How you know you really know music

"Boomer!" Vomits all over WrongHandLane, then a horde of zombies come rushing out of nowhere to beat him up.

Sorry about that, it keeps happening every known and then. I've always wondered, if my favorite band became even more succesful and started getting more air play on Sky or Digital or whatever, does that mean i'm suddenly a tool?

Evil_Saluki

Whenever I turn on the radio I hear Master of Puppets and One on the normal KISS 107FM Rock station. Metallica is a quite mainstream and extemely popular band.

Hot-Tamale

Yep. they are part of every hard rock station. I don't remember if it was always like this but they are now part of the AC/DC, Motley Crue, Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith group that will be playing on your rock station. that's not a problem of course.

[QUOTE="WrongHandLane"][QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]What a great way to prove you're "anti-commercial:" by admitting to liking the single BIGGEST sell-outs to commercialism.

Thanks for posting... the door is that way. ^^^

Hot-Tamale

Nearly 4,000 posts on a forum and you still can't tell sarcasm when you read it? I hope you didn't already tell your mother how you 'Pwned that kid on Gamespot!'

so you were kidding?

[QUOTE="Evil_Saluki"]

"Boomer!" Vomits all over WrongHandLane, then a horde of zombies come rushing out of nowhere to beat him up.

Sorry about that, it keeps happening every known and then. I've always wondered, if my favorite band became even more succesful and started getting more air play on Sky or Digital or whatever, does that mean i'm suddenly a tool?

Sajedene

"Boomer!" Vomits all over WrongHandLane, then a horde of zombies come rushing out of nowhere to beat him up.

Sorry about that, it keeps happening every known and then. I've always wondered, if my favorite band became even more succesful and started getting more air play on Sky or Digital or whatever, does that mean i'm suddenly a tool?

The way I and many other people who take music seriously probably see it, you don't truly know music if you judge an artist by his songs. If you've ever said "Yeah I like them, I have like 4 of their songs on my iPod", you don't really know music. If you see music as entertainment rather than art, you're a tool. And chances are if you listen to the radio and/or MTV, you're a toolx2. Thanks for letting me bash you!

Spellaaaang

WrongHandLane

I can admit that not all mainstream artists are trash and not all of the listeners are tools. Because though I don't listen to many big label artists, Modest Mouse happens to be one of my favorite bands. So I was wrong on that, bash me for it haha. But as for the rest I stand by. If you listen to an artist's hits, you're never gonna feel the music. It's like swimming in a bath tub....With no tub stopper....And the shower head running. WrongHandLane

[QUOTE="WrongHandLane"]I can admit that not all mainstream artists are trash and not all of the listeners are tools. Because though I don't listen to many big label artists, Modest Mouse happens to be one of my favorite bands. So I was wrong on that, bash me for it haha. But as for the rest I stand by. If you listen to an artist's hits, you're never gonna feel the music. It's like swimming in a bath tub....With no tub stopper....And the shower head running. Sajedene

To be honest with you I discover bands by going to shows and seeing other acts or checking them out on another band's Last.FM page. Of course you start by listening to a single song but I don't need the Top 40 to tell me what's good.

Now that we've established who's "cool" and all... :roll:

TC: You're as wrong as you can get.

Music isn't entirely about "art." I'm not going to pay good money for a CD unless it appeals to me on both the artistic and entertainment levels. It would be like buying a math textbook for "casual" reading: sure, math has an "artistic" value (see: phi) but it would bore the casual reader to tears.

Not only that, but the idea that a band is "only good" if they never get signed to a big label is terrible. The indie scene has many awful bands... just like the major labels. The only difference is how much the band gets paid at the end of the day.

As to the "only a few songs = tool" bit: what if they're the only songs worth listening to? I have Machine Head's entire catalog on CD, but I refuse to put the entire "Burning Red" or "Supercharger" disc on my mp3 player, simply because there are only a couple of songs worth listening to more than once on each disc.

I can understand the concept album argument to a point. Not every artist/band makes them, and not every album by those that do record them are concept albums.

Arrogant... elitist... I'm not going there. You could have made your point a lot less negatively, even if I disagree with it.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="WrongHandLane"]I can admit that not all mainstream artists are trash and not all of the listeners are tools. Because though I don't listen to many big label artists, Modest Mouse happens to be one of my favorite bands. So I was wrong on that, bash me for it haha. But as for the rest I stand by. If you listen to an artist's hits, you're never gonna feel the music. It's like swimming in a bath tub....With no tub stopper....And the shower head running. WrongHandLane

To be honest with you I discover bands by going to shows and seeing other acts or checking them out on another band's Last.FM page. Of course you start by listening to a single song but I don't need the Top 40 to tell me what's good.

[QUOTE="WrongHandLane"]I can admit that not all mainstream artists are trash and not all of the listeners are tools. Because though I don't listen to many big label artists, Modest Mouse happens to be one of my favorite bands. So I was wrong on that, bash me for it haha. But as for the rest I stand by. If you listen to an artist's hits, you're never gonna feel the music. It's like swimming in a bath tub....With no tub stopper....And the shower head running. Sajedene

[QUOTE="WrongHandLane"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] Might I ask... how is it do you discover bands that you like? Does it not involve listening to "their hits"? Or is there some other process here.... like going to some random pub with no name bands, closing your eyes and picking up the garage burned CD's they have on sale and then taking it home to "feel the music". And cut the sarcasm on this one. We already know you're bad at it. Sajedene

To be honest with you I discover bands by going to shows and seeing other acts or checking them out on another band's Last.FM page. Of course you start by listening to a single song but I don't need the Top 40 to tell me what's good.

Now that we've established who's "cool" and all... :roll:

TC: You're as wrong as you can get.

Music isn't entirely about "art." I'm not going to pay good money for a CD unless it appeals to me on both the artistic and entertainment levels. It would be like buying a math textbook for "casual" reading: sure, math has an "artistic" value (see: phi) but it would bore the casual reader to tears.

Not only that, but the idea that a band is "only good" if they never get signed to a big label is terrible. The indie scene has many awful bands... just like the major labels. The only difference is how much the band gets paid at the end of the day.

As to the "only a few songs = tool" bit: what if they're the only songs worth listening to? I have Machine Head's entire catalog on CD, but I refuse to put the entire "Burning Red" or "Supercharger" disc on my mp3 player, simply because there are only a couple of songs worth listening to more than once on each disc.

I can understand the concept album argument to a point. Not every artist/band makes them, and not every album by those that do record them are concept albums.

Arrogant... elitist... I'm not going there. You could have made your point a lot less negatively, even if I disagree with it.

OrkHammer007

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="WrongHandLane"]I can admit that not all mainstream artists are trash and not all of the listeners are tools. Because though I don't listen to many big label artists, Modest Mouse happens to be one of my favorite bands. So I was wrong on that, bash me for it haha. But as for the rest I stand by. If you listen to an artist's hits, you're never gonna feel the music. It's like swimming in a bath tub....With no tub stopper....And the shower head running. Lockedge

That is awesome. I have a diverse taste in music and always felt kind of sad for the people who limited themselves to one genre. There are plenty of great music to be explored in different genres.

I was originally exposed to the golden oldies thanks to my dad, and from there, branched out to similar sounds -- and the desire to learn a specific instrument made me check out bands and artists who were known in utilizing said instruments.

And yes, sometimes I just hear a song, like it a lot and want to hear it more... learn about the artist, listen to their other songs, and move on from there.

Finding and appreciating music is not science nor is it universal. But the appreciation of music for what it is -- art AND entertainment -- is.

lolololol. I've yet to see them. The big guy that plays Bass I think, how big is he really in person? HahaWrongHandLane

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="WrongHandLane"]

To be honest with you I discover bands by going to shows and seeing other acts or checking them out on another band's Last.FM page. Of course you start by listening to a single song but I don't need the Top 40 to tell me what's good.

Lockedge

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] OH! So you do listen to their hits... okay. That is all I needed to know.Sajedene

Not really. That's not a universally accepted tradition.

[QUOTE="WrongHandLane"]lolololol. I've yet to see them. The big guy that plays Bass I think, how big is he really in person? Hahawrlyy

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] Might I ask... how is it do you discover bands that you like? Does it not involve listening to "their hits"? Or is there some other process here.... like going to some random pub with no name bands, closing your eyes and picking up the garage burned CD's they have on sale and then taking it home to "feel the music". And cut the sarcasm on this one. We already know you're bad at it. Sajedene

That is awesome. I have a diverse taste in music and always felt kind of sad for the people who limited themselves to one genre. There are plenty of great music to be explored in different genres.

I was originally exposed to the golden oldies thanks to my dad, and from there, branched out to similar sounds -- and the desire to learn a specific instrument made me check out bands and artists who were known in utilizing said instruments.

And yes, sometimes I just hear a song, like it a lot and want to hear it more... learn about the artist, listen to their other songs, and move on from there.

Finding and appreciating music is not science nor is it universal. But the appreciation of music for what it is -- art AND entertainment -- is.

And with that, I'm out for the night. 4:08 AM is going to hurt tomorrow morning. D:Lockedge

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Lockedge"] Hits are subjective, because many smaller-scope bands don't have hits. For instance, many smaller bands preview full-albums on Last.fm, such as the band did with their debut album "Deathconsciousness"(wonderful album, by the way, my second favourite from 2008).WrongHandLane

Not really. That's not a universally accepted tradition.

Sajedene, just ignore him and his thread. :PCitrus25

[QUOTE="WrongHandLane"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] Well -- hits in regards to band music would be any song that the populous of their listeners like compared to others. So a band that debuts/previews their album on a medium such as last.fm does not have a hit YET -- but they are making one (or two or make the whole album a hit -- which is more than possible) as they play their music -- and we as listeners find the songs relate-able and entertaining. Sajedene

Not really. That's not a universally accepted tradition.

I like metal, so i'm automatically better than everyone else. I can define what is and isn't music because I am all knowing. If anyone disagrees with me they're wrong, period.Bloodbath_87

The way I and many other people who take music seriously probably see it, you don't truly know music if you judge an artist by his songs. If you've ever said "Yeah I like them, I have like 4 of their songs on my iPod", you don't really know music. If you see music as entertainment rather than art, you're a tool. And chances are if you listen to the radio and/or MTV, you're a toolx2. Thanks for letting me bash you!

Spellaaaang

WrongHandLane

Saying people who don't listen to albums are tools is jsut a really tool thing to say. The word your looking for by the way is a concept album yet this is a really specific them in albums such as A Piece of strange by Cunninlynquists for example. Albums may hav concepts or themes but arent always true concept albums and can be enjoyed listening to them in a disjointed fashion. From most of your posts it seems like you listen to an album in order all the time and never skip through to say a favorite song? If you happen to dislike a song on an album or aren't in the mood to listen to it you are a tool if you skip it because you dont listen to the whole album?

Also you mentioned modest mouse is one of your favorite bands. You must think they are tools because they openly stated with the new album "We were dead before the ship sank" that they wanted mainstream sucess and money for all their hard work. Do you ever listen to the song Dashboard? because it was quite high in the charts for a while. i guess not. you must understand that by using a general statement for such a vast creative field that is music you have so many things go against the grain of your arguments. Now i could go on a point out more problems with your argument but i'll leave it at that.

So what you're saying is we shouldn't be entertained by music? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose?supermike6

I wasn't as clear in my initial post so let me clarify. The quote I made was mocking someone who probably listens to something like Lil Wayne or the All-American Rejects. You might see this rant from a different view because maybe you do listen to major ecord labels. But if you did listen to smaller Independent labels and unsigned bands, you'd see my point better. There is a difference between art and entertainement, and a lot of people don't know the differenceWrongHandLane

K.

So what was the point of this topic?

K.

So what was the point of this topic?

ithilgore2006

I don't know. He's basically saying we'e stupid because we listen to music and enjoy it, when he analysis every song he listens to instead of actually listening to it. Confusing I know.