How can you possibly be religious

[QUOTE="sirkibble2"]Well, to answer your question in clarity the bible isn't the only proof but it's among them to answer your question. Well, the bible says that the word was inspired by the Holy Spirit. The bible also says that proof is clear in creation--the world, us, etc. It's complexity, it's beauty, etc. So, there's written proof and there's actual proof also. It's just a choice of believing or not.GreySeal9

Just because the Bible says it was inspired by Holy Spirit doesn't mean it was.

How in the world does the complexity and beauty of the world prove God?

If it's a matter of believing or not because God hasn't been proven. If he had been proven,his existence would be as undeniable as the sun rising in the east.

How would you disprove the bible being inspired by the holy spirit?

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

Read the thread we already answered this its not...

People are not forced to believe in everything in the koran, bible, etc. to believe in their religious entity. Just because you do not agree with her does not mean shes wrong.

DigitalExile

I never said she was wrong, I said she's being a hypocrite believing in a divine being, but not adhering to the rules and practices of the religious group she claims to be a part of. Furthermore, her friends/people she knows, believe they have divine experiences on a regular basis, but she thinks they all have psychological issues. It's okay for her to believe in a divine being and divine events (she believes major natural disasters are god "taking back the planet") but not for others to have regular divine experiences.

Shes not a hypocrite just because you believe something different, its called being a HUMAN BEING

]The point of religion is not to believe in all of one thingsuch as the bible and koran but to come together as people to believe in an entity.

fueled-system

Is anyone going to touch Buddhism here?

Holy Books are not always literal, so can be interpreted in different ways.

Is anyone going to touch Buddhism here?Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]Is anyone going to touch Buddhism here?foxhound_fox

Eh I had a discussion like this with my mum the other day. She believes in God and certain Roman Catholic things, but I asked her how/why she doesn't believe in miracles or has the same zealousness as a few people she knows (she knows a few people who I think have psychological problems that show up as religious zealousness).

Anyway, her response was simply "I just don't," which I found to be just a tad hypocritical; but it seems to be a reccuring theme with religious folk to just take what parts they want and ignore the rest. I just don't understand it. Is it not an all or nothing thing?

DigitalExile

same can go for of the people bashing religion, you simply see one side and ignore the rest, you only see "all the bad stuff" and never see the good stuff.

religion does help people. i just dont understand it aren't you guys suppose to be really open minded and see the whole picture?

and does it really hurt you so bad does it really give you such a upset stomach that someone says" they love God, that God blessed them that day and becomes religious?it just makes you look like you have nothing better to do but just troll on religious people and you guys claim to be all about peace and love.

religion does help people they do go out there way to help others, they do give food to the poor and shelters they donate to people in need, give clothes to people who needs them, go to 3rd world countries and build homes and take food with them to pass out, for the poor and they risk there lives while doing it, they donate blood to the rest cross, etc etc. why dont we talk about that side of religion and what it does to help other, instead of wide ignorant statements made from a lot of people on here.

and fyi religion goes get twisted by a lot of people, a lot of people use it for there benefit and cheat others, but you know what? what goes around comes around i seen a lot of people who said do this for the name of the lord to con people, and at the end they end up falling and ending up with nothing or went to jail, and God punish people who hurt other people in his name. and religion is not the only thing that is good and gets twisted around to hurt people science and some of the science is to help people but in the end use to hurt people.

Should a Biologist follow Darwin's Origin of Species word for word? NO! It describes a process that is ongoing and that we are still trying to fully understand till this day.

Similarly - should a Christian follow The Bible word for word? NO! The Bible is a collection of human writings that attempt to interpret and describe the Christian God and his interactions with humanity. Surely Christians don't believe God's actions are limited to those described in the Bible? Also, what separates, say, Apostle Paul from any subsequent Christian leaders / writers (St. Augustine, CS Lewis, all those popes, and pastors).

Imo the most logical thing for a Christian to do is to read the Bible in full understanding that it's merely the works work of fellow believers and to attempt to continue their work by looking for evidence of the continuing actions God/Christ both within themselves and in the world around them.

Why is it so hard for some people to have faith? blabbyboy

Religion asks people to believe in an impossibly intangible being, to chalk the creation and existance of the universe, and base our entire lives, around a being who we have NEVER ever had any proof ever existed.

The ancient Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Sumamrians, Babylonians, Aztecs, Mayans all had their own different Gods. Why is it that people must have "faith" to explain the universe by personifying natural forces? Why cannot people just admit that they have no answers and work on scientifically explaining the forces on the universe? Why do I have to read a book to tell me not to kill and maim and be a jack ass to people?

I don't need faith in something that doesn't exist. I don't need to follow the rules of a bunch of people to tell me how to be a good person so that when I die my "soul" will go to heaven. I accept that there's nothing after this. I accept that the universe came to be through pure chance. I accept that there is no inherent meaning in being human or existing.

Why can't you?

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

Eh I had a discussion like this with my mum the other day. She believes in God and certain Roman Catholic things, but I asked her how/why she doesn't believe in miracles or has the same zealousness as a few people she knows (she knows a few people who I think have psychological problems that show up as religious zealousness).

Anyway, her response was simply "I just don't," which I found to be just a tad hypocritical; but it seems to be a reccuring theme with religious folk to just take what parts they want and ignore the rest. I just don't understand it. Is it not an all or nothing thing?

msfan1289

same can go for of the people bashing religion, you simply see one side and ignore the rest, you only see "all the bad stuff" and never see the good stuff.

religion does help people. i just dont understand it aren't you guys suppose to be really open minded and see the whole picture?

and does it really hurt you so bad does it really give you such a upset stomach that someone says" they love God, that God blessed them that day and becomes religious?it just makes you look like you have nothing better to do but just troll on religious people and you guys claim to be all about peace and love.

religion does help people they do go out there way to help others, they do give food to the poor and shelters they donate to people in need, give clothes to people who needs them, go to 3rd world countries and build homes and take food with them to pass out, for the poor and they risk there lives while doing it, they donate blood to the rest cross, etc etc. why dont we talk about that side of religion and what it does to help other, instead of wide ignorant statements made from a lot of people on here.

and fyi religion goes get twisted by a lot of people, a lot of people use it for there benefit and cheat others, but you know what? what goes around comes around i seen a lot of people who said do this for the name of the lord to con people, and at the end they end up falling and ending up with nothing or went to jail, and God punish people who hurt other people in his name. and religion is not the only thing that is good and gets twisted around to hurt people science and some of the science is to help people but in the end use to hurt people.

They don't talk about these things because it doesn't help their argument.

Does Buddhism have a central scripture though? I honestly know nothing about it, but it's always seemed loosey-goosey, go-with-the-flow to me; where as the other major religions have central scriptures which seem often to be less guides and teachings for interpretation, but rather like a rule book and "morals" showing a bunch of Donny-do's and Donny-don'ts - and ****, you better do what they say or you're going to burn in hell.DigitalExile

[QUOTE="blabbyboy"]Why is it so hard for some people to have faith? DigitalExile

Religion asks people to believe in an impossibly intangible being, to chalk the creation and existance of the universe, and base our entire lives, around a being who we have NEVER ever had any proof ever existed.

The ancient Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Sumamrians, Babylonians, Aztecs, Mayans all had their own different Gods. Why is it that people must have "faith" to explain the universe by personifying natural forces? Why cannot people just admit that they have no answers and work on scientifically explaining the forces on the universe? Why do I have to read a book to tell me not to kill and maim and be a jack ass to people?

I don't need faith in something that doesn't exist. I don't need to follow the rules of a bunch of people to tell me how to be a good person so that when I die my "soul" will go to heaven. I accept that there's nothing after this. I accept that the universe came to be through pure chance. I accept that there is no inherent meaning in being human or existing. im just wondering.

and to answer my own question in vice versa, if all that is not real then at least i know i live my life to the fullest and was happy.

Why can't you?

ok but let turn around and ask you this, what if for any chance all what the bible said is real? what if you do die and you get judged? im not saying its real im saying what if, what if that does happen what will you tell you self then right there and then, and answer the question sright forward with out going off to a full explanation?

umm you can belive in god and not go to church and say grace.

im agnostic and i learned not to care let people be it makes them unique dont force your views down my throat,though i do have the flying spaghettie monster by my side

umm you can belive in god and not go to church and say grace.

almasdeathchild

yes

[QUOTE="blabbyboy"]Why is it so hard for some people to have faith? DigitalExile

Religion asks people to believe in an impossibly intangible being, to chalk the creation and existance of the universe, and base our entire lives, around a being who we have NEVER ever had any proof ever existed.

The ancient Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Sumamrians, Babylonians, Aztecs, Mayans all had their own different Gods. Why is it that people must have "faith" to explain the universe by personifying natural forces? Why cannot people just admit that they have no answers and work on scientifically explaining the forces on the universe? Why do I have to read a book to tell me not to kill and maim and be a jack ass to people?

I don't need faith in something that doesn't exist. I don't need to follow the rules of a bunch of people to tell me how to be a good person so that when I die my "soul" will go to heaven. I accept that there's nothing after this. I accept that the universe came to be through pure chance. I accept that there is no inherent meaning in being human or existing.

Why can't you?

ok but let turn around and ask you this, what if for any chance all what the bible said is real? what if you do die and you get judged? im not saying its real im saying what if, what if that does what will you tell you self then right there and then, and answer the question sright forward with out going off to a full explanation?msfan1289

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

[QUOTE="blabbyboy"]Why is it so hard for some people to have faith? blabbyboy

Religion asks people to believe in an impossibly intangible being, to chalk the creation and existance of the universe, and base our entire lives, around a being who we have NEVER ever had any proof ever existed.

The ancient Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Sumamrians, Babylonians, Aztecs, Mayans all had their own different Gods. Why is it that people must have "faith" to explain the universe by personifying natural forces? Why cannot people just admit that they have no answers and work on scientifically explaining the forces on the universe? Why do I have to read a book to tell me not to kill and maim and be a jack ass to people?

I don't need faith in something that doesn't exist. I don't need to follow the rules of a bunch of people to tell me how to be a good person so that when I die my "soul" will go to heaven. I accept that there's nothing after this. I accept that the universe came to be through pure chance. I accept that there is no inherent meaning in being human or existing.

Why can't you?

[QUOTE="blabbyboy"]Why is it so hard for some people to have faith? DigitalExile

Religion asks people to believe in an impossibly intangible being, to chalk the creation and existance of the universe, and base our entire lives, around a being who we have NEVER ever had any proof ever existed.

The ancient Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Sumamrians, Babylonians, Aztecs, Mayans all had their own different Gods. Why is it that people must have "faith" to explain the universe by personifying natural forces? Why cannot people just admit that they have no answers and work on scientifically explaining the forces on the universe? Why do I have to read a book to tell me not to kill and maim and be a jack ass to people?

I don't need faith in something that doesn't exist. I don't need to follow the rules of a bunch of people to tell me how to be a good person so that when I die my "soul" will go to heaven. I accept that there's nothing after this. I accept that the universe came to be through pure chance. I accept that there is no inherent meaning in being human or existing.

Why can't you?

You know you can believe in a deity/creator without subscribing to religion? Just sayin'And relying on science for all the answers is just as destructive as relying on religion.

[QUOTE="msfan1289"]ok but let turn around and ask you this, what if for any chance all what the bible said is real? what if you do die and you get judged? im not saying its real im saying what if, what if that does what will you tell you self then right there and then, and answer the question sright forward with out going off to a full explanation?foxhound_fox

i dont know who he/she is and im nto abusing anything im asking a simple question and want a simple aanswer. plus the question is not addressed to you anyways and if i did asked you, with what you answered let me see what teh answer might be, and so you just made my point.

[QUOTE="msfan1289"]ok but let turn around and ask you this, what if for any chance all what the bible said is real? what if you do die and you get judged? im not saying its real im saying what if, what if that does what will you tell you self then right there and then, and answer the question sright forward with out going off to a full explanation?foxhound_fox

Where did that come from lol.

He is using common sense so he must be "abusing" Pascals Gamble theory. Hm. I think someone wants to know how clever they are.

Just kidding brah :P

Wow why do some of you guys care SO MUCH about what other people believe in?Solid_Snake325

seems like a lot of them get up set stomachs, and gives them nightmares about it xD

Why can't you?

[QUOTE="msfan1289"]ok but let turn around and ask you this, what if for any chance all what the bible said is real? what if you do die and you get judged? im not saying its real im saying what if, what if that does what will you tell you self then right there and then, and answer the question sright forward with out going off to a full explanation?foxhound_fox

btw i also added a few more things to the oringal post you quoated me on. i answered my question in vice versa "mode"

ok but let turn around and ask you this, what if for any chance all what the bible said is real? what if you do die and you get judged? im not saying its real im saying what if, what if that does happen what will you tell you self then right there and then, and answer the question sright forward with out going off to a full explanation?

msfan1289

Yes what if? If I am put face to face with God and he says "Brah, why didn't you believe?" I will tell him the answer he already knows. "You created me. You knew I'd need proof to believe." If God is a logical being then he'll know exactly why it was impossible for me to believe. If he's not a logical being to see that point then he's certainly not worshipping.

All you've said with that question is religion is the "just in case" option, like when I go outside and it looks like it might rain so I take an umbrella "just in case" but you're sitting there telling me it's definitely going to rain even though you have no proof (for the record I've never been caught in the rain without an umbrella ;D).

You didn't answer my question. lolblabbyboy

You know you can believe in a deity/creator without subscribing to religion? Just sayin'And relying on science for all the answers is just as destructive as relying on religion.

Ilovegames1992

Wow why do some of you guys care SO MUCH about what other people believe in?Solid_Snake325

No, I meant general faith. "Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.blabbyboy

[QUOTE="blabbyboy"]No, I meant general faith. "Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.DigitalExile

[QUOTE="msfan1289"]

ok but let turn around and ask you this, what if for any chance all what the bible said is real? what if you do die and you get judged? im not saying its real im saying what if, what if that does happen what will you tell you self then right there and then, and answer the question sright forward with out going off to a full explanation?

DigitalExile

Yes what if? If I am put face to face with God and he says "Brah, why didn't you believe?" I will tell him the answer he already knows. "You created me. You knew I'd need proof to believe." If God is a logical being then he'll know exactly why it was impossible for me to believe. If he's not a logical being to see that point then he's certainly not worshipping.

All you've said with that question is religion is the "just in case" option, like when I go outside and it looks like it might rain so I take an umbrella "just in case" but you're sitting there telling me it's definitely going to rain even though you have no proof (for the record I've never been caught in the rain without an umbrella ;D).

nope im asking and wondering what you will say, and im not saying that it is going to happen, but we are all going to die someday so we will know if all this is real or not, and frankly who cares we only live 100 pathetic years anyway, its not like us sitting right behind a computer screen will change anything, so with this who cares what people believes in, who cares what people dont believe in, because in the end no one will logged off with changed views. ;)

I didn't know you were everyone. blabbyboy

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

[QUOTE="blabbyboy"]No, I meant general faith. "Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.blabbyboy

Whether it is conscious or subconscious EVERYONE - anyone who can possibly concieve or acknowledge the existance or concept of ANYTHING - has "faith" (the complete trust or confidence in someone or something) in something. "Something" is an impossibly broad subject, so whether it's faith in human kindness, religion, God, gravity or cheese sandwiches tasting nice, EVERYONE has faith in SOMETHING.

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]Does Buddhism have a central scripture though? I honestly know nothing about it, but it's always seemed loosey-goosey, go-with-the-flow to me; where as the other major religions have central scriptures which seem often to be less guides and teachings for interpretation, but rather like a rule book and "morals" showing a bunch of Donny-do's and Donny-don'ts - and ****, you better do what they say or you're going to burn in hell.foxhound_fox

This.

But to somewhat more directly answer the initial question: the closest thing Buddhism has that might be considered a "central scripture" (in a loose sense of the term) would be the Tripitaka. But even at that this is not a "holy text", it is not considered to be some divinely inspired, infallable word of some deity. Also the Tripitaka was not written down until nearly five centuries after the Buddha's death. Buddhism has always been a tradition passed down orally from teacher to student. The Tripitaka was basically written down to help preserve the teachings. The emphasis was still, is still to this day, on oral teachings passed down from teacher to student. Thus it is not considered particularly important for a Buddhist to have ever read or learned this scripture (well, the Tibetan Buddhists might put some emphasis on such things, but they're one of the more religious sects of Buddhism). Personally speaking some of those sutras can be an absolute chore to read. I'd rather read Brad Warner.

nope im asking and wondering what you will say, and im not saying that it is going to happen, but we are all going to die someday so we will know if all this is real or not, and frankly who cares we only live 100 pathetic years anyway, its not like us sitting right behind a computer screen will change anything, so with this who cares what people believes in, who cares what people dont believe in, because in the end no one will logged off with changed views. ;)

msfan1289

[QUOTE="blabbyboy"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]That's nonsense. Everyone has faith in "someone or something" - this thread is about religious deities/texts.

Whether it is conscious or subconscious EVERYONE - anyone who can possibly concieve or acknowledge the existance or concept of ANYTHING - has "faith" (the complete trust or confidence in someone or something) in something. "Something" is an impossibly broad subject, so whether it's faith in human kindness, religion, God, gravity or cheese sandwiches tasting nice, EVERYONE has faith in SOMETHING.

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

[QUOTE="blabbyboy"] I didn't know you were everyone. blabbyboy

Whether it is conscious or subconscious EVERYONE - anyone who can possibly concieve or acknowledge the existance or concept of ANYTHING - has "faith" (the complete trust or confidence in someone or something) in something. "Something" is an impossibly broad subject, so whether it's faith in human kindness, religion, God, gravity or cheese sandwiches tasting nice, EVERYONE has faith in SOMETHING.

Lets just get one thing straight here. A Christian God, using logic, cant exist. Other than the old "works in mysterious ways" cop out. And if he did, he knew you werent going to believe plus he's omnibenelovant so you are safe anyway.

If its Allah who's in charge, we're **** :P

[QUOTE="Meinhard1"][QUOTE="blabbyboy"] You didn't answer my question. lolblabbyboy

Scripture is the only "proof" of your Gods, so if you aren't a fundamentalist believer, how can you call yourself a believer at all?

LiftedHeadshot

Define "Scripture."

Lets just get one thing straight here. A Christian God, using logic, cant exist.Ilovegames1992

How can you be atheist either? The only logical choice IMO is agnosticism.

(not talking to you OP just some folk in this thread)

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"]Wow why do some of you guys care SO MUCH about what other people believe in?Sunsha

You have to get people to say what they believe in order to make fun of it, obviously.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]Lets just get one thing straight here. A Christian God, using logic, cant exist.ChampionoChumps

I was wondering about this one. Don't worry; I'm sure answers will be forthcoming.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]Lets just get one thing straight here. A Christian God, using logic, cant exist.ChampionoChumps

Simple. The Problem of Evil. Pretty simple logic in its most basic form.