how come racisism towards the white race doesn't exist?

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#151 theone86
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make sure that the underqualified get more than the qualified simply because they're a different race... fixed. :)

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Yes, but why are they underqualified? Becuase they are simply inferior? By no means. Because they are subject to a longstanding tradition of social discrimination and are forced to live in circumstances where they cannot gain access to the necessary tools to advance their lot in life.

i don't care why they're underqualified, all positions, from jobs to scholarships to memberships, should go to the most qualified applicant. by the morals of affirmative action, we should let klansmen into the anti-defamation league.

Oh, so widespread racial discrimination that leads to someone not having access to education is OK but trying to make up for that by taking race into account when considering applicants isn't?

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#152 grenadexjumpr
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[QUOTE="JPOBS"]Many people are ignorant of the true problems with racism. A lot of people hide behind the shroud "you cant still be mad at your race being enslaved 200 years ago that is just petty" and fail to see the real problem. JPOBS

I don't have anything against Germans for killing millions of my people.

i didnt say taht you must. but you're kidding yourself if you think that black people should just "get over it" because it happen hundreds of year ago and to our ancestors. furthermore, while the holocaust may have been on par with slavery in terms of severity and brutality and all immediate effects, it has most certainly NOT had the same long lasting effects that slavery has had on people for centuries. And i know the holocaust is only decades old but other than drastic population cuts, there are no continuing effects, so please dotn compare the two.

They were equally horrific. Don't try to downplay the Holocaust. Nobody said blacks should "get over it" but the racist ones have no right to be the way they are to white people. No white person today owned slaves.

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#153 theone86
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I guess it's because the white people treated other races so bad that they desereve it. That's my opinion....

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They deserve it? For what our forefathers did, which we are absolutely in no way responsible for? However thinks that is ignorant and quite honestly, stupid.

Correction, we didn't CAUSE it directly, doesn't mean we're not responsible for trying to change the effects of it. And whoever thinks racism is centuries old is ignorant and, quite honestly, stupid.

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#154 JPOBS
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I don't have anything against Germans for killing millions of my people.

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i didnt say taht you must. but you're kidding yourself if you think that black people should just "get over it" because it happen hundreds of year ago and to our ancestors. furthermore, while the holocaust may have been on par with slavery in terms of severity and brutality and all immediate effects, it has most certainly NOT had the same long lasting effects that slavery has had on people for centuries. And i know the holocaust is only decades old but other than drastic population cuts, there are no continuing effects, so please dotn compare the two.

There were equally horrific. Don't try to downplay the Holocaust. Nobody said blacks should "get over it" but the racist ones have no right to be the way they are to white people. No white person today owned slaves.

Im not downplaying the holocaust. I even said it was equally as horrific in the short term as slavery. but even you must admit that long term devestation is in favor of the latter no? and im not saying its ok for black people to be racists towards whites, but slavery has left effects on the black race that are still felt today and thats why even though white people today never owned slaves, there is still plight felt from it by blacks. Read saudifury's post and educate yourself.
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#155 Love_my_PS360
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Yes, but why are they underqualified? Becuase they are simply inferior? By no means. Because they are subject to a longstanding tradition of social discrimination and are forced to live in circumstances where they cannot gain access to the necessary tools to advance their lot in life.

theone86

i don't care why they're underqualified, all positions, from jobs to scholarships to memberships, should go to the most qualified applicant. by the morals of affirmative action, we should let klansmen into the anti-defamation league.

Oh, so widespread racial discrimination that leads to someone not having access to education is OK but trying to make up for that by taking race into account when considering applicants isn't?

my answer is that both are very wrong. besides, there are many laws that fight against such dicrimination, so it will be making up for nothing. if someone is underqualified, THEN THEY'RE UNDERQUALIFIED! it has nothing to do with race, or color, or anything like that. if i was running a business, then i wouldn't care about the color of my applicants, i would choose based on their credentials.

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[QUOTE="JPOBS"]i didnt say taht you must. but you're kidding yourself if you think that black people should just "get over it" because it happen hundreds of year ago and to our ancestors. furthermore, while the holocaust may have been on par with slavery in terms of severity and brutality and all immediate effects, it has most certainly NOT had the same long lasting effects that slavery has had on people for centuries. And i know the holocaust is only decades old but other than drastic population cuts, there are no continuing effects, so please dotn compare the two. JPOBS

There were equally horrific. Don't try to downplay the Holocaust. Nobody said blacks should "get over it" but the racist ones have no right to be the way they are to white people. No white person today owned slaves.

Im not downplaying the holocaust. I even said it was equally as horrific in the short term as slavery. but even you must admit that long term devestation is in favor of the latter no? and im not saying its ok for black people to be racists towards whites, but slavery has left effects on the black race that are still felt today and thats why even though white people today never owned slaves, there is still plight felt from it by blacks. Read saudifury's post and educate yourself.

Black people have no reason to "feel" it today. None of them were around for slavery, neither were their fathers. Maybe not even grandfathers, so on and so on. How many generations are they allowed to feel angry about slavery for?

My people are still under pressure from entire nations to destroy our existence.

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#158 JPOBS
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[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="grenadexjumpr"]

There were equally horrific. Don't try to downplay the Holocaust. Nobody said blacks should "get over it" but the racist ones have no right to be the way they are to white people. No white person today owned slaves.

grenadexjumpr

Im not downplaying the holocaust. I even said it was equally as horrific in the short term as slavery. but even you must admit that long term devestation is in favor of the latter no? and im not saying its ok for black people to be racists towards whites, but slavery has left effects on the black race that are still felt today and thats why even though white people today never owned slaves, there is still plight felt from it by blacks. Read saudifury's post and educate yourself.

Black people have no reason to "feel" it today. None of them were around for slavery, neither were their fathers. Maybe not even grandfathers, so on and so on. How many generations are they allowed to feel angry about slavery for?

My people are still under pressure from entire nations to destroy our existence.

Please, I ask only that you go back a few dozen posts and read posts by SaudiFury. he explains perfectly what you are asking, if you really care to know the answer, it will be granted to you if you merely look at SaudiFury's post. or you could just not do it and move on with you life because something tells me you dont actually care to be proven wrong.
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i don't care why they're underqualified, all positions, from jobs to scholarships to memberships, should go to the most qualified applicant. by the morals of affirmative action, we should let klansmen into the anti-defamation league.

Love_my_PS360

Oh, so widespread racial discrimination that leads to someone not having access to education is OK but trying to make up for that by taking race into account when considering applicants isn't?

my answer is that both are very wrong. besides, there are many laws that fight against such dicrimination, so it will be making up for nothing. if someone is underqualified, THEN THEY'RE UNDERQUALIFIED! it has nothing to do with race, or color, or anything like that. if i was running a business, then i wouldn't care about the color of my applicants, i would choose based on their credentials.

But they're underqualified because of racism, and letting a CONTROLLED number, note controlled because it's not like every black person who applies to a college gets in ahead of every white person, can help them overcome the effects of that racism and improve their lot in life. It DOES matter why they're underqualified because the reason is a systematic effect of racism and affirmative action can help undo those effects.

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#160 Love_my_PS360
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Oh, so widespread racial discrimination that leads to someone not having access to education is OK but trying to make up for that by taking race into account when considering applicants isn't?

JPOBS

my answer is that both are very wrong. besides, there are many laws that fight against such dicrimination, so it will be making up for nothing. if someone is underqualified, THEN THEY'RE UNDERQUALIFIED! it has nothing to do with race, or color, or anything like that. if i was running a business, then i wouldn't care about the color of my applicants, i would choose based on their credentials.

What part of "some people are underqualified because of circumstances out of thier control and thrust upon them by stigmas of ages long gone" do you not understand? you are being extremely naive by saying 'if someone is unqualified they are unqualified." It is NOT that cut and dry.

so you're saying that just because something happened a hundred years ago that means that we should punish the people of the now? it's horribly unfair. when are people gonna learn thatdiscrimination towards blacks, or whites, or jews, or anyone else is WRONG WRONG WRONG?!

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[QUOTE="astiop"]Anyone who has a grudge on a whole ethnic group/race because their great great great great grandfather and his friends, even though they don't even know their name, were mistreated is proper dense. It also seems as if everyone is eager to find traces of racism, if you would even call it that, and point it out. Racism wouldn't even be that big of a deal if people didn't have their heads shoved up there. Also, white people have waged endless wars against each other as well. It's not as if they all ganged up and decided to conquer and enslave anything that isn't white...theone86

It's not a grudge, it's the fact that after 600 years since Africans were first forcibly removed from their native land their ancestors still have not achieved a level of social integration comprable to their numbers, and that African-Americans are still on the wrong end of many social injustices. Racism might not be such a big deal to you, but to somoene living in the projects who has just as much chance of being shot as they do graduating high school, who's only there because their parents couldn't afford to get out, who in turn were there because their parents were transplanted from a black ghetto, who were in that ghetto because they had to work for sharecropper who took advantage of their labor, who were forced to sharecrop because either they or their parents were slaves and after emancipation they were left as black citizens in the south with no other options, and those parents or perhaps an ancestor of theirs were forcibly removed from their native land due to despicable imperialism and slavery practices. It's all connected whether we like to acknowledge it or not.

Lastlsy, white people have never displaced, enslaved, and systematically subjugated other white people in the same way they've done to blacks. The slavery practices in Africa were simply unprecedented. And yes, white people in fact did gang up and decide to conquer or enslave anything that wasn't white. They regarded natives of other regions as savages and felt it was their duty to conquer them and integrate them into Christian culture.

I wasnt talking about black people alone, but whatever. My nation was enslaved for 400 years, but the only traces of racism left are some morons who complain just because they have nothing better to do, and thats how it should be. You can connect whats happening now to back then, but pointing fingers isn't gonna do ****. It's not a white persons fault if a black kid gets shot by another black kid in his ghetto neighborhood, even if it's somehow connected to what our ancestors did back THEN, the same way I'm not gonna fault a turk if a greek shoots another greek because his family was forced off istambul and is now poor.

To me that just seems like an excuse to dump the blame on someone else. Mabye im completely missing the point. Mabye i'd see things differently if i was born in some ghetto, but from here thats all i see.

On the last paragraph, they might not have done the exact same things to other white people, but they have done things to other white people that they haven't done to blacks either...

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I'm not wrong. I've lived in these "under privileged" areas you talk about, and I can honestly tell you that a majority of people living there are doing so because of choice rather than need. I lived there when my family had just immigrated from Israel, so we were poor foreigners. My dad went back to night school outside of 2 jobs and my mother did night school after her job, and we got enough money to move out of that place. New immigrants have a harder time than the other people who were living in those areas.

That argument is like beating a dead horse.

Nothing will erase slavery, and it should not be erased. But the only way to move past it is for everyone to get over it.

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[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="grenadexjumpr"]

There were equally horrific. Don't try to downplay the Holocaust. Nobody said blacks should "get over it" but the racist ones have no right to be the way they are to white people. No white person today owned slaves.

grenadexjumpr

Im not downplaying the holocaust. I even said it was equally as horrific in the short term as slavery. but even you must admit that long term devestation is in favor of the latter no? and im not saying its ok for black people to be racists towards whites, but slavery has left effects on the black race that are still felt today and thats why even though white people today never owned slaves, there is still plight felt from it by blacks. Read saudifury's post and educate yourself.

Black people have no reason to "feel" it today. None of them were around for slavery, neither were their fathers. Maybe not even grandfathers, so on and so on. How many generations are they allowed to feel angry about slavery for?

My people are still under pressure from entire nations to destroy our existence.

Oh, so slavery ended and that's it, huh? Emancipation Proclomation, then everything's suddenly hunky-dory? You obviously haven't been listening to much of what's been said nor are you very up-to-date on things like black sufferage, sharecropping, the systematic discrimination of southern blacks after the war, Jim Crow Laws, white flight, redlining, the Civil Rights Movement, systematic segregation, and the denial of basic public services to impoverished black communities. Slavery didn't just end, the whole makeup of our current society has been largely dictated by it and its effects in addition to ongoing discrimanatory policies.

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#164 Love_my_PS360
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Oh, so widespread racial discrimination that leads to someone not having access to education is OK but trying to make up for that by taking race into account when considering applicants isn't?

theone86

my answer is that both are very wrong. besides, there are many laws that fight against such dicrimination, so it will be making up for nothing. if someone is underqualified, THEN THEY'RE UNDERQUALIFIED! it has nothing to do with race, or color, or anything like that. if i was running a business, then i wouldn't care about the color of my applicants, i would choose based on their credentials.

But they're underqualified because of racism, and letting a CONTROLLED number, note controlled because it's not like every black person who applies to a college gets in ahead of every white person, can help them overcome the effects of that racism and improve their lot in life. It DOES matter why they're underqualified because the reason is a systematic effect of racism and affirmative action can help undo those effects.

the only racism i see is letting them cut to the front of the line SIMPLY because of race. if you see a black person on the streets, they didn't get there because they're black, they got there for the same reason any other person would. and controlled doesn't apply to every black person, you're right, just the ones that are grossly underqualified and can't do anything right.

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I wasnt talking about black people alone, but whatever. My nation was enslaved for 400 years, but the only traces of racism left are some morons who complain just because they have nothing better to do, and thats how it should be. You can connect whats happening now to back then, but pointing fingers isn't gonna do ****. It's not a white persons fault if a black kid gets shot by another black kid in his ghetto neighborhood, even if it's somehow connected to what our ancestors did back THEN, the same way I'm not gonna fault a turk if a greek shoots another greek because his family was forced off istambul and is now poor.

To me that just seems like an excuse to dump the blame on someone else. Mabye im completely missing the point. Mabye i'd see things differently if i was born in some ghetto, but from here thats all i see.

On the last paragraph, they might not have done the exact same things to other white people, but they have done things to other white people that they haven't done to blacks either...astiop

i dotn understand this post. you admit that the problems of ghettos are somehwat connected to slavery and what happened in its aftermath, but you don think its right to "fault" whites for it? how you can concede to the former and deny the later in the same sentence is beyond me. i ask who's "fault" is it then.

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I'm not wrong. I've lived in these "under privileged" areas you talk about, and I can honestly tell you that a majority of people living there are doing so because of choice rather than need. I lived there when my family had just immigrated from Israel, so we were poor foreigners. My dad went back to night school outside of 2 jobs and my mother did night school after her job, and we got enough money to move out of that place. New immigrants have a harder time than the other people who were living in those areas.

That argument is like beating a dead horse.

Nothing will erase slavery, and it should not be erased. But the only way to move past it is for everyone to get over it.

grenadexjumpr

Most people who live in those areas do so by choice? That's high upin the runningfor most ignorant thing i've ever heard. There is PLENTY of documentation on life in the ghettos and how much of a choice it is to live there. In most projects you can't even get an ambulance to come, no one in their right mind would choose to live in a place like that.

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I'm not wrong. I've lived in these "under privileged" areas you talk about, and I can honestly tell you that a majority of people living there are doing so because of choice rather than need. I lived there when my family had just immigrated from Israel, so we were poor foreigners. My dad went back to night school outside of 2 jobs and my mother did night school after her job, and we got enough money to move out of that place. New immigrants have a harder time than the other people who were living in those areas.

That argument is like beating a dead horse.

Nothing will erase slavery, and it should not be erased. But the only way to move past it is for everyone to get over it.

grenadexjumpr
People cant just "get over it'. There are very good reasons to not just get over it. Listen, im not saying people should continue to hold a grudge either. what i am saying, is that, the arguement commonly used by ignorant people today is that "it happened longer ago and whites of today didnt have anything to do with it so lets get over it" is flawed on NUMEROUS FRONTS. there are other reason why blacks should get over it, but that is NOT ONE OF THEM.
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[QUOTE="astiop"]I wasnt talking about black people alone, but whatever. My nation was enslaved for 400 years, but the only traces of racism left are some morons who complain just because they have nothing better to do, and thats how it should be. You can connect whats happening now to back then, but pointing fingers isn't gonna do ****. It's not a white persons fault if a black kid gets shot by another black kid in his ghetto neighborhood, even if it's somehow connected to what our ancestors did back THEN, the same way I'm not gonna fault a turk if a greek shoots another greek because his family was forced off istambul and is now poor.

To me that just seems like an excuse to dump the blame on someone else. Mabye im completely missing the point. Mabye i'd see things differently if i was born in some ghetto, but from here thats all i see.

On the last paragraph, they might not have done the exact same things to other white people, but they have done things to other white people that they haven't done to blacks either...JPOBS

i dotn understand this post. you admit that the problems of ghettos are somehwat connected to slavery and what happened in its aftermath, but you don think its right to "fault" whites for it? how you can concede to the former and deny the later in the same sentence is beyond me. i ask who's "fault" is it then.

If I was raised in a poor neighborhood because my ancestors were driven off their land and turned into a criminal, it would be my fault.
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my answer is that both are very wrong. besides, there are many laws that fight against such dicrimination, so it will be making up for nothing. if someone is underqualified, THEN THEY'RE UNDERQUALIFIED! it has nothing to do with race, or color, or anything like that. if i was running a business, then i wouldn't care about the color of my applicants, i would choose based on their credentials.

Love_my_PS360

But they're underqualified because of racism, and letting a CONTROLLED number, note controlled because it's not like every black person who applies to a college gets in ahead of every white person, can help them overcome the effects of that racism and improve their lot in life. It DOES matter why they're underqualified because the reason is a systematic effect of racism and affirmative action can help undo those effects.

the only racism i see is letting them cut to the front of the line SIMPLY because of race. if you see a black person on the streets, they didn't get there because they're black, they got there for the same reason any other person would. and controlled doesn't apply to every black person, you're right, just the ones that are grossly underqualified and can't do anything right.

What you can't seem to understand is that they DID get there because they were black. There is plenty of documentation on the systematic supression of black people in this country up through the 1970s and I have provided plenty of examples. If you refuse to accept that, that's your problem.

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[QUOTE="JPOBS"]Im not downplaying the holocaust. I even said it was equally as horrific in the short term as slavery. but even you must admit that long term devestation is in favor of the latter no? and im not saying its ok for black people to be racists towards whites, but slavery has left effects on the black race that are still felt today and thats why even though white people today never owned slaves, there is still plight felt from it by blacks. Read saudifury's post and educate yourself. theone86

Black people have no reason to "feel" it today. None of them were around for slavery, neither were their fathers. Maybe not even grandfathers, so on and so on. How many generations are they allowed to feel angry about slavery for?

My people are still under pressure from entire nations to destroy our existence.

Oh, so slavery ended and that's it, huh? Emancipation Proclomation, then everything's suddenly hunky-dory? You obviously haven't been listening to much of what's been said nor are you very up-to-date on things like black sufferage, sharecropping, the systematic discrimination of southern blacks after the war, Jim Crow Laws, white flight, redlining, the Civil Rights Movement, systematic segregation, and the denial of basic public services to impoverished black communities. Slavery didn't just end, the whole makeup of our current society has been largely dictated by it and its effects in addition to ongoing discrimanatory policies.

Those slaves were also part of an economy which, if that economy had not flourished, then this country would not have been what it is today. Certainly that doesn't justify the act of slavery and what happened there after, but that's the truth. Slavery ended. Discrimination didn't. They are two totally different things. Like I said, our government paid to have an entire country created in Africa and said "ok, you all can go back to Africa like you said you've wanted to do for a long time now!" and nobody did.

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my answer is that both are very wrong. besides, there are many laws that fight against such dicrimination, so it will be making up for nothing. if someone is underqualified, THEN THEY'RE UNDERQUALIFIED! it has nothing to do with race, or color, or anything like that. if i was running a business, then i wouldn't care about the color of my applicants, i would choose based on their credentials.

Love_my_PS360

What part of "some people are underqualified because of circumstances out of thier control and thrust upon them by stigmas of ages long gone" do you not understand? you are being extremely naive by saying 'if someone is unqualified they are unqualified." It is NOT that cut and dry.

so you're saying that just because something happened a hundred years ago that means that we should punish the people of the now? it's horribly unfair. when are people gonna learn thatdiscrimination towards blacks, or whites, or jews, or anyone else is WRONG WRONG WRONG?!

no, that is not even close to what im saying. i dont think you even attmepted to understand what i was saying based on your response :|
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#172 Love_my_PS360
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But they're underqualified because of racism, and letting a CONTROLLED number, note controlled because it's not like every black person who applies to a college gets in ahead of every white person, can help them overcome the effects of that racism and improve their lot in life. It DOES matter why they're underqualified because the reason is a systematic effect of racism and affirmative action can help undo those effects.

theone86

the only racism i see is letting them cut to the front of the line SIMPLY because of race. if you see a black person on the streets, they didn't get there because they're black, they got there for the same reason any other person would. and controlled doesn't apply to every black person, you're right, just the ones that are grossly underqualified and can't do anything right.

What you can't seem to understand is that they DID get there because they were black. There is plenty of documentation on the systematic supression of black people in this country up through the 1970s and I have provided plenty of examples. If you refuse to accept that, that's your problem.

ok, i'm not gonna waste my breath with such a loaded statement. i'm just gonna say that hitler came to power by blaming a single race on all of the country's problems. not much of a difference if you think about it.

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#173 gamesock
Member since 2009 • 507 Posts
There is no white race or black race. There are skin tones. A race is a group of ethnically different people. The French are a race. The Russians are a race. Etc.
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#174 TBoogy
Member since 2007 • 4382 Posts

[QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]

I really can't stand that show...

finesse-gamer

Why?

it has some pretty prejudice undertones that I don't appreciate. It may just be the one characters dialogue, or the attitude of the actual writers... IDK but it still irks me to see such a ridiculously one-sided view on things.

it's almost as bad as movies where the one black character is always the stereotypical gangsta-silly-comic relief guy.

Wow, your description of THE BOONDOCKS is completely wrong. Especially the "one sided" comment. The comic (or show) is purposefully set up with everyone being darn near opposites. How can it be one sided? Yes, Huey is a militant young black panther-like conspiracy theorist (and vegetarian). His family thinks he is nuts. Riley is your typical gangster wanna be. Huey thinks he is nuts. You have theblack man married to the white woman, you have the black man that hates other black people. I could go on, but whats the point...

on topic, racism towards white people exsists, of course. It's just that no group is powerful enough as a whole to do anything to hinder the progress of another group except whites, so not much can come from that hatred. I also think most racist blacks learned to hate whites because of something that was done to them personally, where most whites I have heard say they dont like blacks do so because of something they "heard" or saw on TV. Often never having dealt with black people at all. Just an observation.

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#175 mixmax5
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Slavery I would say.

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#176 TBoogy
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I have a few words:

Black Panthers and Malcom X.

That is all.

starfox15

LOL. 5 words, and you still didn't say a single thing...

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#177 TBoogy
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Actually it would even be wrong for someone to say "I didn't enslave anyone, my forefathers did!", unless their forefathers came over here to America during that time (and even then not everyone owned slaves).

What I mean by this is: My ancestors are Italian and German and they didn't come to America until my Great Grandfathers, so even though I'm American, I am in no way connected to those events 300 years ago.

Which makes blacks statements ridiculous. Also I use "blacks" not African Americans. If I'm going to call them African Americans then they can call me an Italian American, otherwise I might get all offended :roll:. Stupid double standards.

howlrunner13

You say that as if the term "Italian American" has never been used. You can be called whatever you like, no one cares.

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#178 Trmpt
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furthermore, while the holocaust may have been on par with slavery in terms of severity and brutality and all immediate effects JPOBS
R U serious? I think the Jews were treated A LOT worse than the slaves were. Even if you take the total amount of Jews killed during the holocaust and divide it by 4, then take one of those quarters and put it up to the entire amount of slaves killed, it woul not even compare to the amount of Jews killed.
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#179 Gaming-Planet
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Because white people just don't care I guess.

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#180 jg4xchamp
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The way i see it if you are willing to make wise cracks about another race, you better man up and take jokes about your own and not be a sissy about it IF you have a problem with racial jokes, don't make racial jokes about other races. That simple
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#181 Z0MBIES
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Polish Jews would like to have a word with basically every other race on the past discrimination issue... Honestly being racist towards a white person is pretty futile, especially if they are blunt, the non-white person is always the one that will get more offended, trust me. I also haven't really seen a stereotype that has fit a large number of 'white' people, which is part of the reason why they aren't nearly as effective.
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#182 Shhadow_Viper
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Racisim exists from every race towards every race, it's just that history tends to make some instances stand out more than others.

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#183 Listen_420
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It does exist. White people are just too chicken to say anything back/don't care.

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#184 kaangonultas
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İts called double standards
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#185 gamerguru100
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i've noticed this. White's accept it. For example Blacks call whites crackers sometimes and Whites don't care but if you say. (sorry if this is bad mods) "the n word" then Blacks will get mad. It's just that whites think they are superior and when someone puts their race down they ignore it thinking they are just jealous. Link334
And yet I hear blacks calling themselves the "N-word". What's up with that?

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#186 trix5817
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Its like calling the schoolyard bully a jerk. You don't get in trouble for that. And don't give me any of this "but I'm not racist, so I shouldn't be guilty of racism" because the truth is racism isn't a personal evil, but a societal evil. Our white society has not yet fully repented, and the black communities (and other minorities) have not yet forgiven them. Acemaster27

So I should be blamed for something I had no control over? Gotta love collectivism...

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#187 blooddog28
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oh belive me racism towards us white people do exist...
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#188 trix5817
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[QUOTE="viewtiful26"]There was a court case called Bakke v. University of California, and that was said to be "reverse discrimination" in which a student performed better than some minorities, but minorities were allowed in the school because of special program. The white student sued and got into the school.theone86

It's called affirmative action and it's meant to insure both that qualified African-Americans aren't passed over due to discrimination and that African-Americans who don't have the same opportunites afforded them still have the ability to improve their lot in life.

It's racial discrimination, pure and simple. You don't fight dsicrimination with discrimination.

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#189 JohnBasedow
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[QUOTE="JohnBasedow"]

My point is that unless you have to deal with non-whites on a regular basis howdo you know you're not a racist?I've personally witnessed my entiretown turn intoa third-world cesspool because of blacks from Chicago and Somalis, being labeled a racist is the least of my problems.If my beautifulsweet and innocentScandinavian Grandma and Mom(both anti-racists)can admit there'ssome problem,heterosexual white men worth their saltshould be able to as well. Nearly every race has their own homeland except whites and within whites there's the most diversity of culture and beauty. White men and women who aren't outraged are brainwashed by the mainstream media. There is no greater power in the world today than that wielded by the manipulators of public opinion in America.

theone86

Okay, first off the degredation of your community is due to their social-economic standing, not the color of their skin. I'm not saying the two aren't inter-related because they are, in fact those people are probably poor because of the color of their skin, but you act like black people move into a neighborhood and it naturally goes to crap, that's not true. Poor people move into a neighborhood and it goes to crap, they just happen to be black.

Second, whites have plenty of homelands, most of Europe and everything north of Mexico are white-dominated countries. Third, there is no conspiracy against white people. The world is changing and diversifying, simple as that. If that outrages you that says more about you as a person than iot does about society.

I strongly disagree, during deppresion times the US had one of the lowest crime rates in History. What has changed since then? They have high numbers insome countries stillbutthey do nothave influence on the government, media, ect. and these"white homelands" aren'teven all white wheras blacks have plenty of countries all black. How do you explainhigher instances of interracial rape among blacks.In fairness to blacks though, they have as little influence on themedia/gov.as whites do and fighting amongst eachother isn't going to solve anything.There's a conspiracy against whites though, how themedia/gov worksthis cultureless plastic society that currentlyexistsis proof of it.Every man should beindependent and proud, regardless of race.

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#190 Tjeremiah1988
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Racism towards whites is very prevalent in America.

For some reason, you guys do not have some pompous as such as Al Sharpton.

clayron
I sometimes cant stand Al Sharpton, but he speaks when many are afraid to. I give him props for that!
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#191 trix5817
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[QUOTE="observer77"]

it's a double standard.

theone86

The fact that black people who dominate poverty-stricken areas and have no access to a decent education are expected to compete with priviledged white people who go to decent and well-equipped schools is a double-standard.

These areas get the most funding for schools! Solution: vouchers. Let the kids and parents have a choice in where they want to attend school. And white kids also have to deal with the same circumstances, considering there are mor whites in poverty than blacks...

Maybe you should stop being obscessed with the color of ones skin and judge them by the content of their character. Maybe you should stop judgeing people by the collective and rather indivudually...

Obscession with race is the ultimate form of Collectivism.

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#192 JohnBasedow
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You guys can admit some whites are out for whites, what's hard to believethat someother races are members of non-white races areout for themselves aswell? Most of you anti-racist don't seem to know much about anything outside of what the anti-white media tells you....

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#193 trix5817
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[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="grenadexjumpr"]

There were equally horrific. Don't try to downplay the Holocaust. Nobody said blacks should "get over it" but the racist ones have no right to be the way they are to white people. No white person today owned slaves.

grenadexjumpr

Im not downplaying the holocaust. I even said it was equally as horrific in the short term as slavery. but even you must admit that long term devestation is in favor of the latter no? and im not saying its ok for black people to be racists towards whites, but slavery has left effects on the black race that are still felt today and thats why even though white people today never owned slaves, there is still plight felt from it by blacks. Read saudifury's post and educate yourself.

Black people have no reason to "feel" it today. None of them were around for slavery, neither were their fathers. Maybe not even grandfathers, so on and so on. How many generations are they allowed to feel angry about slavery for?

My people are still under pressure from entire nations to destroy our existence.

Jews are blamed for just about everything. They've been hated for centuries.

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#194 Tjeremiah1988
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also to this very day, whites continue to get special treatment no matter their position. I remember a court case, a white man was accused of raping a girl, he later admit he did it and only got ...6 months :| . Im sure if that was a black guy, that would easily be LIFE. Also, im tired of getting followed when im in a damn STORE! Why do white employees have to follow me around asking if I need help, smiling with their cheezy smile every time I turn the corner? Its obvious your following me because im black and think im going to steal something. Im sick of it! By the way, this was in NewJersey :?

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#195 corwinn01
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Read this before you judge me.


There are African Americans Mexican Americans Asian Americans Arab Americans Native Americans etc.

And then there are just Americans
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction You Call me White boy, Cracker, Honkey, Whitey, Caveman. And that's OK.

But when I call you, assrted names that just got censored

You call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

You have the United Negro College Fund You have Martin Luther King Day. You have BlackHistory Month You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi You have the NAACP You have BET.

If we had WET (..White Entertainment Television..) - We'd be racists.

If we had a White Pride Day - You would call us racists.

If we had White History Month - We'd be racists.

If we had any organization for only whites to "advance OUR lives" - You would call us racists.

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plainChamber of Commerce.

Wonder who pays for that?
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships You know we'd be racists.

Thereare over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US , yet if there were a "White college" THAT would be a racist college.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching For your race and rights.If we marched for our race and rights,

You would call us racists.

You are proud to be black brown yellow and orange, and you're Not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride
You call us racists.

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer Shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drugdealer running from the law and posing a threat to society.

You call him a racist.

I am proud and white

But, you call me a racist.
Ever wonder...

Why is it that only whites can be racists?

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#196 trix5817
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[QUOTE="Love_my_PS360"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Oh, so widespread racial discrimination that leads to someone not having access to education is OK but trying to make up for that by taking race into account when considering applicants isn't?

theone86

my answer is that both are very wrong. besides, there are many laws that fight against such dicrimination, so it will be making up for nothing. if someone is underqualified, THEN THEY'RE UNDERQUALIFIED! it has nothing to do with race, or color, or anything like that. if i was running a business, then i wouldn't care about the color of my applicants, i would choose based on their credentials.

But they're underqualified because of racism, and letting a CONTROLLED number, note controlled because it's not like every black person who applies to a college gets in ahead of every white person, can help them overcome the effects of that racism and improve their lot in life. It DOES matter why they're underqualified because the reason is a systematic effect of racism and affirmative action can help undo those effects.

So you're going to fight racism with more racism?

You can't be hired because you're white. Sorry, we must hire a black person. How is that not racism?

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#197 Tjeremiah1988
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Read this before you judge me.


There are African Americans Mexican Americans Asian Americans Arab Americans Native Americans etc.

And then there are just Americans
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction You Call me White boy, Cracker, Honkey, Whitey, Caveman. And that's OK.

But when I call you, assrted names that just got censored

You call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?



Why is it that only whites can be racists?

corwinn01

The ghetto is dangerous because of the enviroment :| . People fight to survive. Its not the kids fault they grow up in some troubling environment where 21 is a rare number. Ghettos have very poor conditions. Also this whole argument is stupid. Not only whites can be racist :|. Like one said in page one I believe, whites have tried to be the dominant since day one, have appeared to be the most ignorant throughout history, its their history, which is why the majority, ignorant, hates them.

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#198 trix5817
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also to this very day, whites continue to get special treatment no matter their position. I remember a court case, a white man was accused of raping a girl, he later admit he did it and only got ...6 months :| . Im sure if that was a black guy, that would easily be LIFE. Also, im tired of getting followed when im in a damn STORE! Why do white employees have to follow me around asking if I need help, smiling with their cheezy smile every time I turn the corner? Its obvious your following me because im black and think im going to steal something. Im sick of it! By the way, this was in NewJersey :?

Tjeremiah1988

Because a large amount of convicts are black, so statistically speaking you're more likely to steal something. Not saying this is right, just saying that's the reason why people do it. Even Jesse Jackson admitted that he'd feel less saife if he was walking down the street and he saw a black person walking up behind him than a white person. It's just a matter of statistics and human nature. It sucks but that's just the way it is unfortunately.

It's the same as saying that if a woman walked into a room would you guess that she would be a Republican or Democrat? Chances are, she's a Democrat because the majority of Women are Democrats.

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#199 meiaman
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also to this very day, whites continue to get special treatment no matter their position. I remember a court case, a white man was accused of raping a girl, he later admit he did it and only got ...6 months :| . Im sure if that was a black guy, that would easily be LIFE. Also, im tired of getting followed when im in a damn STORE! Why do white employees have to follow me around asking if I need help, smiling with their cheezy smile every time I turn the corner? Its obvious your following me because im black and think im going to steal something. Im sick of it! By the way, this was in NewJersey :?

Tjeremiah1988
Because the employees just want to help you and judging by how their act, there is something on you that makes them think that you need help deciding what to buy or what to shop. Maybe because you show an indecise face every time you go to a shop? :D
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#200 Tjeremiah1988
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[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]

also to this very day, whites continue to get special treatment no matter their position. I remember a court case, a white man was accused of raping a girl, he later admit he did it and only got ...6 months :| . Im sure if that was a black guy, that would easily be LIFE. Also, im tired of getting followed when im in a damn STORE! Why do white employees have to follow me around asking if I need help, smiling with their cheezy smile every time I turn the corner? Its obvious your following me because im black and think im going to steal something. Im sick of it! By the way, this was in NewJersey :?

meiaman
Because the employees just want to help you and judging by how their act, there is something on you that makes them think that you need help deciding what to buy or what to shop. Maybe because you show an indecise face every time you go to a shop? :D

No, I know they are following because im black, you just..know by the way they act. I remember when I was 8, my aunt brought me to a COACH store. This white lady kept following me and my sister throughout the store! I swear, she was playing peek-a-boo :lol: