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#1 Evil_Saluki
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You can see it in their movies and games. They show more nudity, often putting it in seemingly for the sake of it, in a lot of Spanish, German and Japanese they use a lot more female protagonists in a game. and the game itself seems more of an excuse to put an almost naked girl in, adding some very dubious sounds to her over the course of the action.

It's strange how UK and American both seem to be very lock and key about it all. Can anyone explain why? I may post back later with some examples of things I discovered, keeping it decent of course.

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because we are so "politically correct" about everything i suppose.
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#3 Barbariser
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Puritanism.

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They probably only need blood and gore to turn them on.
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they use a lot more female protagnoists in a game that seems more of an excuse to put an almost naked girl in>Evil_Saluki
American and British media do this too. In fact, I'd say they do it more than the Japanese and that's REALLY saying something. Anyway, the reason you don't see as much nudity in stuff from the UK and US is that those societies have a much heavier taboo placed on sex. America is particularly sensitive to this thanks to our puritanical roots. Interestingly enough though the Puritans, while loathing sex and skin, didn't seem to have much against violence judging by their relations with the natives and their almost gleeful willingness to burn "witches", and modern American society reflects this. A guy gets shot up into a bloody mix of meat chunks and gibs? Awesome. A woman shows a nipple during the super bowl? OH DEAR GOD WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!
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Puritanism.

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I had a peak at what Puritanism is, I mean the word pure sticks out in it and gives a hint but I came up with some religious mumbo jumbo, not what I expected. Unless your referring to the meaning of the word itself, which implies a strictness of moral beliefs. It may have something to do with that, as Christianity still has a bit of grip left with it's grubby hands on our countries balls.

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[QUOTE="Evil_Saluki"]they use a lot more female protagnoists in a game that seems more of an excuse to put an almost naked girl in>gameguy6700
American and British media do this too. In fact, I'd say they do it more than the Japanese and that's REALLY saying something.

There is something different to it however. Ignoring the porn industry for a moment, when we go sexy we tend to do either dress up some pretty woman in tight shorts or stick in the odd wet t-shirt scene. We music videos we will show women dancing in nothing but a crop top, panties and knee high boots, quite often suggestively touching some other girl while the camera flips between shots then zooming in for a close up of the naval area, or we get guys with 6 packs walking topless on the beach. As for video games, a female protagnoist might be made to look appealing, but they keep her decent.

Now for the foreign side of things, they are much more blunt with it. They won't be so subtle, it's more like an artist painting a nude portrait, or perhaps a fetish that's gone wild. I need to clarify this more I think.

We tend to be getting a little more risqué these days, but we are still not unto the same level as them. Some of the stuff they are are very disturbing actually, and I'm not sure if that's my British bloodline kicking in or if some obsessions they have embraced are a little unhealthy.

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[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Evil_Saluki"]they use a lot more female protagnoists in a game that seems more of an excuse to put an almost naked girl in>Evil_Saluki

American and British media do this too. In fact, I'd say they do it more than the Japanese and that's REALLY saying something.

There is something different to it however. Ignoring the porn industry for a moment, when we go sexy we tend to do either dress up some pretty woman in tight shorts or stick in the odd wet t-shirt scene. We music videos we will show women dancing in nothing but a crop top, panties and knee high boots, quite often suggestively touching some other girl while the camera flips between shots then zooming in for a close up of the naval area, or we get guys with 6 packs walking topless on the beach. As for video games, a female protagnoist might be made to look appealing, but they keep her decent.

Now for the foreign side of things, they are much more blunt with it. They won't be so subtle, it's more like an artist painting a nude portrait, or perhaps a fetish that's gone wild. I need to clarify this more I think.

We tend to be getting a little more risqué these days, but we are still not unto the same level as them. Some of the stuff they are are very disturbing actually, and I'm not sure if that's my British bloodline kicking in or if some obsessions they have embraced are a little unhealthy.

the thing is as you pointed out that makes no sense when you think about it because women in america are basically on tv dressed as close to nude as you can get yet if they actually went nude MAN THE GRENADES FOLKS SHES NUDE mentality would kick in while at the same time im betting all but small portion of folks would actually be disgusted by it and very rarely is the sex scene or hooker dressed like woman actually there for story purposes its normally there simply for the sake of sex appeal ratings. given also the fact the porn industry is skyrocketing daily and i think its all one big mess. never mind this all creates a very sexed up nation which kind of destroys morality which is never a good thing. ultimately it all leads to women being treated like objects instead of actual people. the thing is though if american tv goes anything further it ventures into full blown porn as it is its almost softcore porn clothed sex or half naked sex. i mean unless we want porn on the tv at 7 pm on nbc im not sure we need to go any further if anything it needs to be scaled back a bit, if a chick must be naked for the story great but if she doesnt put some clothes on and stop acting like a hooker cause really that and the music videos are ultimately nothing but the news young hot person selling their sexy body for money its almost legal prostitution really of course porn is legal so im not sure why it should matter unless you care about morality which i should hope we can agree on a few basics one being prostitution is bad. i mean lets face it theres no such thing as a well written story driven porno
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Because they don't have the "Nudity is wrong and aweful" view perhaps.
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UK? You mean the country that created Lara Croft?
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#12 markop2003
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1. Nudity in a lot of those films is not there because it is sexy. Nudity in Germany does not mean sex. 2. Continental Europe and especially Germany don;t care about nudity. If you ever go on holiday to the places where the continentals go (and especially Germans) you'll notice that pretty much all the beaches have nude sunbathers and nobody cares.
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Most movies have nude women in them. And I don't think our games are edited.

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[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

Puritanism.

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I had a peak at what Puritanism is, I mean the word pure sticks out in it and gives a hint but I came up with some religious mumbo jumbo, not what I expected. Unless your referring to the meaning of the word itself, which implies a strictness of moral beliefs. It may have something to do with that, as Christianity still has a bit of grip left with it's grubby hands on our countries balls.

Puritanism is a very strict form of protestant, i seem to remember that music, dancing and alcohol are banned. The puritans moved to the Americas so they were free to persecute.
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let's see there was this one movie, what's it's called again? oh right, American Pie.

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A study done a few years ago showed that people buy far more pornography content in states that tend to vote Republican in Presidential elections.

The problem is repression. When you tell a kid they can't do something, it is the first thing their imagination will run to. The irony is that the more countries like the UK and America hold on to some semblance of puritanical ethos, the more damage that gets done. Whereas the porn industry is a billion dollar profit machine on broken dreams and women with long histories of sexual abuse, nudity in film or television is seen as taboo. This is a shame in my opinion.

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A study done a few years ago showed that people buy far more pornography content in states that tend to vote Republican in Presidential elections.

The problem is repression. When you tell a kid they can't do something, it is the first thing their imagination will run to. The irony is that the more countries like the UK and America hold on to some semblance of puritanical ethos, the more damage that gets done.

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I don't think either country is Puritanical. Not even close.
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I don't think either country is Puritanical. Not even close. LJS9502_basic

Not quite what I was saying. There are simply political forces and a certain zeitgeist with conservative/liberal motivations in both countries that keep these mores alive.

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#19 Tweetie-Pot
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Because we prefer blood and gore on our movie screens. Much more appropriate for the children.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't think either country is Puritanical. Not even close. Shewgenja

Not quite what I was saying. There are simply political forces and a certain zeitgeist with conservative/liberal motivations in both countries that keep these mores alive.

Eh....there is a difference between a rating code that keeps children from nudity and having a puritanical ethos...your words....that keep adults from it. In the US nudity is not kept from adults and while I'm not from the UK I'd be surprised if they kept it from adults. In fact....I'd wager they don't.
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Because we prefer blood and gore on our movie screens. Much more appropriate for the children. Tweetie-Pot
I really don't know what movies you see but I've seen nudity in plenty...and I'm not talking adult movies either. I've also seen ratings on movies due to violent content that states it's not appropriate for children.
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In Denmark, nudity in movies like comedies is very common. It's not a taboo as it is in other countries. Nudity is natural. We're all born nude. There's also a lot of violence and drug-use in what most people would call a drama, but we'd call it comedy. Flickering Lights and the green butchers are perfect examples of violent, funny movies. Old men in New Cars and its predecessor are also considered funny films, and they contain even more violence and drug-use. In Denmark, we are quite free, and our freedom of speech is often used. We take pride in it. We are provocative.
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perhaps we are more repressed as a society

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UK? You mean the country that created Lara Croft?AirGuitarist87

Lara Croft is amazing.

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#25 mindstorm
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Puritanism.

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Ah, the good ol' days. :P

(Not saying they were perfect and the general view of them in our current culture is a little bit off)

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Eh....there is a difference between a rating code that keeps children from nudity and having a puritanical ethos...your words....that keep adults from it. In the US nudity is not kept from adults and while I'm not from the UK I'd be surprised if they kept it from adults. In fact....I'd wager they don't.LJS9502_basic

Wrong again. In some states they even limit the amount of or ban sex toys that adults can own/use.

...Not too sure about the UK though. But yes, there are laws that prohibit sexuality for adults. (going back to the moral issue, not the movie issue here, though both are entwined)

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[QUOTE="Tweetie-Pot"]Because we prefer blood and gore on our movie screens. Much more appropriate for the children. LJS9502_basic
I really don't know what movies you see but I've seen nudity in plenty...and I'm not talking adult movies either. I've also seen ratings on movies due to violent content that states it's not appropriate for children.

I'm guessing you didn't get my sarcasm :P
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The US loves Jesus a lot more than the rest of the world.
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It seems most have not grasped the full scale of the operation here. I will have to be very blunt with it, but this might have to wait until tomorrow since I will have to use the Internet to goto some dark, seedy places, since I got company at the moment I don't want them getting the wrong idea so I will wait for them to leave.

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The US loves Jesus a lot more than the rest of the world.wstfld
Yes, because religion is all that matters..
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Eh....there is a difference between a rating code that keeps children from nudity and having a puritanical ethos...your words....that keep adults from it. In the US nudity is not kept from adults and while I'm not from the UK I'd be surprised if they kept it from adults. In fact....I'd wager they don't.Shewgenja

Wrong again. In some states they even limit the amount of or ban sex toys that adults can own/use.

...Not too sure about the UK though. But yes, there are laws that prohibit sexuality for adults. (going back to the moral issue, not the movie issue here, though both are entwined)

Vague answer is vague. How about some specifics?
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[QUOTE="Tweetie-Pot"]Because we prefer blood and gore on our movie screens. Much more appropriate for the children. LJS9502_basic
I really don't know what movies you see but I've seen nudity in plenty...and I'm not talking adult movies either. I've also seen ratings on movies due to violent content that states it's not appropriate for children.

Watch a documentary called This Film Is Not Yet Rated. You would be surprised how often nudity is censored. It's not full blown Puritanism, but it's interesting nonetheless.

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Puritanism.

Barbariser

I think it stems more from Victorian era morality, at least on the UK side.

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[QUOTE="wstfld"]The US loves Jesus a lot more than the rest of the world.Deihjan
Yes, because religion is all that matters..

That is why abortion is legal.
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="wstfld"]The US loves Jesus a lot more than the rest of the world.woonsa
Yes, because religion is all that matters..

That is why abortion is legal.

How the flip is that related to the topic?
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tweetie-Pot"]Because we prefer blood and gore on our movie screens. Much more appropriate for the children. Film-Guy

I really don't know what movies you see but I've seen nudity in plenty...and I'm not talking adult movies either. I've also seen ratings on movies due to violent content that states it's not appropriate for children.

Watch a documentary called This Film Is Not Yet Rated. You would be surprised how often nudity is censored. It's not full blown Puritanism, but it's interesting nonetheless.

It's not censored. It's the choice of the creator as to what rating he wants for the money.....He IS free...at least in the US to NOT make cuts.
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[QUOTE="wstfld"]The US loves Jesus a lot more than the rest of the world.Deihjan
Yes, because religion is all that matters..

It certainly makes you a more conservative country socially, which would manifest itself in censorship.
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="wstfld"]The US loves Jesus a lot more than the rest of the world.wstfld
Yes, because religion is all that matters..

It certainly makes you a more conservative country socially, which would manifest itself in censorship.

Thank flock for me not living in the US, then. Sounds boring.
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The country I was born in has an extremely lax attitude to nudity, I grew up very comfortable around naked adults. Moved to England in my youth, thought it strange that there was less nudity in the media and you couldn't even go fully nude at the beach, but otherwise quite similar attitudes. Moved to america 4 years ago, would say it probably has the most strict moral attitude towards nudity as any country in the modern world. It's ridiculous, no wonder too many american kids grow up sexually confused weirdos.

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The country I was born in has an extremely lax attitude to nudity, I grew up very comfortable around naked adults. Moved to England in my youth, thought it strange that there was less nudity in the media and you couldn't even go fully nude at the beach, but otherwise quite similar attitudes. Moved to america 4 years ago, would say it probably has the most strict moral attitude towards nudity as any country in the modern world. It's ridiculous, no wonder too many american kids grow up sexually confused weirdos.

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Hmmm...I haven't met any sexually confused Americans. And again...the nudity is there if you want it. It's in PG 13 movies.:|
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Because we are sophisticated. If you want to see sex rent a porno, because we don't want the content of conventional media causing us problems. Such as kids would see these movies and think it's okay to have sex because they see it in a movie. We don't want to pay for their sex relatedmedical bills and other expenses, such as theirchildren. So we discourage them. By the time they are old enough to rent a porno they should be old enough to care for the consequences they come with sex.

Who other than a minor would want to seesex in a regular movie? Older movies did have a lot of sex related gags though. The movie commando comes to mind. When Arnold kicks Cooke through the motel room wall their is a man and a woman having sex on the bed. She jumps up screaming and pivoting so in the background a set of huge boobs are flapping around. :D

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Hmmm...I haven't met any sexually confused Americans. And again...the nudity is there if you want it. It's in PG 13 movies.:|

Homophobes, butch guys who say "Gays are disgusting" just worse, and end up being just that, are sexually confused Americans. Not saying ONLY americans are like that, but they seem to be more common in America than in the rest of the world. And PG 13 isn't exactly the same as the films I linked earlier. Those are without restrictions here in Denmark. 7 year olds can buy tickets for those and watch them in the cinema, without a parent by their side. That's not possible in the US.
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Hmmm...I haven't met any sexually confused Americans. And again...the nudity is there if you want it. It's in PG 13 movies.:|

Homophobes, butch guys who say "Gays are disgusting" just worse, and end up being just that, are sexually confused Americans. Not saying ONLY americans are like that, but they seem to be more common in America than in the rest of the world. And PG 13 isn't exactly the same as the films I linked earlier. Those are without restrictions here in Denmark. 7 year olds can buy tickets for those and watch them in the cinema, without a parent by their side. That's not possible in the US.

Not liking a group does not make one sexually confused. I'm not sure why children need to see naked adults but whatever....
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Not liking a group does not make one sexually confused. I'm not sure why children need to see naked adults but whatever....LJS9502_basic
Because nudity is normal and natural. If you get an awkward relationship with nudity, you become twisted in your head. And the way a lot of homophobes act is out of insecurity. You fear what you don't understand. Confusion, right there.
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Because we are sophisticated......the movie commando comes to mind. MagnumPI

For example, our sophisticated movie tastes.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Not liking a group does not make one sexually confused. I'm not sure why children need to see naked adults but whatever....Deihjan
Because nudity is normal and natural. If you get an awkward relationship with nudity, you become twisted in your head. And the way a lot of homophobes act is out of insecurity. You fear what you don't understand. Confusion, right there.

Well then if we use your barometer...then you'd be saying just about all Americans are twisted. Which is not the case. Most are quite well adjusted.
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Well then if we use your barometer...then you'd be saying just about all Americans are twisted. Which is not the case. Most are quite well adjusted. LJS9502_basic
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#48 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well then if we use your barometer...then you'd be saying just about all Americans are twisted. Which is not the case. Most are quite well adjusted. Deihjan
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Yes. And your stance was that the US didn't show nudity to children.
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#49 Crazy_Jane
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The country I was born in has an extremely lax attitude to nudity, I grew up very comfortable around naked adults. Moved to England in my youth, thought it strange that there was less nudity in the media and you couldn't even go fully nude at the beach, but otherwise quite similar attitudes. Moved to america 4 years ago, would say it probably has the most strict moral attitude towards nudity as any country in the modern world. It's ridiculous, no wonder too many american kids grow up sexually confused weirdos.

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Hmmm...I haven't met any sexually confused Americans. And again...the nudity is there if you want it. It's in PG 13 movies.:|

The vast majority of americans are EXTREMELY sexually confused. A country has to be deeply disturbed in it's views of nudity if a thing like 'Girls gone wild' can be a multi-million dollar industry.

The confusion stems from the fact that Americans are unable to seperate nudity from sex. In most other countries in the world, nudity represents innocence, freedom, or purity. In America, it is impossible to use nudity to show these things without giving people a sexual connotation too.

That is was is screwed up. children need to be able to see the bodies of others, understand the simple difference between the sexes that play such an important role in life, and above all not grow up thinking that their own bodies are shameful things that need to be hidden away in fear.

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#50 Deihjan
Member since 2008 • 30213 Posts
[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well then if we use your barometer...then you'd be saying just about all Americans are twisted. Which is not the case. Most are quite well adjusted. LJS9502_basic
You're not reading what I'm posting, are you?

Yes. And your stance was that the US didn't show nudity to children.

No... What I wrote was the US shows nudity, if you're followed by an adult. PG 13 film. You brought those up.