I present to you God's signs of the modern days.....

As time moved on,mankind progreseed and continued to achieve big things.What seemed simply impossible in one era happened in the next and now anything seems possible.Except one thing and that is immortality.God says "every man shall return to God one day".Think about the things man has been able to achieve,it's this one thing which none has even hoped to achieve.If man can remove death in any shape than all religion everything will be finished but even the most ambhigious scientist doesnt believe that will ever happen.It's pretty clear that God gave humans the ability to achieve big things but made it impossible to avoid what forms the basis of religion.;)

If everything "just happened by itself" like you non-believers claim than why has man not even come close to removing death from our lives??Surely somebody made it this way that it is impossible no??

Mankind achieved many things but failed to make life any more comfortable and easier than the old times.Heck it's perhaps more "hectic" now than the stone age.Man has failed to remove the unpredictableness from life.Nobody is guaranteed a long age,nobody is guaranteed to die a natural death.You can die anytime from a road accident,plane crash,train accident,suicide bomb etc ALL of which are man's creations.Medical science has made so much progression but "still" it's very much possible to die a natural death at a young age which is a clear sign that there is a superior being there who's rules man cannot change.

Man finds quite foolproof cures of some diseases and then you have new diseases emerging every now and then showing man whoz boss.;)

No religion including islam mentions anything about any other life other than this planet.Man has discovered so much of outer space but has seen no forms of living creatures on any other planet.Why is that?Another co-incidence which could have put a very big question mark on God's All Knowing status??

Why is it that the most powerful and advanced country in the world,the USA get shattered by natural disasters from time to time?....

Think about it,you will see the light soon....;)

.Theokhoth

Wow, you have a LOL WUT Pear bag....

As time moved on,mankind progreseed and continued to achieve big things.What seemed simply impossible in one era happened in the next and now anything seems possible.Except one thing and that is immortality.God says "every man shall return to God one day".Think about the things man has been able to achieve,it's this one thing which none has even hoped to achieve.If man can remove death in any shape than all religion everything will be finished but even the most ambhigious scientist doesnt believe that will ever happen.It's pretty clear that God gave humans the ability to achieve big things but made it impossible to avoid what forms the basis of religion.;)

If everything "just happened by itself" like you non-believers claim than why has man not even come close to removing death from our lives??Surely somebody made it this way that it is impossible no??

Spybot_9

we have life support and that is moving towards immortality

Mankind achieved many things but failed to make life any more comfortable and easier than the old times.Heck it's perhaps more "hectic" now than the stone age.Man has failed to remove the unpredictableness from life.Nobody is guaranteed a long age,nobody is guaranteed to die a natural death.You can die anytime from a road accident,plane crash,train accident,suicide bomb etc ALL of which are man's creations.Medical science has made so much progression but "still" it's very much possible to die a natural death at a young age which is a clear sign that there is a superior being there who's rules man cannot change.

Spybot_9

Man finds quite foolproof cures of some diseases and then you have new diseases emerging every now and then showing man whoz boss.;)

Spybot_9

Welcome to evolution...

No religion including islam mentions anything about any other life other than this planet.Man has discovered so much of outer space but has seen no forms of living creatures on any other planet.Why is that?Another co-incidence which could have put a very big question mark on God's All Knowing status??

Spybot_9

we've discovered very little of space, we've only properly probed the moon so far and i think there was a astroid found in the artic with possible alien bacteria on it and there is a possiblity there vis life on mars.

Why is it that the most powerful and advanced country in the world,the USA get shattered by natural disasters from time to time?....

Spybot_9

because that's a whole planet and the sun against one country....

So, in order for God to stop mankind from becoming immortal, he/she must commit a 2012?CRS98

It's pretty clear that God gave humans the ability to achieve big things
Elaborate on this.

If everything "just happened by itself" like you non-believers claim than why has man not even come close to removing death from our lives??Surely somebody made it this way that it is impossible no??
Just because its natural for things to die doesn't mean someone/some thing made it that way... and if people were to live forever, the planet would beoverpopulated and we'd either be forced to colonize other planets or kill people.

Man has failed to remove the unpredictableness from life.
If it's unpredictable, there's no way to remove it, let alone expect it.

Nobody is guaranteed a long age,nobody is guaranteed to die a natural death.You can die anytime from a road accident,plane crash,train accident,suicide bomb etc ALL of which are man's creations.Medical science has made so much progression but "still" it's very much possible to die a natural death at a young age which is a clear sign that there is a superior being there who's rules man cannot change.
Elaborate on how that's obvious.

No religion including islam mentions anything about any other life other than this planet.Man has discovered so much of outer space but has seen no forms of living creatures on any other planet.Why is that?Another coincidence which could have put a very big question mark on God's All Knowing status??
There's still possibility of life on other planets (we just haven't found definite proof). Back in the time the religious texts were written there wasn't much of any knowledge or technology to even consider other planets existing.

Why is it that the most powerful and advanced country in the world,the USA get shattered by natural disasters from time to time?
A bunch of climate stuff I don't feel like explaining.

Think about it,you will see the light soon....;)
Lies.Spybot_9

So God is a sadistic **** who wants to make sure mankind knows "Whose boss" by killing off a few thousand?STWELCH

You made no real point other than god likes to kill people... way to go...DJ_Novakain

This is really is the saddest argument you people could form"God likes to kill people" ROFL when all deaths be it from whatever casue are from God's will and regardless this thread is about God's existence,try to deny that argument and dont go off topic.

we have life support and that is moving towards immortality

markop2003

i'm more comfortable with video games than with out and as stone age man didn't have them we are more comfortable than we were. Average life span has risen since stone age times even though we've added hazerds.

markop2003

Welcome to evolution...

markop2003

we've discovered very little of space, we've only properly probed the moon so far and i think there was a astroid found in the artic with possible alien bacteria on it and there is a possiblity there vis life on mars.

markop2003

because that's a whole planet and the sun against one country....

i'll leave something for the people with more knowlege of physics and biologymarkop2003

That is, quite literally, the worst argument I have ever heard. I don't even know where to start criticising.JJ4545

If I'm interpreting this mess correctly, then you're saying that 1. God kills people, so 2. He exists. This is fundementally flawed for the same reason as the Ontological argument:

existence is not a predicate.

[QUOTE="markop2003"]

we've discovered very little of space, we've only properly probed the moon so far and i think there was a astroid found in the artic with possible alien bacteria on it and there is a possiblity there vis life on mars.

Spybot_9

Hearing a religious nut use that phrase, in any situation, always makes me laugh.

No offense, but this argument doesn't make a lot of logical sense. You're effectively begging the question by assuming the existence of God as a premise, because as far as I can tell the argument goes like this:

1. God exists.

2. God has made it so that humans cannot escape death and that Earth contains the only life in the universe.

3. Humans have not escaped death and have not found any life on planets other than Earth.

4. Therefore, God exists.

Please tell me you see something wrong with this argument. :P

The reason why religion doesn't talk about aliens or other life forms was because they never really thought of there being other species on another planet.The universe is so vast and big and there's a huge possibility that we're not the only species in existance.

I've also heard that the angels in the bible were said to be aliens....

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"]It's pretty clear that God gave humans the ability to achieve big things
Elaborate on this.

God gave man "mind".

If everything "just happened by itself" like you non-believers claim than why has man not even come close to removing death from our lives??Surely somebody made it this way that it is impossible no??
Just because its natural for things to die doesn't mean someone/some thing made it that way... and if people were to live forever, the planet would beoverpopulated and we'd either be forced to colonize other planets or kill people.

But why is everything balanced when all of this just happened by itself.Why is death still there and the worldnot errupted with overpopulation?

Man has failed to remove the unpredictableness from life.
If it's unpredictable, there's no way to remove it, let alone expect it.

Huh?

Nobody is guaranteed a long age,nobody is guaranteed to die a natural death.You can die anytime from a road accident,plane crash,train accident,suicide bomb etc ALL of which are man's creations.Medical science has made so much progression but "still" it's very much possible to die a natural death at a young age which is a clear sign that there is a superior being there who's rules man cannot change.
Elaborate on how that's obvious.

I already did.

No religion including islam mentions anything about any other life other than this planet.Man has discovered so much of outer space but has seen no forms of living creatures on any other planet.Why is that?Another coincidence which could have put a very big question mark on God's All Knowing status??
There's still possibility of life on other planets (we just haven't found definite proof). Back in the time the religious texts were written there wasn't much of any knowledge or technology to even consider other planets existing.

Quran tells about genetic engireeing.It says(NOT an exact quote) "And man will try to alter with God's creation".I dont remember what it said after it but it doesnt end there.And Quran is God's word and not based on a person's own knowledge or something.

Why is it that the most powerful and advanced country in the world,the USA get shattered by natural disasters from time to time?
A bunch of climate stuff I don't feel like explaining.

Made by God which man has failed to do anything about.

Think about it,you will see the light soon....;)
Lies.scorch-62

No religion including islam mentions anything about any other life other than this planet.Man has discovered so much of outer space but has seen no forms of living creatures on any other planet.Why is that?Another co-incidence which could have put a very big question mark on God's All Knowing status??

Spybot_9

Your whole arguement is flawed but this is the worst. We haven even gotten out of our solar system and you bring up this argument? Thats like claiming that your parents are the only living human beings on the planet when you have never left your bedroom. We have explored an area of space that is so insignificantly small, that its ridiculous to even use it as a base for assumptions. And didnt the vatican accept the possibility of aliens? I mean why are you going against your own religious leader?

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

No religion including islam mentions anything about any other life other than this planet.Man has discovered so much of outer space but has seen no forms of living creatures on any other planet.Why is that?Another co-incidence which could have put a very big question mark on God's All Knowing status??

II_Seraphim_II

Your whole arguement is flawed but this is the worst. We haven even gotten out of our solar system and you bring up this argument? Thats like claiming that your parents are the only living human beings on the planet when you have never left your bedroom. We have explored an area of space that is so insignificantly small, that its ridiculous to even use it as a base for assumptions. And didnt the vatican accept the possibility of aliens? I mean why are you going against your own religious leader?

And man will not be making much progress in space anymore.The world has already started to starve for resources.

Quran tells about genetic engireeing.It says(NOT an exact quote) "And man will try to alter with God's creation".I dont remember what it said after it but it doesnt end there.And Quran is God's word and not based on a person's own knowledge or something.

Spybot_9

That could mean almost anything. Altering God's creation would classify as any change to Earth or anything living on it. For example, cutting down a tree.

Most of your arguments seems to stem from the fact that you obviously don't believe in natural disasters or evolution.

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

No religion including islam mentions anything about any other life other than this planet.Man has discovered so much of outer space but has seen no forms of living creatures on any other planet.Why is that?Another co-incidence which could have put a very big question mark on God's All Knowing status??

II_Seraphim_II

Your whole arguement is flawed but this is the worst. We haven even gotten out of our solar system and you bring up this argument? Thats like claiming that your parents are the only living human beings on the planet when you have never left your bedroom. We have explored an area of space that is so insignificantly small, that its ridiculous to even use it as a base for assumptions. And didnt the vatican accept the possibility of aliens? I mean why are you going against your own religious leader?

Even though no religious book speak of existence of aliens, they even donot speak of non-existence of aliens. Hence, if a thing is not mentioned, TC is assuming that it must not be there. This may be a faulty assumption, because if no religious text speaks of them then they may exist or may not exist(according to the text).

No offense, but this argument doesn't make a lot of logical sense. You're effectively begging the question by assuming the existence of God as a premise, because as far as I can tell the argument goes like this:

1. God exists.

2. God has made it so that humans cannot escape death and that Earth contains the only life in the universe.

3. Humans have not escaped death and have not found any life on planets other than Earth.

4. Therefore, God exists.

Please tell me you see something wrong with this argument. :P

GabuEx

No offense, but this argument doesn't make a lot of logical sense. You're effectively begging the question by assuming the existence of God as a premise, because as far as I can tell the argument goes like this:

1. God exists.

2. God has made it so that humans cannot escape death and that Earth contains the only life in the universe.

3. Humans have not escaped death and have not found any life on planets other than Earth.

4. Therefore, God exists.

Please tell me you see something wrong with this argument. :P

GabuEx

Gabu I see nothing wrong with this arguement....

Nobody gives a **** about your preaching TC, god is nothing more than your delusion, your not gonna see the pearly white gates of heaven, your gonna end up in a black void filled with emptiness, as if you didn't existed. Do us a favor and dont preach anymore. We dont need it. Thats all I have to say.tzar3

I am giving "signs" and not "proof".Spybot_9

But they're only valid signs if you already believed that God exists and that he did those things. That's my point. This whole argument is one big instance of begging the question: you have assumed that God exists and did those things, and then went from that assumption to the conclusion that those things are signs that God exists.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

No offense, but this argument doesn't make a lot of logical sense. You're effectively begging the question by assuming the existence of God as a premise, because as far as I can tell the argument goes like this:

1. God exists.

2. God has made it so that humans cannot escape death and that Earth contains the only life in the universe.

3. Humans have not escaped death and have not found any life on planets other than Earth.

4. Therefore, God exists.

Please tell me you see something wrong with this argument. :P

Ravirr

Gabu I see nothing wrong with this arguement....

But here is the good part: It can be seen as a challenge from God, who claims that all people must die. So all science has to do, to prove all religions wrong once and for all, is to make a human immortal(though this may never happen).MFaraz_Hayat

:lol: So the reason that God allows billions of his creations to die is to present a challenge. How compassionate.

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]But here is the good part: It can be seen as a challenge from God, who claims that all people must die. So all science has to do, to prove all religions wrong once and for all, is to make a human immortal(though this may never happen).Funky_Llama

:lol: So the reason that God allows billions of his creations to die is to present a challenge. How compassionate.

But imagine, if God would not allow anyone to die wouldn't this world be a bit tooooooooo over-populated? So, it's not only to reduce over-population but simultaneously a challenge too. Anyways, a world where people don't die willend pretty soon itself. Majority of the resources would end.......

P.S. I am assuming that this can be seen as challenge (I never read anywhere[in any religious text] that death is a challenge from God).

[QUOTE="Ravirr"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

No offense, but this argument doesn't make a lot of logical sense. You're effectively begging the question by assuming the existence of God as a premise, because as far as I can tell the argument goes like this:

1. God exists.

2. God has made it so that humans cannot escape death and that Earth contains the only life in the universe.

3. Humans have not escaped death and have not found any life on planets other than Earth.

4. Therefore, God exists.

Please tell me you see something wrong with this argument. :P

cowboymonkey21

Gabu I see nothing wrong with this arguement....

1000000% serious.....

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]But here is the good part: It can be seen as a challenge from God, who claims that all people must die. So all science has to do, to prove all religions wrong once and for all, is to make a human immortal(though this may never happen).Funky_Llama

:lol: So the reason that God allows billions of his creations to die is to present a challenge. How compassionate.

[QUOTE="tzar3"]Nobody gives a **** about your preaching TC, god is nothing more than your delusion, your not gonna see the pearly white gates of heaven, your gonna end up in a black void filled with emptiness, as if you didn't existed. Do us a favor and dont preach anymore. We dont need it. Thats all I have to say.cowboymonkey21

I hope, that you are joking...

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"]I am giving "signs" and not "proof".GabuEx

But they're only valid signs if you already believed that God exists and that he did those things. That's my point. This whole argument is one big instance of begging the question: you have assumed that God exists and did those things, and then went from that assumption to the conclusion that those things are signs that God exists.

No I am also saying that these things are very unlikely to have happened "by chance".Spybot_9

And you've come to that conclusion because you already believed in God and that he did those things - that's my point. People who don't believe in God or who don't believe that God did those things will have entirely different explanations for what you describe (or will not even feel that they need explanation at all). The only people who will agree with what you're saying are people who already agreed with it beforehand.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]But here is the good part: It can be seen as a challenge from God, who claims that all people must die. So all science has to do, to prove all religions wrong once and for all, is to make a human immortal(though this may never happen).LJS9502_basic

:lol: So the reason that God allows billions of his creations to die is to present a challenge. How compassionate.

Yeah, but that guy said that it was deliberate, to present a challenge.

Yeah, but that guy said that it was deliberate, to present a challenge.

Funky_Llama

My advice to the posters here...don't bother trying to argue with someone who thinks Evolution is "another fail".

There's really no point.

I think religions were created because death is inevitable and often unpredictable; people could be less afraid of death if there was an explanation behind it (and something to look forward to after it)... So I don't really think death being unavoidable proves religion true. And besides, people live a lot longer on average now than they used to.

If everything "just happened by itself" like you non-believers claim than why has man not even come close to removing death from our lives??Surely somebody made it this way that it is impossible no??

Spybot_9

no, because the concept of friction applies.

I think religions were created because death is inevitable and often unpredictable; people could be less afraid of death if there was an explanation behind it (and something to look forward to after it)... So I don't really think death being unavoidable proves religion true. And besides, people live a lot longer on average now than they used to.

Codename_Drake

[QUOTE="JJ4545"]That is, quite literally, the worst argument I have ever heard. I don't even know where to start criticising.Spybot_9

Well I'll be honest, I didn't read it, and I'm not religious, but when I saw:

"Think about it,you will see the light soon.... "

at the end of your post, I just thought I'd stamp a big massive "I don't give a crap" stamp on your thread, since I'm not going to be converted online; especially (my judgement based on some of the replies) by someone with as little knowledge as you. ;)