As usual, the liberals say good with the reasoning that he's doing what they expected, and the conservatives say bad with the reasoning that he's doing what they expected. :P
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As usual, the liberals say good with the reasoning that he's doing what they expected, and the conservatives say bad with the reasoning that he's doing what they expected. :P
A clockwork gamespot.. :PAs usual, the liberals say good with the reasoning that he's doing what they expected, and the conservatives say bad with the reasoning that he's doing what they expected. :P
aliblabla2007
Im trying to be the most supportive as i can, I think hes doing a decent job.... hes the first President iv seen try something differnt. But i definantly thing there has not been enough time to determine what hes doing as effective, or productive. Man works harder than any president iv seen while iv been alive, whether hes working towards good or bad its too early to tell, but hes trying to do better for us all thats for sure, that doesnt mean itll turn out that way. but i pray for him and do my best to support him cause oppressing him will only make his job 100 times harder
There are more pressing issues, seriously its been a few months and hes in the middle of a mess Even Roosevelt took time to fix things (and then have them ruined by the Supreme Court). And i love your last line, yeah just make some sweeping conclusions:roll: Im not stupid, youre foreign policy will always be expansionist, therefore the only difference will be in his domestic policiesToo soon to pass judgement?
He has already broken his Iraq promise, but I guess it's too soon to pass judgement on the fact that it got pushed back from immediately, to 6 months, to 16 months.
He has broken his "get rids of lobbyists" promise from the campaign, his staff almost entirely consists of lobbyists.
Trillions of dollars of non existing money has beenspent to "recover" the economy, which either shows a lack of economic understanding or deliberately trying to crash the economy, thus robbing the middle class of all it's assets.
Change is disturbingly abundant, but I guess the fact that he is black and articulate is change enough for you
Dark-Sithious
[QUOTE="Dark-Sithious"]There are more pressing issues, seriously its been a few months and hes in the middle of a mess Even Roosevelt took time to fix things (and then have them ruined by the Supreme Court). And i love your last line, yeah just make some sweeping conclusions:roll: Im not stupid, youre foreign policy will always be expansionist, therefore the only difference will be in his domestic policiesToo soon to pass judgement?
He has already broken his Iraq promise, but I guess it's too soon to pass judgement on the fact that it got pushed back from immediately, to 6 months, to 16 months.
He has broken his "get rids of lobbyists" promise from the campaign, his staff almost entirely consists of lobbyists.
Trillions of dollars of non existing money has beenspent to "recover" the economy, which either shows a lack of economic understanding or deliberately trying to crash the economy, thus robbing the middle class of all it's assets.
Change is disturbingly abundant, but I guess the fact that he is black and articulate is change enough for you
FirstDiscovery
There are more pressing issues than the economy? Like what?
Also, regardless of the situation he has broken several of his promises, if he knew he couldn't deliver on his promise then why tell the American public he would? He's either a liar, or didn't have the foresight to evaluate the coming situation, thus not suited for the job.
The last line is true, just because your last president was **** doesn't mean you should acceptanything that is somewhat better.
There are more pressing issues, seriously its been a few months and hes in the middle of a mess Even Roosevelt took time to fix things (and then have them ruined by the Supreme Court). And i love your last line, yeah just make some sweeping conclusions:roll: Im not stupid, youre foreign policy will always be expansionist, therefore the only difference will be in his domestic policies[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="Dark-Sithious"]
Too soon to pass judgement?
He has already broken his Iraq promise, but I guess it's too soon to pass judgement on the fact that it got pushed back from immediately, to 6 months, to 16 months.
He has broken his "get rids of lobbyists" promise from the campaign, his staff almost entirely consists of lobbyists.
Trillions of dollars of non existing money has beenspent to "recover" the economy, which either shows a lack of economic understanding or deliberately trying to crash the economy, thus robbing the middle class of all it's assets.
Change is disturbingly abundant, but I guess the fact that he is black and articulate is change enough for you
Dark-Sithious
There are more pressing issues than the economy? Like what?
Also, regardless of the situation he has broken several of his promises, if he knew he couldn't deliver on his promise then why tell the American public he would? He's either a liar, or didn't have the foresight to evaluate the coming situation, thus not suited for the job.
The last line is true, just because your last president was **** doesn't mean you should acceptanything that is somewhat better.
Im not American:lol: Either way, these are politicians, give him time, as with my Roosevelt example, and as i said, the ECONOMY is the most important issue right now. Its not his fault that things are in the dire state they areOn one hand hes closed Gitmo, but what about rendition and torture?Good so far. He's closed Gitmo, lifted the stem cell research ban, and re-invested in America infrastructure. :)
And Obama has been great at getting the cons all riled up :lol:
LosDaddie
[QUOTE="munu9"]That fact that "really bad" is at 32% when really good is at 10% clearly shows that this board more swayed to the conservative/republican side. That or maybe obama fans tend to do something more constructive than talk about this on some random game website's message board :P GamerForca:lol: Did you visit OT during the election? He was a frickin GOD here. If GS OT of all places doesn't like Obama.. then clearly something's wrong..
I was here during the election last year and while I agree the OT leans (slightly)Left, there was definitely a committed anti-Obama group here in the OT. Mystery Lobster immediately comes to mind.
The Righties in the OT need to stop playing the Victim Card so much and admit they have a presence here. :)
:lol: Did you visit OT during the election? He was a frickin GOD here. If GS OT of all places doesn't like Obama.. then clearly something's wrong..[QUOTE="GamerForca"][QUOTE="munu9"]That fact that "really bad" is at 32% when really good is at 10% clearly shows that this board more swayed to the conservative/republican side. That or maybe obama fans tend to do something more constructive than talk about this on some random game website's message board :P LosDaddie
I was here during the election last year and while I agree the OT leans (slightly)Left, there was definitely a committed anti-Obama group here in the OT. Mystery Lobster immediately comes to mind.
The Righties in the OT need to stop playing the Victim Card so much and admit they have a presence here. :)
Yeah, just dont say the S word![QUOTE="LosDaddie"]On one hand hes closed Gitmo, but what about rendition and torture?Good so far. He's closed Gitmo, lifted the stem cell research ban, and re-invested in America infrastructure. :)
And Obama has been great at getting the cons all riled up :lol:
FirstDiscovery
Obama signed a bill that expressly said that our military will only use interrogation tactics described in the handbook.
That's progress to me.
On one hand hes closed Gitmo, but what about rendition and torture?[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]
Good so far. He's closed Gitmo, lifted the stem cell research ban, and re-invested in America infrastructure. :)
And Obama has been great at getting the cons all riled up :lol:
LosDaddie
Obama signed a bill that expressly said that our military will only use interrogation tactics described in the handbook.
That's progress to me.
Yeah, we should only use techniques described in the military FIELD manuals are a great guide to interrogation, and why did he close gitmo instead of just fixing stopping torture. Releasing those prisoners, THAT IS DANGEROUS. The Taliban commander in southern Afghanistan was released from Guantanamo, and that is just the start if most of the prisoners are released. This is change, but not progress.http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/03/the_talibans_surge_c.php
[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]
[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]On one hand hes closed Gitmo, but what about rendition and torture?Jacobistheman
Obama signed a bill that expressly said that our military will only use interrogation tactics described in the handbook.
That's progress to me.
Yeah, we should only use techniques described in the military FIELD manuals are a great guide to interrogation, and why did he close gitmo instead of just fixing stopping torture. Releasing those prisoners, THAT IS DANGEROUS. The Taliban commander in southern Afghanistan was released from Guantanamo, and that is just the start if most of the prisoners are released. This is change, but not progress.http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/03/the_talibans_surge_c.php
That article just proves to me that Obama was correct in pointing out how GWB (and the cons) took their eye off A-Stan. And thus, the Taliban were able to regain strength in the country. :)
Obama is a liar and deceiver. He can't speak without his precious teleprompter. He wants to take away our rights to bear arms, control internet, fund his nazi youth brigades, impose increase in taxes, keep the troops over seas, force mandatory volunteering and SO MUCH MORE!!! He is utter crap.
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Oh, sorry, I forgot that all earmarks are clearly, unquestionably wasteful.Stevo_the_gamerLike, duh. Didn't you get the memo? :P
Nah, I don't subscribe to John McCain's newsletter. :P
:lol: Did you visit OT during the election? He was a frickin GOD here. If GS OT of all places doesn't like Obama.. then clearly something's wrong..[QUOTE="GamerForca"][QUOTE="munu9"]That fact that "really bad" is at 32% when really good is at 10% clearly shows that this board more swayed to the conservative/republican side. That or maybe obama fans tend to do something more constructive than talk about this on some random game website's message board :P LosDaddie
I was here during the election last year and while I agree the OT leans (slightly)Left, there was definitely a committed anti-Obama group here in the OT. Mystery Lobster immediately comes to mind.
The Righties in the OT need to stop playing the Victim Card so much and admit they have a presence here. :)
I still don't know whether or not mysterylobster was just a troll or not :P.
Some of the things she said were... out there... :P.
[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]
[QUOTE="GamerForca"] :lol: Did you visit OT during the election? He was a frickin GOD here. If GS OT of all places doesn't like Obama.. then clearly something's wrong..chessmaster1989
I was here during the election last year and while I agree the OT leans (slightly)Left, there was definitely a committed anti-Obama group here in the OT. Mystery Lobster immediately comes to mind.
The Righties in the OT need to stop playing the Victim Card so much and admit they have a presence here. :)
I still don't know whether or not mysterylobster was just a troll or not :P.
Some of the things she said were... out there... :P.
ML sounded like the typical Limbaugh fan to me. If you listen to right-wing propaganda radio, then you'd know there are plenty of people just like him.
:lol: Did you visit OT during the election? He was a frickin GOD here. If GS OT of all places doesn't like Obama.. then clearly something's wrong..[QUOTE="GamerForca"][QUOTE="munu9"]That fact that "really bad" is at 32% when really good is at 10% clearly shows that this board more swayed to the conservative/republican side. That or maybe obama fans tend to do something more constructive than talk about this on some random game website's message board :P LosDaddie
I was here during the election last year and while I agree the OT leans (slightly)Left, there was definitely a committed anti-Obama group here in the OT. Mystery Lobster immediately comes to mind.
The Righties in the OT need to stop playing the Victim Card so much and admit they have a presence here. :)
Why does someone who did not support obama have to be a righty? Stop proving that you are just a mirror image of repubs. Democrats are not leftist, giving away free money and houses to the lazy to get votes is in no way pro-worker. Supporting worker-coops and non corrupt unions like the iww would be leftist. Yet all I see from obama is neo-liberalism like reagan.
i still cant tell yet, but he seems to be well liked by many in the states and foreign leaders... he still as a hugh mess to clean up and judging him now, without presenting a better stimulus plan of my own is not fair. i cant remember any other prez having this many topics on OT. the color of green is not a good look on everyone.
Nah, I don't subscribe to John McCain's newsletter.chessmaster1989McCain? Pshh. He's biased. I'm subscribed to "Fox News". 8) :P
[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]
[QUOTE="GamerForca"] :lol: Did you visit OT during the election? He was a frickin GOD here. If GS OT of all places doesn't like Obama.. then clearly something's wrong..dmc333
I was here during the election last year and while I agree the OT leans (slightly)Left, there was definitely a committed anti-Obama group here in the OT. Mystery Lobster immediately comes to mind.
The Righties in the OT need to stop playing the Victim Card so much and admit they have a presence here. :)
Why does someone who did not support obama have to be a righty? Stop proving that you are just a mirror image of repubs. Democrats are not leftist, giving away free money and houses to the lazy to get votes is in no way pro-worker. Supporting worker-coops and non corrupt unions like the iww would be leftist. Yet all I see from obama is neo-liberalism like reagan.
Why yes, Reagan was quite the liberal
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Nah, I don't subscribe to John McCain's newsletter.Stevo_the_gamerMcCain? Pshh. He's biased. I'm subscribed to "Fox News". 8) :P icwutudidthur :P
:lol: Did you visit OT during the election? He was a frickin GOD here. If GS OT of all places doesn't like Obama.. then clearly something's wrong..GamerForca
I was here during the election last year and while I agree the OT leans (slightly)Left, there was definitely a committed anti-Obama group here in the OT. Mystery Lobster immediately comes to mind.
The Righties in the OT need to stop playing the Victim Card so much and admit they have a presence here. :)
Yeah, just dont say the S word! Yeah, don't say the S word to someone that votes with the Socialist Party in Portugal. :lol: You guys are hilarious. Anybody who doesn't vote for your Obama just HAS to be a reactionary bumpkin, right? Give me a break.Yeah, we should only use techniques described in the military FIELD manuals are a great guide to interrogation, and why did he close gitmo instead of just fixing stopping torture. Releasing those prisoners, THAT IS DANGEROUS. The Taliban commander in southern Afghanistan was released from Guantanamo, and that is just the start if most of the prisoners are released. This is change, but not progress.[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]
[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]
Obama signed a bill that expressly said that our military will only use interrogation tactics described in the handbook.
That's progress to me.
LosDaddie
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/03/the_talibans_surge_c.php
That article just proves to me that Obama was correct in pointing out how GWB (and the cons) took their eye off A-Stan. And thus, the Taliban were able to regain strength in the country. :)
First of all, hindsight is always 20/20. Second of all, the libs took their eyes off of A-stan also, AND THEY WERE IN CHARGE. Third, this debate has nothing to do with taking eyes off of Afghanistan, it is about releasing terrorist from prison.would you of said this about Bush?he's doing as well as can be expected of a president in such hard times.
ace-of-spades93
[QUOTE="dmc333"]
[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]
I was here during the election last year and while I agree the OT leans (slightly)Left, there was definitely a committed anti-Obama group here in the OT. Mystery Lobster immediately comes to mind.
The Righties in the OT need to stop playing the Victim Card so much and admit they have a presence here. :)
LosDaddie
Why does someone who did not support obama have to be a righty? Stop proving that you are just a mirror image of repubs. Democrats are not leftist, giving away free money and houses to the lazy to get votes is in no way pro-worker. Supporting worker-coops and non corrupt unions like the iww would be leftist. Yet all I see from obama is neo-liberalism like reagan.
Why yes, Reagan was quite the liberal
I guess neoliberalism is...neoconservatism? :?he's doing as well as can be expected of a president in such hard times.
would you of said this about Bush? Nope, because a rational person would at least understand why its a good idea to put people into important position based on competency and experience.. And not cronism.. Which Bush was guilty for in numerous positions, where the adminstration chose based on loyalty over all else.[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"] Yeah, we should only use techniques described in the military FIELD manuals are a great guide to interrogation, and why did he close gitmo instead of just fixing stopping torture. Releasing those prisoners, THAT IS DANGEROUS. The Taliban commander in southern Afghanistan was released from Guantanamo, and that is just the start if most of the prisoners are released. This is change, but not progress.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/03/the_talibans_surge_c.php
Jacobistheman
That article just proves to me that Obama was correct in pointing out how GWB (and the cons) took their eye off A-Stan. And thus, the Taliban were able to regain strength in the country. :)
First of all, hindsight is always 20/20. Second of all, the libs took their eyes off of A-stan also, AND THEY WERE IN CHARGE. Third, this debate has nothing to do with taking eyes off of Afghanistan, it is about releasing terrorist from prison.:lol: you're right, they were.
The Republicans controlled Congress and the presidency from the start of the Iraq war to 2006, but the Democrats were definitely in charge. Yeah, that makes sense :roll:.
He's doing better than any of you would. :)The_VersatileNon-sense! :P I'd have this country up and running in better-than-ever condition in mere weeks!
[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"] Yeah, we should only use techniques described in the military FIELD manuals are a great guide to interrogation, and why did he close gitmo instead of just fixing stopping torture. Releasing those prisoners, THAT IS DANGEROUS. The Taliban commander in southern Afghanistan was released from Guantanamo, and that is just the start if most of the prisoners are released. This is change, but not progress.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/03/the_talibans_surge_c.php
Jacobistheman
That article just proves to me that Obama was correct in pointing out how GWB (and the cons) took their eye off A-Stan. And thus, the Taliban were able to regain strength in the country. :)
First of all, hindsight is always 20/20. Second of all, the libs took their eyes off of A-stan also, AND THEY WERE IN CHARGE. Third, this debate has nothing to do with taking eyes off of Afghanistan, it is about releasing terrorist from prison. Uhh, dude, the president is commander-in-chief of the armed forces. You can't blame congress for military strategy.[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"] Yeah, we should only use techniques described in the military FIELD manuals are a great guide to interrogation, and why did he close gitmo instead of just fixing stopping torture. Releasing those prisoners, THAT IS DANGEROUS. The Taliban commander in southern Afghanistan was released from Guantanamo, and that is just the start if most of the prisoners are released. This is change, but not progress.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/03/the_talibans_surge_c.php
Jacobistheman
That article just proves to me that Obama was correct in pointing out how GWB (and the cons) took their eye off A-Stan. And thus, the Taliban were able to regain strength in the country. :)
First of all, hindsight is always 20/20. Second of all, the libs took their eyes off of A-stan also, AND THEY WERE IN CHARGE. Third, this debate has nothing to do with taking eyes off of Afghanistan, it is about releasing terrorist from prison.Gotta love the revisionist history! :lol:
I'd love for you to explain how Dems were in charge of the A-Stan strategy.
I'll be waiting. :)
when it comes to the economy its somewhat premature to tell, but the housing market is doing a little better and the stocks are going up, not by much but its progressing, but its still premature. but i definetly agree with his stem cell support and im glad that the scientist who could be saving lives will get proper funding for stem cell research. and im especially glad that he is considering a crackdown on bush/cheneys involvment on the unnecessary toture at guantanamo bay. so i think he is doing a pretty good job. and one thing i wanna make clear. just because he wants to make peace with european countriews DOESNT MAKE HIM A SOCIALIST, so all you people who think so grow a brain and stop watching Faux News and watch more MSNBC. stop listening to Boss Limbaugh and listen to Alan Colmes.
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