How is God Most forgiving,Most loving???

I am a Muslim and I always read in the Quran that God is the Most merciful,Most forgiving,Most loving.My parents tell me that God loves you 10 times more than your own mother:? .It's a saying of Prophet Muhammad.

How is it then that I have to go through so many difficulties in my life?My mother would never even want the slightest pain to come in my life if it was under her control.How is God Most forgiving when so many people will apparantely go to Hell?How is God Most caring when life is so unfair?Some people are born downright ugly with no way around it,some people are born with not enough money to feed themselves.

im catholic and i got scolded by my mom and priest for askin the same thing...ended up praying for an hour and lost faith in the process :(tiger35010

I don't see how Allah CAN'T be the most loving and forgiving god since he's the ONLY god in the Islamic religion. :P

You can't have good without bad... If everything in the world was perfect and happy, what would be the point of going to heaven? You have to earn the right to get there.. well_wicked4578

[QUOTE="well_wicked4578"]You can't have good without bad... If everything in the world was perfect and happy, what would be the point of going to heaven? You have to earn the right to get there.. ithilgore2006

Because you can kill with kindness.. Look at all the spoiled rich kids in the world.. Their parents love them a lot, and provide them with everything.. They have the easiest life, they are never hungry and they can have anything they want.. But so many of them are depressed or just cause trouble for no reason.. People who go through hardship usually turn out to be better people in the end..

He's like any other self righteous conceited person---it's all about me, love me or go to HELL. :)feryl06

So if you had a party.....the entire world could show up? Even those who despise you? Seems a bit simplistic your explanation does.

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]

[QUOTE="well_wicked4578"]You can't have good without bad... If everything in the world was perfect and happy, what would be the point of going to heaven? You have to earn the right to get there.. well_wicked4578

Because you can kill with kindness.. Look at all the spoiled rich kids in the world.. Their parents love them a lot, and provide them with everything.. They have the easiest life, they are never hungry and they can have anything they want.. But so many of them are depressed or just cause trouble for no reason.. People who go through hardship usually turn out to be better people in the end..

That's called bad parenting.

It's still the child's fault if he/she acts like a delinquent, either way. You can be a nice child raised in a rich family or you could be a hateful little spite raised in a poor family as well.

You can't have good without bad...well_wicked4578

Why not?

If everything in the world was perfect and happy, what would be the point of going to heaven?well_wicked4578

You have to earn the right to get there.. well_wicked4578

Doesn't justify all the evil in the world. And have you considered the unfairness that some people's 'tests' are harder than others'?

[QUOTE="well_wicked4578"]You can't have good without bad...Funky_Llama

Why not?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="well_wicked4578"]You can't have good without bad...LJS9502_basic

Why not?

God is omnipotent... he could make it so that evil is not necessary for good to exist.

God is omnipotent... he could make it so that evil is not necessary for good to exist.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

God is omnipotent... he could make it so that evil is not necessary for good to exist.

LJS9502_basic

1. So God isn't omnipotent then?

2. There was no evil in the Garden of Eden, but there was still good.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

God is omnipotent... he could make it so that evil is not necessary for good to exist.

Funky_Llama

1. So God isn't omnipotent then?

2. There was no evil in the Garden of Eden, but there was still good.

2. Then explain how the temptation to sin came about if evil wasn't present.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

God is omnipotent... he could make it so that evil is not necessary for good to exist.

LJS9502_basic

1. So God isn't omnipotent then?

2. There was no evil in the Garden of Eden, but there was still good.

2. Then explain how the temptation to sin came about if evil wasn't present.

1. Look, is God omnipotent or not?

2. Oh yeah. Hmm... I'd thought it was supposed to be perfect.

1. Look, is God omnipotent or not?

2. Oh yeah. Hmm... I'd thought it was supposed to be perfect.

Funky_Llama

2. Humans are not now and never were perfect. Free will you know.;)

I am a Muslim and I always read in the Quran that God is the Most merciful,Most forgiving,Most loving.My parents tell me that God loves you 10 times more than your own mother:? .It's a saying of Prophet Muhammad.

How is it then that I have to go through so many difficulties in my life?My mother would never even want the slightest pain to come in my life if it was under her control.How is God Most forgiving when so many people will apparantely go to Hell?How is God Most caring when life is so unfair?Some people are born downright ugly with no way around it,some people are born with not enough money to feed themselves.

Hitman_887

because god wants you to grow up and be mature.

he is forgiving to those who ask for it and not to those who break his rules without repenting

these are the people who end up working hard to be great one day

as for the rest of it i have to say I'm not god so i dont actually know the answers

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]

[QUOTE="well_wicked4578"]You can't have good without bad... If everything in the world was perfect and happy, what would be the point of going to heaven? You have to earn the right to get there.. well_wicked4578

Because you can kill with kindness.. Look at all the spoiled rich kids in the world.. Their parents love them a lot, and provide them with everything.. They have the easiest life, they are never hungry and they can have anything they want.. But so many of them are depressed or just cause trouble for no reason.. People who go through hardship usually turn out to be better people in the end..

What I imagine your parents are trying to tell you is that your god will work in your life if you work in your life. I am an agnostic but I think that people can get in touch with themselves and in tunr get in touch with there faith. It doesn't have to be faith in a religion. Every morning I sit and think for about 30 minutes about my day and my deeds and I go, How can I live a better life? How can I be a good role model for people who take advantage of those not as strrong?

I don't pray to jesus or to Muhammed or to Buddha. I pray to myself and what I have discovered is that you gain a much clearer conscious when you do this.

I dont understand, Prophet Muhammad went through far more difficulties than you and you are questioning if God is most forgiving? Life is a test, it consists of difficulties, and there are people half way across the world who are far worse difficulties then many of us in the forum. At end of the day, why should god pay attention to some likes of anyone around here as they deny or question their faith, or hell, dont nothing to spread the word of their faith?

Seems logical to me :|

People have been asking this for thousands of yearsxaos

If there was no evil, what would be the point of heaven?

[QUOTE="xaos"]People have been asking this for thousands of yearsRazMaTaz-1

If there was no evil, what would be the point of heaven?

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

[QUOTE="xaos"]People have been asking this for thousands of yearsxaos

If there was no evil, what would be the point of heaven?

where did i even say that? If natural and moral evil didnt exist, we could pretty much say earth is more or less a heaven. no harm or evil corrupting society, however, this isnt the case. You think everyone was born just for the fun to enjoy life, or does life actually have a purpose? I dont think we exist just for the sake of getting education, having sex, have kids, have a job and *thud*, i think theres alot more to life, hence, where religion fits in.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

1. Look, is God omnipotent or not?

2. Oh yeah. Hmm... I'd thought it was supposed to be perfect.

LJS9502_basic

2. Humans are not now and never were perfect. Free will you know.;)

1. *sigh* just answer the question, please.

2. Free will can't explain all suffering, and besides, I'd like to think that God would have had the sense to make it so that it was human nature to be good.

I am a Muslim and I always read in the Quran that God is the Most merciful,Most forgiving,Most loving.My parents tell me that God loves you 10 times more than your own mother:? .It's a saying of Prophet Muhammad.

How is it then that I have to go through so many difficulties in my life?My mother would never even want the slightest pain to come in my life if it was under her control.How is God Most forgiving when so many people will apparantely go to Hell?How is God Most caring when life is so unfair?Some people are born downright ugly with no way around it,some people are born with not enough money to feed themselves.

Hitman_887

I used to be a muslim and i pondered the very same questions you did. The religion was so ingrained in me that i couldn't believe for one second that it could be false. I think its a poison but its also a source of hope but ultimately its a lie. I will tell you this if God is good, then he will never send anyone to hell. Dont let anyone trick you into answering your questions with false logic. They tell you God is testing you or God sends people to hell because he is just. You only need to look inside your heart to answer these questions.

I have the answer for you. I may not be able to answer well, I'm just 15 so I don't really know myself, but I'll try. :) God loves us, hence he gave us the opportunity of life. Life is unfair and terrible at times, but we must strive to see these problems as tests or ways to improve. To be selfless, and focus less on material pleasures in life. Many people grieve over how they are "ugly", or have some physical imperfection. Shouldn't we strive for an everlasting beauty, opposing to a beauty that must die? God cares for us to give us the opportunities we have in life. Why should this material life ever be so fair? Why does it really matter how many millions of dollars one has? Are you going to take this money with you when you die? People are not born with money, they must use their free will and intellect. Human beings were the only creatures with the power of intellect. We can make our own choices for ourselves and become educated to a high degree and so on. If a person does not show love for others, help others, etc, that would be like living the life of an animal. For example, a horse left in the wild will only try to survive, eat, sleep, and reproduce. but with a human riding the horse, the human can use the power of intellect and teach the horse to do great things. We have the power of free will, and we must use it to help the world, help the hungry, and so on. In this way, humanity will learn how to be civilized and loving to one another. You do not go to hell, "Hell" is used as a word to describe your closeness to God. We will not suffer in the next world, it is out of the human mind's reach to comprehend it. Nobody will go to "hell", it is just an example in my opinion. There is not a devil with horns and such. When one is about to die, they think of all the good things that have passed them. There can't be suffering in a non materialistic world, we will not be as "people" with bodies and faces and such. God's love is at such a high degree, it is hard to explain. A mother, or any human being, can show each other powerful love. But this love is more to a degree of this material world, such as if you have a companion or a person to take care of you and feed you. A quote I like is "Love me that I may love thee. If you lovest Me not, My love can in no wise reach thee." As in we must strive day by day to be kind for one another, and in this, we are becoming happier people. Even though there will be times of struggle, we have to be so selfless to not be so stressed over the materialistic issues in life. I don't know if I explained this well, even I'm learning day by day. 8)

[QUOTE="Hitman_887"]

I am a Muslim and I always read in the Quran that God is the Most merciful,Most forgiving,Most loving.My parents tell me that God loves you 10 times more than your own mother:? .It's a saying of Prophet Muhammad.

How is it then that I have to go through so many difficulties in my life?My mother would never even want the slightest pain to come in my life if it was under her control.How is God Most forgiving when so many people will apparantely go to Hell?How is God Most caring when life is so unfair?Some people are born downright ugly with no way around it,some people are born with not enough money to feed themselves.

armen925

I used to be a muslim and i pondered the very same questions you did. The religion was so ingrained in me that i couldn't believe for one second that it could be false. I think its a poison but its also a source of hope but ultimately its a lie. I will tell you this if God is good, then he will never send anyone to hell. Dont let anyone trick you into answering your questions with false logic. They tell you God is testing you or God sends people to hell because he is just. You only need to look inside your heart to answer these questions.

[QUOTE="Hitman_887"]

I am a Muslim and I always read in the Quran that God is the Most merciful,Most forgiving,Most loving.My parents tell me that God loves you 10 times more than your own mother:? .It's a saying of Prophet Muhammad.

How is it then that I have to go through so many difficulties in my life?My mother would never even want the slightest pain to come in my life if it was under her control.How is God Most forgiving when so many people will apparantely go to Hell?How is God Most caring when life is so unfair?Some people are born downright ugly with no way around it,some people are born with not enough money to feed themselves.

armen925

I used to be a muslim and i pondered the very same questions you did. The religion was so ingrained in me that i couldn't believe for one second that it could be false. I think its a poison but its also a source of hope but ultimately its a lie. I will tell you this if God is good, then he will never send anyone to hell. Dont let anyone trick you into answering your questions with false logic. They tell you God is testing you or God sends people to hell because he is just. You only need to look inside your heart to answer these questions.

So if a person disbelieves god, hates god, blames god for things that didnt even do, God wont punish him/her? Wow, you are delusional lol

1. *sigh* just answer the question, please.

2. Free will can't explain all suffering, and besides, I'd like to think that God would have had the sense to make it so that it was human nature to be good.

Funky_Llama

1. *sigh x 2* Nope I'm sticking to the topic.

2. Then free will would not exist and as for suffering....it's part of being human. Humans are not superheroes. We aren't indestructible.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

1. *sigh* just answer the question, please.

2. Free will can't explain all suffering, and besides, I'd like to think that God would have had the sense to make it so that it was human nature to be good.

LJS9502_basic

1. *sigh x 2* Nope I'm sticking to the topic.

2. Then free will would not exist and as for suffering....it's part of being human. Humans are not superheroes. We aren't indestructible.

1. It's relevant, because, if you remember...

God is omnipotent... he could make it so that evil is not necessary for good to exist, right?

Funky_Llama

2. I don't see how suffering is necessary to be humans. I suppose Adam and Eve weren't human before Original Sin, then.

[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Hitman_887"]

I am a Muslim and I always read in the Quran that God is the Most merciful,Most forgiving,Most loving.My parents tell me that God loves you 10 times more than your own mother:? .It's a saying of Prophet Muhammad.

How is it then that I have to go through so many difficulties in my life?My mother would never even want the slightest pain to come in my life if it was under her control.How is God Most forgiving when so many people will apparantely go to Hell?How is God Most caring when life is so unfair?Some people are born downright ugly with no way around it,some people are born with not enough money to feed themselves.

RazMaTaz-1

I used to be a muslim and i pondered the very same questions you did. The religion was so ingrained in me that i couldn't believe for one second that it could be false. I think its a poison but its also a source of hope but ultimately its a lie. I will tell you this if God is good, then he will never send anyone to hell. Dont let anyone trick you into answering your questions with false logic. They tell you God is testing you or God sends people to hell because he is just. You only need to look inside your heart to answer these questions.

So if a person disbelieves god, hates god, blames god for things that didnt even do, God wont punish him/her? Wow, you are delusional lol

I hardly think inflicting eternal suffering on someone simply for not worshipping him would be fair of God.

[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Hitman_887"]

I am a Muslim and I always read in the Quran that God is the Most merciful,Most forgiving,Most loving.My parents tell me that God loves you 10 times more than your own mother:? .It's a saying of Prophet Muhammad.

How is it then that I have to go through so many difficulties in my life?My mother would never even want the slightest pain to come in my life if it was under her control.How is God Most forgiving when so many people will apparantely go to Hell?How is God Most caring when life is so unfair?Some people are born downright ugly with no way around it,some people are born with not enough money to feed themselves.

Jester070

I used to be a muslim and i pondered the very same questions you did. The religion was so ingrained in me that i couldn't believe for one second that it could be false. I think its a poison but its also a source of hope but ultimately its a lie. I will tell you this if God is good, then he will never send anyone to hell. Dont let anyone trick you into answering your questions with false logic. They tell you God is testing you or God sends people to hell because he is just. You only need to look inside your heart to answer these questions.

I am 18. why were you curious was it something i said.:P

Why should this material life ever be so fair?

amirbrandon

If defending an idea forces you to resort to make an argument like 'what's so great about fairness anyway', there's a problem there. ;)

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]

[QUOTE="well_wicked4578"]You can't have good without bad... If everything in the world was perfect and happy, what would be the point of going to heaven? You have to earn the right to get there.. well_wicked4578

Because you can kill with kindness.. Look at all the spoiled rich kids in the world.. Their parents love them a lot, and provide them with everything.. They have the easiest life, they are never hungry and they can have anything they want.. But so many of them are depressed or just cause trouble for no reason.. People who go through hardship usually turn out to be better people in the end..

if god is all powerful and created us then he could just change that, why create us like that in the first place?

[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Hitman_887"]

I am a Muslim and I always read in the Quran that God is the Most merciful,Most forgiving,Most loving.My parents tell me that God loves you 10 times more than your own mother:? .It's a saying of Prophet Muhammad.

How is it then that I have to go through so many difficulties in my life?My mother would never even want the slightest pain to come in my life if it was under her control.How is God Most forgiving when so many people will apparantely go to Hell?How is God Most caring when life is so unfair?Some people are born downright ugly with no way around it,some people are born with not enough money to feed themselves.

RazMaTaz-1

I used to be a muslim and i pondered the very same questions you did. The religion was so ingrained in me that i couldn't believe for one second that it could be false. I think its a poison but its also a source of hope but ultimately its a lie. I will tell you this if God is good, then he will never send anyone to hell. Dont let anyone trick you into answering your questions with false logic. They tell you God is testing you or God sends people to hell because he is just. You only need to look inside your heart to answer these questions.

So if a person disbelieves god, hates god, blames god for things that didnt even do, God wont punish him/her? Wow, you are delusional lol

My friend you are delusional not me. If a person disbelieves in you, hates you, blames you for things that you didn't do, you won't punish him/her?

I know you would put them in hell yes? Imagine, you living in heaven and your mother is in hell, because she sinned her whole life. This is the reality of the situation but you just dont understand.

1. It's relevant, because, if you remember...

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

God is omnipotent... he could make it so that evil is not necessary for good to exist, right?Funky_Llama

2. I don't see how suffering is necessary to be humans. I suppose Adam and Eve weren't human before Original Sin, then.

1. No....it's still not relevant because as I stated omnipotency has nothing to do with definitions. You can't have one extreme without the other. It's impossible.

2. Before the first of mankind sinned? And? They were put on earth in a human condition. I'm dealing with humans as we know them.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

1. It's relevant, because, if you remember...

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

God is omnipotent... he could make it so that evil is not necessary for good to exist, right?LJS9502_basic

2. I don't see how suffering is necessary to be humans. I suppose Adam and Eve weren't human before Original Sin, then.

1. No....it's still not relevant because as I stated omnipotency has nothing to do with definitions. You can't have one extreme without the other. It's impossible.

2. Before the first of mankind sinned? And? They were put on earth in a human condition. I'm dealing with humans as we know them.

1. And that contradicts omnipotence. If God is omnipotent, he could make it so that you can have good without evil. If that is indeed impossible for God, he's not omnipotent. So your solution to the problem of evil (that you can't have good without evil), and the concept of an omnipotent God, are mutually exclusive. And since you do believe in an omnipotent God, your solution to the problem of evil cannot, therefore, be correct.

2. What kind of a counterargument is that? They were humans, and they had not suffered, therefore suffering is not necessary to be human.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

1. It's relevant, because, if you remember...

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

God is omnipotent... he could make it so that evil is not necessary for good to exist, right?Funky_Llama

2. I don't see how suffering is necessary to be humans. I suppose Adam and Eve weren't human before Original Sin, then.

1. No....it's still not relevant because as I stated omnipotency has nothing to do with definitions. You can't have one extreme without the other. It's impossible.

2. Before the first of mankind sinned? And? They were put on earth in a human condition. I'm dealing with humans as we know them.

1. And that contradicts omnipotence. If God is omnipotent, he could make it so that you can have good without evil. If that is indeed impossible for God, he's not omnipotent. So your solution to the problem of evil (that you can't have good without evil), and the concept of an omnipotent God, are mutually exclusive. And since you do believe in an omnipotent God, your solution to the problem of evil cannot, therefore, be correct.

2. What kind of a counterargument is that? They were humans, and they had not suffered, therefore suffering is not necessary to be human.

Were they human? Can your prove that?