How can people believe in global warming?

If you feel like you have a case against it's occurrence, then submit your findings to peer review. You could get published, possibly win a nobel prize, if you're right.

Edit: I love my new sig quote.

Former_Slacker

Global Warming is a load of **** I don't care what anyone says

gibson-les-rick

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Global Warming is a load of **** I don't care what anyone says

Crunchy_Nuts

Its like the matrix, you just have to believe it will happen.

How can people not believe in it is a better question. The debate about whether or not global warming is occurring and/or whether or not mankind is primarily responsible for its occurrence is only taking place amongst the general public. There is no real debate amongst climatologists, minus a small number of individual dissenters (but we really shouldn't be basing our public policy on what is a heterodox opinion within the field of climatology).

What I find fascinating is the parallels between global warming skepticism with second-hand skepticism. Many of the same scientists who are denying global warming were denying the dangers of second-hand smoke, and in both cases they were (and in the case of global warming, they still are) being funded by the tobacco industry and the oil industry, and the oil industry has used many of the same methods (and has hired many of the same public relations people) as the tobacco industry.

When an entire community of scientists (probably the most divided, scrutinizing and critical group of people in just about any society) presents a hypermajority agreement with one position - with very little economic incentive compared to the counter-opinion, at that - then I think that I'm going to have to take their word as the most reliable and unbiased thing I've got.

Just because you don't understand thermodynamics doesn't mean I have to reject a comprehensively developed and relatively flawless theory.

I came into this thread with an open mind, despite knowing full well it'd just be a conspiracy theory. I raised an eyebrow at the first post, but gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Then someone went and mentioned gravity and the entire topic became sad.

Global Warming is real, and it isn't just about warming. Why else do you think they said that it could create a new Ice Age? Polar caps melt, warm water currents get weaker as a result, areas that typically have these currents no longer have them and get colder as a result. Like here in Florida; We're getting record low temperatures this winter. Just like the previous few winters. If I remember correctly, the Gulf Stream is a warm current.

But no, I'm just sheep, listening blindly to them dirty manipulative scientists and their false facts and evidence because the gov'mint wants to control us. You'll find plenty of websites that can detail the entire process for you in words that you understand; I understand the scientific evidence presented to me just fine simply because I'm a science buff.

As for Gravity, anyone disputing it, I will never take seriously. Ever. Evolution? Definitely real. There's tons of evidence on it. I don't feel like typing it all up; Go look it up yourself instead of coming up with these theories that we're all being lied to.

As for there being more evidence of God, no. Just because Jesus was an actual living person means nothing. But I'm not going to get into that, either, because it's a completely different topic, and not something I enjoy arguing.

Global Warming doesn't mean hotter weather, thats why they changed the term to 'Climate Change'. Honestly, the amount of times I've heard people say this I'm ready to punch someone, if you don't even know what the term means don't even bother to comment on it.

I beleive it's been reffered to as "climate change" now, so... Anyways, I don't beleive it. The Earth has gone through strange weather patterns before, without carbon emmissions or whatever. Google "little ice age."

I also find it very odd that the so called "authorities" on GW don't seem to beleive it. Look at Good ol' Al Gore. I beleive he owns an SUV and a few private jets.

I beleive it's been reffered to as "climate change" now, so... Anyways, I don't beleive it. The Earth has gone through strange weather patterns before, without carbon emmissions or whatever. Google "little ice age."

I also find it very odd that the so called "authorities" on GW don't seem to beleive it. Look at Good ol' Al Gore. I beleive he owns an SUV and a few private jets.

turtlethetaffer

Whether or not you believe in it, don't you agree that the proposals due to it are a good thing. The only thing that comes out of this argument is "We're producing too much waste, we need to recycle more and take better care of the environment". How can anyone argue against this?

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I beleive it's been reffered to as "climate change" now, so... Anyways, I don't beleive it. The Earth has gone through strange weather patterns before, without carbon emmissions or whatever. Google "little ice age."

I also find it very odd that the so called "authorities" on GW don't seem to beleive it. Look at Good ol' Al Gore. I beleive he owns an SUV and a few private jets.

Asim90

Whether or not you believe in it, don't you agree that the proposals due to it are a good thing. The only thing that comes out of this argument is "We're producing too much waste, we need to recycle more and take better care of the environment". How can anyone argue against this?

Actually, I never said finding renewable energy was a bad thing. Quite the opposite, actually. Renewable, cheap energy would be a great thing. And, yeah, it would be nice to see people wasting less. I'm just saying I don't really think that GW or climate change or whatever are what people say it is.

When an entire community of scientists (probably the most divided, scrutinizing and critical group of people in just about any society) presents a hypermajority agreement with one position - with very little economic incentive compared to the counter-opinion, at that - then I think that I'm going to have to take their word as the most reliable and unbiased thing I've got.

Just because you don't understand thermodynamics doesn't mean I have to reject a comprehensively developed and relatively flawless theory.

Barbariser

What about God? That's 90%. You undisputed about that?

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Trust But Verify, Ronald Reagan. We have not verified. AT ALL.

dunl12496

Those quotes have nothing to do with one another. Kennedy was warning about rushing to form an opinion while not thinking of it. Reagan's quote doesn't make sense. Why would you trust without verifying? Secondly over 90% of climatologists agree on the subject, that is an overwhelming majority. The research is there and has not been disproven.

That's bull **** and you know it. That's all the climatologists people choose to survey. And when was that survey done? Everything changes. And verifying global warming before we dump HUMAN'S jobs down the drain to protect something there's no proof of. That's like saying: "Someone is going to get sick, so we need to spend lots of money on it." And why hasn't government tested it? Gone out into the desert and dumped co2 in the air to see if it's real? Why is there no "hot spot" of warming that is quick to change? It's sun beams that will warm it. Not only that but how does the co2 get in the atmosphere? And what about volcanos? High up and spouting co2 constantly? Why is that area not dangerous? And what about (don't laugh) dinosaur farts? Wouldn't those make more co2 than cows. :P Ok that was kind of a joke but... why doesn't the government question this publicly? How can there be almost no doubt when we're not on fire and there's been no change for the average man?

No ones arguing with me! :cry: Was it THAT good, or THAT bad?

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You think the science is wrong? You think that all the peer-reviewed literature is bogus? Prove it.

Espada12

Yep people accept it's correct without doing their own, isn't that funny?

Especially when places are getting so cold animals are dying (like in maryland) and in the UK? Some people are even experiencing the coldest whether they have had for quite sometime.

Especially since we found out that scientist have been lying to make their theories credible! I still wonder how people believe in this. Anyone else agree?

Espada12

Apparently Canada had its hottest year on record last year.

It's quite obvious that global warming is happening, people are just debating whether it's due to man's interference with nature.

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If you feel like you have a case against it's occurrence, then submit your findings to peer review. You could get published, possibly win a nobel prize, if you're right.

Edit: I love my new sig quote.

angelkimne

Yes actually. I had a Teddy Roosevelt quote but this one was just so perfect.

People believe in everything single thing that they hear. They listen to scientists and believe their studies.

People believe in everything single thing that they hear. They listen to scientists and believe their studies.

YoungFlitz

The overall trend is warming, but that doesn't mean everyday will be hot.

i don't know if anyone has said this, haven't scrolled through all the pages.

global warming can or could lead to colder temperature, by melting polar ice caps, and glaciers in other areas, the cold water coming from these could possibly disrupt the gulf stream current, which the gulf stream is what keeps europe and north eastern america warm more so than they really should be, if you draw a line of latitude across the globe, and you might notice europe is at some points the same as alaska or canada, and sometimes even russia, yet England for example is not as cold as any of these places, not really even close, but if the gulf stream was stopped it is believed by some researched that this would cause colder temperatures, harsher winters and so on, this could possibly end up causing a mini ice age.

this is just my 2 cents based on things that I have read and researched.

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Especially when places are getting so cold animals are dying (like in maryland) and in the UK? Some people are even experiencing the coldest whether they have had for quite sometime.

Especially since we found out that scientist have been lying to make their theories credible! I still wonder how people believe in this. Anyone else agree?

Espada12

I lived in Alaska, and I must say, I don't believe in it at all.

Especially when places are getting so cold animals are dying (like in maryland) and in the UK? Some people are even experiencing the coldest whether they have had for quite sometime.

Especially since we found out that scientist have been lying to make their theories credible! I still wonder how people believe in this. Anyone else agree?

Espada12

You're forgetting one little detail...you know...about the White House guy changing it from Global Warming to "Global Climate Disruption." I lol'd when I heard about it.

Global warming means the areas within the atmosphere that have always been the coldest are much warmer than they once were. Supposedly emission clouds and zone depletionare offsetting the atmosphere's temperatures. Doesn't mean you'll feel a directclimate changeeverywhere on the globe. It's not happening over night. Supposedly the climate shift is being accelerated by unnatural elements. It's a soundtheory, but it's still just a theory.

I can give you a perfectly scientific reason why global warming could have caused the extreme cold-streaks in the UK and Maryland. As the Arctic warms a greater amount of water is evaporated causing a very high pressure system. this in turn pushed the a low pressure systtem down causing causing extremely cold weather to areas's such as the UK.

Ohio used to start the snow during late September and was often below zero Fahrenheit, usually about -30 Celsius.During the summer it would get near 45 Celsius. For weeks it was just too hot to be outside. Now in starts snowing during late November or early December and usually remainstill may sometimes July. It's kind of nice though since it never gets too hot or too cold her. Before it was just too hot then too cold.

Just look at what happened to us in Queensland, Australia...Matthewest

Exactly and then we have a drought on the other side of the country.

Especially when places are getting so cold animals are dying (like in maryland) and in the UK? Some people are even experiencing the coldest whether they have had for quite sometime.

Especially since we found out that scientist have been lying to make their theories credible! I still wonder how people believe in this. Anyone else agree?

Espada12

Well it's winter, wow it's so cold!! Hey look this fire seems hot, I wonder what will happen if I put my fingers in it!! =O

Mentality of people like you: -It's called global warming -It's cold outside -Global warming is obviously falseEngrish_Major

Simple.

1. Greenhouse gas level goes up
2. Earth heats up
3. Ice (glaciers, polar ice caps) melt
4. Cold melt water floods into the oceans screwing with the currents
5. Certain currents responsible for bringing hot, moist, tropical air to certain locations don't operate properly
6. Those places instead get colder

Just because it's cold doesn't mean the Earth isn't heating up. These same patterns occurred before the last ice age. The proof would come from the varying levels of the Oxygen 18 isotope found in the shells of benthic foraminifera (higher during periods of high glaciation attributed to high amounts of evaporation), tree ring widths (thinner during cold years), and the ratio of cadmium to calcium found in the shells of benthic foraminifera (related to ocean circulation), among other things.

So yah, water evaporates when it is hot. 99% of the oxygen in water is your typical Oxygen 16 (8 protons, 8 neutrons), but in that remaining 1% you find Oxygen 18 which has 10 neutrons. When water evaporates the lighter stuff will go first, and so there is a higher level of Oxygen 18 left in lakes, and oceans. The fossil record before the last ice age shows higher levels of Oxygen 18 found in the shells of benthic foraminifera (little plankton thingies), which tells us that the Earth was heating up at this point in time.

Tree ring widths are related to their growth rate. The higher the temperature, and humidity, the wider the rings are. During a period of time leading up to the last ice age the fossil record shows tree ring widths getting wider which shows that greenhouse gas levels were going up which of course created a humid climate perfect for growing trees in.

And lastly

Cadmium levels in ocean water! Cadmium is found in fossil records of our friend benthic foraminifera. During periods of high ocean circulation the organic material floating around the ocean doesn't get a chance to sink to the bottom, but in periods of low ocean circulation it does! And when it does you bet your bottom dollar that those benthic foraminifera are going to use this stuff when building their shells!

Now the thing about the low ocean circulation is that it's related to the amount of glacial melt water flooding into the ocean, so this shows that before the last ice age the earth was getting hot, and melting all those glaciers! And of course as I mentioned in my simple 6 steps above, when the earth heats up, and the glaciers melt, they flood into the oceans slowing down the currents which can do a whole lot to throw off the transport of hot, tropical air to certain areas which will indeed make it colder in those areas rather than hot!

And before anyone questions it YES this did all come from my brain, and my studies of Geology through reading books, and other such things that have words. NOT from the media, Al Gore, or those conspiracy shows on the history channel.

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I also find it very odd that the so called "authorities" on GW don't seem to beleive it. Look at Good ol' Al Gore. I beleive he owns an SUV and a few private jets.

turtlethetaffer

Because clearly Al Gore represents the tens of thousands of scientists who have come to a consensus on global warming. :roll:

Here is my 2 cents and I will always stick by this until I see something really evident.

The earth has been here for 6 bilion years. It has gone through a lot more in that time frame then what humans have put it through for the past 100+ years. The fact that 10,000 years ago there was a sheet of ice that came from the north pole and went as far as Maryland if not further and the fact that it melted without humans driving cars, burning fossil fuels, burning coal, or using electricity in any form or fashion should tell you that this is just how Earth is.

Now before anyone jumps on me, do I think it is bad to want to clean up where we live? No, in fact I think it is something that should be done not just because of the enviroment, but just because of what it does to own health. I mean you eat a can of Tuna, you are pretty much eating a thermometer that has mercury. The bottom line is we are a dirty species that leaves wastes everywhere and I think we should clean up after ourselves and find different ways. But please don't come at me and say the world will be absolute chaos and the water levels are going to rise 80% in 10 years and we are all going to die because frankly at one point this whole world was an acid ball, a water ball, and in fact a complete snow ball. With that being said we should be fine, just throw away your garbage, do your part, and put education in better sources of energy. Other then that don't tell me I have to purchase a $50,000 dollar micro machine for a car in order to save the human race. Oh and another thing stop showing polar bears swimming in the water or traveling on ice, when in fact that has they get around up there.

Here is my 2 cents and I will always stick by this until I see something really evident.

The earth has been here for 6 bilion years. It has gone through a lot more in that time frame then what humans have put it through for the past 100+ years. The fact that 10,000 years ago there was a sheet of ice that came from the north pole and went as far as Maryland if not further and the fact that it melted without humans driving cars, burning fossil fuels, burning coal, or using electricity in any form or fashion should tell you that this is just how Earth is.

Now before anyone jumps on me, do I think it is bad to want to clean up where we live? No, in fact I think it is something that should be done not just because of the enviroment, but just because of what it does to own health. I mean you eat a can of Tuna, you are pretty much eating a thermometer that has mercury. The bottom line is we are a dirty species that leaves wastes everywhere and I think we should clean up after ourselves and find different ways. But please don't come at me and say the world will be absolute chaos and the water levels are going to rise 80% in 10 years and we are all going to die because frankly at one point this whole world was an acid ball, a water ball, and in fact a complete snow ball. With that being said we should be fine, just throw away your garbage, do your part, and put education in better sources of energy. Other then that don't tell me I have to purchase a $50,000 dollar micro machine for a car in order to save the human race. Oh and another thing stop showing polar bears swimming in the water or traveling on ice, when in fact that has they get around up there.

xscrapzx

Just because the Earth will live on does not mean that the human race can survive no matter what happens to it. You don't see permenant residents in the Antarctic for a reason. In the end I don't think greed (the main reason to be against conservation of the enviroment) is a good exscuse to risk the future of humanity. Events in the past have nigh-wiped out massive chunks of the human race. We are not immortal.

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Here is my 2 cents and I will always stick by this until I see something really evident.

The earth has been here for 6 bilion years. It has gone through a lot more in that time frame then what humans have put it through for the past 100+ years. The fact that 10,000 years ago there was a sheet of ice that came from the north pole and went as far as Maryland if not further and the fact that it melted without humans driving cars, burning fossil fuels, burning coal, or using electricity in any form or fashion should tell you that this is just how Earth is.

Now before anyone jumps on me, do I think it is bad to want to clean up where we live? No, in fact I think it is something that should be done not just because of the enviroment, but just because of what it does to own health. I mean you eat a can of Tuna, you are pretty much eating a thermometer that has mercury. The bottom line is we are a dirty species that leaves wastes everywhere and I think we should clean up after ourselves and find different ways. But please don't come at me and say the world will be absolute chaos and the water levels are going to rise 80% in 10 years and we are all going to die because frankly at one point this whole world was an acid ball, a water ball, and in fact a complete snow ball. With that being said we should be fine, just throw away your garbage, do your part, and put education in better sources of energy. Other then that don't tell me I have to purchase a $50,000 dollar micro machine for a car in order to save the human race. Oh and another thing stop showing polar bears swimming in the water or traveling on ice, when in fact that has they get around up there.

Pixel-Pirate

Just because the Earth will live on does not mean that the human race can survive no matter what happens to it. You don't see permenant residents in the Antarctic for a reason. In the end I don't think greed (the main reason to be against conservation of the enviroment) is a good exscuse to risk the future of humanity. Events in the past have nigh-wiped out massive chunks of the human race. We are not immortal.

No matter how many Toyata Prius's we drive, earth will still kill us off

Because of all the scientific tests that have been done to prove it. People just don't to believe it because they are scared to hear the truth but everyone will have to deal with it eventually.

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Here is my 2 cents and I will always stick by this until I see something really evident.

The earth has been here for 6 bilion years. It has gone through a lot more in that time frame then what humans have put it through for the past 100+ years. The fact that 10,000 years ago there was a sheet of ice that came from the north pole and went as far as Maryland if not further and the fact that it melted without humans driving cars, burning fossil fuels, burning coal, or using electricity in any form or fashion should tell you that this is just how Earth is.

Now before anyone jumps on me, do I think it is bad to want to clean up where we live? No, in fact I think it is something that should be done not just because of the enviroment, but just because of what it does to own health. I mean you eat a can of Tuna, you are pretty much eating a thermometer that has mercury. The bottom line is we are a dirty species that leaves wastes everywhere and I think we should clean up after ourselves and find different ways. But please don't come at me and say the world will be absolute chaos and the water levels are going to rise 80% in 10 years and we are all going to die because frankly at one point this whole world was an acid ball, a water ball, and in fact a complete snow ball. With that being said we should be fine, just throw away your garbage, do your part, and put education in better sources of energy. Other then that don't tell me I have to purchase a $50,000 dollar micro machine for a car in order to save the human race. Oh and another thing stop showing polar bears swimming in the water or traveling on ice, when in fact that has they get around up there.

xscrapzx

Just because the Earth will live on does not mean that the human race can survive no matter what happens to it. You don't see permenant residents in the Antarctic for a reason. In the end I don't think greed (the main reason to be against conservation of the enviroment) is a good exscuse to risk the future of humanity. Events in the past have nigh-wiped out massive chunks of the human race. We are not immortal.

Sure the Earth will survive just fine. We, however, will be screwed.

Turns out 2010 tied for the warmest year on record according to the NOAA, and their data indicates a clear warming trend:

Their dataset is public domain, and they even have a nifty FAQ explaining the process they use to calculate results.

Whoops.