If only Gary Oldman wasnt playing somebody else in the batman movies already, I can see him playing a fantastic joker if they made the character a bit older.
I doubt anyone would have made a big deal about his death if it wasn't related to the movie. It is suggested that he committed suicide because he took his part so internally that it caused him to become the Joker. I think that is why people are making such a big deal about it... because his delivery of the role will be (I haven't seen it yet) utterly fantastic.foxhound_fox
I love how many theories there are on Heath's death. :lol: The one I heard was that he was trying to relieve the pressure put on him from filming.
[QUOTE="Trelaf_TheWise"]it's not like he died of a disease or an accident or something...I mean he killed himself. Why the hell should we care? Rich hollywood actor who has all the money and all the women he wants doesn't want to live?---> Go **** yourself then, Amirite?blazinpuertoroc
Did he kill himself? I read that his doctor accidentally gave him a drug overdose...
probably killed him self...taking too many sleeping pill is death waiting to happen. People fall under the pressure, you cant blame him. Money and girls isnt everything
Wrong. Heath Ledger had serious anxiety issues his whole life, and especially while filming Dark Knight because of all the pressure. So, he couldn't sleep, and on top of that he was having tons of pain so he got put on painkillers and sleeping meds and anxiety medication, and you can't mix medication like that, and he did.
this kind of thing happens whenever someone dies just when they are just reaching their peak or at the height of their fame. nirvana is a classic example.
Thats the truth whether you wanna accept it or not.
He may have been really good in Dark Knight, but people are going overboard, and thats only because everything is being amplified just because of what happened. If he was still alive people would be saying, yeah he was good. Now people are claiming its one of the best performances ever...
I guess thats just the way it is for all entertainers though, from music to acting. Too bad people dont get all the attention while they are still alive, they'd probably like it a lot more.
R.I.P Heath Ledger
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This happens all the time people don't really appreciate there work until they die
[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="totalmachine"]Personally, I believe people are watching this more because it's a chance to see Ledger's final acting position. I don't think they're calling the greatest movie ever because he died! I think they're saying it was a really good movie to pay their respects to a good actor in his final movie. Anyone agree?-Twilight-
Probably right, although from what I've heard Ledger was pretty spectacular, so he deserves the praise... I guess...
I'm not saying he didn't put on one of the greatest performances, I'm just sayin that's why everyone is making it a bigger deal than it should be. :P
In the case of "making things a big deal", imagine his performance as what it was, and nobody cared :|. I'd imagine any celebirty dying would be made a big deal of. The TC makes it sound as though there was a worldwide televised broadcast of the movie and his burial.
DUDE! All I'm saying is that the movie is getting more attention cuz the actor died! The end.
Whatever dude. Dead or alive, no one can touch his performance. He'll be getting that Oscar, post-humously, or not. Please don't disrespect the dead by saying they didn't deserve their accomplishments. :|
[QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="totalmachine"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="totalmachine"]Personally, I believe people are watching this more because it's a chance to see Ledger's final acting position. I don't think they're calling the greatest movie ever because he died! I think they're saying it was a really good movie to pay their respects to a good actor in his final movie. Anyone agree?totalmachine
Probably right, although from what I've heard Ledger was pretty spectacular, so he deserves the praise... I guess... I'm not saying he didn't put on one of the greatest performances, I'm just sayin that's why everyone is making it a bigger deal than it should be. :PIn the case of "making things a big deal", imagine his performance as what it was, and nobody cared :|. I'd imagine any celebirty dying would be made a big deal of. The TC makes it sound as though there was a worldwide televised broadcast of the movie and his burial.DUDE! All I'm saying is that the movie is getting more attention cuz the actor died! The end.
Very true. But not all of the attention is going to the movie simply because he died. I (like many people) went to see it because he seemed amazing in the role (which he was).
[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="totalmachine"]Personally, I believe people are watching this more because it's a chance to see Ledger's final acting position. I don't think they're calling the greatest movie ever because he died! I think they're saying it was a really good movie to pay their respects to a good actor in his final movie. Anyone agree?totalmachine
Probably right, although from what I've heard Ledger was pretty spectacular, so he deserves the praise... I guess...
I'm not saying he didn't put on one of the greatest performances, I'm just sayin that's why everyone is making it a bigger deal than it should be. :P
In the case of "making things a big deal", imagine his performance as what it was, and nobody cared :|. I'd imagine any celebirty dying would be made a big deal of. The TC makes it sound as though there was a worldwide televised broadcast of the movie and his burial.
DUDE! All I'm saying is that the movie is getting more attention cuz the actor died! The end.
I know, my point was that the movie and his performance is definitely not a bigger deal "than it should be" whatever the hell that means. He died for christ sake, what was the reaction supposed to be? Act like everything is alright and undermine his brilliant work?
I totally forgot he was dead when I watched it. No, people aren't going overboard, his performance was that fantastic, one of my friends had no idea who he was and was shocked for his fantastic performance.
To say the reaction to Dark Night and Heath's performance is undeserved is ridiculous. It was the single best performance of a villain in any movie I've ever seen, regardless of whether Heath died or not. Heath really did steal the show, and whenever he was off screen I found myself wanting him on screen again. He played it with the perfect dark, creepiness while still being humorous. mfacek
I agree completely. True, it may be getting extra hype from those who really don't care about the movie but just want to see his last performance. However, don't degrade his performance because you think it's undeserved. It is deserved...
He IS the single best villain I've ever seen in a movie, amazing and life-changing. Bale is great, but as countless critics have said, this movie might has well have been titled "The Joker" because it immortalized him.
I've never been a fan of Ledgers work, but I have to say, after sing The Dark Knight, it was without a doubt the best role he's done. Was funny, disturbing, and insane all at the same time, just like The Joker should be portrayed. He hit the nail on the head with that role. The only thing I think that sucks, is that he wont be around to play The Joker again.
I somewhat agree with what you said. It could be a psychological thing that people have set themselves for. If you set a standard you will find a way to enjoy anything and see the good points in it. I havent seen the movie yet so I cant judge his performance (he is usually great, A Knights Tale was brilliant) but that could play a role in it. I wont treat the movie any differently just becuase the dudes dead, I will critique it any other movie. It might be the ducks nuts, or I might find it boring, but one thing is for sure and that is that I wont let his death play a role in my opinion.
Yeah it truely is sad to be honest but it seems people get more recognition when they're..no longer..living..fuzzmuffin
Heath Ledger will go down in history as one of the best criminal performances of all time. Have you seen TDK? It blew me away. Even I wasn't expecting it to be that dark, deep, rich and amazing.
There were some small, minute complaints I have, but now that i think about it, they are hardly relevant to the plot as such, or the story as a whole. TDK was a brilliant movie, the best of 2008, and ranks in my top 5 best movies of all time. Its incredible that such a genre specific movie could be so insanely good.
I thought the movie was good...nowhere near the best movies of all time...
And while yes, Heath Ledger was good...I really dont think it was one of the best displays of acting of all time like you people are making it out to be. And im sticking with my original statement, if Heath Ledger wasn't dead, his performance wouldnt be regarded so highly...its just being put more on the spotlight and people are overamplifying it.
I thought the movie was good...nowhere near the best movies of all time...
And while yes, Heath Ledger was good...I really dont think it was one of the best displays of acting of all time like you people are making it out to be. And im sticking with my original statement, if Heath Ledger wasn't dead, his performance wouldnt be regarded so highly...its just being put more on the spotlight and people are overamplifying it.
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Actually, he playued The Joker perfectly, and The Joker is considered one of the greatest villans of all time. So yeah, its kinda easy to see why people will say its one of the best performances theyve ever seen. And a lot of people were hyped about his role before Heath died.
I thought the movie was good...nowhere near the best movies of all time...
And while yes, Heath Ledger was good...I really dont think it was one of the best displays of acting of all time like you people are making it out to be. And im sticking with my original statement, if Heath Ledger wasn't dead, his performance wouldnt be regarded so highly...its just being put more on the spotlight and people are overamplifying it.
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Actually, he playued The Joker perfectly, and The Joker is considered one of the greatest villans of all time. So yeah, its kinda easy to see why people will say its one of the best performances theyve ever seen. And a lot of people were hyped about his role before Heath died.
I've been hyped about this movie for more then a year. With that said I do think Heath Ledgers performance is one of the best performances I've ever seen.
[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="totalmachine"]Personally, I believe people are watching this more because it's a chance to see Ledger's final acting position. I don't think they're calling the greatest movie ever because he died! I think they're saying it was a really good movie to pay their respects to a good actor in his final movie. Anyone agree?-Twilight-
Probably right, although from what I've heard Ledger was pretty spectacular, so he deserves the praise... I guess...
I'm not saying he didn't put on one of the greatest performances, I'm just sayin that's why everyone is making it a bigger deal than it should be. :P
In the case of "making things a big deal", imagine his performance as what it was, and nobody cared :|. I'd imagine any celebirty dying would be made a big deal of. The TC makes it sound as though there was a worldwide televised broadcast of the movie and his burial.
DUDE! All I'm saying is that the movie is getting more attention cuz the actor died! The end.
I know, my point was that the movie and his performance is definitely not a bigger deal "than it should be" whatever the hell that means. He died for christ sake, what was the reaction supposed to be? Act like everything is alright and undermine his brilliant work?
Wow. We're arguing over a dead guy. That's pathetic dude. :P
He was great in the movie, the movie is a hit, and we need to stop arguing over nothing. Deal?
[QUOTE="totalmachine"][QUOTE="-Twilight-"][QUOTE="totalmachine"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="totalmachine"]Personally, I believe people are watching this more because it's a chance to see Ledger's final acting position. I don't think they're calling the greatest movie ever because he died! I think they're saying it was a really good movie to pay their respects to a good actor in his final movie. Anyone agree?scorch-62
Probably right, although from what I've heard Ledger was pretty spectacular, so he deserves the praise... I guess... I'm not saying he didn't put on one of the greatest performances, I'm just sayin that's why everyone is making it a bigger deal than it should be. :PIn the case of "making things a big deal", imagine his performance as what it was, and nobody cared :|. I'd imagine any celebirty dying would be made a big deal of. The TC makes it sound as though there was a worldwide televised broadcast of the movie and his burial.DUDE! All I'm saying is that the movie is getting more attention cuz the actor died! The end.
Very true. But not all of the attention is going to the movie simply because he died. I (like many people) went to see it because he seemed amazing in the role (which he was).
I agree, don't get me wrong. He was spectacular, Oscar worthy!
I thought the movie was good...nowhere near the best movies of all time...
And while yes, Heath Ledger was good...I really dont think it was one of the best displays of acting of all time like you people are making it out to be. And im sticking with my original statement, if Heath Ledger wasn't dead, his performance wouldnt be regarded so highly...its just being put more on the spotlight and people are overamplifying it.
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I have to disagree.Stop acting like ur opinion is everything.The THE DARK KNIGHT was being hyped greatly before his death,his death helped the film alot, but don't get it twisted the movie was picking up before he passed.Also not everyone will like his performance.I have seen people say al pachino is overrated.The majority think he played the joker great and a tiny few think it was decent.(EVERY SINGLE MOVIE HAS SOME PEOPLE WHO DONT LIKE IT.Stop trying to change people opinion
Yeah probably. People at my work are saying it's the best movie that's ever been made. Now, I haven't seen it, so I can't judge for myself, but that is one bold claim. It's up against stiff competition.
[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]I agree. His acting was amazing, but peple are blowing it up. It was definately one of the best villians in a movie, though.super_mario_128
Perhaps he was the best actor to play a villain then?
Maybe not the best, but definately one of the best
If Heath Ledger wasn't dead people wouldn't be making such a big deal about people making such a big deal.
I think you are underestimating how much hype was building for his performance just based on the initial clips that came out before he died. If anything, you can attribute the astronomical ticket sales to his death. But his ability to portray a character like the Joker in such an entertaining and simultaneously chilling way in what amounts to one of the best super hero/crime dramas ever is legit. I usually entertain counterarguments to my opinion, but this is one movie and one performance where I don't even think I can give a dissenting opinion a chance.
I'm not sure how much his death contributed to my personal view of his performance. I was hyped up last fall before he died when the pictures of him with the Joker makeup on came out. After seeing the movie, I thought he was one of the best movie villains of at least the last 10 years. Probably since Hannibal Lecter. This Joker was that unpredictable, insane and violent. You never knew what was going to happen next when he was onscreen. I gasped at the magic pencil trick, that was just nuts.
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