I really don't get religions' view on ..

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Hm, I suppose it could be because of the premarital sex thing. Although he has referred specifically to homosexual acts multiple times, and I don't really have any reason to assume that's not the real reason.

LJS9502_basic

Oh, right.

You said that you're not confused. I beg to differ.

Persecuted_1

I have two degrees studying this stuff. In addition, I'm the Christian, not you. I think I know wee bit more on the Bible than you do.;)

I'm not confused. I sure as hell was, years ago, but not anymore.

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]ugh, why can't the fact that God doesn't like it be reason enough. Put yourself in his position... would you really wanna look at homosexuals having sex? He's pretty much forced to look at it. Show him some mercy :cry:Persecuted_1

God caused it. He either likes it, or he likes making himself upset on purpose.

God does a lot of things that upset himself.

I noticed. What a dork. Only an adolescent ignoramus with a self-defeating mindstate would behave that way.

No stance, huh?

lol. im glad people like you aren't in charge of anyhting

NaiKoN9293

lol, the feeling is mutual.

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]

You said that you're not confused. I beg to differ.

Theokhoth

I have two degrees studying this stuff. In addition, I'm the Christian, not you. I think I know wee bit more on the Bible than you do.;)

I'm not confused. I sure as hell was, years ago, but not anymore.

Heh... confused you may not be, but you clearly missed the point of that quote. It's quite obvious that by 'the unrighteous', it means those who fall into the categories it goes on to list - and that includes homosexuals.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]

You said that you're not confused. I beg to differ.

Funky_Llama

I have two degrees studying this stuff. In addition, I'm the Christian, not you. I think I know wee bit more on the Bible than you do.;)

I'm not confused. I sure as hell was, years ago, but not anymore.

Heh... confused you may not be, but you clearly missed the point of that quote. It's quite obvious that by 'the unrighteous', it means those who fall into the categories it goes on to list - and that includes homosexuals.

*sigh*

People who live in their sins are unrighteous.

Did you read what happens after that? RIGHT after that? In the very next verse?

Some of you were like this; but you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:11)

Oh, and on whether or not it is homosexuality that is forbidden and not homosexual acts:

Do you not know that your bodies are the members of Christ? So should I take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Absolutely not! (Corinthians 6:15)

Heh.

Heh... confused you may not be, but you clearly missed the point of that quote. It's quite obvious that by 'the unrighteous', it means those who fall into the categories it goes on to list - and that includes homosexuals.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Heh... confused you may not be, but you clearly missed the point of that quote. It's quite obvious that by 'the unrighteous', it means those who fall into the categories it goes on to list - and that includes homosexuals.

LJS9502_basic

It doesn't say that; it condemns homosexuals, which of course includes homosexuals who abstain.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Heh... confused you may not be, but you clearly missed the point of that quote. It's quite obvious that by 'the unrighteous', it means those who fall into the categories it goes on to list - and that includes homosexuals.

Funky_Llama

It doesn't say that; it condemns homosexuals, which of course includes homosexuals who abstain.

The stance of the Catholic Church is that being a homosexual is not a sin. Any sexual activity outside of marriage is. Thus, only sex is the sin and no worse than other sexual activities.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]

You said that you're not confused. I beg to differ.

Theokhoth

I have two degrees studying this stuff. In addition, I'm the Christian, not you. I think I know wee bit more on the Bible than you do.;)

I'm not confused. I sure as hell was, years ago, but not anymore.

Heh... confused you may not be, but you clearly missed the point of that quote. It's quite obvious that by 'the unrighteous', it means those who fall into the categories it goes on to list - and that includes homosexuals.

*sigh*

People who live in their sins are unrighteous.

Did you read what happens after that? RIGHT after that? In the very next verse?

Some of you were like this; but you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:11)

Oh, and on whether or not it is homosexuality that is forbidden and not homosexual acts:

Do you not know that your bodies are the members of Christ? So should I take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Absolutely not! (Corinthians 6:15)

Heh.

Hah, I hadn't seen that other verse before. "And this is what some of you were." In other words... people who used to be homosexual, but are no longer.

Hah, I hadn't seen that other verse before. "And this is what some of you were." In other words... people who used to be homosexual, but are no longer.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Heh... confused you may not be, but you clearly missed the point of that quote. It's quite obvious that by 'the unrighteous', it means those who fall into the categories it goes on to list - and that includes homosexuals.

LJS9502_basic

It doesn't say that; it condemns homosexuals, which of course includes homosexuals who abstain.

The stance of the Catholic Church is that being a homosexual is not a sin. Any sexual activity outside of marriage is. Thus, only sex is the sin and no worse than other sexual activities.

In which case... what about sex within gay marriage, then?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Hah, I hadn't seen that other verse before. "And this is what some of you were." In other words... people who used to be homosexual, but are no longer.

LJS9502_basic

It doesn't specifically reference practicing homosexuals.

Hah, I hadn't seen that other verse before. "And this is what some of you were." In other words... people who used to be homosexual, but are no longer.

Funky_Llama

Guess what happens after death. . . . . .you're no longer a sinner.

In which case... what about sex within gay marriage, then?

Funky_Llama

In which case... what about sex within gay marriage, then?

Funky_Llama

I don't think they recognize that as marriage.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Hah, I hadn't seen that other verse before. "And this is what some of you were." In other words... people who used to be homosexual, but are no longer.

Theokhoth

Guess what happens after death. . . . . .you're no longer a sinner.

Given that it states that homosexuals don't inherit the kingdom of God... it doesn't appear that you'd get 'let off' like that.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

In which case... what about sex within gay marriage, then?

LJS9502_basic

:roll: I saw that coming a mile off. Why should sex be for procreation only, anyway?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Hah, I hadn't seen that other verse before. "And this is what some of you were." In other words... people who used to be homosexual, but are no longer.

Funky_Llama

Guess what happens after death. . . . . .you're no longer a sinner.

Given that it states that homosexuals don't inherit the kingdom of God... it doesn't appear that you'd get 'let off' like that.

You know, this is what breeds fundamentalism: you take a quote, and no matter how many times you're corrected, you run with it.

If homosexuality is itself a sin, then I won't be gay after death. Simple. I don't think sexuality will exist in Heaven anyway.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

In which case... what about sex within gay marriage, then?

Dark_Knight6

I don't think they recognize that as marriage.

They don't. Gay marriage is an oxymoron in a religious sense.

:roll: I saw that coming a mile off. Why should sex be for procreation only, anyway?

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

In which case... what about sex within gay marriage, then?

Funky_Llama

:roll: I saw that coming a mile off. Why should sex be for procreation only, anyway?

It's technically for Procreation and LOVE.. but just because you are doing it for the love aspect doesn't mean you can take the Procreation aspect out of it, because that's what sex is.. So you've got to be open to having kids and willing to bring them into this world even though you are doing it for love of your partner.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

In which case... what about sex within gay marriage, then?

Theokhoth

I don't think they recognize that as marriage.

They don't. Gay marriage is an oxymoron in a religious sense.

Thought so. Even in a political sense, it isn't considered "marriage."

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Hah, I hadn't seen that other verse before. "And this is what some of you were." In other words... people who used to be homosexual, but are no longer.

Theokhoth

Guess what happens after death. . . . . .you're no longer a sinner.

Given that it states that homosexuals don't inherit the kingdom of God... it doesn't appear that you'd get 'let off' like that.

You know, this is what breeds fundamentalism: you take a quote, and no matter how many times you're corrected, you run with it.

If homosexuality is itself a sin, then I won't be gay after death. Simple. I don't think sexuality will exist in Heaven anyway.

Wouldn't that apply to any sin? If atheism is a sin, I won't be atheist after death.

Besides, why wouldn't sexuality exist in Heaven?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

:roll: I saw that coming a mile off. Why should sex be for procreation only, anyway?

LJS9502_basic

What kind of an answer is that? :?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

In which case... what about sex within gay marriage, then?

ferrari2001

:roll: I saw that coming a mile off. Why should sex be for procreation only, anyway?

It's technically for Procreation and LOVE.. but just because you are doing it for the love aspect doesn't mean you can take the Procreation aspect out of it, because that's what sex is.. So you've got to be open to having kids and willing to bring them into this world even though you are doing it for love of your partner.

:roll: Fine... why is it for procreation as well as love, then?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Hah, I hadn't seen that other verse before. "And this is what some of you were." In other words... people who used to be homosexual, but are no longer.

Funky_Llama

Guess what happens after death. . . . . .you're no longer a sinner.

Given that it states that homosexuals don't inherit the kingdom of God... it doesn't appear that you'd get 'let off' like that.

You know, this is what breeds fundamentalism: you take a quote, and no matter how many times you're corrected, you run with it.

If homosexuality is itself a sin, then I won't be gay after death. Simple. I don't think sexuality will exist in Heaven anyway.

Wouldn't that apply to any sin? If atheism is a sin, I won't be atheist after death.

Besides, why wouldn't sexuality exist in Heaven?

Because there is no need for it. In heaven we exist eternally to worship and praise God in unending sounds of Praise. That's what heaven is. Just the fact we are with God and can praise him, so sexuality is unneeded in heaven.

What kind of an answer is that? :?

Funky_Llama

Wouldn't that apply to any sin? If atheism is a sin, I won't be atheist after death.

Besides, why wouldn't sexuality exist in Heaven?

Funky_Llama

You won't be an atheist after death.;) Ever hear the saying, "There are no atheists in Hell"?

Sex will appear so unbelievably trivial in eternity that we just won't give a crap about it anymore. At least, that's what I think will happen. Sex in Heaven is never mentioned in the Bible.

Because there is no need for it. In heaven we exist eternally to worship and praise God in unending sounds of Praise. That's what heaven is. Just the fact we are with God and can praise him, so sexuality is unneeded in heaven.

ferrari2001

Mm. Makes sense to me.

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

In which case... what about sex within gay marriage, then?

Funky_Llama

:roll: I saw that coming a mile off. Why should sex be for procreation only, anyway?

It's technically for Procreation and LOVE.. but just because you are doing it for the love aspect doesn't mean you can take the Procreation aspect out of it, because that's what sex is.. So you've got to be open to having kids and willing to bring them into this world even though you are doing it for love of your partner.

:roll: Fine... why is it for procreation as well as love, then?

Well for one If you have sex Naturally it's being used for Procreation that's what sex is for in nature to procreate, but as humans we can feel more. We have develope a lifelong bond between partners when we have sex and can show the greatest love for one another. These two go hand in hand, you can't have one without the other. If you have it soely for love it's lust if you have it solely for procreation you've gotten rid of what it truely means to be human and able to love.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

What kind of an answer is that? :?

LJS9502_basic

*sigh* You can't declare you beliefs immune to criticism simply because they're beliefs. Unless you're admitting that you don't have a justification for them, and which case why the hell hold that belief in the first place?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Wouldn't that apply to any sin? If atheism is a sin, I won't be atheist after death.

Besides, why wouldn't sexuality exist in Heaven?

Theokhoth

You won't be an atheist after death.;) Ever hear the saying, "There are no atheists in Hell"?

Sex will appear so unbelievably trivial in eternity that we just won't give a crap about it anymore. At least, that's what I think will happen. Sex in Heaven is never mentioned in the Bible.

And thus, by your logic as regards your homosexuality, atheists should not go to hell.

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]

Because there is no need for it. In heaven we exist eternally to worship and praise God in unending sounds of Praise. That's what heaven is. Just the fact we are with God and can praise him, so sexuality is unneeded in heaven.

Funky_Llama

Mm. Makes sense to me.

So, our purpose in heaven is simply to pat God on the back? Talk about an ego.

And thus, by your logic as regards your homosexuality, atheists should not go to hell.

Funky_Llama

No, because that is a different matter. I have accepted Christ; atheists have not. I won't be gay after death, nor will atheists be atheists, but that doesn't change the fact that one of us accepted Christ and the other didn't.

Well for one If you have sex Naturally it's being used for Procreation that's what sex is for in nature to procreate, but as humans we can feel more. We have develope a lifelong bond between partners when we have sex and can show the greatest love for one another. These two go hand in hand, you can't have one without the other. If you have it soely for love it's lust if you have it solely for procreation you've gotten rid of what it truely means to be human and able to love.

ferrari2001

Ah, thank you, the naturalistic fallacy. How did I see that coming? :roll:

"If you have it solely for love it's lust"... and also for love, as you stated right then.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

And thus, by your logic as regards your homosexuality, atheists should not go to hell.

Theokhoth

No, because that is a different matter. I have accepted Christ; atheists have not. I won't be gay after death, nor will atheists be atheists, but that doesn't change the fact that one of us accepted Christ and the other didn't.

And nor did it change the fact that you were gay and I was not. See? Our positions are symmetrical. Based on your logic, if I go to hell, so do you.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]

Because there is no need for it. In heaven we exist eternally to worship and praise God in unending sounds of Praise. That's what heaven is. Just the fact we are with God and can praise him, so sexuality is unneeded in heaven.

Dark_Knight6

Mm. Makes sense to me.

So, our purpose in heaven is simply to pat God on the back? Talk about an ego.

Yeah, I thought I'd let that one slide. :P

And nor did it change the fact that you were gay and I was not. See? Our positions are symmetrical. Based on your logic, if I go to hell, so do you.

Funky_Llama

No, because--and here, pay attention, because it's important--gay people aren't exempt from Heaven just like murderers (Moses) are not exempt from Heaven, or liars (Apostle Peter), or prostitutes (Mary Magdalene). Because any of those people can accept Christ and go to Heaven.

Atheists, on the other hand. . . .

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]

Well for one If you have sex Naturally it's being used for Procreation that's what sex is for in nature to procreate, but as humans we can feel more. We have develope a lifelong bond between partners when we have sex and can show the greatest love for one another. These two go hand in hand, you can't have one without the other. If you have it soely for love it's lust if you have it solely for procreation you've gotten rid of what it truely means to be human and able to love.

Funky_Llama

Ah, thank you, the naturalistic fallacy. How did I see that coming? :roll:

"If you have it solely for love it's lust"... and also for love, as you stated right then.

When I say love I'm meaning for the Bonding and the Entertainment.I should replace love with Entertainment and fun if that will make you happy.

and how is it a fallacy? Maybe it's a Falacy to athiests because they have no morals about sex but from a christian standpoint it's not a fallacy.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

And nor did it change the fact that you were gay and I was not. See? Our positions are symmetrical. Based on your logic, if I go to hell, so do you.

Theokhoth

No, because--and here, pay attention, because it's important--gay people aren't exempt from Heaven just like murderers (Moses) are not exempt from Heaven, or liars (Apostle Peter), or prostitutes (Mary Magdalene). Because any of those people can accept Christ and go to Heaven.

Atheists, on the other hand. . . .

Heh... that Bible quote says otherwise.

and how is it a fallacy? Maybe it's a Falacy to athiests because they have no morals about sex but from a christian standpoint it's not a fallacy.

ferrari2001

The naturalistic fallacy is a fallacy because just because it's not natural doesn't mean it's not moral, unless you consider technology to be immoral.

And atheists do have morals about sex. . . . .wtf dude.:|

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

And nor did it change the fact that you were gay and I was not. See? Our positions are symmetrical. Based on your logic, if I go to hell, so do you.

Theokhoth

No, because--and here, pay attention, because it's important--gay people aren't exempt from Heaven just like murderers (Moses) are not exempt from Heaven, or liars (Apostle Peter), or prostitutes (Mary Magdalene). Because any of those people can accept Christ and go to Heaven.

Atheists, on the other hand. . . .

Actually I believe Athiests can go to heaven. If they've been raised a certain way and have been taught to refuse Christ into their lives, but they still live a good life, God is merciful and will let them enter the kingdom, now if they were christian and simply refused Christ and refused to accept him back into their lives then their chances or entering heaven are slim.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]

Well for one If you have sex Naturally it's being used for Procreation that's what sex is for in nature to procreate, but as humans we can feel more. We have develope a lifelong bond between partners when we have sex and can show the greatest love for one another. These two go hand in hand, you can't have one without the other. If you have it soely for love it's lust if you have it solely for procreation you've gotten rid of what it truely means to be human and able to love.

ferrari2001

Ah, thank you, the naturalistic fallacy. How did I see that coming? :roll:

"If you have it solely for love it's lust"... and also for love, as you stated right then.

When I say love I'm meaning for the Bonding and the Entertainment.I should replace love with Entertainment and fun if that will make you happy.

and how is it a fallacy? Maybe it's a Falacy to athiests because they have no morals about sex but from a christian standpoint it's not a fallacy.

:roll: Oh dear... that's very weak... it is always a fallacy. It can't be a fallacy for me and not for you; the naturalistic fallacy is, objectively, a fallacy. Simple as that. If you want to embarrass yourself, feel free to argue the point...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

What kind of an answer is that? :?

Funky_Llama

*sigh* You can't declare you beliefs immune to criticism simply because they're beliefs. Unless you're admitting that you don't have a justification for them, and which case why the hell hold that belief in the first place?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

And nor did it change the fact that you were gay and I was not. See? Our positions are symmetrical. Based on your logic, if I go to hell, so do you.

Funky_Llama

No, because--and here, pay attention, because it's important--gay people aren't exempt from Heaven just like murderers (Moses) are not exempt from Heaven, or liars (Apostle Peter), or prostitutes (Mary Magdalene). Because any of those people can accept Christ and go to Heaven.

Atheists, on the other hand. . . .

Heh... that Bible quote says otherwise.

Heh. . . .and we just went in circles.

Moses was a murderer. Did God hate him?

Saint Peter was a liar (he denied Christ three times). Did God hate him?

Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. Did God hate her?

Actually I believe Athiests can go to heaven. If they've been raised a certain way and have been taught to refuse Christ into their lives, but they still live a good life, God is merciful and will let them enter the kingdom, now if they were christian and simply refused Christ and refused to accept him back into their lives then their chances or entering heaven are slim.

ferrari2001

Mmm. . . .maybe. I'll just leave it at that.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

And nor did it change the fact that you were gay and I was not. See? Our positions are symmetrical. Based on your logic, if I go to hell, so do you.

Theokhoth

No, because--and here, pay attention, because it's important--gay people aren't exempt from Heaven just like murderers (Moses) are not exempt from Heaven, or liars (Apostle Peter), or prostitutes (Mary Magdalene). Because any of those people can accept Christ and go to Heaven.

Atheists, on the other hand. . . .

Heh... that Bible quote says otherwise.

Heh. . . .and we just went in circles.

Moses was a murderer. Did God hate him?

Saint Peter was a liar (he denied Christ three times). Did God hate him?

Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. Did God hate her?

I don't know about God hating them... but according to that quote, they wouldn't get into heaven. Quite obviously they would, so that particular part of the Bible must be abandoned.