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#151 LikeHaterade
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It's funny how I_Am_Rage is one of the few users who isn't trolling in this topic.jointed

It's funny how I_Am_Rage is one of the few users who is trolling in this topic.

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#152 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="jointed"]It's funny how I_Am_Rage is one of the few users who isn't trolling in this topic.I_Am_Rage
Thank you! Exactly! Trolls are calling non-trolls, trolls! I've seen it all now!

How do you know what a troll is?

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#153 auron_16
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[QUOTE="auron_16"][QUOTE="I_Am_Rage"] I thought I was going to have a discussion, not deal with a bunch a tweens trying to impress their friends.I_Am_Rage
says the user who created the topic. ;)

And you're still trying to impress your friends with that reply! Sheesh! Boring!

is that meant to belittle my response?
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#154 I_Am_Rage
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[QUOTE="I_Am_Rage"][QUOTE="jointed"]It's funny how I_Am_Rage is one of the few users who isn't trolling in this topic.Silverbond

Thank you! Exactly! Trolls are calling non-trolls, trolls! I've seen it all now!

How do you know what a troll is?

Everyone knows what a troll is. This isn't my first forum you know.
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#155 howlrunner13
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[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="I_Am_Rage"] Thank you! Exactly! Trolls are calling non-trolls, trolls! I've seen it all now!I_Am_Rage

How do you know what a troll is?

Everyone knows what a troll is. This isn't my first forum you know.

Not your first account either eh?;)

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#156 I_Am_Rage
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So, someone tell me, what's the average age of users here? Because I was expecting a little more well-thought out discussion and hearty debate than I'm getting. This just appears to be a bunch of kids joking around. I thought since this site was on cnet's network, I'd get a little more maturity in my topic. Guess I was wrong?
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#157 Silverbond
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Can someone tell me what's going on?
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#158 joao_22990
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So i'm guessing this thread hasn't reached any logic conclusion after 8 pages, right? [spoiler] sigh. smh [/spoiler]
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#159 Shad0ki11
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So, someone tell me, what's the average age of users here? Because I was expecting a little more well-thought out discussion and hearty debate than I'm getting. This just appears to be a bunch of kids joking around. I thought since this site was on cnet's network, I'd get a little more maturity in my topic. Guess I was wrong?I_Am_Rage

You're on a videogame website. Minors outnumber adults here. What do you expect? o_o

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#160 LikeHaterade
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So, someone tell me, what's the average age of users here? Because I was expecting a little more well-thought out discussion and hearty debate than I'm getting. This just appears to be a bunch of kids joking around. I thought since this site was on cnet's network, I'd get a little more maturity in my topic. Guess I was wrong?I_Am_Rage

I don't know. Was I being immature?

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#161 dragonmaster64
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So, someone tell me, what's the average age of users here? Because I was expecting a little more well-thought out discussion and hearty debate than I'm getting. This just appears to be a bunch of kids joking around. I thought since this site was on cnet's network, I'd get a little more maturity in my topic. Guess I was wrong?I_Am_Rage
your post was a good read. yea their are some pretty childish people here in Gamespot who have nothing better to do but troll. just ignore them theyre prob jelous because they didnt come up with what you wrote.
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#162 I_Am_Rage
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So i'm guessing this thread hasn't reached any logic conclusion after 8 pages, right? [spoiler] sigh. smh [/spoiler] joao_22990
I wasn't expecting a conclusion, were you? I was just hoping I'd get a few folks to share their thoughts, instead I got a group of junior high schoolers ganging up on me trying to make me feel unwanted. Not what I expected. Why are kids causing trouble online? Don't teenagers go TP'ing people's houses anymore? Or making dry ice bombs? Or streaking? You guys are missing out on a whole lot of fun staying inside all the time.
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#163 I_Am_Rage
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[QUOTE="I_Am_Rage"]So, someone tell me, what's the average age of users here? Because I was expecting a little more well-thought out discussion and hearty debate than I'm getting. This just appears to be a bunch of kids joking around. I thought since this site was on cnet's network, I'd get a little more maturity in my topic. Guess I was wrong?dragonmaster64
your post was a good read. yea their are some pretty childish people here in Gamespot who have nothing better to do but troll. just ignore them theyre prob jelous because they didnt come up with what you wrote.

Why thank you. :) It's good to know not everybody here is a troll. It's really baffling to me what they get out of it. They should be using their spare time to explore life, learn something new. Or at least play a video game!
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#164 howlrunner13
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[QUOTE="dragonmaster64"][QUOTE="I_Am_Rage"]So, someone tell me, what's the average age of users here? Because I was expecting a little more well-thought out discussion and hearty debate than I'm getting. This just appears to be a bunch of kids joking around. I thought since this site was on cnet's network, I'd get a little more maturity in my topic. Guess I was wrong?I_Am_Rage
your post was a good read. yea their are some pretty childish people here in Gamespot who have nothing better to do but troll. just ignore them theyre prob jelous because they didnt come up with what you wrote.

Why thank you. :) It's good to know not everybody here is a troll. It's really baffling to me what they get out of it. They should be using their spare time to explore life, learn something new. Or at least play a video game!

Why are you getting on everyone else? You should take your own advice, as reading your posts you are just as childish.

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#166 FalcoLX
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From my point of view, this kind of discussion is irrelevant. Humans are imperfect and incapable of fully comprehending God. He is omnipotent and defies any logical conventions. We will never discover true proof of God's existence because there is none, but a lack of proof doesn't prove a lack of existence. Proof denies faith.
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#167 I_Am_Rage
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[QUOTE="I_Am_Rage"]So, someone tell me, what's the average age of users here? Because I was expecting a little more well-thought out discussion and hearty debate than I'm getting. This just appears to be a bunch of kids joking around. I thought since this site was on cnet's network, I'd get a little more maturity in my topic. Guess I was wrong?Shad0ki11

You're on a videogame website. Minors outnumber adults here. What do you expect? o_o

Yes kids play games, but so do I. The last time I checked most gamers were in their mid to late 20's, which isn't suprising since the time when those people were young was when gaming was really starting to boom. I just thought I'd run into the older gamers here who may be at work killing time or what-not. I figured the younger kids would actually be playing their games right now, or at least out having fun while they're still young. Before they have to work for a living.... oh dreary life.
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#168 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="joao_22990"]So i'm guessing this thread hasn't reached any logic conclusion after 8 pages, right? [spoiler] sigh. smh [/spoiler] I_Am_Rage
I wasn't expecting a conclusion, were you? I was just hoping I'd get a few folks to share their thoughts, instead I got a group of junior high schoolers ganging up on me trying to make me feel unwanted. Not what I expected. Why are kids causing trouble online? Don't teenagers go TP'ing people's houses anymore? Or making dry ice bombs? Or streaking? You guys are missing out on a whole lot of fun staying inside all the time.

Insulting people isn't the way to get serious responses.

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#169 FalcoLX
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[QUOTE="dragonmaster64"][QUOTE="I_Am_Rage"]So, someone tell me, what's the average age of users here? Because I was expecting a little more well-thought out discussion and hearty debate than I'm getting. This just appears to be a bunch of kids joking around. I thought since this site was on cnet's network, I'd get a little more maturity in my topic. Guess I was wrong?I_Am_Rage
your post was a good read. yea their are some pretty childish people here in Gamespot who have nothing better to do but troll. just ignore them theyre prob jelous because they didnt come up with what you wrote.

Why thank you. :) It's good to know not everybody here is a troll. It's really baffling to me what they get out of it. They should be using their spare time to explore life, learn something new. Or at least play a video game!

Maybe you should use your spare time somewhere other than Gamespot making new accounts:o
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#170 jimmyjammer69
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The idea that free will and determinism are antitheses results from our living a temporal existence. If we agree that God isn't bound by time, then God's omniscience and omnipotence are no longer contradictory. Of course, this could all be BS if your second theory stands - that we're desperate to ascribe goodness to God because it's the only good reason for having faith in the first place, which I'd agree with.
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#171 I_Am_Rage
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[QUOTE="auron_16"][QUOTE="howlrunner13"]Why are you getting on everyone else? You should take your own advice, as reading your posts you are just as childish.

nailed.

But of course you're going to say that. What's the point of that? You feel bad now, so you want to get me back? This really is childish. I don't play these games anymore. I gotta do some stuff around the office now anyway, so see you all later.
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#172 joao_22990
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I wasn't expecting a conclusion, were you? I was just hoping I'd get a few folks to share their thoughts, instead I got a group of junior high schoolers ganging up on me trying to make me feel unwanted. Not what I expected. Why are kids causing trouble online? Don't teenagers go TP'ing people's houses anymore? Or making dry ice bombs? Or streaking? You guys are missing out on a whole lot of fun staying inside all the time.I_Am_Rage
Well, this IS ot, so you should know how people act here about such petty things. I will probably be the first to ask that, when you came to the conclusion you came, did the though "maybe a human is not smart enough to handle logic that is meant to be beyond our fragile understanding of the universe"? That is what people most need to hear, and delve over. [spoiler] Yes, petty. [/spoiler]

Also, i'm pretty sure you're just trolling.

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#173 LikeHaterade
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? This really is childish. I don't play these games anymore. I gotta do some stuff around the office now anyway, so see you all later.I_Am_Rage

Take care. Even though you ignored my posts and didn't cover all your points.

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#174 howlrunner13
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[QUOTE="I_Am_Rage"]? This really is childish. I don't play these games anymore. I gotta do some stuff around the office now anyway, so see you all later.LikeHaterade

Take care. Even though you ignored my posts and didn't cover all your points.

What points? He didn't even have an argument. But anyway, I'll stop responding to this thread so it can die.

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#175 harashawn
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Maybe you should use your spare time somewhere other than Gamespot making new accounts:oFalcoLX
Indeed. Ban dodging is pointless.
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#176 alphamale1989
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So God knew that we were going to screw up when He made us, your right. So should he have not given us free will? God doesn't live in this world, so he is not part of our 'time', he is not anchored to his knowlege of our future on Earth. In the next paragraph your puting yourself in God's shoes - assuming that you can rationalize the train of though of a Being that created everything, and knows everything that has, and was gone on. After that you say religion should be done away with: heres you logic: Since: God doesn't exist, and was though up by man. Therefore: religion must be done away with ... and you are ABSOLUTLY right! If God doesn't exist then religion is a bunch of silly fantasys. But your arguments against God's existance aren't very convincing. The first part of your post is an unsucessful atempt at refuting God, and the second part depends on the idea that God is a lie.
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#177 I_Am_Rage
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[QUOTE="howlrunner13"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

? This really is childish. I don't play these games anymore. I gotta do some stuff around the office now anyway, so see you all later.I_Am_Rage

Take care. Even though you ignored my posts and didn't cover all your points.

What points? He didn't even have an argument. But anyway, I'll stop responding to this thread so it can die.

Is that how you convince yourself? Of course I made points. You think I don't know? Sheesh. AANNDD.... I'm not a "he"!
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#178 I_Am_Rage
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So God knew that we were going to screw up when He made us, your right. So should he have not given us free will? God doesn't live in this world, so he is not part of our 'time', he is not anchored to his knowlege of our future on Earth. In the next paragraph your puting yourself in God's shoes - assuming that you can rationalize the train of though of a Being that created everything, and knows everything that has, and was gone on. After that you say religion should be done away with: heres you logic: Since: God doesn't exist, and was though up by man. Therefore: religion must be done away with ... and you are ABSOLUTLY right! If God doesn't exist then religion is a bunch of silly fantasys. But your arguments against God's existance aren't very convincing. The first part of your post is an unsucessful atempt at refuting God, and the second part depends on the idea that God is a lie.alphamale1989
This is really a sweet attempt at trying to correct me, it really is, but it's obvious to me you just haven't thought this through long enough. You say that God is not anchored to his knowledge of our future on Earth, but if he is all-knowing, then yes he would be, he wouldn't even have a choice. He will know. Of course God would live in our world if he is truly omnipresent, because he would live in all worlds simultaneously! After that, you say that I'm trying to rationalize a being that created everything, but what did you just do in the sentence before that? You did the same thing. In fact all believers do the same thing. Trying to describe God as best they can, without realizing that it's just the way they would want God to be. It comes down to wishful thinking. You have no proof for anything you are saying about God. So, you couldn't possibly approach me with a "I'm here to correct you" attitude. You just can't do that, logically. If you had proof, you could approach me like that, but you don't, so it's nothing more than your opinion against mine. But you got your opinion from doctrine, and sorry to tell you, but that doesn't hold much ground. If you ask why, well, that's because it's something you came across one way or another, and adopted it, rather than something you formulated on your own. On top of that, the doctrine you adopted hasn't ever been verified as being accurate, at any point in time. And I'm only rationalizing it as far as a human mind can, or at least as far as my mind can, and what could be wrong with that?
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#179 Lief_Ericson
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God knows where Waldo is, but seriously he knows what he is going to do because he does it like when you make a sandwich you know you are making it
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#180 sAndroid17
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very interesting post, well done
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#181 kingdre
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[QUOTE="joao_22990"]So i'm guessing this thread hasn't reached any logic conclusion after 8 pages, right? [spoiler] sigh. smh [/spoiler]

I've yet to see a religion topic reach a logical conclusion in OT.
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#182 I_Am_Rage
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The idea that free will and determinism are antitheses results from our living a temporal existence. If we agree that God isn't bound by time, then God's omniscience and omnipotence are no longer contradictory. Of course, this could all be BS if your second theory stands - that we're desperate to ascribe goodness to God because it's the only good reason for having faith in the first place, which I'd agree with.jimmyjammer69
Personally I think people made up God to justify themselves.
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#183 AlphaRail
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I don't believe in god, but, I don't think by "all knowing" it is meant that he knows the future...could even mean that he knows what we are doing, but not thinking..it can be interpreted in many ways. Someone who doesn't believe in god would probably come with what you thought of first.
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#184 I_Am_Rage
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Maybe you should use your spare time somewhere other than Gamespot making new accounts:oFalcoLX
Maybe you should use your spare time doing something other than accusing me of things I'm not doing! :o
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#185 I_Am_Rage
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very interesting post, well donesAndroid17
Thank you very much. :)