how this is linked with Darwin's theory of evolution.

Oh, this is surprising, for it says no such thing. His theory wasn't that the strongest of the species survive, it's the ones that are the most responsive to changes in their environment that survive. Natural selection isn't to do with strength, it's to do with adaptability. Natural selection, especially, is misunderstood in this context (which is why social darwinism tends to be ineptly titled): it's a process where certain characteristics in become less or more prevalent in a population due to how it effects the chances of survival or reproduction. It is nothing to do with "destroying the weaker races", as you put it.

(Amateurish recollection of grade 10 biology finished, inb4 raped for being incorrect somewhere.)

They don't really share a lot in common now, do they? I do also wonder how all of that is atheistic, but I don't really have the time.

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#13 Lonelynight
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Hitler wasn't an atheist, he was Roman Catholic. And Stalin was an atheist, but he didn't commit atrocities in the name of atheism.
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Hitler believed in a MASTER RACE, and believed in the inferiority of other races, sounds pretty religeos to me. he was not athiest.

Just because someone is athiest and for e.g. kills, does not mean they killed because they are athiest.

whilst killing in the name of god is killing because you are religeous.

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They happened to be Atheists? Hitler was a Catholic FYI.....................also they both wore brown jackets, brown jackets are the devil!!!
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They also had bad hair. By your logic, 50% of the Gamespot forum is comprised of dastardly evildoers.

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#17 Treflis
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Regardless if those two were atheists or not and, as you claim, "killed due to their atheist beliefs", which in my opinion sounds remarkably farfetched. The number of those harmed and negativly affected by both of them bleak in comparison with how many have been harmed and negativly affected by Christianity through history.
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#18 HFkami
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yahoo gives me right so you all are wrong he is atheist.

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yahoo gives me right so you all are wrong he is atheist.

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You've given yourself away now, you had done fairly well up until this point.
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#20 HFkami
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[QUOTE="HFkami"]

yahoo gives me right so you all are wrong he is atheist.

xTheExploited

You've given yourself away now, you had done fairly well up until this point.

its the easiest way to respond

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You also forget that Stalin studied to become a preist in his teenage years. Also if we continue with Russian history the Tsars used the church as a means of keeping people scared and therefore under control...The russian people were just as bad under the highly religious tsarist regime

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Hitler wasn't an atheist. He believed in God, and in some speeches refers to himself as a Christian.

Your argument is moronic. Two bad people were atheists, so clearly its bad. Christianity as a whole is responsible for how many deaths since its creation?

xLFTMx
Hitler despised Christianity....he was no Christian.
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[QUOTE="HFkami"]

[QUOTE="xLFTMx"]

Hitler wasn't an atheist. He believed in God, and in some speeches refers to himself as a Christian.

Your argument is moronic. Two bad people were atheists, so clearly its bad. Christianity as a whole is responsible for how many deaths since its creation?

GabuEx

hitler was atheistic

"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."

- Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:

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#24 hooeyberg
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Hitler also setup nazist protestant churches to control the german people after he banned other branches of christianity...He didnt despise religion, he despised religion he couldnt control.

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#25 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="HFkami"]

hitler was atheistic

dontshackzmii

"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."

- Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:

So preaching love and forgiveness is sick? :lol: Anyway Hitler appeared to approve of Christianity because those who elected him in were Christians. Actually...he considered Christianity weak...note what I've said the message is above....and wished for it to die out. However.....he wasn't going to be the catalyst less he lose his power base.

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The vast majority of wars, conflicts and catastrophes are caused by political rather than religios reasons. Atheist "idealogy" does not call for extreme violence, and atheists aren't inherently any more likely to perform any kind of "immoral" action than theists. If you have a situation which is going to result in violence, that's what you're going to get regardless of what beliefs the participants hold. The only things that change if you alter the involved religions is what buzzwords people use to get the populace to bring out the guns.

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The fact that Hitler disliked Catholicism doesn't mean he didn't believe in a god.

Furthermore, atheism is not an ideology, it's just the lack of belief in god. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Hitler wasn't an atheist, he was Roman Catholic. And Stalin was an atheist, but he didn't commit atrocities in the name of atheism. Lonelynight

Why does it always have to be "in the name of atheism" it sounds like a cop out to me . Stalin tried to crush religion all the time. He even destroyed one of Russia's most famous churches to make the worlds tallest building that would be a monument to communism . If atheism in anyway effected his decisions then it is partly at fault .

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The fact that Hitler disliked Catholicism doesn't mean he didn't believe in a god.

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Whether he believed in Christianity during his rule or not he did believe in a creator apparently.
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Why does it always have to be "in the name of atheism" it sounds like a cop out to me . Stalin tried to crush religion all the time. He even destroyed one of Russia's most famous churches to make the worlds tallest building that would be a monument to communism . If atheism in anyway effected his decisions then it is partly at fault .dontshackzmii
Even so, there is no atheist ideology or dogma, so him being atheist doesn't really matter as the thing that defines atheism is a lack of belief in God or gods, as said by TheFlush.
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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="HFkami"]hitler was atheisticHFkami
Seems that he was a christian actually, he was a Catholic in early life and always praised churches (atleast the ones that weren't trying to rebel against him) hence why he took control of them rather than destroying them.

do you realy think he believed in jesus which was a jew?? That doesnt make any sense.

Christians are just Jews who believe Jesus is the Son of God.

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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="HFkami"]

hitler was atheistic

HFkami

Seems that he was a christian actually, he was a Catholic in early life and always praised churches (atleast the ones that weren't trying to rebel against him) hence why he took control of them rather than destroying them.

do you realy think he believed in jesus which was a jew?? That doesnt make any sense.

It doesn't, but the Catholic Church has shown anti-semitic sentiment throughout its entire history. For example, the Catholic Kings of Spain forced the Jews in the country to either convert to christianity or leave, back in 1492.

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Hitler was not an atheist. Neither were Goring or Goebbels.

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do you realy think he believed in jesus which was a jew?? That doesnt make any sense.

HFkami

No, but they instead claimed he was the first Aryan and anti-semite.

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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="HFkami"]

hitler was atheistic

dontshackzmii

"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."

- Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:

..... Even if he despised Christianity.. Does not mean he was a atheist.. Furthermore Atheism is a ****ficaiton more then anything, religion has a set of ideologies you should follow.. Atheism has none such manifesto.. This isn't suggesting that religion is to blame.. Extremism of all ends can do it.. But this isn't possible due to the fact of that Atheism about the absence of belief..

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Neither of those ideologies are based on atheism. While a component of communism, atheism is in no shape or form based on atheism. And religion (while perhaps not mainstream Christianity) was a huge aspect of Nazism. In Nazi Germany atheism was regarded as nothing more than a communist plot.

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how can atheists denounce christians for extremism if two majo idioligies caused so muchsorrow? Both Stalin and Hitler were atheists and both are the worst people in human history. Both communism and nazism are based on atheism believe. Hitler believed that humans were like animals and only the strongest would survive. He saw darwins theory about that the weaker race needed to be destroyed by the stronger one also as a method on humans, thats why he viped out the jews and other folks in europe. Communism wasnt that much better either, as long as the state works they dont cared about invidual life like ants. The udssr was all about power and science regardlless if their own people suffered.

HFkami
If you think Stalin and Hitler were the worst people in human history, well, you haven't studied history. There have been evil people FAR worse than them. Vlad the Impaler would be one such person.
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how can atheists denounce christians for extremism if two majo idioligies caused so muchsorrow? Both Stalin and Hitler were atheists and both are the worst people in human history. Both communism and nazism are based on atheism believe. Hitler believed that humans were like animals and only the strongest would survive. He saw darwins theory about that the weaker race needed to be destroyed by the stronger one also as a method on humans, thats why he viped out the jews and other folks in europe. Communism wasnt that much better either, as long as the state works they dont cared about invidual life like ants. The udssr was all about power and science regardlless if their own people suffered.

HFkami
Yeah but how many people died because of what the bible said? Remember the salem witch trials?
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[QUOTE="HFkami"]

how can atheists denounce christians for extremism if two majo idioligies caused so muchsorrow? Both Stalin and Hitler were atheists and both are the worst people in human history. Both communism and nazism are based on atheism believe. Hitler believed that humans were like animals and only the strongest would survive. He saw darwins theory about that the weaker race needed to be destroyed by the stronger one also as a method on humans, thats why he viped out the jews and other folks in europe. Communism wasnt that much better either, as long as the state works they dont cared about invidual life like ants. The udssr was all about power and science regardlless if their own people suffered.

bcroger2
Yeah but how many people died because of what the bible said? Remember the salem witch trials?

Not that many actually....
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[QUOTE="HFkami"]

how can atheists denounce christians for extremism if two majo idioligies caused so muchsorrow? Both Stalin and Hitler were atheists and both are the worst people in human history. Both communism and nazism are based on atheism believe. Hitler believed that humans were like animals and only the strongest would survive. He saw darwins theory about that the weaker race needed to be destroyed by the stronger one also as a method on humans, thats why he viped out the jews and other folks in europe. Communism wasnt that much better either, as long as the state works they dont cared about invidual life like ants. The udssr was all about power and science regardlless if their own people suffered.

bcroger2
Yeah but how many people died because of what the bible said? Remember the salem witch trials?

30 people died in the salem witch trials http://www.salemwitchtrials.com/faqs.html#victims In the crusades 200,000 people died and that's both sides totaled http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_cru1.htm The others like the French wars of Religion and the Thirty years war don't have specific numbers but as you can see less people have died because of what the bible said as opposed to 20,000,000 Stalin killed or the 6,000,000 Hitler killed(or even 50-70 million who died directly because of wwii for that matter)
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Stalin and Hitler didn't kill in the name of atheism. Religion played a decent part in Nazism to begin with.
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#42 LJS9502_basic
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Religion played a decent part in Nazism to begin with. HoolaHoopMan
Not really.
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:cry: the US educational system fails us. Again!

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he was christian

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#45 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Religion played a decent part in Nazism to begin with. LJS9502_basic
Not really.

Yeah really. It's also clear from the various quotes and beliefs stated by Hitler himself that he held religious views, nothing even close to Atheism.
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#46 ragek1ll589
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Religion played a decent part in Nazism to begin with. LJS9502_basic
Not really.

Actually it did. In the 1920's some of the biggest advocates for the NSDAP were Catholic Theologians, particularly in Munich. The Nazi Party, in the late 1930's, also tried to unify itself with the Protestant Church in Germany and form a primary Reich Church.

What drew many Germans to Nazism was its staunch antisemitism, something which many Catholics in Germany adhered to at the time.

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#47 Lost-Memory
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Hitler wasn't an atheist. He believed in God, and in some speeches refers to himself as a Christian.

Your argument is moronic. Two bad people were atheists, so clearly its bad. Christianity as a whole is responsible for how many deaths since its creation?

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Just think, If christianity never reared its ugly head on this world of ours, How advanced would we be ? I'd even go as far as saying that religion is in essence the same evil and corruption we try to fight against every waking moment. Just my lonely opinion though so.
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#48 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Religion played a decent part in Nazism to begin with. HoolaHoopMan
Not really.

Yeah really. It's also clear from the various quotes and beliefs stated by Hitler himself that he held religious views, nothing even close to Atheism.

Economic hardship in Germany post WWI caused it, without exception. Furthermore there have been conflicting statements from acquaintances of Hitler regarding his religious beliefs.

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#49 ChampionoChumps
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[QUOTE="xLFTMx"]

Hitler wasn't an atheist. He believed in God, and in some speeches refers to himself as a Christian.

Your argument is moronic. Two bad people were atheists, so clearly its bad. Christianity as a whole is responsible for how many deaths since its creation?

Lost-Memory
Just think, If christianity never reared its ugly head on this world of ours, How advanced would we be ? I'd even go as far as saying that religion is in essence the same evil and corruption we try to fight against every waking moment. Just my lonely opinion though so.

Instead of posting your ignorant response why don't you go look up how much Christianity has improved both architectural and scientific fields.
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#50 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Not really. coolbeans90

Yeah really. It's also clear from the various quotes and beliefs stated by Hitler himself that he held religious views, nothing even close to Atheism.

Economic hardship in Germany post WWI caused it, without exception. Furthermore there have been conflicting statements from acquaintances of Hitler regarding his religious beliefs.

I'm aware of the historical aspects leading up to Hitler's rise to power. I wasn't implying that religion caused Nazism to spring up, I was merely trying to address the point brought up by the OP, that Hitler and Nazism were Atheistic which they clearly weren't.