Because in the end they will just say "god is all powerful".. Its the same kind of argument why no one ever brings up the idea of who created god.. The logic is hypocritical to begin with, they suggest everything has to have a creator, including us which we also create things.. But for some reason god is omitted from this for no reason..Why does everyone always skip over my questions? It's like when I asked "If nothing can exist outside of space and time then how can God exist outside of space and time?" They never get answered!
BumFluff122
I WANT to believe in God
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[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]
Well I figured one of the most obvious "proofs" would be yourself but I'm guessing that idea will be shot down pretty quick. One thing that's always seemed to fit the mold of truth in the Bible was how the land mass is so vastly different after the Flood happened. It seems like an obvious and testable idea which was proven accidentally when part of a dam leaked tons of water into some sort huge concrete valve to relieve pressure on the dam.
After only hours of that water staying in the same place, the water was able to just basically tear away most if not all of the cememt tube (I believe it was a few foot thick) and even some of the rock face. I'm not remembering the exact details but I'll be interested in looking it up again, was awhile back I think.
Not only is a global flood impossible, there is absolutely no evidence for it at all.
Continental drift has nothing to do with the flood myth either, unless you believe that continents are floating chunks of rock that can be pushed around by water (which they aren't).
If there was a great flood, how come so many animals have survived? You don't think really think that a boat could fit 5-100 million animals of each gender on it?
More than that.. You have to think about insects, and the plant life that wouldn't survive.. It would cause a ecological collapse because the majority of insects and plant population would go extinct.. Food supply.. Hell if we lost a single insect spieces, the bee, our environment today would collapse because they are our prime polinator.
[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Because in the end they will just say "god is all powerful".. Its the same kind of argument why no one ever brings up the idea of who created god.. The logic is hypocritical to begin with, they suggest everything has to have a creator, including us which we also create things.. But for some reason god is omitted from this for no reason.. I completely agree. A better question for them to try and argue would be, if everything requires causation then what caused existence? If God exists he even has to live within the world of existence regardless if he exists outside space and time. If nothing can be eternal and God exists what caused existence?Why does everyone always skip over my questions? It's like when I asked "If nothing can exist outside of space and time then how can God exist outside of space and time?" They never get answered!
sSubZerOo
[QUOTE="FlyingArmbar"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]
Well I figured one of the most obvious "proofs" would be yourself but I'm guessing that idea will be shot down pretty quick. One thing that's always seemed to fit the mold of truth in the Bible was how the land mass is so vastly different after the Flood happened. It seems like an obvious and testable idea which was proven accidentally when part of a dam leaked tons of water into some sort huge concrete valve to relieve pressure on the dam.
After only hours of that water staying in the same place, the water was able to just basically tear away most if not all of the cememt tube (I believe it was a few foot thick) and even some of the rock face. I'm not remembering the exact details but I'll be interested in looking it up again, was awhile back I think.
sSubZerOo
Not only is a global flood impossible, there is absolutely no evidence for it at all.
Continental drift has nothing to do with the flood myth either, unless you believe that continents are floating chunks of rock that can be pushed around by water (which they aren't).
If there was a great flood, how come so many animals have survived? You don't think really think that a boat could fit 5-100 million animals of each gender on it?
More than that.. You have to think about insects, and the plant life that wouldn't survive.. It would cause a ecological collapse because the majority of insects and plant population would go extinct.. Food supply.. Hell if we lost a single insect spieces, the bee, our environment today would collapse because they are our prime polinator.Well, technically, insects are part of the animal kingdom. But you're right, integral food source for plant eaters, integral food source for humans (grains and vegetables). Heck, would enough plants survive to fill the atmosphere with oxygen?
[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]
Well I figured one of the most obvious "proofs" would be yourself but I'm guessing that idea will be shot down pretty quick. One thing that's always seemed to fit the mold of truth in the Bible was how the land mass is so vastly different after the Flood happened. It seems like an obvious and testable idea which was proven accidentally when part of a dam leaked tons of water into some sort huge concrete valve to relieve pressure on the dam.
After only hours of that water staying in the same place, the water was able to just basically tear away most if not all of the cememt tube (I believe it was a few foot thick) and even some of the rock face. I'm not remembering the exact details but I'll be interested in looking it up again, was awhile back I think.
Not only is a global flood impossible, there is absolutely no evidence for it at all.
Continental drift has nothing to do with the flood myth either, unless you believe that continents are floating chunks of rock that can be pushed around by water (which they aren't).
If there was a great flood, how come so many animals have survived? You don't think really think that a boat could fit 5-100 million animals of each gender on it?
Well I'm trying to answer everyone's but I'd recommend looking up what the size of the ark was and see if math equations say it could still be buoyant be using some size divided by weight displacment equation. Really most of you're questions should go to ask.com or google. While you may say a global flood is impossible, you really need to realize who you're talking about lol. The Bible mentions that water came out of the ground and rained as well, which is why you can find fresh-water springs shooting out of parts of the ocean (http://l.editthispage.com/2000/09/12, best I could find about it trying to find one where Coast Guard uses these springs for extra fresh water storages.[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]
Why does everyone always skip over my questions? It's like when I asked "If nothing can exist outside of space and time then how can God exist outside of space and time?" They never get answered!
Because in the end they will just say "god is all powerful".. Its the same kind of argument why no one ever brings up the idea of who created god.. The logic is hypocritical to begin with, they suggest everything has to have a creator, including us which we also create things.. But for some reason god is omitted from this for no reason.. I completely agree. A better question for them to try and argue would be, if everything requires causation then what caused existence? If God exists he even has to live within the world of existence regardless if he exists outside space and time. If nothing can be eternal and God exists what caused existence? In the end I have no qualms with people believing god, its based on faith.. Its just sad that some people it seems don't think so, and they have to bend logic and evidence to fit their conclusion.[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Nope, I didn't.Funky_Llamammmk, feel free to fill me in how an accidental occurance like that (with the reasoning in my last post) "proves absolutely nothing".Burden of proof's on you.I'm confused, are you wanting me to find a link about the Dam story (lol) or something in the realm of proof the Flood had happened or......something else entirely?
[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]I completely agree. A better question for them to try and argue would be, if everything requires causation then what caused existence? If God exists he even has to live within the world of existence regardless if he exists outside space and time. If nothing can be eternal and God exists what caused existence? In the end I have no qualms with people believing god, its based on faith.. Its just sad that some people it seems don't think so, and they have to bend logic and evidence to fit their conclusion.Wait, please tell me what logic or evidence I've "bended" and I'lldo my best toclarify.[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Because in the end they will just say "god is all powerful".. Its the same kind of argument why no one ever brings up the idea of who created god.. The logic is hypocritical to begin with, they suggest everything has to have a creator, including us which we also create things.. But for some reason god is omitted from this for no reason.. sSubZerOo
[QUOTE="FlyingArmbar"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]
Well I figured one of the most obvious "proofs" would be yourself but I'm guessing that idea will be shot down pretty quick. One thing that's always seemed to fit the mold of truth in the Bible was how the land mass is so vastly different after the Flood happened. It seems like an obvious and testable idea which was proven accidentally when part of a dam leaked tons of water into some sort huge concrete valve to relieve pressure on the dam.
After only hours of that water staying in the same place, the water was able to just basically tear away most if not all of the cememt tube (I believe it was a few foot thick) and even some of the rock face. I'm not remembering the exact details but I'll be interested in looking it up again, was awhile back I think.
moose_knuckler
Not only is a global flood impossible, there is absolutely no evidence for it at all.
Continental drift has nothing to do with the flood myth either, unless you believe that continents are floating chunks of rock that can be pushed around by water (which they aren't).
If there was a great flood, how come so many animals have survived? You don't think really think that a boat could fit 5-100 million animals of each gender on it?
Well I'm trying to answer everyone's but I'd recommend looking up what the size of the ark was and see if math equations say it could still be buoyant be using some size divided by weight displacment equation. Really most of you're questions should go to ask.com or google. While you may say a global flood is impossible, you really need to realize who you're talking about lol. The Bible mentions that water came out of the ground and rained as well, which is why you can find fresh-water springs shooting out of parts of the ocean (http://l.editthispage.com/2000/09/12, best I could find about it trying to find one where Coast Guard uses these springs for extra fresh water storages.If you seriously are suggesting something like Noahs Ark actually existed literally word for word in the bible you are not worth debating with.. A) Noah would never been able to collect all the animals on the planet.. Insects would never be capable of getting the millions upon millions of species.. B) Even if this so called animals "flocked" to Noah they would not be able to reach him in time or would be incapable.. If it was during Pangea there was a vast desert in the middle, if it was seperated to landmasses similar today or as today they wouldn't be able to go across the water masses.. C) Noahs ark completely omits plants, something that NEEDS to survive to ever be able to have a habitable earth after.. D) a PAIR OF ANIMALS IS NOT enough to repopulate the spieces its just not. Especially animals that have small amounts of reproduction such as great cats in which they only have a few youth.. While others may have hundreds...
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]mmmk, feel free to fill me in how an accidental occurance like that (with the reasoning in my last post) "proves absolutely nothing".moose_knucklerBurden of proof's on you.I'm confused, are you wanting me to find a link about the Dam story (lol) or something in the realm of proof the Flood had happened or......something else entirely?Good luck proving science wrong on this one.
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]I completely agree. A better question for them to try and argue would be, if everything requires causation then what caused existence? If God exists he even has to live within the world of existence regardless if he exists outside space and time. If nothing can be eternal and God exists what caused existence?In the end I have no qualms with people believing god, its based on faith.. Its just sad that some people it seems don't think so, and they have to bend logic and evidence to fit their conclusion.Wait, please tell me what logic or evidence I've "bended" and I'll be sure to clarify. The irony.. Noah's Ark? Its logically and scientifically impossible.. A global flood would have wiped out all plant and the majority of insect life.. I am sorry if this is hard to understand, but you can't just grab a pair of each animal and think everything is gonna be "A" ok after. Its quite amusing that you don't realize this.moose_knuckler
[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Burden of proof's on you.BR1NG3RI'm confused, are you wanting me to find a link about the Dam story (lol) or something in the realm of proof the Flood had happened or......something else entirely?Good luck proving science wrong on this one. ????
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]mmmk, feel free to fill me in how an accidental occurance like that (with the reasoning in my last post) "proves absolutely nothing".moose_knucklerBurden of proof's on you.I'm confused, are you wanting me to find a link about the Dam story (lol) or something in the realm of proof the Flood had happened or......something else entirely?Or prove that your little non-sequitur there is of any consequence whatsoever to God's existence. Oh, and no longer presenting wild speculation as evidence would be nice too.
[QUOTE="BR1NG3R"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]I'm confused, are you wanting me to find a link about the Dam story (lol) or something in the realm of proof the Flood had happened or......something else entirely?moose_knucklerGood luck proving science wrong on this one. ???? Moose, perhapes you don't understand but the field of geology contridicts you.. You know those band of "pesky" scientists with PHD's who have been collecting data for decades on numerous facets of our planet.. You have that one piece of hilarious "example" they have literally billions of pieces of evidence.
The OT is by far the worst place to ask legitimate spiritual questions. Probably just go to a Christian forum and ask there. Here you will receive, a slew of sarcastic comments, and specific offshoot debates hardly relating to your original question, of which you've already encountered. Take this to a Christian forum.... or a smart pastor well-versed in apologetics.homegirl2180If you take it to a Christian forum you will just get biased responses.
And they say Religion doesn't cause harms, look what is doing to that poor mooses guy. He is growing up thinking the Noah's ark is real and that the great flood shaped the Earth as we know it :(
In my opinion. there is no proof that God doesnt exist, but there is proof that the God the bibble describe it doesnt exist
[QUOTE="magnax1"]There's plenty of proof against the God of the bible. There is none against an undefinable God.I know wut u mean, There is no proof of god, but people make it sound like there is a huge amount of proof against him. There is none.
BR1NG3R
Exactly
There's plenty of proof against the God of the bible. There is none against an undefinable God.[QUOTE="BR1NG3R"][QUOTE="magnax1"]
I know wut u mean, There is no proof of god, but people make it sound like there is a huge amount of proof against him. There is none.
Adrianstalker
Exactly
First of all you cant disprove something that has no evidence on either side of the debate and please show me your rock hard evidence against the god in the bible.
Wait, please tell me what logic or evidence I've "bended" and I'll be sure to clarify. The irony.. Noah's Ark? Its logically and scientifically impossible.. A global flood would have wiped out all plant and the majority of insect life.. I am sorry if this is hard to understand, but you can't just grab a pair of each animal and think everything is gonna be "A" ok after. Its quite amusing that you don't realize this.Well this is probably where we fall back to the first question to begin with, it's hard to understand the power of God (back to square one I guess :P). Trust me I do realize what you're talking about (how you assume and find it "amusing" is beyond me. It's like you're trying to disprove two seperate things, you can keep going on and on as to how something may be impossible but then not realizing this is God we're talking about here. Although you may not intend to say that, you're just throwing me off as to how you're wording things. I don't understand how Noah's Ark is impossible (it doesn't look the cartoony version you see in kid's books), how you do I find amusing. When it comes to insect life, there's probably a bunch of theories or ideas as to how they're still here (and annoying me atm). At the end of the story Noah sends out a dove to find land and comes back with an olive branch in it's mouth so yes, plant's were still around.[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] In the end I have no qualms with people believing god, its based on faith.. Its just sad that some people it seems don't think so, and they have to bend logic and evidence to fit their conclusion.sSubZerOo
I don't understand how Noah's Ark is impossiblemoose_knucklerBut just think of the numbers D: Millions of animals. Space for each of them. Food for all of them. All of them being attended to by a few people. Does that not seem implausible to you?
[QUOTE="FlyingArmbar"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]
Well I figured one of the most obvious "proofs" would be yourself but I'm guessing that idea will be shot down pretty quick. One thing that's always seemed to fit the mold of truth in the Bible was how the land mass is so vastly different after the Flood happened. It seems like an obvious and testable idea which was proven accidentally when part of a dam leaked tons of water into some sort huge concrete valve to relieve pressure on the dam.
After only hours of that water staying in the same place, the water was able to just basically tear away most if not all of the cememt tube (I believe it was a few foot thick) and even some of the rock face. I'm not remembering the exact details but I'll be interested in looking it up again, was awhile back I think.
moose_knuckler
Not only is a global flood impossible, there is absolutely no evidence for it at all.
Continental drift has nothing to do with the flood myth either, unless you believe that continents are floating chunks of rock that can be pushed around by water (which they aren't).
If there was a great flood, how come so many animals have survived? You don't think really think that a boat could fit 5-100 million animals of each gender on it?
Well I'm trying to answer everyone's but I'd recommend looking up what the size of the ark was and see if math equations say it could still be buoyant be using some size divided by weight displacment equation. Really most of you're questions should go to ask.com or google. While you may say a global flood is impossible, you really need to realize who you're talking about lol. The Bible mentions that water came out of the ground and rained as well, which is why you can find fresh-water springs shooting out of parts of the ocean (http://l.editthispage.com/2000/09/12, best I could find about it trying to find one where Coast Guard uses these springs for extra fresh water storages.Are you joking? You're talking about buoyancy? For a boat to fit 10-200 million animals on it, it would have to be half the size of Australia (rough estimate :lol: )
Yes, water exists in underground streams (most of these streams are fed by rain), and in the form of clouds. But that's still nowhere near enough water to create a global flood. There is no sedimentary evidence whatsoever for this flood. It's not a "maybe" that evidence would exist in sedimentary rock or soil, it WOULD exist. You could dig a huge hole anywhere in the world and see the signs of a global flood with your bare eyes (if you know how to interpret it). A global flood is also completely contradicted by the incredible number of animals and plants that exist on our planet.
[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="BR1NG3R"]Good luck proving science wrong on this one. sSubZerOo???? Moose, perhapes you don't understand but the field of geology contridicts you.. You know those band of "pesky" scientists with PHD's who have been collecting data for decades on numerous facets of our planet.. You have that one piece of hilarious "example" they have literally billions of pieces of evidence.I truly don't understand how I'm contradicting any geology, any links to show that large masses of water can't do what I've been talking about would be nice to see.
Wait, please tell me what logic or evidence I've "bended" and I'll be sure to clarify.moose_knucklerThe irony.. Noah's Ark? Its logically and scientifically impossible.. A global flood would have wiped out all plant and the majority of insect life.. I am sorry if this is hard to understand, but you can't just grab a pair of each animal and think everything is gonna be "A" ok after. Its quite amusing that you don't realize this.Well this is probably where we fall back to the first question to begin with, it's hard to understand the power of God (back to square one I guess :P). Trust me I do realize what you're talking about (how you assume and find it "amusing" is beyond me. It's like you're trying to disprove two seperate things, you can keep going on and on as to how something may be impossible but then not realizing this is God we're talking about here. Although you may not intend to say that, you're just throwing me off as to how you're wording things. I don't understand how Noah's Ark is impossible (it doesn't look the cartoony version you see in kid's books), how you do I find amusing. When it comes to insect life, there's probably a bunch of theories or ideas as to how they're still here (and annoying me atm). At the end of the story Noah sends out a dove to find land and comes back with an olive branch in it's mouth so yes, plant's were still around. Ah guys long behold mooses genious.. "Don't doubt it, because god is all powerful".. You drip of logic of a person living centuries.. God can not be proven, the being is no measurable and you do not have proof of him.. So what you are suggesting is this event which we have no records of happening at such a scale occured, and dealt with things that not only defy the laws of phyiscs, basic common sense, and biology.. You than say that its all possible because this being we have never seen or found any real evidence for it did it.. Man your debating skills are astounding.. But you contridict your self, why must you prove that water took out that one cement tube? Afterall god can do anything right? That being must have planted all those fossils and ochestrated everything... Why are you even argueing at all? Your conclusion is perfect and all that needs to be stated, "God did it".. Lets step back and look at that for a few minutes.
Moose, perhapes you don't understand but the field of geology contridicts you.. You know those band of "pesky" scientists with PHD's who have been collecting data for decades on numerous facets of our planet.. You have that one piece of hilarious "example" they have literally billions of pieces of evidence.I truly don't understand how I'm contradicting any geology, any links to show that large masses of water can't do what I've been talking about would be nice to see. Good god man use google I am not gonna post you something that you can find within a breaths away.. You make it sound like the information is hard to find.. How bout this you open a BOOK about geology and TRY to read it.[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]????moose_knuckler
[QUOTE="Adrianstalker"]
[QUOTE="BR1NG3R"]There's plenty of proof against the God of the bible. There is none against an undefinable God. magnax1
Exactly
First of all you cant disprove something that has no evidence on either side of the debate and please show me your rock hard evidence against the god in the bible.
You probably won't listen, so why bother? I've wasted my time on Christian fundamentalists before, so I know what it feels like to talk to a wall. If this universe and its laws isn't enough proof that the Christian God is a lie, then you have made up your mind.[QUOTE="magnax1"][QUOTE="Adrianstalker"]
Exactly
BR1NG3R
First of all you cant disprove something that has no evidence on either side of the debate and please show me your rock hard evidence against the god in the bible.
You probably won't listen, so why bother? I've wasted my time on Christian fundamentalists before, so I know what it feels like to talk to a wall. If this universe and its laws isn't enough proof that the Christian God is a lie, then you have made up your mind.The universe can have laws, and there can still be a god. You make no logical sense at all. If anyone is talking to a brick wall right now its me, because you wotn even show me proof. I'm not a christian fundamentalist. I dont even go to church, but you cant prove or disprove god.
[QUOTE="BR1NG3R"][QUOTE="magnax1"]
First of all you cant disprove something that has no evidence on either side of the debate and please show me your rock hard evidence against the god in the bible.
You probably won't listen, so why bother? I've wasted my time on Christian fundamentalists before, so I know what it feels like to talk to a wall. If this universe and its laws isn't enough proof that the Christian God is a lie, then you have made up your mind.The universe can have laws, and there can still be a god. You make no logical sense at all. If anyone is talking to a brick wall right now its me, because you wotn even show me proof. I'm not a christian fundamentalist. I dont even go to church, but you cant prove or disprove god.
... He never said god doesn't exist.. He merely pointed out that the god taken from the bible interpreted literally has been disproven.. That is all.. That the events with in the Bible such as Noahs ark taken literally is false.[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="FlyingArmbar"]
Not only is a global flood impossible, there is absolutely no evidence for it at all.
Continental drift has nothing to do with the flood myth either, unless you believe that continents are floating chunks of rock that can be pushed around by water (which they aren't).
If there was a great flood, how come so many animals have survived? You don't think really think that a boat could fit 5-100 million animals of each gender on it?
Well I'm trying to answer everyone's but I'd recommend looking up what the size of the ark was and see if math equations say it could still be buoyant be using some size divided by weight displacment equation. Really most of you're questions should go to ask.com or google. While you may say a global flood is impossible, you really need to realize who you're talking about lol. The Bible mentions that water came out of the ground and rained as well, which is why you can find fresh-water springs shooting out of parts of the ocean (http://l.editthispage.com/2000/09/12, best I could find about it trying to find one where Coast Guard uses these springs for extra fresh water storages.Are you joking? You're talking about buoyancy? For a boat to fit 10-200 million animals on it, it would have to be half the size of Australia (rough estimate :lol: )
Yes, water exists in underground streams (most of these streams are fed by rain), and in the form of clouds. But that's still nowhere near enough water to create a global flood. There is no sedimentary evidence whatsoever for this flood. It's not a "maybe" that evidence would exist in sedimentary rock or soil, it WOULD exist. You could dig a huge hole anywhere in the world and see the signs of a global flood with your bare eyes (if you know how to interpret it). A global flood is also completely contradicted by the incredible number of animals and plants that exist on our planet.
Umm.....what? I don't think you understand, he didn't bring all the animals with on the boat ride. 2 of each for unclean animals (male and female), and 7 pairs of clean animals were brought to the Ark by God. I don't think you understand the concept of condensation either as for finding signs of a flood, there's reason to believe it's the North and South Pole since most.......argh thinking of the word, let's say "Bible studiers" believe the world before the flood didn't have polar ice caps or a huge difference of temperature from where you traveled (from Florida to Wisconsin let's say).You probably won't listen, so why bother? I've wasted my time on Christian fundamentalists before, so I know what it feels like to talk to a wall. If this universe and its laws isn't enough proof that the Christian God is a lie, then you have made up your mind.BR1NG3R
The universe can have laws, and there can still be a god. You make no logical sense at all. If anyone is talking to a brick wall right now its me, because you wotn even show me proof. I'm not a christian fundamentalist. I dont even go to church, but you cant prove or disprove god.
... He never said god doesn't exist.. He merely pointed out that the god taken from the bible interpreted literally has been disproven.. That is all.. That the events with in the Bible such as Noahs ark taken literally is false.lol feel free to send me that link[QUOTE="magnax1"][QUOTE="BR1NG3R"]You probably won't listen, so why bother? I've wasted my time on Christian fundamentalists before, so I know what it feels like to talk to a wall. If this universe and its laws isn't enough proof that the Christian God is a lie, then you have made up your mind.sSubZerOo
The universe can have laws, and there can still be a god. You make no logical sense at all. If anyone is talking to a brick wall right now its me, because you wotn even show me proof. I'm not a christian fundamentalist. I dont even go to church, but you cant prove or disprove god.
... He never said god doesn't exist.. He merely pointed out that the god taken from the bible interpreted literally has been disproven.. That is all.. That the events with in the Bible such as Noahs ark taken literally is false.They've had multiple accounts of other civilzations being flooded in that time period. As long as when they say the world, you think of the known world to them(jordan and Israel) , it makes plenty of sense.
Well I'm trying to answer everyone's but I'd recommend looking up what the size of the ark was and see if math equations say it could still be buoyant be using some size divided by weight displacment equation. Really most of you're questions should go to ask.com or google. While you may say a global flood is impossible, you really need to realize who you're talking about lol. The Bible mentions that water came out of the ground and rained as well, which is why you can find fresh-water springs shooting out of parts of the ocean (http://l.editthispage.com/2000/09/12, best I could find about it trying to find one where Coast Guard uses these springs for extra fresh water storages.moose_knuckler
Are you joking? You're talking about buoyancy? For a boat to fit 10-200 million animals on it, it would have to be half the size of Australia (rough estimate :lol: )
Yes, water exists in underground streams (most of these streams are fed by rain), and in the form of clouds. But that's still nowhere near enough water to create a global flood. There is no sedimentary evidence whatsoever for this flood. It's not a "maybe" that evidence would exist in sedimentary rock or soil, it WOULD exist. You could dig a huge hole anywhere in the world and see the signs of a global flood with your bare eyes (if you know how to interpret it). A global flood is also completely contradicted by the incredible number of animals and plants that exist on our planet.
Umm.....what? I don't think you understand, he didn't bring all the animals with on the boat ride. 2 of each for unclean animals (male and female), and 7 pairs of clean animals were brought to the Ark by God. I don't think you understand the concept of condensation either as for finding signs of a flood, there's reason to believe it's the North and South Pole since most.......argh thinking of the word, let's say "Bible studiers" believe the world before the flood didn't have polar ice caps or a huge difference of temperature from where you traveled (from Florida to Wisconsin let's say). Hence why the majority of so called "Bible studiers" are the laughing stock of the science community... Such organizations have never found any evidence that held up to scrutiny to ever be accepted..You probably won't listen, so why bother? I've wasted my time on Christian fundamentalists before, so I know what it feels like to talk to a wall. If this universe and its laws isn't enough proof that the Christian God is a lie, then you have made up your mind.[QUOTE="BR1NG3R"][QUOTE="magnax1"]
First of all you cant disprove something that has no evidence on either side of the debate and please show me your rock hard evidence against the god in the bible.
magnax1
The universe can have laws, and there can still be a god. You make no logical sense at all. If anyone is talking to a brick wall right now its me, because you wotn even show me proof.
First of all I never denied God. I only denied the God of the Bible. Here's a few reasons why.1. Creationism is false
2. The Earth is much older than the Bible says
3. The Flood never happened
4. It's impossible for a human to do magic.
5. The Earth is not the center of the universe
6. Who says we are the image of God?
7. The bible is just a book of morality, any interpretation in a literal sense is inane and illogical.
8. There's no evidence of Jesus.
9. Adam & Eve is incest.
So why would the Christian God be the true God then? I don't see too many compelling reasons.
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The universe can have laws, and there can still be a god. You make no logical sense at all. If anyone is talking to a brick wall right now its me, because you wotn even show me proof. I'm not a christian fundamentalist. I dont even go to church, but you cant prove or disprove god.
... He never said god doesn't exist.. He merely pointed out that the god taken from the bible interpreted literally has been disproven.. That is all.. That the events with in the Bible such as Noahs ark taken literally is false.They've had multiple accounts of other civilzations being flooded in that time period. As long as when they say the world, you think of the known world to them(jordan and Israel) , it makes plenty of sense.
That is not literal, that is rational interpretation.. Something one can not make the difference within the Bible due to being it unclear rather it was a metaphor or not.. People a few hundred years ago believed it to be fact and literal, it was only our OUTSIDE understanding of the world that has changed are interpretation, not the bible it self.[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Burden of proof's on you.Funky_LlamaI'm confused, are you wanting me to find a link about the Dam story (lol) or something in the realm of proof the Flood had happened or......something else entirely?Or prove that your little non-sequitur there is of any consequence whatsoever to God's existence. Oh, and no longer presenting wild speculation as evidence would be nice too.Whoa if you think I'm basing God's existance by the tie-in of how the Flood is possible to the Earth's landscape, I think you have me all wrong. I think you have wild speculation mixed with something like un-controlled events leading to a determination.
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[QUOTE="BR1NG3R"]You probably won't listen, so why bother? I've wasted my time on Christian fundamentalists before, so I know what it feels like to talk to a wall. If this universe and its laws isn't enough proof that the Christian God is a lie, then you have made up your mind.BR1NG3R
The universe can have laws, and there can still be a god. You make no logical sense at all. If anyone is talking to a brick wall right now its me, because you wotn even show me proof.
First of all I never denied God. I only denied the God of the Bible. Here's a few reasons why. 1. Creationism is false 2. The Earth is much older than the Bible says 3. The Flood never happened 4. It's impossible for a human to do magic tricks 5. The Earth is not the center of the universe 6. Who says we are the image of God? 7. The bible is just a book of morality, any interpretation in a literal sense is inane and illogical. 8. There's no evidence of Jesus. 9. Adam & Eve is incest. So why would the Christian God be the true God then? I don't see too many compelling reasons.I could do the exact opposite without any proof. Ill give it a try
1-No solid evidence for evolution
2-Multiple people have gotten the age of the earth wrong before, why aren't we wrong again?
3-There was a major flood during the time period the bible was reffering to in the flood story
4-You cant prove people cant make miracles
5-(got a point here) but this was meant as the spiritual center (kind of cheating)
6- Who says we aren't the image of god?
I'm done because the rest are just dumb.
[QUOTE="magnax1"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] ... He never said god doesn't exist.. He merely pointed out that the god taken from the bible interpreted literally has been disproven.. That is all.. That the events with in the Bible such as Noahs ark taken literally is false.sSubZerOo
They've had multiple accounts of other civilzations being flooded in that time period. As long as when they say the world, you think of the known world to them(jordan and Israel) , it makes plenty of sense.
That is not literal, that is rational interpretation.. Something one can not make the difference within the Bible due to being it unclear rather it was a metaphor or not.. People a few hundred years ago believed it to be fact and literal, it was only our OUTSIDE understanding of the world that has changed are interpretation, not the bible it self.Actually, it was martin luthers different interpretation and our understanding of the world but you make a good point.
1-No solid evidence for evolutionmagnax1I lol'd.
[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="FlyingArmbar"]Umm.....what? I don't think you understand, he didn't bring all the animals with on the boat ride. 2 of each for unclean animals (male and female), and 7 pairs of clean animals were brought to the Ark by God. I don't think you understand the concept of condensation either as for finding signs of a flood, there's reason to believe it's the North and South Pole since most.......argh thinking of the word, let's say "Bible studiers" believe the world before the flood didn't have polar ice caps or a huge difference of temperature from where you traveled (from Florida to Wisconsin let's say). Hence why the majority of so called "Bible studiers" are the laughing stock of the science community... Such organizations have never found any evidence that held up to scrutiny to ever be accepted..Are you joking? You're talking about buoyancy? For a boat to fit 10-200 million animals on it, it would have to be half the size of Australia (rough estimate :lol: )
Yes, water exists in underground streams (most of these streams are fed by rain), and in the form of clouds. But that's still nowhere near enough water to create a global flood. There is no sedimentary evidence whatsoever for this flood. It's not a "maybe" that evidence would exist in sedimentary rock or soil, it WOULD exist. You could dig a huge hole anywhere in the world and see the signs of a global flood with your bare eyes (if you know how to interpret it). A global flood is also completely contradicted by the incredible number of animals and plants that exist on our planet.
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The same goes for bible studiers mocking some of the science community (evolutionists I stricly mean), let me know how the 36th or is it 37th finding of the "missing link" turns out for ya (not you in particular lol). I don't think you understand, that's the reason FOR science lol. Bible studiers, are there to try and interpret the Bible.
1. Evolution has been proven to occurI could do the exact opposite without any proof. Ill give it a try
1-No solid evidence for evolution
2-Multiple people have gotten the age of the earth wrong before, why aren't we wrong again?
3-There was a major flood during the time period the bible was reffering to in the flood story
4-You cant prove people cant make miracles
5-(got a point here) but this was meant as the spiritual center (kind of cheating)
6- Who says we aren't the image of god?
I'm done because the rest are just dumb.
magnax1
2. Those multiple people didn't have epistomological science discoveries to back them up
3. Source?
4. Alright then bring my grandfather back to life.
[QUOTE="magnax1"]1-No solid evidence for evolutionFunky_LlamaI lol'd.
OMG, they have no proof that species can evolve into new species, only proff that they can slowly elvolve to adapt slightly to there environment. If this was true there would be skeletons of half ape men all over the place, there are none.
[QUOTE="magnax1"]1-No solid evidence for evolutionFunky_LlamaI lol'd.Ahh so this is the kind-of guy I've been arguing with then, sad that I realize this now. Found any luck with "the missing link" yet? Or do you guys have a "official" set-time date for how old the Earth is?
I lol'd.[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="magnax1"]1-No solid evidence for evolutionmagnax1
OMG, they have no proof that species can evolve into new species, only proff that they can slowly elvolve to adapt slightly to there environment. If this was true there would be skeletons of half ape men all over the place, there are none.
You obviously have not looked into this in any depth whatsoever from credible sources.
Why does everyone always skip over my questions? It's like when I asked "If nothing can exist outside of space and time then how can God exist outside of space and time?" They never get answered!
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Quiet you. how dare you question the almighty GOD :evil:
this cracks me up (languange)
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I lol'd.BumFluff122
OMG, they have no proof that species can evolve into new species, only proff that they can slowly elvolve to adapt slightly to there environment. If this was true there would be skeletons of half ape men all over the place, there are none.
You obviously have not looked into this in any depth whatsoever from credible sources.Link them, and I'll do my best to without laughing :P.Edit: Nah seriously, I will. Getting tired of endless typing.
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="magnax1"]1-No solid evidence for evolutionmoose_knucklerI lol'd.Ahh so this is the kind-of guy I've been arguing with then, sad that I realize this now. Found any luck with "the missing link" yet? Or do you guys have a "official" set-time date for how old the Earth is?Plenty of missing links have been found, so I suppose you could say yes. Oh, and it's possible to estimate the earth's age and it's a lot older than 6000 years. Just, you know, FYI >_>
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