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#1 SaintTheKing
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You say there is no God. But what if there is? You're taking a big chance by saying there is no God.

What if when you die you find out there is a God? Now you burn in Hell for all eternity!!!

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#2 KG86
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You say there is no God. But what if there is? You're taking a big chance by saying there is no God.

What if when you die you find out there is a God? Now you burn in Hell for all eternity!!!

SaintTheKing

What if it is the other way round, you're getting your hopes up for nothing.

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#3 eo12601
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...Think about it. Why would a benevolent god make a good person burn in hell for all eternity, along with rapists, mass murderers, serial killers, etc, all because I didn't believe in him?

Besides, if you believe in god out of fear...well...you better hope he doesn't exist, else I'll see you in hell.

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#4 Whicker89
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oh really, If god wouldnt forgive you for living a good life and just not believing in him. Thats a sucky god.
Being athiest does not equal being a bad person.
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#5 bman784
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And what if Judeo-Christian God doesn't exist and the Greek gods are really the deities of creation? Zeus is going to be pretty ticked at you. That's a bit of a pointless question given the plethora of religions that have ever existed, each one being no more based in reality than the last.
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#6 SSCyborg
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Tonight.

WE DINE IN HELL!

Besides, we'll become numb to the pain after a few thousand years.

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#7 deactivated-5e97585ea928c
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So your saying we should beleive in god "just in case"? Wouldnt that send us to hell anyway?
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#8 Tylendal
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As I've always said. I avoid fights, I hesitate to crush bugs, and I try to mediate in all situations. But if God would send me to Hell just because I feel my time is better spent doing things supported by fact and proof, then I fail to see how Satan could be any worse than God.
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#9 pintabear49blue
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I think hell may be fun. i heard thet they have all sorts of cool carnival rides and cool people to hang out with.
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#10 foxhound_fox
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If "God" actually existed, I would think that all theistic religions on the planet would share the same description of this metaphysical being.
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#11 CptJSparrow
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You are taking a big chance in not believing in Zeus. "We are all atheists with respect to most of the gods humans have worshiped; some of us just go one god further." ~ Richard Dawkins
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#12 SSCyborg
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I think hell may be fun. i heard thet they have all sorts of cool carnival rides and cool people to hang out with.pintabear49blue

I personally would like to learn all about Hitler and what exactly was going on in his mind.

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#13 Hewkii
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and if hinduism is correct you'd be reincarnated as a hagfish for that comment.
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#14 eo12601
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You are taking a big chance in not believing in Zeus. "We are all atheists with respect to most of the gods humans have worshiped; some of us just go one god further." ~ Richard DawkinsCptJSparrow

That's an awesome quote!

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#15 JML897
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Since you've been to hell and know what it's like "down there", enlighten me.
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#16 Tylendal
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]You are taking a big chance in not believing in Zeus. "We are all atheists with respect to most of the gods humans have worshiped; some of us just go one god further." ~ Richard Dawkinseo12601

That's an awesome quote!

Of course it's an awesome quote, it's an awesome book. "The God Delusion" Richard Dawkins is like the Micheal Moore of religion.

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#17 AnotherKill
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Yes we'll go to hell for not believing in something there's no evidence exists. We should all just believe in this God without questions. I'll believe God exists once he comes down to earth and has a nice chat with us.
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#18 Rikusaki
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One of the major reasons that I am athiest is because people can tell you that you will burn in hell because you said something against the bible.

I think it's wrong and I have the right to believe what I want.

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#19 Frattracide
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[QUOTE="eo12601"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]You are taking a big chance in not believing in Zeus. "We are all atheists with respect to most of the gods humans have worshiped; some of us just go one god further." ~ Richard DawkinsTylendal

That's an awesome quote!

Of course it's an awesome quote, it's an awesome book. "The God Delusion" Richard Dawkins is like the Micheal Moore of religion.

So hes a liar and a fraud? That's not a very nice thing to say. . .

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#20 SSCyborg
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One of the major reasons that I am athiest is because people can tell you that you will burn in hell because you said something against the bible.

I think it's wrong and I have the right to believe what I want.

Rikusaki

You know if the Jews or Muslims are right, they'll burn in hell as well.

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#21 DarkKar
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Here's my juice. I found this out a little while ago under the beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I THOUGHT that their beliefs of plural marriage was under the safety net of some sort of menage a trois equivalent. Turns out, they can be such devout christians that they open the circle of their marriage to others in that deepening of love for Christ. What a pretty penny that is.
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#22 quiglythegreat
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I'm taking a big chance that there isn't an anvil about to fall on my head too, right?
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#23 Rikusaki
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

One of the major reasons that I am athiest is because people can tell you that you will burn in hell because you said something against the bible.

I think it's wrong and I have the right to believe what I want.

SSCyborg

You know if the Jews or Muslims are right, they'll burn in hell as well.

Yeah, exactly.

There are so many religions that conflict with eachother, it's ridiculous.

I think I will be athiest, thank you very much. :)

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#24 firebird23
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As long as you put it that way, I better start believing in Santa Claus. Who knows how many presents I've missed out on by not believing in him.
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#25 Frattracide
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As long as you put it that way, I better start believing in Santa Claus. Who knows how many presents I've missed out on by not believing in him.firebird23

Hmmm. That would explain all the coal in my socks. . .

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#26 SSCyborg
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As long as you put it that way, I better start believing in Santa Claus. Who knows how many presents I've missed out on by not believing in him.firebird23

He's.... not real?:cry:

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#27 SmashBrosLegend
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I like to think that I've led a virtuous life. If that's not enough and God turns out to be real, then I'll go to hell.
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I'll take my chances =\
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#29 firebird23
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[QUOTE="firebird23"]As long as you put it that way, I better start believing in Santa Claus. Who knows how many presents I've missed out on by not believing in him.SSCyborg

He's.... not real?:cry:

I'm sorry I had to be the one to break it to you, buddy. You'll reach acceptance soon. It'll all be alright.
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#30 notconspiracy
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pascals wager is not a valid argument. Richard Dawkins completely dismantles this argument in his book The God Delusion. There are 2 problems with this line of argument.

the 1st problem is that this assumes that your god is the only god which exists if any gods do indeed exist

the second problem is that you're promoting the judeo-christian God which by definition is omniscient. You cannot choose to believe something and if you said you did, then God with his omniscience will be able to see past your deception. I could sware on top of a stack of bibles and say that I believe every word written within these texts, but not truly believe it, and because I do not truly believe this religion, then I will still be suffer shame forever in Hell.

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#31 quiglythegreat
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I like to think that I've led a virtuous life. If that's not enough and God turns out to be real, then I'll go to hell.SmashBrosLegend
Only a very specific type of God would send people to hell for not believing in Him.
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#32 lycrof
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Hail Satan!
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#33 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I like to think that I've led a virtuous life. If that's not enough and God turns out to be real, then I'll go to hell.quiglythegreat
Only a very specific type of God would send people to hell for not believing in Him.

The reason God sends people to hell is because they have not believed in the saving grace of his son's blood. The reason this is a prerequisite for entering God's Kingdom is that because we humans are sinful, we need to have our sins cleansed. God cannot allow sin into his perfect kingdom. The only way to cleanse your sins is by accepting the saving grace of our Lord Jesus the Christ
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#34 quiglythegreat
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I like to think that I've led a virtuous life. If that's not enough and God turns out to be real, then I'll go to hell.notconspiracy
Only a very specific type of God would send people to hell for not believing in Him.

The reason God sends people to hell is because they have not believed in the saving grace of his son's blood. The reason this is a prerequisite for entering God's Kingdom is that because we humans are sinful, we need to have our sins cleansed. God cannot allow sin into his perfect kingdom. The only way to cleanse your sins is by accepting the saving grace of our Lord Jesus the Christ

Like I said, only a very specific kind of God punishs people for not believing in Him.
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I like to think that I've led a virtuous life. If that's not enough and God turns out to be real, then I'll go to hell.notconspiracy
Only a very specific type of God would send people to hell for not believing in Him.

The reason God sends people to hell is because they have not believed in the saving grace of his son's blood. The reason this is a prerequisite for entering God's Kingdom is that because we humans are sinful, we need to have our sins cleansed. God cannot allow sin into his perfect kingdom. The only way to cleanse your sins is by accepting the saving grace of our Lord Jesus the Christ

And why are we sinful exactly?

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#36 SSCyborg
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I like to think that I've led a virtuous life. If that's not enough and God turns out to be real, then I'll go to hell.Tylendal

Only a very specific type of God would send people to hell for not believing in Him.

The reason God sends people to hell is because they have not believed in the saving grace of his son's blood. The reason this is a prerequisite for entering God's Kingdom is that because we humans are sinful, we need to have our sins cleansed. God cannot allow sin into his perfect kingdom. The only way to cleanse your sins is by accepting the saving grace of our Lord Jesus the Christ

And why are we sinful exactly?

Because some girl listened to a talking snake and ate an apple.

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#37 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I like to think that I've led a virtuous life. If that's not enough and God turns out to be real, then I'll go to hell.Tylendal

Only a very specific type of God would send people to hell for not believing in Him.

The reason God sends people to hell is because they have not believed in the saving grace of his son's blood. The reason this is a prerequisite for entering God's Kingdom is that because we humans are sinful, we need to have our sins cleansed. God cannot allow sin into his perfect kingdom. The only way to cleanse your sins is by accepting the saving grace of our Lord Jesus the Christ

And why are we sinful exactly?

because we have at some point in our lives been less than perfect.
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#38 Frattracide
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]I like to think that I've led a virtuous life. If that's not enough and God turns out to be real, then I'll go to hell.SSCyborg

Only a very specific type of God would send people to hell for not believing in Him.

The reason God sends people to hell is because they have not believed in the saving grace of his son's blood. The reason this is a prerequisite for entering God's Kingdom is that because we humans are sinful, we need to have our sins cleansed. God cannot allow sin into his perfect kingdom. The only way to cleanse your sins is by accepting the saving grace of our Lord Jesus the Christ

And why are we sinful exactly?

Because some girl listened to a talking snake and ate an apple.

Yeah, and the snake got off with a colloquial "slap on the wrist" lame.

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#39 quiglythegreat
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because we have at some point in our lives been less than perfect. notconspiracy
That's not necessarily true depending upon one's definition of perfection, and even if it is, it seems a rather weak reason to send someone to eternal suffering.
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#40 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"] because we have at some point in our lives been less than perfect. quiglythegreat
That's not necessarily true depending upon one's definition of perfection, and even if it is, it seems a rather weak reason to send someone to eternal suffering.

okay.

we have at some point in our lives fallen below God's standard of perfection. therefore we are sinful, and thus cannot be allowed into God's perfect kingdom because we are sinful.

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First off, though I'm not a religious person, I'm pretty sure your god doesn't want you believing out of fear. Second, what makes you more right than any other religion that's ever existed? In reality you take a big chance with Zeus and the Asian gods by not believing in them. I just choose not to follow anything, and if there is one, ah well, I was wrong, but I'm a good, honest person who does a lot of charity, so if he's up there, let's hope he's forgiving.

I mean, I wouldn't feel insulted if someone said I don't exist, I'd just think that their reaction is kind of funny when it turns out I do.

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#42 quiglythegreat
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"] because we have at some point in our lives been less than perfect. notconspiracy

That's not necessarily true depending upon one's definition of perfection, and even if it is, it seems a rather weak reason to send someone to eternal suffering.

okay.

we have at some point in our lives fallen below God's standard of perfection. therefore we are sinful, and thus cannot be allowed into God's perfect kingdom because we are sinful.

bull. Only God is perfect, and only then because we call him God. A lack of perfection is absolutely no reason to punish anyone.
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#43 notconspiracy
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First off, though I'm not a religious person, I'm pretty sure your god doesn't want you believing out of fear. Second, what makes you more right than any other religion that's ever existed? In reality you take a big chance with Zeus and the Asian gods by not believing in them. I just choose not to follow anything, and if there is one, ah well, I was wrong, but I'm a good, honest person who does a lot of charity, so if he's up there, let's hope he's forgiving.

I mean, I wouldn't feel insulted if someone said I don't exist, I'd just think that their reaction is kind of funny when it turns out I do.

AlternatingCaps

LOL @ christians who say atheists dont exist

and *facepalm @ christians who say that atheists dont exist*

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Nooooooo! I thought the religion threads were done with!? -______- Stop it.
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#45 DerkaDerkaJihad
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Yeah, exactly.

There are so many religions that conflict with eachother, it's ridiculous.

I think I will be athiest, thank you very much. :)

Rikusaki

This is the main reason that I consider myself to be agnostic. Basically I'm an atheist, but deeming myself as "agnostic" makes it a little easier on my family since they're all extremely religious. I have brought this up countless times that there are so many religions out there, how can they be 100% positive that theirs is the right one?

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#46 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"] because we have at some point in our lives been less than perfect. quiglythegreat

That's not necessarily true depending upon one's definition of perfection, and even if it is, it seems a rather weak reason to send someone to eternal suffering.

okay.

we have at some point in our lives fallen below God's standard of perfection. therefore we are sinful, and thus cannot be allowed into God's perfect kingdom because we are sinful.

bull. Only God is perfect, and only then because we call him God. A lack of perfection is absolutely no reason to punish anyone.

but it is a reason to not allow them into your perfect kingdom.

BTW, Hell isn't literal. the descriptions of it are standard 1st century Jewish metaphors for shame. Hell is a place of shame

second, if you want to be free of your sins, then you have to accept the saving grace of Jesus' blood shed on the cross

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"] because we have at some point in our lives been less than perfect. notconspiracy

That's not necessarily true depending upon one's definition of perfection, and even if it is, it seems a rather weak reason to send someone to eternal suffering.

okay.

we have at some point in our lives fallen below God's standard of perfection. therefore we are sinful, and thus cannot be allowed into God's perfect kingdom because we are sinful.

So, for not being perfect, we're doomed to eternal unimaginable torment? And even if we're not perfect, we can be perfected by people who supposedly do lead perfect lives. What of those priests who were molesting children. Is everyone who was absolved by them now doomed because they weren't really absolved. (I admit I don't know too much about the church (but I have been doing some research), so what I just said might be incredibly wrong, so sorry in advance if it is).

Also, are you telling us that you are in fact perfect?

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#48 quiglythegreat
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but it is a reason to not allow them into your perfect kingdom.

BTW, Hell isn't literal. the descriptions of it are standard 1st century Jewish metaphors for shame. Hell is a place of shame

second, if you want to be free of your sins, then you have to accept the saving grace of Jesus' blood shed on the cross

notconspiracy
How precisely could we be perfect? Perfection is 100% subjective.
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But when you ask God for forgiveness of any sins, God gives us a second chance to eveyone. Even if Hitler prayed to God before he died and he said "God , I know I've done terrible things, but will forgive me for the horrible things I've done?" God would forgive all his sins and he would be in Paradise right after he died.
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#50 SSCyborg
Member since 2007 • 7625 Posts

But when you ask God for forgiveness of any sins, God gives us a second chance to eveyone. Even if Hitler prayed to God before he died and he said "God , I know I've done terrible things, but will forgive me for the horrible things I've done?" God would forgive all his sins and he would be in Paradise right after he died.Squier-Fender

I see only one flaw. He commited suicide.