Hypothetical situation: God doesnt exist...

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#1 Teenaged
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No I wouldnt do it.

I believe it was fortunate for humanity that Christianity existed.

Of course I cant know every possible outcomes but I believe the above.

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#2 super_mario_128
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No. What a ridiculous question. :|
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#3 LeGoofyGoober
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cool, another blasphemous religion thread

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#4 Darth-Caedus
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No, people would just come up with some other crazy relgion that everyone would follow anyway...
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#5 MrPraline
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This is a hypothetical situation? :P *runs*

Joke, anyway, of course not.

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#6 blingchu55
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no, i would never change anything using time travel, that would be stupid and irresponsable. Every single change I make could change the world for the better for the worse, and the risk isn't worth it

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#7 cyberdarkkid
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Not only would I be killing a person but who knows what I would be causing. what kind of question is this? :|
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#8 A_Mobile_Doll
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No, people would just come up with some other crazy relgion that everyone would follow anyway... Darth-Caedus

This.

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#9 clayron
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Did you think before you posted this?
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I don't believe in god nor aliens, only where i believe in is humans, doctors who save lifes, fireman who helps
its not god its us

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#11 SolidSnake35
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No... Either way, I'm not sure you can argue that it's possible to disprove God theoretically. If you ask me, there'd always be reason to believe in God... killing Jesus would be pointless.
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#12 clayron
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I don't believe in god nor aliens, only where i believe in is humans, doctors who save lifes, fireman who helps
its not god its us

BlackHawk340

What the hell are you talking about?

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#13 FFCYAN
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Jesus didn't invent religion.

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#14 clayron
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Jesus didn't invent religion.

FFCYAN
Yeah, he would need to go waaay back and kill Abram/Abraham if he was trying to snuff out Judaism/Christianity.
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#15 mindstorm
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Why is it so many seem completely oblivious to the fact that Christianity has actually done good things for humanity?
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#16 jazznate
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Well you could just go back any date past 6000 years ago and shut the creationists up first when you see reality still exists.

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#17 DarkGamer007
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Any form of time-travel is unethnical, it could and would create catostrophic events to occur in the future.

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Why is it so many seem completely oblivious to the fact that Christianity has actually done good things for humanity?mindstorm

This right here. If everyone were to have found out that uh...God didn't exist, who knows what mayhem there'd be. Maybe morality wouldn't even exist anymore...many would believe that there'd be no point in life.

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#20 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="BlackHawk340"]I don't believe in god nor aliens, only where i believe in is humans, doctors who save lifes, fireman who helps its not god its us

What the hell are you talking about?

Those firemen help, ok. Deal with it.

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Why is it so many seem completely oblivious to the fact that Christianity has actually done good things for humanity?magitekk

This right here. If everyone were to have found out that uh...God didn't exist, who knows what mayhem there'd be. Maybe morality wouldn't even exist anymore...many would believe that there'd be no point in life.

Uh...that's basically implying that atheists have no morality. Which is completely wrong. Also, how do you know that morals wouldn't exist without religion? I'm sure they would. Saying they wouldn't shows a complete lack of faith in humanity. I mean you might as well kill yourself.
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]No... Either way, I'm not sure you can argue that it's possible to disprove God theoretically. If you ask me, there'd always be reason to believe in God... killing Jesus would be pointless.Anonymous_2

Comon it's a hypothetical situation in which you know God doesnt exist, let's not get into the practicality of it...

And sure people may believe in God but without jesus there will be one huge "less" reason to believe in one...

Well I'm saying there'd always be a reason to believe in God. No matter what proof we try to imagine, people would always think of a reason to believe. That makes killing Jesus redundant; immoral on the basis that people would still be 'deluded' as you say.
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#24 Vandalvideo
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First you need to establish that this delusion is necessarily bad. Besides, scientists may be just as deluded.
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#25 cyberdarkkid
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Also I'm surprised that that anonymous account of yours hasn't been banned, since you always seem to be making topics that you know aren't going to end well.
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#26 shoot-first
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That is a really dumb question. :(

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#27 clayron
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="BlackHawk340"]I don't believe in god nor aliens, only where i believe in is humans, doctors who save lifes, fireman who helps its not god its us

What the hell are you talking about?

Those firemen help, ok. Deal with it.

How could I not know that the fireman helps :cry:
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Why is it so many seem completely oblivious to the fact that Christianity has actually done good things for humanity?Anonymous_2

Who said that?

We are talking about saving people from delusion and not saving the world from "bad things"...

Although you cant argue that if God really doesnt exist than christianity has done more harm to humanity than good...

Yes but the fact is, we are were we we are today because of Christianity for better or worse, changing that would cause the future to be radically different. For all you know we could be living under harsh dictator in a nuclear fallout wasteland. :|

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Why is it so many seem completely oblivious to the fact that Christianity has actually done good things for humanity?Anonymous_2

Who said that?

We are talking about saving people from delusion and not saving the world from "bad things"...

Although you cant argue that if God really doesnt exist than christianity has done more harm to humanity than good...

So then in order to stop people from being ignorant, you kill someone that tells everyone to love one another? If that's the case, then you need to learn some of Jesus' own philosophy about loving even your enemies. You don't stop a belief system by killing, you stop a belief system by finding out whether it is in accordance with truth.
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#30 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Why is it so many seem completely oblivious to the fact that Christianity has actually done good things for humanity?magitekk

This right here. If everyone were to have found out that uh...God didn't exist, who knows what mayhem there'd be. Maybe morality wouldn't even exist anymore...many would believe that there'd be no point in life.

Many morals could come from basic survival. Treat others as you'd like to be treated yourself, for example. While ever humans coexist, there'd be morals... they might not be entirely virtuous but I hardly think we'd be living in a state of total disrepair.
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#31 clayron
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[QUOTE="Anonymous_2"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Why is it so many seem completely oblivious to the fact that Christianity has actually done good things for humanity?DarkGamer007

Who said that?

We are talking about saving people from delusion and not saving the world from "bad things"...

Although you cant argue that if God really doesnt exist than christianity has done more harm to humanity than good...

Yes but the fact is, we are were we we are today because of Christianity for better or worse, changing that would cause the future to be radically different. For all you know we could be living under harsh dictator in a nuclear fallout wasteland. :|

I can not confirm nor deny that.

What I believe is that Jesus or not, God or not, bad and good things are going to happen.

People will just find different excuse for their behavior. Some people used Christianity as a means to support slavery...some use it as a means to save the world.

Basically, its the people, not the religion.

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[QUOTE="Anonymous_2"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Why is it so many seem completely oblivious to the fact that Christianity has actually done good things for humanity?DarkGamer007

Who said that?

We are talking about saving people from delusion and not saving the world from "bad things"...

Although you cant argue that if God really doesnt exist than christianity has done more harm to humanity than good...

Yes but the fact is, we are were we we are today because of Christianity for better or worse, changing that would cause the future to be radically different. For all you know we could be living under harsh dictator in a nuclear fallout wasteland. :|

Or we could be living in complete luxury, with no problems at all. The point is moot.
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#33 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

[QUOTE="Anonymous_2"]Who said that?

We are talking about saving people from delusion and not saving the world from "bad things"...

Although you cant argue that if God really doesnt exist than christianity has done more harm to humanity than good...

DrSponge

Yes but the fact is, we are were we we are today because of Christianity for better or worse, changing that would cause the future to be radically different. For all you know we could be living under harsh dictator in a nuclear fallout wasteland. :|

Or we could be living in complete luxury, with no problems at all. The point is moot.

Oh the joy of trying to figure out impossible hypothetical situations...
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[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

[QUOTE="Anonymous_2"]Who said that?

We are talking about saving people from delusion and not saving the world from "bad things"...

Although you cant argue that if God really doesnt exist than christianity has done more harm to humanity than good...

Yes but the fact is, we are were we we are today because of Christianity for better or worse, changing that would cause the future to be radically different. For all you know we could be living under harsh dictator in a nuclear fallout wasteland. :|

Or we could be living in complete luxury, with no problems at all. The point is moot.

No it isn't. The fate of humanity is at stake and you're calling it a 'moot' point?
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[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Yes but the fact is, we are were we we are today because of Christianity for better or worse, changing that would cause the future to be radically different. For all you know we could be living under harsh dictator in a nuclear fallout wasteland. :|

mindstorm

Or we could be living in complete luxury, with no problems at all. The point is moot.

Oh the joy of trying to figure out impossible hypothetical situations...

Such is the nature of GameSpot.

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#36 DrSponge
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[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Yes but the fact is, we are were we we are today because of Christianity for better or worse, changing that would cause the future to be radically different. For all you know we could be living under harsh dictator in a nuclear fallout wasteland. :|

super_mario_128

Or we could be living in complete luxury, with no problems at all. The point is moot.

No it isn't. The fate of humanity is at stake and you're calling it a 'moot' point?

Yes. Humanity can go **** itself :x

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Yes. Humanity can go **** itself :xDrSponge
Fair enough. -_-
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#38 Brainkiller05
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Perhaps I would, though that wouldn't stop all the other religions existing...
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Why is it so many seem completely oblivious to the fact that Christianity has actually done good things for humanity?magitekk

This right here. If everyone were to have found out that uh...God didn't exist, who knows what mayhem there'd be. Maybe morality wouldn't even exist anymore...many would believe that there'd be no point in life.

Only 19% of people in the Czech Republic believe in God, and it's a civilised country without problems with crime.
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]Only 19% of people in the Czech Republic believe in God, and it's a civilised country without problems with crime.Funky_Llama
We thinking of the same Czech Republic? The reason I didn't study in Prague is because of the massive ammounts of minor crime there. You may not get murdered, but you're going to get pickpocketed.
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Save people from being deluded? How about preventing the dark ages that dragged progress backwards for hundreds of years and cost countless lives, not forgetting all the people that have been oppressed (e.g homosexuals) as a result of that religions teachings.

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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]]Only 19% of people in the Czech Republic believe in God, and it's a civilised country without problems with crime.Vandalvideo
We thinking of the same Czech Republic? The reason I didn't study in Prague is because of the massive ammounts of minor crime there. You may not get murdered, but you're going to get pickpocketed.

Oh NOOOOOOOO!

Where's their morality!?!?!

>_>

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First you need to establish that this delusion is necessarily bad. Besides, scientists may be just as deluded.Vandalvideo
...in what sense may scientists be just as deluded?
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]First you need to establish that this delusion is necessarily bad. Besides, scientists may be just as deluded.MetalGear_Ninty
...in what sense may scientists be just as deluded?

You know...

...the Matrix styIe....

>_>

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#46 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][ ...in what sense may scientists be just as deluded?

I was watching the God Delusion in PHIL 490 the other day and we started discussing the merits of Science v. Religion. In many ways, Science isn't held to the same metaphysical standards as that of Religion. There was a philosopher who covered this, William Alston, who basically outlines this. The fact of the matter is that Science largerly relies on what may very well be just as shaky ground as that of religion. Metaphysically, you cannot necessarily say that what you feel, see, smell, hear, or elsewhise is necessarily so. Heck, you could go so far as to say that logic is ultimately flawed because the inputs are flawed. Religious perceptions are often held to higher standards of sensory perceptions, which are just as flawed.
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#47 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]So then in order to stop people from being ignorant, you kill someone that tells everyone to love one another? If that's the case, then you need to learn some of Jesus' own philosophy about loving even your enemies. You don't stop a belief system by killing, you stop a belief system by finding out whether it is in accordance with truth.Anonymous_2

Ya right asking homosexuals and adultorous women to be stoned is the way to go.:)

Since when did Jesus say that?
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]]Only 19% of people in the Czech Republic believe in God, and it's a civilised country without problems with crime.Vandalvideo
We thinking of the same Czech Republic? The reason I didn't study in Prague is because of the massive ammounts of minor crime there. You may not get murdered, but you're going to get pickpocketed.

Meh. The point is that it's pretty much a godless country which, even if it does have petty crime issues, is far from the nihilist dystopia the other guy was imagining. :/
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[QUOTE="Anonymous_2"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]So then in order to stop people from being ignorant, you kill someone that tells everyone to love one another? If that's the case, then you need to learn some of Jesus' own philosophy about loving even your enemies. You don't stop a belief system by killing, you stop a belief system by finding out whether it is in accordance with truth.mindstorm

Ya right asking homosexuals and adultorous women to be stoned is the way to go.:)

Since when did Jesus say that?

Jesus didn't, god did....which I guess if you believe in the holy trinity.............jesus did.