I WANT to believe in God

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="magnax1"]1-No solid evidence for evolutionmoose_knuckler

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in lab (link): 20 years ago a single bacteria of ecoli was used to produce 12 laboratory populations. over 44,000 generations later one of those populations has gained the ability to metabolise citrate. Studies are currently being done on the frozen specimens of past generations to figure out exactly why this occurred.

All we need is one example of epistomological evidence to show something is possible. Therefor evolution, even on small scales, is possible as proven by the example above. The recent outbreak of swine flu virus is another example of this giving that it is a mutation of influenza, swine flu and bird flu. The common flu is even another example. You can read one way in which viruses can mutate here which is, of course, why different strains of viruses become immune to certain medicines.

Now that we know that evolution does indeed take place we have to find examples of it occuring in the past amongst multicellular eukaryotic organisms. We can do this through transitionary fossils. Though a common theistic misconception is that transitional fossils do not exist and have not be found the exact opposite is true. Wikipedia lists a number of transitionary fossils of which the evolution of the horse and it's fossil records is probably full of the best examples. So infact transitionary fossils do exist. You can also view the top 7 list of transitionary fossils provided by leading scientists here. Below is a picture of a 'transitional creature' that currently exists known as a mudskipper. It has fins that can also be used as arms to drag itself along the ground.

But have they shown themselves in the transition from prehistoric ape to modern man? If you'll look at the very bottom of this list of transitionary fossils you'll see the answer. Human evolution involves many transitionary species. Below is an image giving the names of each of these transitionary species and when they existed.

But how do we know that all these different species weren't just that; different species, that merely died out? Below is a small list of 3 videos with explanations for each video underneath.

Video 1 : Video 2 : Video 3

Video 1 states that codons for glutamic acid in alpha and beta chains in hemoglobin in 3 different primates have a 1 in 16,777,216 chance of being there by chance.

Video 2 states that the gene codes responsible for the final step in vitamin C synthesis reside within humans. The problem is our bodies can not synthesize vitamin C. Mysteriously other primates also have this gene yet can not produce their own Vitamin C. Is this evidence for a flawed designer? Evolution gives us a reason as well as confirmation through testable predictions.

Video 3 states that DNA evidence for viral infections show themselves in our own DNA. However they also show themselves in the DNA of other primates. The more closely they are related to us the more viral DNA evidence we have between us. But there is not just one strand of viral DNA evidence but 16 strands. The possibility of 16 different viruses inserting themselves into the exact same location in the DNA of multiple species (primates) is approximately 2.0574 x 10^139 (or more if I counted wrong :D).

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="magnax1"]1-No solid evidence for evolutionmagnax1

OMG, they have no proof that species can evolve into new species, only proff that they can slowly elvolve to adapt slightly to there environment. If this was true there would be skeletons of half ape men all over the place, there are none.

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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I lol'd.BumFluff122

OMG, they have no proof that species can evolve into new species, only proff that they can slowly elvolve to adapt slightly to there environment. If this was true there would be skeletons of half ape men all over the place, there are none.

See this is the sad thing, every time I ask for a source to back up claims no one will show me. Show me the half ape man, show me a link between gorrillas and humans, or anything else. This is just getting sad.

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[QUOTE="magnax1"]

The universe can have laws, and there can still be a god. You make no logical sense at all. If anyone is talking to a brick wall right now its me, because you wotn even show me proof.

magnax1

I could do the exact opposite without any proof. Ill give it a try

1-No solid evidence for evolution

2-Multiple people have gotten the age of the earth wrong before, why aren't we wrong again?

3-There was a major flood during the time period the bible was reffering to in the flood story

4-You cant prove people cant make miracles

5-(got a point here) but this was meant as the spiritual center (kind of cheating)

6- Who says we aren't the image of god?

I'm done because the rest are just dumb.

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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I lol'd.Funky_Llama

OMG, they have no proof that species can evolve into new species, only proff that they can slowly elvolve to adapt slightly to there environment. If this was true there would be skeletons of half ape men all over the place, there are none.

Because to have a human evolve into an ape the way that I was taught in high school, they would have to slowly evolve, so there would be a transition animal or animals between humans and the ape.

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[QUOTE="magnax1"]

The universe can have laws, and there can still be a god. You make no logical sense at all. If anyone is talking to a brick wall right now its me, because you wotn even show me proof.

magnax1

I could do the exact opposite without any proof. Ill give it a try

1-No solid evidence for evolution

2-Multiple people have gotten the age of the earth wrong before, why aren't we wrong again?

3-There was a major flood during the time period the bible was reffering to in the flood story

4-You cant prove people cant make miracles

5-(got a point here) but this was meant as the spiritual center (kind of cheating)

6- Who says we aren't the image of god?

I'm done because the rest are just dumb.

1. Yes, there is. Look into it sometime. Here are a few links you'll find interesting, and they are just touching upon the overwhelming evidence for evolution:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7215/full/nature07189.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7085/full/nature04639.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7085/full/nature04637.html

2. We could be wrong. The evidence says that we are not. Besides, people in the past did not have the scientific resources and technology we currently possess.

3. Proof. Even if it happened, could not the mythology be merely an expansion of an event?

4. Argument to ignorance. You also can't prove that unicorns don't exist, that fairies don't exist, and that the flying spaghetti monster does not exist.

5. As you say yourself, he has a point.

6. Who says God was not created in our image?

The rest are not "dumb". Let me comment.

7. I very much agree that literal interpretations of the Bible are idiotic.

8. There is no evidence that Jesus was the son of God, I am fairly sure he meant to say. There is a very, very underwhelming and unconvincing amount of evidence for the resurrection.

9. Not familiar enough with Christian mythology to address this.

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[QUOTE="magnax1"]

OMG, they have no proof that species can evolve into new species, only proff that they can slowly elvolve to adapt slightly to there environment. If this was true there would be skeletons of half ape men all over the place, there are none.

magnax1

See this is the sad thing, every time I ask for a source to back up claims no one will show me. Show me the half ape man, show me a link between gorrillas and humans, or anything else. This is just getting sad.

DNA is made of a chain of 4 bases (Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine and Thymine) and a complimentary strand that is paired to it. Sometimes when the DNA polymerase copies the DNA sequence mistakes can occur. One type of mutation is a simple base/pair change such as ACG -> ATG and TGC -> TAC. Another type of change, which usually has severe consequences, is one in which whole segments are replaced or deleted which can have adverse effects on how the gene works. An example of this is sickle cell disease.

A change in an organisms DNA can cause change in all aspects of life. Mutations can be beneficial, neutral or harmful to an organism. If the mutation is of a non-somatic type, or a type in which the mutated genes won't be passed on to the offspring such as a mutated sequence in a cell that does not form gametes (eg. mutations in skin, muscle or liver tissue), evolution does not occur and the mutation won't be passed on to the offspring.However if the opposite is true and the mutation is passed on to the offspring if that mutation is beneficial to the organism and allows it to survive longer in it's environment or be more sexually active in that environment that organism will produce more offspring and the mutation will be distributed to their offspring and so on.

Next I will discuss the similarities between modern chimp and human DNA. As is widely known, of the 3 billion base pairs of chromosones within the human genome only 1.2% differ from that of the modern chimp.

One example of gene differentiation between modern chimps and modern humans is at a gene known as FOXP2 that may help explain why we talk and chimps don't. An earlier study with a British family with an inherited severe deficiency in speech discovered the cause was an altered version of the gene FOXP2. Amazingly this same altered form occurs in chimps as well.This study went on to show the humans gained the speech friendly form of the gene approximately 150,000 years ago.

It is also common knowledge amongst debaters of evolution that primates have 1 more chromosone pair than modern humans do. This is a common argument amongst theists to try and discredit evolution. Scientists believe that this occurred because of the fusion of two chromosone pairs which should be shown in our genome. The location of the fusion has been localized to chromosone 2 base number 114 455 823 to 114 455 838. Click here to view the video associated with this fact.

I would love to also believe in God. I find myself talking to SOMEONE or SOMETHING every now and then, because I find the world too sad sometimes to not do so. So if somehow something like this was real, I would be happy about it. Unfortunately, I think most of the time I just look at myself as kind of looney, talking to air. Theres no real use arguing over this type of stuff, we are what we are, and maybe the after life is just the fact that we don't have to worry about it anymore.

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[QUOTE="magnax1"]

OMG, they have no proof that species can evolve into new species, only proff that they can slowly elvolve to adapt slightly to there environment. If this was true there would be skeletons of half ape men all over the place, there are none.

magnax1

See this is the sad thing, every time I ask for a source to back up claims no one will show me. Show me the half ape man, show me a link between gorrillas and humans, or anything else. This is just getting sad.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Taung_child_(Frankfurt_am_Main)_2.jpg

[QUOTE="magnax1"]1-No solid evidence for evolutionFunky_Llama

Funky_Llama wins this one lol.

I'm being serious, by the way :P.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

OMG, they have no proof that species can evolve into new species, only proff that they can slowly elvolve to adapt slightly to there environment. If this was true there would be skeletons of half ape men all over the place, there are none.

magnax1

Because to have a human evolve into an ape the way that I was taught in high school, they would have to slowly evolve, so there would be a transition animal or animals between humans and the ape.

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I lol'd.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="magnax1"]1-No solid evidence for evolutionmagnax1

OMG, they have no proof that species can evolve into new species, only proff that they can slowly elvolve to adapt slightly to there environment. If this was true there would be skeletons of half ape men all over the place, there are none.

I'm guessing you'd also like us to produce the remnants of a "fronkey". :roll:

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[QUOTE="BR1NG3R"] First of all I never denied God. I only denied the God of the Bible. Here's a few reasons why. 1. Creationism is false 2. The Earth is much older than the Bible says 3. The Flood never happened 4. It's impossible for a human to do magic tricks 5. The Earth is not the center of the universe 6. Who says we are the image of God? 7. The bible is just a book of morality, any interpretation in a literal sense is inane and illogical. 8. There's no evidence of Jesus. 9. Adam & Eve is incest. So why would the Christian God be the true God then? I don't see too many compelling reasons.

chessmaster1989

I could do the exact opposite without any proof. Ill give it a try

1-No solid evidence for evolution

2-Multiple people have gotten the age of the earth wrong before, why aren't we wrong again?

3-There was a major flood during the time period the bible was reffering to in the flood story

4-You cant prove people cant make miracles

5-(got a point here) but this was meant as the spiritual center (kind of cheating)

6- Who says we aren't the image of god?

I'm done because the rest are just dumb.

1. Yes, there is. Look into it sometime. Here are a few links you'll find interesting, and they are just touching upon the overwhelming evidence for evolution:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7215/full/nature07189.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7085/full/nature04639.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7085/full/nature04637.html

2. We could be wrong. The evidence says that we are not. Besides, people in the past did not have the scientific resources and technology we currently possess.

3. Proof. Even if it happened, could not the mythology be merely an expansion of an event?

4. Argument to ignorance. You also can't prove that unicorns don't exist, that fairies don't exist, and that the flying spaghetti monster does not exist.

5. As you say yourself, he has a point.

6. Who says God was not created in our image?

The rest are not "dumb". Let me comment.

7. I very much agree that literal interpretations of the Bible are idiotic.

8. There is no evidence that Jesus was the son of God, I am fairly sure he meant to say. There is a very, very underwhelming and unconvincing amount of evidence for the resurrection.

9. Not familiar enough with Christian mythology to address this.

Thank you for actaully trying to prove your point with evidence.

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[QUOTE="BR1NG3R"] First of all I never denied God. I only denied the God of the Bible. Here's a few reasons why. 1. Creationism is false 2. The Earth is much older than the Bible says 3. The Flood never happened 4. It's impossible for a human to do magic tricks 5. The Earth is not the center of the universe 6. Who says we are the image of God? 7. The bible is just a book of morality, any interpretation in a literal sense is inane and illogical. 8. There's no evidence of Jesus. 9. Adam & Eve is incest. So why would the Christian God be the true God then? I don't see too many compelling reasons.

BR1NG3R

I could do the exact opposite without any proof. Ill give it a try

1-No solid evidence for evolution

2-Multiple people have gotten the age of the earth wrong before, why aren't we wrong again?

3-There was a major flood during the time period the bible was reffering to in the flood story

4-You cant prove people cant make miracles

5-(got a point here) but this was meant as the spiritual center (kind of cheating)

6- Who says we aren't the image of god?

I'm done because the rest are just dumb.

I'm actually laughing my ass off right now. Evolution is one of the most well-supported scientific theories that exists.

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[QUOTE="magnax1"]

I could do the exact opposite without any proof. Ill give it a try

1-No solid evidence for evolution

2-Multiple people have gotten the age of the earth wrong before, why aren't we wrong again?

3-There was a major flood during the time period the bible was reffering to in the flood story

4-You cant prove people cant make miracles

5-(got a point here) but this was meant as the spiritual center (kind of cheating)

6- Who says we aren't the image of god?

I'm done because the rest are just dumb.

magnax1

1. Yes, there is. Look into it sometime. Here are a few links you'll find interesting, and they are just touching upon the overwhelming evidence for evolution:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7215/full/nature07189.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7085/full/nature04639.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7085/full/nature04637.html

2. We could be wrong. The evidence says that we are not. Besides, people in the past did not have the scientific resources and technology we currently possess.

3. Proof. Even if it happened, could not the mythology be merely an expansion of an event?

4. Argument to ignorance. You also can't prove that unicorns don't exist, that fairies don't exist, and that the flying spaghetti monster does not exist.

5. As you say yourself, he has a point.

6. Who says God was not created in our image?

The rest are not "dumb". Let me comment.

7. I very much agree that literal interpretations of the Bible are idiotic.

8. There is no evidence that Jesus was the son of God, I am fairly sure he meant to say. There is a very, very underwhelming and unconvincing amount of evidence for the resurrection.

9. Not familiar enough with Christian mythology to address this.

Thank you for actaully trying to prove your point with evidence.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="magnax1"]

They've had multiple accounts of other civilzations being flooded in that time period. As long as when they say the world, you think of the known world to them(jordan and Israel) , it makes plenty of sense.

Actually, it was martin luthers different interpretation and our understanding of the world but you make a good point.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

I could do the exact opposite without any proof. Ill give it a try

1-No solid evidence for evolution

2-Multiple people have gotten the age of the earth wrong before, why aren't we wrong again?

3-There was a major flood during the time period the bible was reffering to in the flood story

4-You cant prove people cant make miracles

5-(got a point here) but this was meant as the spiritual center (kind of cheating)

6- Who says we aren't the image of god?

I'm done because the rest are just dumb.

magnax1

1. Yes, there is. Look into it sometime. Here are a few links you'll find interesting, and they are just touching upon the overwhelming evidence for evolution:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7215/full/nature07189.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7085/full/nature04639.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7085/full/nature04637.html

2. We could be wrong. The evidence says that we are not. Besides, people in the past did not have the scientific resources and technology we currently possess.

3. Proof. Even if it happened, could not the mythology be merely an expansion of an event?

4. Argument to ignorance. You also can't prove that unicorns don't exist, that fairies don't exist, and that the flying spaghetti monster does not exist.

5. As you say yourself, he has a point.

6. Who says God was not created in our image?

The rest are not "dumb". Let me comment.

7. I very much agree that literal interpretations of the Bible are idiotic.

8. There is no evidence that Jesus was the son of God, I am fairly sure he meant to say. There is a very, very underwhelming and unconvincing amount of evidence for the resurrection.

9. Not familiar enough with Christian mythology to address this.

Thank you for actaully trying to prove your point with evidence.

Appreciated if you'd read those links. I know they're hard to get through (scientific journal articles ftl :(), but it's a worthwhile read. They pertain to the development of tetrapods from fish.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Ahh so this is the kind-of guy I've been arguing with then, sad that I realize this now. Found any luck with "the missing link" yet? Or do you guys have a "official" set-time date for how old the Earth is?moose_knuckler

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

1. Yes, there is. Look into it sometime. Here are a few links you'll find interesting, and they are just touching upon the overwhelming evidence for evolution:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7215/full/nature07189.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7085/full/nature04639.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7085/full/nature04637.html

2. We could be wrong. The evidence says that we are not. Besides, people in the past did not have the scientific resources and technology we currently possess.

3. Proof. Even if it happened, could not the mythology be merely an expansion of an event?

4. Argument to ignorance. You also can't prove that unicorns don't exist, that fairies don't exist, and that the flying spaghetti monster does not exist.

5. As you say yourself, he has a point.

6. Who says God was not created in our image?

The rest are not "dumb". Let me comment.

7. I very much agree that literal interpretations of the Bible are idiotic.

8. There is no evidence that Jesus was the son of God, I am fairly sure he meant to say. There is a very, very underwhelming and unconvincing amount of evidence for the resurrection.

9. Not familiar enough with Christian mythology to address this.

Funky_Llama

Thank you for actaully trying to prove your point with evidence.

Now, Funky, to be fair, those are three articles that are difficult to get through :P. If he'd responded already, I would know he hadn't read them ;).

Thank you for actaully trying to prove your point with evidence.

magnax1

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Umm.....what? I don't think you understand, he didn't bring all the animals with on the boat ride. 2 of each for unclean animals (male and female), and 7 pairs of clean animals were brought to the Ark by God. I don't think you understand the concept of condensation either as for finding signs of a flood, there's reason to believe it's the North and South Pole since most.......argh thinking of the word, let's say "Bible studiers" believe the world before the flood didn't have polar ice caps or a huge difference of temperature from where you traveled (from Florida to Wisconsin let's say).moose_knuckler

The same goes for bible studiers mocking some of the science community (evolutionists I stricly mean), let me know how the 36th or is it 37th finding of the "missing link" turns out for ya (not you in particular lol). I don't think you understand, that's the reason FOR science lol. Bible studiers, are there to try and interpret the Bible.

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Thank you for actaully trying to prove your point with evidence.

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="magnax1"]

Thank you for actaully trying to prove your point with evidence.

chessmaster1989

Now, Funky, to be fair, those are three articles that are difficult to get through :P. If he'd responded already, I would know he hadn't read them ;).

No solid evidence for evolution, eh?Welkabonz

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

1. Yes, there is. Look into it sometime. Here are a few links you'll find interesting, and they are just touching upon the overwhelming evidence for evolution:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7215/full/nature07189.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7085/full/nature04639.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7085/full/nature04637.html

2. We could be wrong. The evidence says that we are not. Besides, people in the past did not have the scientific resources and technology we currently possess.

3. Proof. Even if it happened, could not the mythology be merely an expansion of an event?

4. Argument to ignorance. You also can't prove that unicorns don't exist, that fairies don't exist, and that the flying spaghetti monster does not exist.

5. As you say yourself, he has a point.

6. Who says God was not created in our image?

The rest are not "dumb". Let me comment.

7. I very much agree that literal interpretations of the Bible are idiotic.

8. There is no evidence that Jesus was the son of God, I am fairly sure he meant to say. There is a very, very underwhelming and unconvincing amount of evidence for the resurrection.

9. Not familiar enough with Christian mythology to address this.

Funky_Llama

Thank you for actaully trying to prove your point with evidence.

Sorry I had to go to the bathroom really bad. So if they have found a fish that walks with its fins, why cant they find the fish between the one that walks with its fins and the normal fish? It just doesnt make sense. Also there can be a God and evolution at the same time. I was just trying to prove a point to that guy.

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Plenty of missing links have been found, so I suppose you could say yes. Oh, and it's possible to estimate the earth's age and it's a lot older than 6000 years. Just, you know, FYI >_>Funky_Llama

Edit: http://creationwiki.org/Nephilim

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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]And thank you for bothering to respond properly to it. Oh wait.Funky_Llama

Now, Funky, to be fair, those are three articles that are difficult to get through :P. If he'd responded already, I would know he hadn't read them ;).

Heh, I kind of doubt that he will. Those articles are hard to get through... :|

I only read them because I wrote a paper on the Tiktaalik roseae for my core bio class...

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="magnax1"]

Thank you for actaully trying to prove your point with evidence.

Now, Funky, to be fair, those are three articles that are difficult to get through :P. If he'd responded already, I would know he hadn't read them ;).

@Bumfluff Could you just give the link to those? Hard for me to read on here.moose_knuckler

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in lab: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html

Wikipedia list of transitionary fossils: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

A list of 7 of the top transitionary fossils: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/photogalleries/darwin-birthday-evolution/

Video 3 (You can watch the first two if you want as well): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUxLR9hdorI&feature=PlayList&p=F626DD5B2C1F0A87&index=8

Why do primates have 1 more chromosone than humans? Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]lol do you not understand that ANY of those "missing links" found have been disproven normally because there's insuffcient data or they're bones of other animals (ex: Monkey with ribs of a dolphin or of some sort). As for the age of the Earth, I have yet to see proof of it being billions of years old, or millions for that matter.moose_knuckler

Oh, and please. 13-foot angel-human crossbreeds. Please tell me you're trolling. U_U

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]lol do you not understand that ANY of those "missing links" found have been disproven normally because there's insuffcient data or they're bones of other animals (ex: Monkey with ribs of a dolphin or of some sort). As for the age of the Earth, I have yet to see proof of it being billions of years old, or millions for that matter.moose_knuckler

Have fun at college :|

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]And thank you for bothering to respond properly to it. Oh wait.sSubZerOo

Now, Funky, to be fair, those are three articles that are difficult to get through :P. If he'd responded already, I would know he hadn't read them ;).

I just replied no more need to talk about this. also some evidence against evolution

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/bowdenmalcolm/evol.htm

I know its not a great source, but ill keep on looking for a logical arguement from a better source.

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[QUOTE="magnax1"]

Thank you for actaully trying to prove your point with evidence.

BR1NG3R

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]@Bumfluff Could you just give the link to those? Hard for me to read on here.BumFluff122

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in lab: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html

Wikipedia list of transitionary fossils: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

A list of 7 of the top transitionary fossils: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/photogalleries/darwin-birthday-evolution/

Video 3 (You can watch the first two if you want as well): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUxLR9hdorI&feature=PlayList&p=F626DD5B2C1F0A87&index=8

Why do primates have 1 more chromosone than humans? Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="magnax1"]

Thank you for actaully trying to prove your point with evidence.

magnax1

Sorry I had to go to the bathroom really bad. So if they have found a fish that walks with its fins, why cant they find the fish between the one that walks with its fins and the normal fish? It just doesnt make sense. Also there can be a God and evolution at the same time. I was just trying to prove a point to that guy.

It was 11 minutes between when I posted those links and when you responded thus, including the time you were in the bathroom. There is absolutely no chance that you thoroughly read those articles in that time. Your post pretty much reveals that.

There can be God and evolution at the same time. That is not the concern here. The original speculation was that there is no evidence for evolution. That is completely false.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]And thank you for bothering to respond properly to it. Oh wait.Funky_Llama

Now, Funky, to be fair, those are three articles that are difficult to get through :P. If he'd responded already, I would know he hadn't read them ;).

To be fair, he responded. In your defense, it's fairly obvious he didn't actually read them :P.

[QUOTE="BR1NG3R"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Please look at page 11 again.

BumFluff122

Sorry I had to go to the bathroom really bad. So if they have found a fish that walks with its fins, why cant they find the fish between the one that walks with its fins and the normal fish? It just doesnt make sense. Also there can be a God and evolution at the same time. I was just trying to prove a point to that guy.

magnax1

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]lol do you not understand that ANY of those "missing links" found have been disproven normally because there's insuffcient data or they're bones of other animals (ex: Monkey with ribs of a dolphin or of some sort). As for the age of the Earth, I have yet to see proof of it being billions of years old, or millions for that matter.moose_knuckler

Edit: http://creationwiki.org/Nephilim

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Now, Funky, to be fair, those are three articles that are difficult to get through :P. If he'd responded already, I would know he hadn't read them ;).

I just replied no more need to talk about this. also some evidence against evolution

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/bowdenmalcolm/evol.htm

I know its not a great source, but ill keep on looking for a logical arguement from a better source.

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Monkeys with ribs of a dolphin? O_o Anyway. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Taung_child_(Frankfurt_am_Main)_2.jpg What would you suggest that is?Funky_Llama

Oh, and please. 13-foot angel-human crossbreeds. Please tell me you're trolling. U_U

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Now, Funky, to be fair, those are three articles that are difficult to get through :P. If he'd responded already, I would know he hadn't read them ;).

chessmaster1989

To be fair, he responded. In your defense, it's fairly obvious he didn't actually read them :P.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Now, Funky, to be fair, those are three articles that are difficult to get through :P. If he'd responded already, I would know he hadn't read them ;).

magnax1

I just replied no more need to talk about this. also some evidence against evolution

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/bowdenmalcolm/evol.htm

I know its not a great source, but ill keep on looking for a logical arguement from a better source.

That link was posted the other day. It's entire argument rests upon a few holes in the theory of evolution, and ignores the overwhelming evidence in favor of evolution. It's basically doing the equivalent of denying gravity because we have not yet discovered what precisely causes it.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Well I'm not a scientist but it just looks like a monkey at face value to me. Although you're now diving into a whole other realm of something mentioned in the Bible. These things called the Nephilim, were basically the cross-breeds between fallen angels and women (no lie, I find it really disgusting) that's why there's findings of these huge guys (somewhere close to 13-ft. or a bit higher) in the ground, my edit will have a link or two.moose_knuckler

Oh, and please. 13-foot angel-human crossbreeds. Please tell me you're trolling. U_U

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Now, Funky, to be fair, those are three articles that are difficult to get through :P. If he'd responded already, I would know he hadn't read them ;).

chessmaster1989

To be fair, he responded. In your defense, it's fairly obvious he didn't actually read them :P.

Firstly I did read the one about the fish which walked on its fins, and it made very little sense to me because it was just talking about bone structure mostly, and I should be less wide when i talk about no evidence for evolution. There is evidence for evolution, but not a species evolving into another species.

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]

Monkeys with ribs of a dolphin? O_o Anyway. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Taung_child_(Frankfurt_am_Main)_2.jpg What would you suggest that is?Funky_Llama

Edit: http://creationwiki.org/Nephilim

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Well I'm not a scientist but it just looks like a monkey at face value to me. Although you're now diving into a whole other realm of something mentioned in the Bible. These things called the Nephilim, were basically the cross-breeds between fallen angels and women (no lie, I find it really disgusting) that's why there's findings of these huge guys (somewhere close to 13-ft. or a bit higher) in the ground, my edit will have a link or two.

Edit: http://creationwiki.org/Nephilim

moose_knuckler