I am sorry but I will just have to say my opinion on the psychology of drug use

[QUOTE="pis3rch"]

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

I don't want to, and I don't see how I'm not "enjoying life" by not doing drugs.

lyeti

When someone says that, it doesn't literally mean that without drugs life is some bleak, miserable existence. It just means that you only get one life, and there are substances available that allow you to feel certain sensations that you would otherwise never experience, so one may feel inclined to take advantages of those substances to feel those different highs. We're both enjoyling life just fine, the difference is that sometimes I like to look at things through a different lens, so to speak. Not beacuse I am trying to escape, but because it's something different, something fun.

[QUOTE="R0cky_Racc00n"]

That's not necessarily the reason all the time, maybe sometimes. I've experimented with psychedelics a few times after researching its effects and they happened to be the most significant spiritual experiences of my life. You really can't understand life and reality until you go through a drug trip, I think at least. Not saying it's necessary or trying to inspire anyone to do it, but it has been a worthwhile experience for me. for alcohol, it's simply a tool to help you have fun. What's more fun than being around a few friends drunk, talking to girls, and forgetting about life's worries for a night?

Stanley09

I've only tried them on a few occassions, maybe 5 times in total. Each trip is different and sometimes not pleasant at all and just scary. But even the scary ones have been worthwhile.

[QUOTE="StripTheSoul"]

Maybe they just like being able to fully experience all the colours and senses of the world around them?

Famiking

I apologise that some people can't help but find these wondrous things in their normal state of mind.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="pis3rch"] Ugh..."feel amazing" doesn't mean that drugs make you some super-optimist with a smile plastered to their face. A high is physical sensation, a "feeling" that you WILL NOT EXPERIENCE without the use of a drug. It's sort of like an orgasm, only it comes in different...flavors. Getting high on any drug is WAY more than just a mood lift, but if you've never experienced it you just won't understand. JN_Fenrir

With it comes the risk of addiction...is it really worth it..:|?

Had you read the other post i was referring to drugs in general..

Do you use drugs by any chance..?

You don't have to answer..i'm just curious..

[QUOTE="pis3rch"]

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

I don't want to, and I don't see how I'm not "enjoying life" by not doing drugs.

lyeti

When someone says that, it doesn't literally mean that without drugs life is some bleak, miserable existence. It just means that you only get one life, and there are substances available that allow you to feel certain sensations that you would otherwise never experience, so one may feel inclined to take advantages of those substances to feel those different highs. We're both enjoyling life just fine, the difference is that sometimes I like to look at things through a different lens, so to speak. Not beacuse I am trying to escape, but because it's something different, something fun.

And for the record i would LOVE to have your idea of modern-day opium dens. Imagine a merge between a taxi company and a drug store: You come in, pay for the drugs you want (up to a certain amount so that people don't OD), use them is a safe and controlled environment, and then have a driver take you home. Everyone who went would have to have an ID of some kind, and there could be a universal system for dens to keep track of how often customers are using what.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="pis3rch"] Ugh..."feel amazing" doesn't mean that drugs make you some super-optimist with a smile plastered to their face. A high is physical sensation, a "feeling" that you WILL NOT EXPERIENCE without the use of a drug. It's sort of like an orgasm, only it comes in different...flavors. Getting high on any drug is WAY more than just a mood lift, but if you've never experienced it you just won't understand. Stanley09

With it comes the risk of addiction...is it really worth it..:|?

I think people do drugs for a number of reasons:

- They aren't happy with their current state of life

-Preer Pressure

-Emotional Issues

There are more i'm sure..i just can't think of them :x..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I got a reason for you:

because its fun, makes you feel good, and has zero negatives effects.

I just had six belgian beers at 9% alcohol tonigfht, and while I might have a bit of difficulty typing and spelling at the moment, I am waking up at six am to go fishing.

Outside of the 1000 calories I just just consumed, I'd say the side effects are not bad.

Alcohol is tasty, makes tyou feel good, and damn it all to hell its fun to drink with people. Period.

Do you or I need to drink? No, of course not. But we dont need toilets or restaurants either, but we have 'em! So there you go

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I think people do drugs for a number of reasons:

- They aren't happy with their current state of life

-Preer Pressure

-Emotional Issues

There are more i'm sure..i just can't think of them :x..

mrbojangles25

I got a reason for you:

because its fun, makes you feel good, and has zero negatives effects.

I just had six belgian beers at 9% alcohol tonigfht, and while I might have a bit of difficulty typing and spelling at the moment, I am waking up at six am to go fishing.

Outside of the 1000 calories I just just consumed, I'd say the side effects are not bad.

Alcohol is tasty, makes tyou feel good, and damn it all to hell its fun to drink with people. Period.

Do you or I need to drink? No, of course not. But we dont need toilets or restaurants either, but we have 'em! So there you go

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I think people do drugs for a number of reasons:

- They aren't happy with their current state of life

-Preer Pressure

-Emotional Issues

There are more i'm sure..i just can't think of them :x..

mrbojangles25

I got a reason for you:

because its fun, makes you feel good, and has zero negatives effects.

I just had six belgian beers at 9% alcohol tonigfht, and while I might have a bit of difficulty typing and spelling at the moment, I am waking up at six am to go fishing.

Outside of the 1000 calories I just just consumed, I'd say the side effects are not bad.

Alcohol is tasty, makes tyou feel good, and damn it all to hell its fun to drink with people. Period.

Do you or I need to drink? No, of course not. But we dont need toilets or restaurants either, but we have 'em! So there you go

:o..i was really just talking about drugs :P..specifically the ones with side effects...like crystal meth and such..the ones that i saw ruin someones life...

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I think people do drugs for a number of reasons:

- They aren't happy with their current state of life

-Preer Pressure

-Emotional Issues

There are more i'm sure..i just can't think of them :x..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I got a reason for you:

because its fun, makes you feel good, and has zero negatives effects.

I just had six belgian beers at 9% alcohol tonigfht, and while I might have a bit of difficulty typing and spelling at the moment, I am waking up at six am to go fishing.

Outside of the 1000 calories I just just consumed, I'd say the side effects are not bad.

Alcohol is tasty, makes tyou feel good, and damn it all to hell its fun to drink with people. Period.

Do you or I need to drink? No, of course not. But we dont need toilets or restaurants either, but we have 'em! So there you go

:o..i was really just talking about drugs :P..specifically the ones with side effects...like crystal meth and such..the ones that i saw ruin someones life...

yea I will agree with you concering crystal meth. Ive yet to hear of any positive examples of that drug. Its pure evil as far as I am concerned; I know a few people that have used it "in a pinch" simply because nothing else was available, and even then they were not the same people for about a week after. Its nearly instantly addictvie, like crack, but what can you expect from a manufactured drug

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I think people do drugs for a number of reasons:

- They aren't happy with their current state of life

-Preer Pressure

-Emotional Issues

There are more i'm sure..i just can't think of them :x..

EMOEVOLUTION

I got a reason for you:

because its fun, makes you feel good, and has zero negatives effects.

I just had six belgian beers at 9% alcohol tonigfht, and while I might have a bit of difficulty typing and spelling at the moment, I am waking up at six am to go fishing.

Outside of the 1000 calories I just just consumed, I'd say the side effects are not bad.

Alcohol is tasty, makes tyou feel good, and damn it all to hell its fun to drink with people. Period.

Do you or I need to drink? No, of course not. But we dont need toilets or restaurants either, but we have 'em! So there you go

I could not agree more, EMO, and frankly I enjoy this new attitude of yours :D compared to the old "drinkign is bad" 'tude you sported :P

The last thing I want to do is force someone to drink. While I might encourage people to try it out, I would never pressure someone into consuming somethign they did not want to drink.

And yea...people that drink because "its cool" are stupid. I drink becauseI like the art and the taste behind alcoholic beverages. The buzz you get is merely a perk.

hunger is a weakness. fatigue is a weakness. everytime you eat food or sleep just admit you are weak.

yes, humans have weaknesses. whats your point?

hunger is a weakness. fatigue is a weakness. everytime you eat food or sleep just admit you are weak.

yes, humans have weaknesses. whats your point?

yucky_straw

well, from the conservatives point of view, you need sleep and food to live...you do not need drugs to live.

[QUOTE="yucky_straw"]

hunger is a weakness. fatigue is a weakness. everytime you eat food or sleep just admit you are weak.

yes, humans have weaknesses. whats your point?

mrbojangles25

well, from the conservatives point of view, you need sleep and food to live...you do not need drugs to live.

In some cases you do.

I explained what the purpose of this thread was and what I actually meant in page 4 or 5:|

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="yucky_straw"]

hunger is a weakness. fatigue is a weakness. everytime you eat food or sleep just admit you are weak.

yes, humans have weaknesses. whats your point?

loft8000

well, from the conservatives point of view, you need sleep and food to live...you do not need drugs to live.

In some cases you do.

to function? sure, I agree. Essentially 90% of my friends in high school had ADD for some odd reason (lol in hindsight), and they definately benefited from ridilin.

but to live? not necessarily. Granted a lot of people would die earlier without medication (which, technically, are drugs), but to function...no, people generaally dont need drugs

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I think people do drugs for a number of reasons:

- They aren't happy with their current state of life

-Preer Pressure

-Emotional Issues

There are more i'm sure..i just can't think of them :x..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I got a reason for you:

because its fun, makes you feel good, and has zero negatives effects.

I just had six belgian beers at 9% alcohol tonigfht, and while I might have a bit of difficulty typing and spelling at the moment, I am waking up at six am to go fishing.

Outside of the 1000 calories I just just consumed, I'd say the side effects are not bad.

Alcohol is tasty, makes tyou feel good, and damn it all to hell its fun to drink with people. Period.

Do you or I need to drink? No, of course not. But we dont need toilets or restaurants either, but we have 'em! So there you go

:o..i was really just talking about drugs :P..specifically the ones with side effects...like crystal meth and such..the ones that i saw ruin someones life...

/ragestroke....ALCOHOL IS A DRUG. alcohol is a hard drug. In the UK, the top drug advisor for their equivalent of the NIDA (i think it's called the ACMD or something) came out and confessed that cannabis, MDMA, LSD, shrooms, and many other drugs that the average person would perceive as dangerous are in fact less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. They fired him, and there was an uproar. I'm pretty sure his successor said the same things, but played it a bit safer to keep his new job. Those scientists are not some druggies on the internet, arguing about legalization so that they can get their fix more easily. Professor David Nutt, along with the six or more scientists that resigned upon his termination, were concerned only with the scientific truths, and the fact that those truths were being ignored for the sake of politics and propaganda. So don't go around assuming that alcohol isn't a drug, or that anything "illegal" is automatically 100x more deadly and horrible for you. The facts are on the side of most illegal drugs, with the key word being most (i'll admit that meth is just disgusting and virtually impossible to defend/justify)

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I got a reason for you:

because its fun, makes you feel good, and has zero negatives effects.

I just had six belgian beers at 9% alcohol tonigfht, and while I might have a bit of difficulty typing and spelling at the moment, I am waking up at six am to go fishing.

Outside of the 1000 calories I just just consumed, I'd say the side effects are not bad.

Alcohol is tasty, makes tyou feel good, and damn it all to hell its fun to drink with people. Period.

Do you or I need to drink? No, of course not. But we dont need toilets or restaurants either, but we have 'em! So there you go

:o..i was really just talking about drugs :P..specifically the ones with side effects...like crystal meth and such..the ones that i saw ruin someones life...

/ragestroke....ALCOHOL IS A DRUG. alcohol is a hard drug. In the UK, the top drug advisor for their equivalent of the NIDA (i think it's called the ACMD or something) came out and confessed that cannabis, MDMA, LSD, shrooms, and many other drugs that the average person would perceive as dangerous are in fact less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. They fired him, and there was an uproar. I'm pretty sure his successor said the same things, but played it a bit safer to keep his new job. Those scientists are not some druggies on the internet, arguing about legalization so that they can get their fix more easily. Professor David Nutt, along with the six or more scientists that resigned upon his termination, were concerned only with the scientific truths, and the fact that those truths were being ignored for the sake of politics and propaganda. So don't go around assuming that alcohol isn't a drug, or that anything "illegal" is automatically 100x more deadly and horrible for you. The facts are on the side of most illegal drugs, with the key word being most (i'll admit that meth is just disgusting and virtually impossible to defend/justify)

i've gone through years in my life where i've been completely sober, and i've gone through periods in my life where i like to indulge a bit in either alcohol /marijuana / caffeine..., and through all of these time periods in my life i've had very close friends, kept jobs for very long periods of time, talked in front of audiences for work purposes, have kept my wife very happy and fulfilled...i would say that my usage of substances or non-usage of substances has never really changed me or helped medicate myself. i choose inside to do what i want, but it doesn't change the person who i am and the responsibilities that i have. i do not find myself drinking more when i need to stand before 120 ppl at a large company function to help take the edge off. in fact i choose to drink a little less or not at all before having to give a speech so that my words aren't slurred...but even when i do drink a few before i give a speech or perform a task it's not to make the task easier. this may not hold true for all ppl because some are dependant, but luckily this isn't the case for me.

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I got a reason for you:

because its fun, makes you feel good, and has zero negatives effects.

I just had six belgian beers at 9% alcohol tonigfht, and while I might have a bit of difficulty typing and spelling at the moment, I am waking up at six am to go fishing.

Outside of the 1000 calories I just just consumed, I'd say the side effects are not bad.

Alcohol is tasty, makes tyou feel good, and damn it all to hell its fun to drink with people. Period.

Do you or I need to drink? No, of course not. But we dont need toilets or restaurants either, but we have 'em! So there you go

mrbojangles25

I could not agree more, EMO, and frankly I enjoy this new attitude of yours :D compared to the old "drinkign is bad" 'tude you sported :P

The last thing I want to do is force someone to drink. While I might encourage people to try it out, I would never pressure someone into consuming somethign they did not want to drink.

And yea...people that drink because "its cool" are stupid. I drink becauseI like the art and the taste behind alcoholic beverages. The buzz you get is merely a perk.

its surprising how close minded some of u guys r. ppl do it cuz its fun, cuz they may have outgoing personalities and like to try new things, cuz they like to relax, it could be whatever. doesnt mean their weak. and the ppl who get addicted get addicted cuz they have addictive personality traits and behaviour. im not saying its the greatest thing ever and u should try it cuz its kool and ur a puss if u dont. if u wanna do it then do it, if u dont then dont. dont be sayn its the greatest thing in the world and everyone should do it and at the same time dont be talkin to me like im a crackhead thats ruining his life cuz i hit up a couple of blunts, drink and party with my friends every once in a while.

people don't do drugs because they need it to relax, they just feel relaxed when they do drugs. ;D

I don't take Tylenol for headaches, because I like to be a man and deal with them!JustPlainLucas

I don't take Tylenol for headaches, because I like to be a man and deal with them!JustPlainLucas

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I don't take Tylenol for headaches, because I like to be a man and deal with them!Famiking

I'll do whatever i want to my body. People do drugs to enjoy the effects of them, not because there feeling suicidal or depressed.

Nah I do psychidelics because they are awesome, but keep thinking that.

I think they are for bettering the weaknesses you haven't bothered dealing with. Drinking a couple of beers in the club or at a party to lower your self-consciousness or fear of embarassment is like admitting you aren't strong or psychologically well developed enough to do it themselves. People who need caffeine in the morning rely on the coffe to get them awake, people who need to get some drugs like mariyuana to relax or calm down are saying they can't do it themselves.

But I am not saying this is bad, I mean medicines are drugs and if we didn't take them a lot would die. But it is still an admission of weakness whether you like it or not. Also it sometimes says that you can't be bothered to work on your own flaws but would rather, say get a bit drunk, to become more sociable instead of trying to work out why you are socially awkward.

lyeti

WHat about the spiritual sense of drug use? Take some ayahuaska and you'll know better about yourself than decades of therapy. Among many others examples....Truth is, GOD wants us to use naturall drugs. Thats why he created them, that is why we are born with a big dose of DMT, so you could at least, get drugged once before you die

SO, you think God is weak now?