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#1 FFseries_Fan
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Homosexuality..

I mean like christianity , judaism and islam says you have to have sex while marriage only for reproduction and pleasure.
but homosexuals can't have sex with the oppisate sex so they can't have sex their whole life?
doesnt make sense.. how can somebody take the blame for something nobody has no control of

thats not fair at all.

edit : added no before control sorry my mistake

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Well for one, umm The Butt isn't for sex.. It's for getting rid of feces so in all reality How are they going to have sex naturally? It's just pretty much stating that of course you can't have sex because that's not what it's 4, I don't see a problem with that.
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#3 deepdreamer256
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Oh, and before anyone claims otherwise, homosexuality IS something you have no control of. Let the battle commence!
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Homosexuality..

I mean like christianity , judaism and islam says you have to have sex while marriage only for reproduction and pleasure.
but homosexuals can't have sex with the oppisate sex so they can't have sex their whole life?
doesnt make sense.. how can somebody take the blame for something nobody has control of

thats not fair at all.

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Homosexuals have no control over their attractions, but they do have control over how they use them. It's just how it goes. Everybody has to give up something, and sex is what homosexuals have to give up.

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#5 delol
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A logical trap hein ? In nature sex is for reproductory reasons in our somewhat freaking species sex is for pleasure I Hope that satisfies your question
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#6 delol
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Oh, and before anyone claims otherwise, homosexuality IS something you have no control of. Let the battle commence!deepdreamer256
Dont buy that I may wish the next door wife but i simply don't go for her because i consider that wrong (and believe me she is hot and gave me some signals ) but my values win over my instincts
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[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]Oh, and before anyone claims otherwise, homosexuality IS something you have no control of. Let the battle commence!delol
Dont buy that I may wish the next door wife but i simply don't go for her because i consider that wrong (and believe me she is hot and gave me some signals ) but my values win over my instincts

Yeah, that's really smart. That's kind of like me saying "You are born with a love for the right wing!" and you saying "I am a left winger myself, but I prefer Karl Manx to Meow Zedong!" It just doesn't add up, you know? :P
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#9 delol
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[QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]Oh, and before anyone claims otherwise, homosexuality IS something you have no control of. Let the battle commence!deepdreamer256
Dont buy that I may wish the next door wife but i simply don't go for her because i consider that wrong (and believe me she is hot and gave me some signals ) but my values win over my instincts

Yeah, that's really smart. That's kind of like me saying "You are born with a love for the right wing!" and you saying "I am a left winger myself, but I prefer Karl Manx to Meow Zedong!" It just doesn't add up, you know? :P

Yes i do But maybe you can explain your point better ( and please do not use political Metaphors it is a tremendous bad taste )
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I go to a catholic school, and I usually disagree with most of the views they take. :lol:

My religion teacher was a little...um, sex crazed, I guess, so this came up a lot. :| This was one topic I could never agree with. I feel sorry for homosexuals, because of all the crap they have to go through.

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I go to a catholic school, and I usually disagree with most of the views they take. :lol:

My religion teacher was a little...um, sex crazed, I guess, so this came up a lot. :| This was one topic I could never agree with. I feel sorry for homosexuals, because of all the crap they have to go through.

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[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]Oh, and before anyone claims otherwise, homosexuality IS something you have no control of. Let the battle commence!delol
Dont buy that I may wish the next door wife but i simply don't go for her because i consider that wrong (and believe me she is hot and gave me some signals ) but my values win over my instincts

Yeah, that's really smart. That's kind of like me saying "You are born with a love for the right wing!" and you saying "I am a left winger myself, but I prefer Karl Manx to Meow Zedong!" It just doesn't add up, you know? :P

Yes i do But maybe you can explain your point better ( and please do not use political Metaphors it is a tremendous bad taste )

Especially when you spell it "Meow" :S
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[QUOTE="zeldaluff"]

I go to a catholic school, and I usually disagree with most of the views they take. :lol:

My religion teacher was a little...um, sex crazed, I guess, so this came up a lot. :| This was one topic I could never agree with. I feel sorry for homosexuals, because of all the crap they have to go through.

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On parent's night or whatever it's called, she started talking about the course and ended up talking about sex for 15 of the 20 minutes. My mom and my friend's mom were a little freaked out by it :P

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In the Bible, its really only sort of an off hand comment by the LORD. It could be very easily argued that he was denouncing the man rather then the act. Same with masterbation
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[QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]Oh, and before anyone claims otherwise, homosexuality IS something you have no control of. Let the battle commence!karriston
Dont buy that I may wish the next door wife but i simply don't go for her because i consider that wrong (and believe me she is hot and gave me some signals ) but my values win over my instincts

Yeah, that's really smart. That's kind of like me saying "You are born with a love for the right wing!" and you saying "I am a left winger myself, but I prefer Karl Manx to Meow Zedong!" It just doesn't add up, you know? :P

Yes i do But maybe you can explain your point better ( and please do not use political Metaphors it is a tremendous bad taste )

Especially when you spell it "Meow" :S

And Manx, don't forget Karl Manx.
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Homosexuality..

I mean like christianity , judaism and islam says you have to have sex while marriage only for reproduction and pleasure.
but homosexuals can't have sex with the oppisate sex so they can't have sex their whole life?
doesnt make sense.. how can somebody take the blame for something nobody has no control of

thats not fair at all.

edit : added no before control sorry my mistake

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Other than the lack of interest in the opposite sex...it's not like homosexuals CAN'T have sex with the opposite sex. You may want to rephrase...
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Spare me. TREMENDOUS BAD TASTE. My problem is that you compare adultery (having an affair with a married woman) with homosexuality (having an affair with another man . . . or woman). The difference? Adultery is something I would consider morally objectionable in this situation as it can only hurt the man who the woman is married to. Homosexuality, on the other hand, when two men are in a loving, caring relationship, is actually not bad. I mean, face it. The two men will be enjoying themselves whilst the married man will be breaking down at the expense of his wife. In homosexuality, everyone wins! Except, I suppose, the Christians, who will march to the tune of the authoritarian dictator known as God. All the while imposing their childish little laws as if fantasy is more important than science. MMKAY? :Ddeepdreamer256

Please tell me you're not serious.

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Well for one, umm The Butt isn't for sex.. It's for getting rid of feces so in all reality How are they going to have sex naturally? It's just pretty much stating that of course you can't have sex because that's not what it's 4, I don't see a problem with that. ferrari2001
Sensations around the anus can trigger orgasms... Of course that wouldn't be possible if the anus wasn't meant for sex. Feel around, you'll see.
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Because if the world really found out that Jesus really dated Peter there would be a sharp drop in our population right now.
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Well for one, umm The Butt isn't for sex.. It's for getting rid of feces so in all reality How are they going to have sex naturally? It's just pretty much stating that of course you can't have sex because that's not what it's 4, I don't see a problem with that. Greatgone12
Sensations around the anus can trigger orgasms... Of course that wouldn't be possible if the anus wasn't meant for sex. Feel around, you'll see.

Around? I know there are areas inside, but they require. . . persistence.

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[QUOTE="Greatgone12"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Well for one, umm The Butt isn't for sex.. It's for getting rid of feces so in all reality How are they going to have sex naturally? It's just pretty much stating that of course you can't have sex because that's not what it's 4, I don't see a problem with that. Theokhoth

Sensations around the anus can trigger orgasms... Of course that wouldn't be possible if the anus wasn't meant for sex. Feel around, you'll see.

Around? I know there are areas inside, but they require. . . persistence.

Well, persistence will pay off.
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[QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]Oh, and before anyone claims otherwise, homosexuality IS something you have no control of. Let the battle commence!deepdreamer256
Dont buy that I may wish the next door wife but i simply don't go for her because i consider that wrong (and believe me she is hot and gave me some signals ) but my values win over my instincts

Yeah, that's really smart. That's kind of like me saying "You are born with a love for the right wing!" and you saying "I am a left winger myself, but I prefer Karl Manx to Meow Zedong!" It just doesn't add up, you know? :P

Yes i do But maybe you can explain your point better ( and please do not use political Metaphors it is a tremendous bad taste )

Spare me. TREMENDOUS BAD TASTE. My problem is that you compare adultery (having an affair with a married woman) with homosexuality (having an affair with another man . . . or woman). The difference? Adultery is something I would consider morally objectionable in this situation as it can only hurt the man who the woman is married to. Homosexuality, on the other hand, when two men are in a loving, caring relationship, is actually not bad. I mean, face it. The two men will be enjoying themselves whilst the married man will be breaking down at the expense of his wife. In homosexuality, everyone wins! Except, I suppose, the Christians, who will march to the tune of the authoritarian dictator known as God. All the while imposing their childish little laws as if fantasy is more important than science. MMKAY? :D

talk about putting a label on christians.... we arent all fanatics you know? sadly i dont get offended by people badmouthing christianity anymore, its like getting angry at a dog for barking at you when you walk past it
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Well for one, umm The Butt isn't for sex.. It's for getting rid of feces so in all reality How are they going to have sex naturally? It's just pretty much stating that of course you can't have sex because that's not what it's 4, I don't see a problem with that. Greatgone12
Sensations around the anus can trigger orgasms... Of course that wouldn't be possible if the anus wasn't meant for sex. Feel around, you'll see.

and some people get orgasms when someone touch their breasts. and here i was thinking the breasts were for feeding babies...
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[QUOTE="Greatgone12"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Well for one, umm The Butt isn't for sex.. It's for getting rid of feces so in all reality How are they going to have sex naturally? It's just pretty much stating that of course you can't have sex because that's not what it's 4, I don't see a problem with that. biBLioTek
Sensations around the anus can trigger orgasms... Of course that wouldn't be possible if the anus wasn't meant for sex. Feel around, you'll see.

and some people get orgasms when someone touch their breasts. and here i was thinking the breasts were for feeding babies...

Some people have foot fetishes and when they touch peoples feet or their feet our touched it triggers an orgasm in the Brain.. And I always thought those were for walking. Seriously the Butt is not meant for sex simple as that.

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Some people have foot fetishes and when they touch peoples feet or their feet our touched it triggers an orgasm in the Brain.. And I always thought those were for walking. Seriously the Butt is not meant for sex simple as that.

ferrari2001

Hm, I wonder what all those nerve endings were for.

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[QUOTE="biBLioTek"][QUOTE="Greatgone12"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Well for one, umm The Butt isn't for sex.. It's for getting rid of feces so in all reality How are they going to have sex naturally? It's just pretty much stating that of course you can't have sex because that's not what it's 4, I don't see a problem with that. ferrari2001

Sensations around the anus can trigger orgasms... Of course that wouldn't be possible if the anus wasn't meant for sex. Feel around, you'll see.

and some people get orgasms when someone touch their breasts. and here i was thinking the breasts were for feeding babies...

Some people have foot fetishes and when they touch peoples feet or their feet our touched it triggers an orgasm in the Brain.. And I always thought those were for walking. Seriously the Butt is not meant for sex simple as that.

Hmmmm, do you not realise the stupidity of your arguement? Anything can be used for sex, and your own arguement just proved it. I'm by no means gay but if other people want to be then what difference does it make to you?

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In the Bible, its really only sort of an off hand comment by the LORD. It could be very easily argued that he was denouncing the man rather then the act. Same with masterbation Guiltfeeder566

It is rather explicitly mentioned in Leviticus 18:22 and referred to negatively in many other places in most bibles.

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[QUOTE="biBLioTek"][QUOTE="Greatgone12"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Well for one, umm The Butt isn't for sex.. It's for getting rid of feces so in all reality How are they going to have sex naturally? It's just pretty much stating that of course you can't have sex because that's not what it's 4, I don't see a problem with that. ferrari2001

Sensations around the anus can trigger orgasms... Of course that wouldn't be possible if the anus wasn't meant for sex. Feel around, you'll see.

and some people get orgasms when someone touch their breasts. and here i was thinking the breasts were for feeding babies...

Some people have foot fetishes and when they touch peoples feet or their feet our touched it triggers an orgasm in the Brain.. And I always thought those were for walking. Seriously the Butt is not meant for sex simple as that.

yet people can get orgasms from it. sex has turned into a pretty wide expression nowadays. a good sum up can be "physical love", and that includes homosexual intercourse.

oh, and a question to my fanatical christian brethren: how can God hate homosexuals, when hes the creator of them? its pretty much proved that youre born homosexual, so since its not a persons choice, its actually Gods will

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]

Some people have foot fetishes and when they touch peoples feet or their feet our touched it triggers an orgasm in the Brain.. And I always thought those were for walking. Seriously the Butt is not meant for sex simple as that.

Dark_Knight6

Hm, I wonder what all those nerve endings were for.

Probably so that you can feel the feces exiting your anus, so that you'll know when your defecation is done.

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[QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"]In the Bible, its really only sort of an off hand comment by the LORD. It could be very easily argued that he was denouncing the man rather then the act. Same with masterbation diz360

It is rather explicitly mentioned in Leviticus 18:22 and referred to negatively in many other places in most bibles.

Skeptics Annotated Bible is hardly a good source, just so you know. Here's their first example:

And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him."
What did Ham do? Did he just look at his naked father or was there something more to it than that? Some commentators have suggested that Ham committed homosexual rape on his drunken father, and that this was why Ham's descendants were eternally punished with slavery. 9:24

If one would kindly turn to the verses preceding it, one would know instantly that Ham saw his father drunk and naked, and in a state of total shame.

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[QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"]In the Bible, its really only sort of an off hand comment by the LORD. It could be very easily argued that he was denouncing the man rather then the act. Same with masterbation diz360

It is rather explicitly mentioned in Leviticus 18:22 and referred to negatively in many other places in most bibles.

same is shaving. thats a sin punishable by torture if im correct. so if you shave, youre as much of a sinner as a homosexual person :D
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yet people can get orgasms from it. sex has turned into a pretty wide expression nowadays. a good sum up can be "physical love", and that includes homosexual intercourse.

oh, and a question to my fanatical christian brethren: how can God hate homosexuals, when hes the creator of them? its pretty much proved that youre born homosexual, so since its not a persons choice, its actually Gods will

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Homosexuality is caused by hormone imbalances when you're in the mother's womb. . . . .not God.

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Theokhoth seems to be confused about this whole scenario, though. Am I understanding correctly? From your words, I'm gathering that you are indeed a homosexual christian? Is this true?
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Theokhoth seems to be confused about this whole scenario, though. Am I understanding correctly? From your words, I'm gathering that you are indeed a homosexual christian? Is this true?Persecuted_1

Yes, and I'm not confused. I haven't been confused for a long time now.

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It still shocks me how people think homosexuality is evil or bad.
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[QUOTE="biBLioTek"] yet people can get orgasms from it. sex has turned into a pretty wide expression nowadays. a good sum up can be "physical love", and that includes homosexual intercourse.

oh, and a question to my fanatical christian brethren: how can God hate homosexuals, when hes the creator of them? its pretty much proved that youre born homosexual, so since its not a persons choice, its actually Gods will

Theokhoth

Homosexuality is caused by hormone imbalances when you're in the mother's womb. . . . .not God.

Who's behind those hormonal imbalances. Wouldn't it be god, if he's behind the whole process to begin with? How can God be detached from responsibility to anything, while still being responsible for, and receiving credit for, it's creation?

Confusing, to say the least.

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[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]

Some people have foot fetishes and when they touch peoples feet or their feet our touched it triggers an orgasm in the Brain.. And I always thought those were for walking. Seriously the Butt is not meant for sex simple as that.

Persecuted_1

Hm, I wonder what all those nerve endings were for.

Probably so that you can feel the feces exiting your anus, so that you'll know when your defecation is done.

Well, that doesn't really explain why stimulating the prostate can lead to an orgasm.

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It still shocks me how people think homosexuality is evil or bad.-Jiggles-
agree... people will always hate or be scared of those that are different from them.
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[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]Theokhoth seems to be confused about this whole scenario, though. Am I understanding correctly? From your words, I'm gathering that you are indeed a homosexual christian? Is this true?Theokhoth

Yes, and I'm not confused. I haven't been confused for a long time now.

You understand that the christian God frowns upon homosexuality, do you not?

Personally, I have no problem with it, but it's quite flustering to try and comprehend a person who believes in a God that would shun him.

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I don't like their views on same-sex marriage and how homosexuals should be killed. In fact, I don't really see homosexuality as much as a sin so as much as any sexuality is.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="biBLioTek"] yet people can get orgasms from it. sex has turned into a pretty wide expression nowadays. a good sum up can be "physical love", and that includes homosexual intercourse.

oh, and a question to my fanatical christian brethren: how can God hate homosexuals, when hes the creator of them? its pretty much proved that youre born homosexual, so since its not a persons choice, its actually Gods will

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Homosexuality is caused by hormone imbalances when you're in the mother's womb. . . . .not God.

Who's behind those hormonal imbalances. Wouldn't it be god, if he's behind the whole process to begin with? How can God be detached from responsibility to anything, while still being responsible for, and receiving credit for, it's creation?

Confusing, to say the least.

couldnt have put it better myself
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#45 Theokhoth
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Who's behind those hormonal imbalances.

The mother.

Wouldn't it be god, if he's behind the whole process to begin with?

God doesn't do much with biology. . . .

How can God be detached from responsibility to anything, while still being responsible for, and receiving credit for, it's creation?

Because the creation is a spiritual one. . . .your body and soul are created; the body by your parents and the soul by God. The soul has nothing to do with your biology.

Confusing, to say the least.

It's a confusing subject. It takes years and years to understand this stuff, but if you want to, it's fun as it gets.

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[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]

Some people have foot fetishes and when they touch peoples feet or their feet our touched it triggers an orgasm in the Brain.. And I always thought those were for walking. Seriously the Butt is not meant for sex simple as that.

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Hm, I wonder what all those nerve endings were for.

Probably so that you can feel the feces exiting your anus, so that you'll know when your defecation is done.

Well, that doesn't really explain why stimulating the prostate can lead to an orgasm.

Perhaps as a second option for men who wish to reproduce, but suffer from erectile dysfunction? Just a guess.

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You understand that the christian God frowns upon homosexuality, do you not?

Personally, I have no problem with it, but it's quite flustering to try and comprehend a person who believes in a God that would shun him.

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God frowns upon sin in general. I'm not some exception to the good people in the world.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]Theokhoth seems to be confused about this whole scenario, though. Am I understanding correctly? From your words, I'm gathering that you are indeed a homosexual christian? Is this true?Persecuted_1

Yes, and I'm not confused. I haven't been confused for a long time now.

You understand that the christian God frowns upon homosexuality, do you not?

Personally, I have no problem with it, but it's quite flustering to try and comprehend a person who believes in a God that would shun him.

give me proof and reasons why God hates homosexuals, please. cause i cant find em. all i find is laws about staying clean that the writer have added "is Gods will" at the end. i hardly see that as proof.
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[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]

You understand that the christian God frowns upon homosexuality, do you not?

Personally, I have no problem with it, but it's quite flustering to try and comprehend a person who believes in a God that would shun him.

Theokhoth

God frowns upon sin in general. I'm not some exception to the good people in the world.

all people sin. never understood how some christians can proclaim homosexuality as "worse"
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[QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"]In the Bible, its really only sort of an off hand comment by the LORD. It could be very easily argued that he was denouncing the man rather then the act. Same with masterbation Theokhoth

It is rather explicitly mentioned in Leviticus 18:22 and referred to negatively in many other places in most bibles.

Skeptics Annotated Bible is hardly a good source, just so you know. Here's their first example:

And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him."
What did Ham do? Did he just look at his naked father or was there something more to it than that? Some commentators have suggested that Ham committed homosexual rape on his drunken father, and that this was why Ham's descendants were eternally punished with slavery. 9:24

If one would kindly turn to the verses preceding it, one would know instantly that Ham saw his father drunk and naked, and in a state of total shame.

So why did Noah curse Canaan for the subsequent 3 verses?

The "just and righteous" Noah (6:9, 7:1) plants a vineyard, gets drunk, and lies around naked in his tent. His son, Ham, happens to see his father in this condition. When Noah sobers up and hears "what his young son had done unto him" (what did he do besides look at him?), he curses not Ham, who "saw the nakedness of his father," but Ham's son, Canaan. "A servant of servants shall he [Canaan] be unto his brethren." This is a typical case of biblical justice, and is one of many Bible passages that have been used to justify slavery.