I really don't get religions' view on ..

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

But it is his fault when it runs too hot and the adhesive holding everything together melts and causes the heat sink to seperate.

LJS9502_basic

****, I can't really argue with you there.

That isn't what I said. I said that God made his biology to fail on purpose, so it wouldn't be a human flaw at least. Or maybe homosexuality isn't a flaw after all. I also said that I don't have any problem with homosexuals personally.

Persecuted_1

But you have serious issues with something certain homosexuals themselves have no problem with whatsoever.

That isn't what I said. I said that God made his biology to fail on purpose, so it wouldn't be a human flaw at least. Or maybe homosexuality isn't a flaw after all. I also said that I don't have any problem with homosexuals personally.

Persecuted_1

Unfortunately, God can't do what is logically impossible. Free will plus tamper-proof equals logically impossible. Theokhoth

So he's not all-powerful? Shouldn't God be able to bend logic?

How, when we are not outside of time, an ever-present concept? Theokhoth

Because he's God. There should be no boundaries for God. He can do whatever, whenever. Or maybe not? As you say? If he has limits, why call him God?

Nope. Logically impossible means God cannot make a three-sided square or make 2=7. Did you know that, as long as the Bible has been around, God in Christianity cannot sin? Theokhoth

He should be able to change anything at anytime.

So you'd rather God not create humans?:lol: The lengths people will go to nblame God for everything; it's pricelessTheokhoth

I didn't say that. Just showing the lack of logic within the belief.

I guess saying that I said something that I didn't say is the lengths you will go to, to convince yourself that you're right?

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]

That isn't what I said. I said that God made his biology to fail on purpose, so it wouldn't be a human flaw at least. Or maybe homosexuality isn't a flaw after all. I also said that I don't have any problem with homosexuals personally.

LJS9502_basic

Fail, as in what humans consider to be a failure. Not that God would see it as a flaw. Comprende? Did you see the sentence after that? "Maybe homosexuality isn't a falw after all?" I'm implying that perhaps human beings just don't understand the deisgn completely, and call certain things flaws, that are probably not.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]

That isn't what I said. I said that God made his biology to fail on purpose, so it wouldn't be a human flaw at least. Or maybe homosexuality isn't a flaw after all. I also said that I don't have any problem with homosexuals personally.

Persecuted_1

Fail, as in what humans consider to be a failure. Not that God would see it as a flaw. Comprende? Did you see the sentence after that? "Maybe homosexuality isn't a falw after all?" I'm implying that perhaps human beings just don't understand the deisgn completely, and call certain things flaws, that are probably not.

So he's not all-powerful? Shouldn't God be able to bend logic?

That's the conclusion we'd normally reach, but remember what I said about God being unable to sin? God can't do the logically impossible. Look up Thomas Aquinas; brilliant man.

Because he's God.

The "because He's God" argument doesn't work. Unless you'd be willing to apply it to science.

There should be no boundaries for God.

Other than logic, of course. You seem to be under the assumption that omnipotent means the ability to do anything at all, even if it is logically impossible. . . .tell me, can God create a rock so heavy that He cannot lift it?

He can do whatever, whenever. Or maybe not? As you say? If he has limits, why call him God?

Because His limits are the logically impossible, which does not exist anyway. A circle with corners does not exist, because if it did it wouldn't be a circle. Effectively, God's limit is the non-existent.

He should be able to change anything at anytime.

Based on. . . . .your belief?

I didn't say that. Just showing the lack of logic within the belief.

I guess saying that I said something that I didn't say is the lengths you will go to, to convince yourself that you're right?

What are your credentials? How much do you know of this subject, beyond Richard Dawkins books?

Persecuted_1

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]

That isn't what I said. I said that God made his biology to fail on purpose, so it wouldn't be a human flaw at least. Or maybe homosexuality isn't a flaw after all. I also said that I don't have any problem with homosexuals personally.

LJS9502_basic

Fail, as in what humans consider to be a failure. Not that God would see it as a flaw. Comprende? Did you see the sentence after that? "Maybe homosexuality isn't a falw after all?" I'm implying that perhaps human beings just don't understand the deisgn completely, and call certain things flaws, that are probably not.

I don't know how you can tell me where I stand. My goodness, you're a stubborn one aren't you?

I have no stance. I'm stating possibilities. You're the one applying one of my statements of possibility to me as if it's something I actually hold as truth. You have misunderstood my entire approach. That is alright though, I know that I'm not the easiest person to understand. I'm fairly complex according to my family, too.

I don't know how you can tell me where I stand. My goodness, you're a stubborn one aren't you?

I have no stance. I'm stating possibilities. You're the one applying one of my statements of possibility to me as if it's something I actually hold as truth. You have misunderstood my entire approach. That is alright though, I know that I'm not the easiest person to understand. I'm fairly complex according to my family, too.

Persecuted_1

Stating possibilities....no. You said God created flawed individuals. Nothing complex about it. That is what you said....more than once. I take it you no longer wish to assert that?

Theokhoth, I really don't like to read, so unfortunately, I have yet to pick up a Dawkins book.

About the opposite of God being only non-existence, well, couldn't God make himself non-existent if he wants to?

Well for one, umm The Butt isn't for sex.. It's for getting rid of feces so in all reality How are they going to have sex naturally? It's just pretty much stating that of course you can't have sex because that's not what it's 4, I don't see a problem with that. ferrari2001

How do you know what the butt is for? Did you make it? So by your terms, I can't have oral sex with girls because the mouth was made for eating and not sex?

I have no stance.

Persecuted_1

So far, you have called God a coward, directly stated that I am shunned by Him, and made several other claims. You most certainly do have a stance, P1.

[QUOTE="Robinho1873"][QUOTE="zeldaluff"]

I go to a catholic school, and I usually disagree with most of the views they take. :lol:

My religion teacher was a little...um, sex crazed, I guess, so this came up a lot. :| This was one topic I could never agree with. I feel sorry for homosexuals, because of all the crap they have to go through.

zeldaluff

I hear the pitter patter of bear feet.

On parent's night or whatever it's called, she started talking about the course and ended up talking about sex for 15 of the 20 minutes. My mom and my friend's mom were a little freaked out by it :P

Theokhoth, I really don't like to read, so unfortunately, I have yet to pick up a Dawkins book.

About the opposite of God being only non-existence, well, couldn't God make himself non-existent if he wants to?

Persecuted_1

That's not what I said. What God cannot do is the logically impossible. Since things that are logically impossible do not exist, God therefore has no limits, therefore He is omnipotent.

Can God make Himself non-existent? Since existence is a part of God's nature, no. This is the same as the "heavy rock" argument.

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]

I don't know how you can tell me where I stand. My goodness, you're a stubborn one aren't you?

I have no stance. I'm stating possibilities. You're the one applying one of my statements of possibility to me as if it's something I actually hold as truth. You have misunderstood my entire approach. That is alright though, I know that I'm not the easiest person to understand. I'm fairly complex according to my family, too.

LJS9502_basic

Stating possibilities....no. You said God created flawed individuals. Nothing complex about it. That is what you said....more than once. I take it you no longer wish to assert that?

I said it in a questioning manner. I wasn't making claims of fact.

Wow, I don't know who made you the final judge of other people's intentions, but I can see you're not going to budge from your perch, so I will exit now. It's not worth the time, and I need to fill up on supper. Maybe you should have a hot bath, or a massage? You seem tense. Anyway, good night.

Wow, I don't know who made you the final judge of other people's intentions, but I can see you're not going to budge from your perch, so I will exit now. It's not worth the time, and I need to fill up on supper. Maybe you should have a hot bath, or a massage? You seem tense. Anyway, good night.

Persecuted_1

Definitely DS.

Definitely DS.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Definitely DS.

LJS9502_basic

Or accuse somebody of being your alt.

Hell, even the "now I have to go and eat" reason for leaving fits the profile!:lol:

Surely an omnipotent, omniscient deity has more important things to worry about than a bit of bum fun? Why would homosexuality be so disturbing to him? Who does it hurt? If we can throw out the food laws, the beard laws and the piercings laws then why can't Christians abandon this one?

There is no logical reason why the practice should be frowned upon other than "God says so" according to a book whose authority depends entirely on faith, yet homosexuals can't marry and face legalchallenges because of this. It's outrageous.

Surely an omnipotent, omniscient deity has more important things to worry about than a bit of bum fun? Why would homosexuality be so disturbing to him?

The same reason why any and every other sin is disturbing to Him.

Who does it hurt?

Nobody. But some people don't define right and wrong based on who gets hurt in the process.

If we can throw out the food laws, the beard laws and the piercings laws then why can't Christians abandon this one?

Do you see Christians stoning homosexuals?

Junkie_man

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Definitely DS.

Theokhoth

Or accuse somebody of being your alt.

Hell, even the "now I have to go and eat" reason for leaving fits the profile!:lol:

"Some people don't define right and wrong by who gets hurt in the process"

To me, this seems more logical than by defining it at the whim of a diety as recorded in ancient scripture. I think if this was so important as regards entering the kingdom of God, then Jesus might just mention it.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Definitely DS.

helium_flash

Or accuse somebody of being your alt.

Hell, even the "now I have to go and eat" reason for leaving fits the profile!:lol:

Yes.

"Some people don't define right and wrong by who gets hurt in the process"

To me, this seems more logical than by defining it at the whim of a diety as recorded in ancient scripture. I think if this was so important as regards entering the kingdom of God, then Jesus might just mention it.

Junkie_man

By "this" do you mean homosexuality?

Who cares?

They can say whatever they want and you can do whatever you want, so long as you don't hurt anybody.

Hooray for freedom of choice.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Definitely DS.

Theokhoth

Or accuse somebody of being your alt.

Hell, even the "now I have to go and eat" reason for leaving fits the profile!:lol:

First off, I don't know what a DS is, unless we've started talking about Nintendo. And second, you're the one accusing me of being an alt.

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]

By the way Theokhoth, here you go:

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."(1 Cor. 6:9-10)

Homosexuals can not inherit the kingdom of god. That's it. Homosexuals. It doesn't say perverts who engaged in homosexual sex. It just says homosexuals. Which means, by being born gay you've been dealt a bad hand, and automatically condemned to hell, even though you had no control over how the situation developed. That's your God blaming you for his design flaws. Nice guy, eh?

Theokhoth

Man, do you know how many times a week someone quotes that verse to me?

"The unrighteous" refers to the unsaved, as in, those who have chosen to stay in sin rather than repent through Christ.

Do you honestly think I'm not aware of it?:lol: So please, chill. I'm not blaming God, and I see no reason for you to do so either.

Somehow I missed this post earlier.

You say the unrighteous refers to the unsaved, but that's not what the verse says. It even says "do not be deceived".

The verse says what is unrighteous, and you say that it's referring to those who are unsaved, and still tied up in those sins. Then just being homosexual is leaving you unsaved, as the verse only mentions homosexuality itself as unrighteous, not homosexual acts. So are you saying that you are as of now, still unsaved? You have not repented for being homosexual? Which doesn't make sense since there is nothing wrong with it.

If you believe that this verse is saying what types of people won't be allowed in the kingdom, as long as people have not repented for the stated offenses, then the only way you will get to heaven, is to repent for being homosexual, (since that's all it says - homosexual only, not homosexual acts) and somehow force yourself to be straight, reversing your own DNA, somehow. Which is ridiculous, since you're only homosexual because God made you that way. Why on Earth do you have to repent for what you were given?

You said that you're not confused. I beg to differ.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Definitely DS.

Persecuted_1

Or accuse somebody of being your alt.

Hell, even the "now I have to go and eat" reason for leaving fits the profile!:lol:

First off, I don't know what a DS is, unless we've started talking about Nintendo. And second, you're the one accusing me of being an alt.

You can't really blame him for thinking your an alt, with only being at level one, with so few post and with a name like that...

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Definitely DS.

Lonelynight

Or accuse somebody of being your alt.

Hell, even the "now I have to go and eat" reason for leaving fits the profile!:lol:

First off, I don't know what a DS is, unless we've started talking about Nintendo. And second, you're the one accusing me of being an alt.

You can't really blame him for thinking your an alt, with only being at level one, with so few post and with a name like that...

Yeah I could blame him easily. Not every new account has to be an alt. But isn't it he who just said I would accuse him of being an alt? I don't get it. Why?

I chose my username because it best represents me. On the internet at least. Mostly on the internet, and somewhat in regular life too.

It still isnt proven that homosexuality isn't a choice, there has never been a homosexual gene found, although some people claim there to be one, there hasnt been one found. God doesnt hate ho mos (just geting that out of the way) God hates the sin of homosexuality, He loves the sinner.

I've seen homosexuals become hetero so i dont personally believe they are "mentally" forced to be homosexual.

It still isnt proven that homosexuality isn't a choice, there has never been a homosexual gene found, although some people claim there to be one, there hasnt been one found. God doesnt hate ho mos (just geting that out of the way) God hates the sin of homosexuality, He loves the sinner.

I've seen homosexuals become hetero so i dont personally believe they are "mentally" forced to be homosexual.

SonKev

The fact that homosexuals are more likely to have a counterclockwise hair whorl suggests their sexuality is grounded in their biology. http://nymag.com/news/features/33520/

And the founder of Exodus, an organisation for homosexuals to become straight again, met his current partner at the organisation and both of them quit. This whole notion of homosexuals converting to heterosexuals is as obscure as the vastness of human sexuality itself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2PLPyKmtas

[QUOTE="FFseries_Fan"]

Homosexuality..

I mean like christianity , judaism and islam says you have to have sex while marriage only for reproduction and pleasure.
but homosexuals can't have sex with the oppisate sex so they can't have sex their whole life?
doesnt make sense.. how can somebody take the blame for something nobody has no control of

thats not fair at all.

edit : added no before control sorry my mistake

Robinho1873

Stop complaining! What would really suck for homosexuals is if God was actually real and the bible wasn't full of ****.

Hey come on

I'm a muslim myself but just because you don't believe in their religion doesn't mean you shouldn't respect it

ugh, why can't the fact that God doesn't like it be reason enough. Put yourself in his position... would you really wanna look at homosexuals having sex? He's pretty much forced to look at it. Show him some mercy :cry:Silenthps

God caused it. He either likes it, or he likes making himself upset on purpose.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]ugh, why can't the fact that God doesn't like it be reason enough. Put yourself in his position... would you really wanna look at homosexuals having sex? He's pretty much forced to look at it. Show him some mercy :cry:Persecuted_1

God caused it. He either likes it, or he likes making himself upset on purpose.

God does a lot of things that upset himself.

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]ugh, why can't the fact that God doesn't like it be reason enough. Put yourself in his position... would you really wanna look at homosexuals having sex? He's pretty much forced to look at it. Show him some mercy :cry:Shad0ki11

God caused it. He either likes it, or he likes making himself upset on purpose.

God does a lot of things that upset himself.

I noticed. What a dork. Only an adolescent ignoramus with a self-defeating mindstate would behave that way.

I'll say this one more time:

The bible was written to explain big concepts to simple people through simple stories. People have moved on, and christians should hurry up and do the same. Now Buddhism, there's a religion. :D

I'll say this one more time:

The bible was written to explain big concepts to simple people through simple stories. People have moved on, and christians should hurry up and do the same. Now Buddhism, there's a religion. :D

noswear

Ha ha ha. You just basically said that christians are like an inferior species. Good job! :lol:

I dont get religions views on a lot but it doesnt keep me up at night thinking about it. Why should homosexuals even care about what a church thinks of them and their lifestyle? God apparently made us all in Its image, so does that make God Bi or something? Obviously not since It doesnt even have a sexuality. It's just a load of **** so that the followers could have more children and therefore influence more and more people and therefore get a tighter grip around society and also the world. (not fact, just what I think)

[QUOTE="FFseries_Fan"]

Homosexuality..

I mean like christianity , judaism and islam says you have to have sex while marriage only for reproduction and pleasure.
but homosexuals can't have sex with the oppisate sex so they can't have sex their whole life?
doesnt make sense.. how can somebody take the blame for something nobody has control of

thats not fair at all.

Theokhoth

Homosexuals have no control over their attractions, but they do have control over how they use them. It's just how it goes. Everybody has to give up something, and sex is what homosexuals have to give up.

lol. im glad people like you aren't in charge of anyhting

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="FFseries_Fan"]

Homosexuality..

I mean like christianity , judaism and islam says you have to have sex while marriage only for reproduction and pleasure.
but homosexuals can't have sex with the oppisate sex so they can't have sex their whole life?
doesnt make sense.. how can somebody take the blame for something nobody has control of

thats not fair at all.

NaiKoN9293

Homosexuals have no control over their attractions, but they do have control over how they use them. It's just how it goes. Everybody has to give up something, and sex is what homosexuals have to give up.

lol. im glad people like you aren't in charge of anyhting

Heh... me too. He's giving up sex because of a few passages in the Old Testament; he may as well observe all the Jewish law if he takes it that seriously.

Heh... me too. He's giving up sex because of a few passages in the Old Testament; he may as well observe all the Jewish law if he takes it that seriously.

Funky_Llama

I'd also like to know how well Christians who use Leviticus to condemn homosexuality uphold every other law in that chapter. Surely wearing garments of two different materials or planting two different crops in the same field is as much an abomination as homosexual relationship. After all, the Bible does say that if you break just one rule you've broken them all...

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Heh... me too. He's giving up sex because of a few passages in the Old Testament; he may as well observe all the Jewish law if he takes it that seriously.

Red-XIII

I'd also like to know how well Christians who use Leviticus to condemn homosexuality uphold every other law in that chapter. Surely wearing garments of two different materials or planting two different crops in the same field is as much an abomination as homosexual relationship. After all, the Bible does say that if you break just one rule you've broken them all...

Heh... yup. Even the fundies cherry pick what they want.

Heh... me too. He's giving up sex because of a few passages in the Old Testament; he may as well observe all the Jewish law if he takes it that seriously.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Heh... me too. He's giving up sex because of a few passages in the Old Testament; he may as well observe all the Jewish law if he takes it that seriously.

LJS9502_basic

He stated previously that it was because he thinks that the Bible condemns homosexual acts as wrong.

He stated previously that it was because he thinks that the Bible condemns homosexual acts as wrong.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

He stated previously that it was because he thinks that the Bible condemns homosexual acts as wrong.

LJS9502_basic

Hm, I suppose it could be because of the premarital sex thing. Although he has referred specifically to homosexual acts multiple times, and I don't really have any reason to assume that's not the real reason.

Hm, I suppose it could be because of the premarital sex thing. Although he has referred specifically to homosexual acts multiple times, and I don't really have any reason to assume that's not the real reason.

Funky_Llama