i just bought 15 pound dumbell for myself....

[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="dragonmaster64"]

how did i know that people where gonna talk how little 15 pounds are. well anyway its not that small if i find difficulty with it then it should help. you might think its so small because i usually work out with my upper body (except my biceps). i can do like 30 pushups which is pretty good for my age.

The_Mac_Daddy

30 push ups is pretty good for your age? What are you, eight?

If you look straight, and do good, all the way down pushups, then 30 in a row is not easy. I bet most of the population cannot do 30 in a row.

good and most of the population though are quite different, i think i can do about 20 on a good day but i'm not really in shape, i only started working out wwith pushups about a week ago and haven't done any physical exerction since i left my paper round about 6 months ago and when i did have it it was all i did

[QUOTE="North-North"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="dragonmaster64"]

how did i know that people where gonna talk how little 15 pounds are. well anyway its not that small if i find difficulty with it then it should help. you might think its so small because i usually work out with my upper body (except my biceps). i can do like 30 pushups which is pretty good for my age.

Super_Socialist

30 push ups is pretty good for your age? What are you, eight?

30 pushups is harder for some people than it is for other, its all about how much you weigh.

most people dont do pushups right in the first place

[QUOTE="North-North"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"][QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="dragonmaster64"]

how did i know that people where gonna talk how little 15 pounds are. well anyway its not that small if i find difficulty with it then it should help. you might think its so small because i usually work out with my upper body (except my biceps). i can do like 30 pushups which is pretty good for my age.

Super_Socialist

30 push ups is pretty good for your age? What are you, eight?

30 pushups is harder for some people than it is for other, its all about how much you weigh.

most people dont do pushups right in the first place

i dont think i do......but i can do like 2 or 3 lol.......i dont like them i just use weights all around

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

[QUOTE="kemar7856"]one 15pound dumbell is useless at least get the adjustable ones Hoobinator

Maybe it's not useless for him.

And even if he does out grow the 15 pound dumbbell, it should still come in handy when he's toning his mucles, and will probably want to focus on lots of light weight repetitive curls, especially as a come down after heavy lifting.

There is no such thing as "toning".

Toning as in shaping his muscles and building definition, rather than out and out nulk and size. Small, lightweight, repetitive curls help in this regard.

Like I said.. no such thing. Small, lightweight, repetitive curls will only give your biceps more endurance. It will not make them bigger or much stronger or anything like that. It will not build definition. The ONLY way to build definition is to get the layer of fat covering your muscles off of your muscles. You don't do this by high reps and low weight. You need to eat right and keep the fat down. You need to run to burn the fat off. You cannot burn the fat off locally. Meaning, doing tons of low weight curls will not just burn fat off of your arms. You can only burn fat off of your entire body as a whole.

So, there is no such thing as "toning".

You need to run to burn the fat off. The_Mac_Daddy

No. To build strength, you want low reps and heavy weight. But anyway, his 15 lb. dumbell isn't the point. It's the fact that 1 dumbell or even two dumbells is useless if it's not used as a supplement to other exercises. Doing curls will do absoluetly nothing if that is all you are going to do. He is better off doing bodyweight routines like crossfit.

The_Mac_Daddy

Eh, still not what I heard and I'll take the word of a body builder over some guy over the Internet anyday.

Btw, are you even aware of all the exercises you can do with one dumbbell? There's a lot more to dumbbells than curls...

[QUOTE="chester706"]Nautilusts, calestanics, stretching, and running are all better than lifting free weights. Also that 15 lb dumbell is goona do jack ****. Just do calestanics (ya thats splet wrong I know) and nautilists. Also run. Your solid then. Also before and after doing those exercises stretch. The_Mac_Daddy

For building muscle, nothing is better than free wieghts. Nothing.

It appears as though this thread has turned into a **** measuring contest, rather than offering him help. If I was in your position, TC, I would take that 15 pound dumbell and do slow reps, i'd try for about 20, then I would rest, and do 20 more... see how you feel the next day. Freebird8877

Wouldn't it be better to simply do bodyweight exercices for every muscle rather than sticking to a measly fifteen pound dumbbell? His little sister might have use for it, he shouldn't.

TC, fifteen pound dumbbell isn't going to help you. However many reps of whatever exercise you do with it, it's not going to help. All it will do is, well, improve a slight bit the first time you use it. After that it'll simply make you able to do more reps, and more, and more. You won't get stronger, at all.

Use your bodyweight, or get heavier dumbbells. Better yet, get a gym membership.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You need to run to burn the fat off. Vandalvideo

Fair enough. I didn't mean running was the only way to lose fat. I'm just making the point that low weight at high reps will not burn the fat off of your arms.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] If you run, it will burn lean tissue.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Freebird8877"]It appears as though this thread has turned into a **** measuring contest, rather than offering him help. If I was in your position, TC, I would take that 15 pound dumbell and do slow reps, i'd try for about 20, then I would rest, and do 20 more... see how you feel the next day. Vfanek

Wouldn't it be better to simply do bodyweight exercices for every muscle rather than sticking to a measly fifteen pound dumbbell? His little sister might have use for it, he shouldn't.

TC, fifteen pound dumbbell isn't going to help you. However many reps of whatever exercise you do with it, it's not going to help. All it will do is, well, improve a slight bit the first time you use it. After that it'll simply make you able to do more reps, and more, and more. You won't get stronger, at all.

Use your bodyweight, or get heavier dumbbells. Better yet, get a gym membership.

this is my recomendation, it's cheaper than the other options and as yhou get stronger you'll get heavier

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]

No. To build strength, you want low reps and heavy weight. But anyway, his 15 lb. dumbell isn't the point. It's the fact that 1 dumbell or even two dumbells is useless if it's not used as a supplement to other exercises. Doing curls will do absoluetly nothing if that is all you are going to do. He is better off doing bodyweight routines like crossfit.

Niff_T

Eh, still not what I heard and I'll take the word of a body builder over some guy over the Internet anyday.

Btw, are you even aware of all the exercises you can do with one dumbbell? There's a lot more to dumbbells than curls...

I'm aware of that. And you must have heard your bodybuilder wrong. Because you are not right. And I know there are more exercises to do with dumbells than curls. But dumbells are not for beginners anyway.

The people in this thread sadden me...

Where do you people get off telling this guy that 15lbs in nothing and that he's just wasting his time? Are you this guy? Didn't think so. Maybe he isn't some kind of human Adonis that can lift some ungodly amount of weight. Maybe he should be starting out small, besides, isn't a higher about of reps better than maxing out? That's what I heard in my weight lifting class.

Give this guy a break will ya? Maybe 15 is a good amount for him, let him decide.

Niff_T

finally some encouragment!

]Sure.... running is better compared to *walking*North-North

[QUOTE="Niff_T"]

The people in this thread sadden me...

Where do you people get off telling this guy that 15lbs in nothing and that he's just wasting his time? Are you this guy? Didn't think so. Maybe he isn't some kind of human Adonis that can lift some ungodly amount of weight. Maybe he should be starting out small, besides, isn't a higher about of reps better than maxing out? That's what I heard in my weight lifting class.

Give this guy a break will ya? Maybe 15 is a good amount for him, let him decide.

dragonmaster64

finally some encouragment!

I'm not trying to discourage you. I'm trying to steer you in the right direction so that you make the most out of whatever you are doing. Like I said, bodyweight exercises.

What I do now since I dont have as much time as I did in the summer is 20 push ups and 30 crunches every hour. I also run about a mile or two. Working well. chester706

That'll make you Arnold about the same time Starcraft: Ghost is released.

[QUOTE="Niff_T"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]

No. To build strength, you want low reps and heavy weight. But anyway, his 15 lb. dumbell isn't the point. It's the fact that 1 dumbell or even two dumbells is useless if it's not used as a supplement to other exercises. Doing curls will do absoluetly nothing if that is all you are going to do. He is better off doing bodyweight routines like crossfit.

The_Mac_Daddy

Eh, still not what I heard and I'll take the word of a body builder over some guy over the Internet anyday.

Btw, are you even aware of all the exercises you can do with one dumbbell? There's a lot more to dumbbells than curls...

I'm aware of that. And you must have heard your bodybuilder wrong. Because you are not right. And I know there are more exercises to do with dumbells than curls. But dumbells are not for beginners anyway.

Dumbbells work just fine for anyone of any level. Weak? Use a smaller weight, and the opposite for the strong of course. There is no reason not to use freeweights for a beginner, the only secret is knowing your limits.

But dumbells are not for beginners anyway.

The_Mac_Daddy

Really? That's news to me.

thats how much i usually use........i can use 20 but the only time i have acesses to a 20lbs is when i lift at schoolsenses_blank

finally, im not alone lol :P

[QUOTE="North-North"]]Sure.... running is better compared to *walking*Vandalvideo

:lol: What now?

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"] You need to run to burn the fat off. Vandalvideo

you also lose muscle doing that. which in turn can make you more likely to get fat again.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

[QUOTE="kemar7856"]one 15pound dumbell is useless at least get the adjustable ones The_Mac_Daddy

Maybe it's not useless for him.

And even if he does out grow the 15 pound dumbbell, it should still come in handy when he's toning his mucles, and will probably want to focus on lots of light weight repetitive curls, especially as a come down after heavy lifting.

There is no such thing as "toning".

Toning as in shaping his muscles and building definition, rather than out and out nulk and size. Small, lightweight, repetitive curls help in this regard.

Like I said.. no such thing. Small, lightweight, repetitive curls will only give your biceps more endurance. It will not make them bigger or much stronger or anything like that. It will not build definition.

Well then I must have been using some magic lightweight dumbbells, because from my own experiences, and one other user has already backed me on this, they do work. Small, lightweight, repetitive curls does build definition.

I do agree with you on the fat burning process, it's all part of a larger regimented exercise program, I was only focusing on the benefits of lightweight curls since everyone seemed to be putting them down and frankly saying they're a waste when they're quite clearly not.

Ive been working out for two years and gained 50-60 pounds of what I think is muscle and so here is my advice

It depends on what you want to do:

If you want to lose weight than the fifteen dumbell is a good start, but nothing is as good as either a tredmill or a bike or just longdistance running. What you want to do is do alot of reps (mean the number of full excercise motions /repetitions) with light weights and with little to no rest in between because your focus is to lose caleries. A verticle curl (a regular curl) is when your upper body is 90 degrees from the ground and you start with the dumbell in your hand relaxed (with your arm also 90 from the ground) and then while keeping your upper arm 90 from the ground as best you can, you lift the dumbell all the way up then you lower it (not drop it). Its pretty simple.

Since you are probably looking to gain muscle mass I have to say that if your lookin for a cheep excercise gym at home then I would suggest getting a quality bench (that can be set at multiple angles) and a dumbell set (from 15 lb to 100lb) or this

or just go to the Gym. If you choose to go to the gym my advice is pay absolutely no attention to others and do not be selfconcience; you are there to improve yourself and everyone started somewhere. When I first did the bench I could barely bench the bar (45lbs-pretty much less than a girl can do) but now Im doing close to 300lbs

There are three aspect to gaining muscle and they should all be considered in constructing your routine

Diet:

If you have a high metabolism like me (I lose weight just by standing still) then you need to up your calorie intake dramatically. Eat about 5 meals a day + your body weight in grams of protein and make sure you eat and drink water an hour before your workout and right after.

Sleep:

severly important. this is when your body makes muscle and heals internal injuries. YOu need atleast 8 hr (pref 9-10)

Excercise:

you should have an intence 5 day a week workout schedule and each workout should be from 45 min long to 1 hr and 1/2.

Workout should revolve around heavier weights. you want to do weight that you can only do 3 to 10 reps of. You want to do multiple sets starting low (the weight you can do ten of) do about 6-9 reps and then rest for a 2 min or less then increase weight and do a set and repeat for a total of 3-5 sets.

You want to focus on two muscle areas a day.

also you should look up what excercises workout what mucles.

Anyone who runs with weights deserves the knee surgery he is going to get a few months later.Vandalvideo

:lol: What now? Vfanek

[QUOTE="chester706"]What I do now since I dont have as much time as I did in the summer is 20 push ups and 30 crunches every hour. I also run about a mile or two. Working well. Vfanek

That'll make you Arnold about the same time Starcraft: Ghost is released.

[QUOTE="North-North"]]Sure.... running is better compared to *walking*Vandalvideo

I disagree. Working out at higher intensities may cause you to burn a lower percentage of fat, but since you burn more total calories, you still use more fat calories. If you're trying to lose weight and you have only 30 minutes to work out, you would burn fewer calories walking at a moderate pace compared to walking at a fast pace or running.

you also lose muscle doing that. which in turn can make you more likely to get fat again.Super_Socialist

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Anyone who runs with weights deserves the knee surgery he is going to get a few months later.BranKetra

You'll say something very different about running with weights in twenty years if you keep doing it.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

[QUOTE="kemar7856"]one 15pound dumbell is useless at least get the adjustable ones Hoobinator

Maybe it's not useless for him.

And even if he does out grow the 15 pound dumbbell, it should still come in handy when he's toning his mucles, and will probably want to focus on lots of light weight repetitive curls, especially as a come down after heavy lifting.

There is no such thing as "toning".

Toning as in shaping his muscles and building definition, rather than out and out nulk and size. Small, lightweight, repetitive curls help in this regard.

Like I said.. no such thing. Small, lightweight, repetitive curls will only give your biceps more endurance. It will not make them bigger or much stronger or anything like that. It will not build definition.

Well then I must have been using some magic lightweight dumbbells, because from my own experiences, and one other user has already backed me on this, they do work. Small, lightweight, repetitive curls does build definition.

I do agree with you on the fat burning process, it's all part of a larger regimented exercise program, I was only focusing on the benefits of lightweight curls since everyone seemed to be putting them down and frankly saying they're a waste when they're quite clearly not.

your right. toning excercises are much like endurance except that it can range into medium weight excercises.

I disagree. Working out at higher intensities may cause you to burn a lower percentage of fat, but since you burn more total calories, you still use more fat calories. If you're trying to lose weight and you have only 30 minutes to work out, you would burn fewer calories walking at a moderate pace compared to walking at a fast pace or running.The_Mac_Daddy

[QUOTE="chester706"]What I do now since I dont have as much time as I did in the summer is 20 push ups and 30 crunches every hour. I also run about a mile or two. Working well. Vfanek

That'll make you Arnold about the same time Starcraft: Ghost is released.

[QUOTE="Niff_T"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]

No. To build strength, you want low reps and heavy weight. But anyway, his 15 lb. dumbell isn't the point. It's the fact that 1 dumbell or even two dumbells is useless if it's not used as a supplement to other exercises. Doing curls will do absoluetly nothing if that is all you are going to do. He is better off doing bodyweight routines like crossfit.

The_Mac_Daddy

Eh, still not what I heard and I'll take the word of a body builder over some guy over the Internet anyday.

Btw, are you even aware of all the exercises you can do with one dumbbell? There's a lot more to dumbbells than curls...

I'm aware of that. And you must have heard your bodybuilder wrong. Because you are not right. And I know there are more exercises to do with dumbells than curls. But dumbells are not for beginners anyway.

Dumbbells work just fine for anyone of any level. Weak? Use a smaller weight, and the opposite for the strong of course. There is no reason not to use freeweights for a beginner, the only secret is knowing your limits.

dumbells are harder for beginners becuase most beginners have a hard time stabalizing the weight with one arm.. not to mention, one arm is usually stronger than the other. Beginners should train with a barbell first to get their strength up before they try dumbells.

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]you also lose muscle doing that. which in turn can make you more likely to get fat again.Vandalvideo

over doing cardio on an empty stomach builds up costisol which is catabolic to muscle. the best way to burn fat is weight lifting.

over doing cardio on an empty stomach builds up costisol which is catabolic to muscle. the best way to burn fat is weight lifting. Super_Socialist

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Anyone who runs with weights deserves the knee surgery he is going to get a few months later.Vfanek

You'll say something very different about running with weights in twenty years if you keep doing it.

I stretch before and after every workout and I train hard. If you slack, then you pay for it.

[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]over doing cardio on an empty stomach builds up costisol which is catabolic to muscle. the best way to burn fat is weight lifting. Vandalvideo

cortisol gets released when you workout and deplete your testosterone. warm ups dont do anything one way or another.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]

But dumbells are not for beginners anyway.

Niff_T

Really? That's news to me.

yea.. i'll post this again:

dumbells are harder for beginners becuase most beginners have a hard time stabalizing the weight with one arm.. not to mention, one arm is usually stronger than the other. Beginners should train with a barbell first to get their strength up before they try dumbells

[QUOTE="Vfanek"]:lol: What now? Vandalvideo

the best idea is quite obviously to get to that point where you get no tireder but are still constantly worn out, it's the best balance

cortisol gets released when you workout and deplete your testosterone. warm ups dont do anything one way or another. Super_Socialist

I stretch before and after every workout and I train hard. If you slack, then you pay for itBranKetra

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

[QUOTE="kemar7856"]one 15pound dumbell is useless at least get the adjustable ones anasbouzid

Maybe it's not useless for him.

And even if he does out grow the 15 pound dumbbell, it should still come in handy when he's toning his mucles, and will probably want to focus on lots of light weight repetitive curls, especially as a come down after heavy lifting.

There is no such thing as "toning".

Toning as in shaping his muscles and building definition, rather than out and out nulk and size. Small, lightweight, repetitive curls help in this regard.

Like I said.. no such thing. Small, lightweight, repetitive curls will only give your biceps more endurance. It will not make them bigger or much stronger or anything like that. It will not build definition.

Well then I must have been using some magic lightweight dumbbells, because from my own experiences, and one other user has already backed me on this, they do work. Small, lightweight, repetitive curls does build definition.

I do agree with you on the fat burning process, it's all part of a larger regimented exercise program, I was only focusing on the benefits of lightweight curls since everyone seemed to be putting them down and frankly saying they're a waste when they're quite clearly not.

your right. toning excercises are much like endurance except that it can range into medium weight excercises.

No, he is not right. Toning is only as good as the amount of fat you remove from your muscles. You can try and "tone" your abs by doing a million crunches all day all you want, but you will NOT see a difference until you wipe that fat away. And the only way to do that is to do cardio. Cardio is the most important factor of "toning".. or "cutting".

[QUOTE="Niff_T"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"]

But dumbells are not for beginners anyway.

The_Mac_Daddy

Really? That's news to me.

yea.. i'll post this again:

dumbells are harder for beginners becuase most beginners have a hard time stabalizing the weight with one arm.. not to mention, one arm is usually stronger than the other. Beginners should train with a barbell first to get their strength up before they try dumbells

makes sense to me atleast, i tried some weights at school about a year ago and even though my arm could lift them my wrists couldn't take the strain

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I stretch before and after every workout and I train hard. If you slack, then you pay for itVandalvideo

yea.. i'll post this again:

dumbells are harder for beginners becuase most beginners have a hard time stabalizing the weight with one arm.. not to mention, one arm is usually stronger than the other. Beginners should train with a barbell first to get their strength up before they try dumbells

The_Mac_Daddy

Hey, you didn't have to post it twice, I saw it the first time.:P

Anyway, thanks for elaborating on that, i was gonna ask why you say that, but you already answered my question.

No, he is not right. Toning is only as good as the amount of fat you remove from your muscles. You can try and "tone" your abs by doing a million crunches all day all you want, but you will NOT see a difference until you wipe that fat away. And the only way to do that is to do cardio. Cardio is the most important factor of "toning".. or "cutting".

The_Mac_Daddy

Benefits of light weight curls.

http://www.smasa.asn.au/smartplay/moves/peak_perform/light_weights/weightsfacts.html

• to increase or maintain muscle fitness & muscular balance
• to build confidence and self esteem
• to help condition and change body shape - decrease fat
• to help improve bone density (strengthen bones)
• please note you will not get big bulky muscles using the light weights described in this program but you will become conditioned and look terrific!

All part of the 'shaping', 'definition' and 'toning' I was talking about.

Also http://en.allexperts.com/q/Strength-Training-3320/Muscle-toning-shaping-sculpting-1.htm