If Iran does not give British troops ever does Britain will go to war with iran?

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#1 mohan88
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Let say about 4 or 5 months that iran never gives the British troops. So is Britain gonna go to war with Iran?
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#2 Loonie
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I would hope so. (I'm British btw)
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#3 UbAdm
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Most likely. If the US doesn't first.
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#4 MCGSMB
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I hope so.
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#5 bluezy
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Sounds like Israel-Lebanon, with the troop thing.
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#6 EboyLOL
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Probably... this could get to be a very messy situation.
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#7 LJS9502_basic  Online
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I'd say yes.....
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As much trouble as Iran is, I don't think any country really wants a war with Iran. But if it comes to that, I'm sure it could happen.
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Probably... this could get to be a very messy situation.EboyLOL

It also means that once I've finished training with the TA, there's more of a chance that I'll have to go to war :| 

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Here is the British Army statistics............... Personnel (Regular Army) 107,730 Personnel (Territorial Army) 38,460 Main Battle Tanks 386 Challenger 2 Infantry fighting vehicles 667 Warrior (789 purchased) APCs and reconnaissance vehicles 3,230–4,000+ Land Rover Wolf 15,000 Pinzgauer 2,000 Utility Trucks 2,300 Artillery pieces and mortar 2,896 Air Defence 337 Aircraft 300+ British main tank is Challenger 2.
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[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]Probably... this could get to be a very messy situation.UbAdm

It also means that once I've finished training with the TA, there's more of a chance that I'll have to go to war :|

 

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the TA?

 

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I'd say so. If we were willing to go to war over the falkland islands i dont see why this wouldn't provoke it as well.
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[QUOTE="UbAdm"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]Probably... this could get to be a very messy situation.xXBuffJeffXx

It also means that once I've finished training with the TA, there's more of a chance that I'll have to go to war :|

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the TA?

Territorial Army. Sort of like a Part-Time member of the army.
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Maybe, but they had better not drag the rest of the UN with them.
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I don't think our government would jump into a war too quickly.
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[QUOTE="UbAdm"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]Probably... this could get to be a very messy situation.xXBuffJeffXx

It also means that once I've finished training with the TA, there's more of a chance that I'll have to go to war :|

 

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the TA?

 

Territorial Army. Basically you go through basic part-time while you work (during the weekens and week-nights), and they can pull you into Iraq at any time they like.

I might not be officially in, but apparently i stand a good chance. I don't actually do my phyiscal etc. until September 2008, because i wanted to train as an NCO and you have to be over 19 to do so.

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Maybe, but they had better not drag the rest of the UN with them.daniel52587
The UN should help.....
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[QUOTE="daniel52587"]Maybe, but they had better not drag the rest of the UN with them.LJS9502_basic
The UN should help.....

Sorry, I would rather not have to go to war to save some a group of British people. They would have to draft to go to war with Iran. They have a huge military. I, no way in hell, am going to fight a war for that. They can send some SAS after them.
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I say yes they will but no they should not.

This is exactly what diplomacy is about. I do not care if anyone says... "bu...but... they will not listen!" Of course they will... no matter how mad nuts someone is, if you offer them something they want, they will listen.

Possibly ending hundreds or thousands of lives just for the lives of a few soldiers is pathetic and this whole deal with doing it for national pride... *GAH*

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="daniel52587"]Maybe, but they had better not drag the rest of the UN with them.daniel52587
The UN should help.....

Sorry, I would rather not have to go to war to save some a group of British people. They would have to draft to go to war with Iran. They have a huge military. I, no way in hell, am going to fight a war for that. They can send some SAS after them.

Chances are the UN will help with sanctions, not military force. The USA would most likely join Britain in the war for a few reasons: 1) USA doesnt like Iran at the moment and would like an excuse to go to town with them, 2) Britain and America are close allies, especially after everything Tony Blair did for them.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="daniel52587"]Maybe, but they had better not drag the rest of the UN with them.daniel52587
The UN should help.....

Sorry, I would rather not have to go to war to save some a group of British people. They would have to draft to go to war with Iran. They have a huge military. I, no way in hell, am going to fight a war for that. They can send some SAS after them.

This reminds me of the Iran Hostage Crisis, am I the only one?
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#22 Loonie
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I say yes they will but no they should not.

This is exactly what diplomacy is about. I do not care if anyone says... "bu...but... they will not listen!" Of course they will... no matter how mad nuts someone is, if you offer them something they want, they will listen.

Possibly ending hundreds or thousands of lives just for the lives of a few soldiers is pathetic and this whole deal with doing it for national pride... *GAH*

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Its simply the principles involved. Iran thinks it can kidnapp some troops and it will give them some sort of upper hand, give in to whatever demands they may make and it would encourage them to do it again. You don't reward people when they misbehave, you punish them.
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#23 SuperBeast
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[QUOTE="mohan88"]Here is the British Army statistics............... Personnel (Regular Army) 107,730 Personnel (Territorial Army) 38,460 Main Battle Tanks 386 Challenger 2 Infantry fighting vehicles 667 Warrior (789 purchased) APCs and reconnaissance vehicles 3,230–4,000+ Land Rover Wolf 15,000 Pinzgauer 2,000 Utility Trucks 2,300 Artillery pieces and mortar 2,896 Air Defence 337 Aircraft 300+ British main tank is Challenger 2.

Wait a minute......That can't be right :| Iran has 5X that (at least with personnel)
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#24 mohan88
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[QUOTE="SuperBeast"][QUOTE="mohan88"]Here is the British Army statistics............... Personnel (Regular Army) 107,730 Personnel (Territorial Army) 38,460 Main Battle Tanks 386 Challenger 2 Infantry fighting vehicles 667 Warrior (789 purchased) APCs and reconnaissance vehicles 3,230–4,000+ Land Rover Wolf 15,000 Pinzgauer 2,000 Utility Trucks 2,300 Artillery pieces and mortar 2,896 Air Defence 337 Aircraft 300+ British main tank is Challenger 2.

Wait a minute......That can't be right :| Iran has 5X that (at least with personnel)

I got that stats at Wekipedia so it has to be right.
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Its simply the principles involved. Iran thinks it can kidnapp some troops and it will give them some sort of upper hand, give in to whatever demands they may make and it would encourage them to do it again. You don't reward people when they misbehave, you punish them.Loonie

Actually, rehabilitation works better.

Why punish the Iranian civilians for something the government/military did?

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[QUOTE="daniel52587"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="daniel52587"]Maybe, but they had better not drag the rest of the UN with them.Loonie
The UN should help.....

Sorry, I would rather not have to go to war to save some a group of British people. They would have to draft to go to war with Iran. They have a huge military. I, no way in hell, am going to fight a war for that. They can send some SAS after them.

Chances are the UN will help with sanctions, not military force. The USA would most likely join Britain in the war for a few reasons: 1) USA doesnt like Iran at the moment and would like an excuse to go to town with them, 2) Britain and America are close allies, especially after everything Tony Blair did for them.

I just dont see any logic in sending military force there. That would cause more deaths than the Iraqi war in a 4th of the time. A war with Iran would be a REAL war. I dont believe in trading like 12 lives for thousands.
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#27 X-gamer-88
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I don't think they are that stupid to start a war for 10-20 (I don't know the right number of soldiers) British soldiers. In a war they will lose more soldiers.
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USA would PWN Iran. Overblown "defense" budget FTW!
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[QUOTE="mohan88"][QUOTE="SuperBeast"][QUOTE="mohan88"]Here is the British Army statistics............... Personnel (Regular Army) 107,730 Personnel (Territorial Army) 38,460 Main Battle Tanks 386 Challenger 2 Infantry fighting vehicles 667 Warrior (789 purchased) APCs and reconnaissance vehicles 3,230–4,000+ Land Rover Wolf 15,000 Pinzgauer 2,000 Utility Trucks 2,300 Artillery pieces and mortar 2,896 Air Defence 337 Aircraft 300+ British main tank is Challenger 2.

Wait a minute......That can't be right :| Iran has 5X that (at least with personnel)

I got that stats at Wekipedia so it has to be right.

OMFG Wikipedia.... It *MUST* be correct then :roll:
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#30 joetira
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why would they go to war with Iran when they can just send SAS after them.
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#31 mohan88
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[QUOTE="SuperBeast"][QUOTE="mohan88"][QUOTE="SuperBeast"][QUOTE="mohan88"]Here is the British Army statistics............... Personnel (Regular Army) 107,730 Personnel (Territorial Army) 38,460 Main Battle Tanks 386 Challenger 2 Infantry fighting vehicles 667 Warrior (789 purchased) APCs and reconnaissance vehicles 3,230–4,000+ Land Rover Wolf 15,000 Pinzgauer 2,000 Utility Trucks 2,300 Artillery pieces and mortar 2,896 Air Defence 337 Aircraft 300+ British main tank is Challenger 2.

Wait a minute......That can't be right :| Iran has 5X that (at least with personnel)

I got that stats at Wekipedia so it has to be right.

OMFG Wikipedia.... It *MUST* be correct then :roll:

Are you being sarcasm?
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Ah Yes......Russia nuking Iran would be perfect
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

I say yes they will but no they should not.

This is exactly what diplomacy is about. I do not care if anyone says... "bu...but... they will not listen!" Of course they will... no matter how mad nuts someone is, if you offer them something they want, they will listen.

Possibly ending hundreds or thousands of lives just for the lives of a few soldiers is pathetic and this whole deal with doing it for national pride... *GAH*

We are humans... not animals... at least... I thought we were...
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Its simply the principles involved. Iran thinks it can kidnapp some troops and it will give them some sort of upper hand, give in to whatever demands they may make and it would encourage them to do it again. You don't reward people when they misbehave, you punish them.

I concur
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/26/wiran26.xml
"Today's meetings followed Tony Blair's warning last night that Iran has only a few days to find a diplomatic solution to the escalating crisis over the 15 missing British sailors and Marines."
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USA would PWN Iran. Overblown "defense" budget FTW!MCGSMB
Not to mention most the Pentagon,CIA,NSA,and overall military are calssified
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Why didn't the British soildersblow the Iranians heads off.....the have guns and are better trained
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Why didn't the British soildersblow the Iranians heads off.....the have guns and are better trained Xbox360gamer1
you surely dont think its that siple... do you?    :|
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#38 Loonie
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Actually, rehabilitation works better.

Why punish the Iranian civilians for something the government/military did?

foxhound_fox
Rehabilitation? I know its not what you mean but you make it sound like you want to send all of Iran to rehab. Iranian civilians elected their government into power and therefore must take some responsibility for its actions, IIRC Iran had an extremely high turn out at its last election. If the citizens want to do something then they can start a movement to release the soldiers, last I heard a group of Iranian students were demanding that Iranian prisoners in Iraq. Chances are they are prisoners in Iraq because they were caught smuggling weapons or something equally reprehensible. Either way they are being held by Americans so there isn't a whole lot the British can do. I know it sucks but pretty much all ways of dealing with countries hurt the populace more than the government. For example look at Zimbabwe, the UN has several sanctions against them but does it hurt Mugabe? Not really, just makes his country poorer I'm sure he is still managing to live a life of luxury. But short of going to war, there isn't much that can be done than use sanctions.
I got that stats at Wekipedia so it has to be right. mohan88
Oh yes it must be 100% irrefutibal fact if you found it on wikipedia.
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Britain would only go to war with Iran with the backing of at least the USA, Germany, France, Israel and Saudi Arabia. 

In a nutshell, the chances of the UK initiating a war with Iran over this are nnil. unless its a very elaborate election plan by BLair 

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I'd say yes they'll go to war with Iran if they don't return those soldiers.
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[QUOTE="mohan88"][QUOTE="SuperBeast"][QUOTE="mohan88"][QUOTE="SuperBeast"][QUOTE="mohan88"]Here is the British Army statistics............... Personnel (Regular Army) 107,730 Personnel (Territorial Army) 38,460 Main Battle Tanks 386 Challenger 2 Infantry fighting vehicles 667 Warrior (789 purchased) APCs and reconnaissance vehicles 3,230–4,000+ Land Rover Wolf 15,000 Pinzgauer 2,000 Utility Trucks 2,300 Artillery pieces and mortar 2,896 Air Defence 337 Aircraft 300+ British main tank is Challenger 2.

Wait a minute......That can't be right :| Iran has 5X that (at least with personnel)

I got that stats at Wekipedia so it has to be right.

OMFG Wikipedia.... It *MUST* be correct then :roll:

Are you being sarcasm?

No, of course not :roll:
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[QUOTE="SuperBeast"][QUOTE="mohan88"][QUOTE="SuperBeast"][QUOTE="mohan88"][QUOTE="SuperBeast"][QUOTE="mohan88"]Here is the British Army statistics............... Personnel (Regular Army) 107,730 Personnel (Territorial Army) 38,460 Main Battle Tanks 386 Challenger 2 Infantry fighting vehicles 667 Warrior (789 purchased) APCs and reconnaissance vehicles 3,230–4,000+ Land Rover Wolf 15,000 Pinzgauer 2,000 Utility Trucks 2,300 Artillery pieces and mortar 2,896 Air Defence 337 Aircraft 300+ British main tank is Challenger 2.

Wait a minute......That can't be right :| Iran has 5X that (at least with personnel)

I got that stats at Wekipedia so it has to be right.

OMFG Wikipedia.... It *MUST* be correct then :roll:

Are you being sarcasm?

No, of course not :roll:

Ok I am sorry for saying that. :)
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It actually doesn't matter how many soldiers both countries have. The US had the firepower and the right number of soldiers to start an invasion on Iraq and well they did a good job, they defeated the Iraqi army in less than, what, a month. But now, unfortunatly, they are losing the war with they trained soldiers and firepower.

 

 

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#44 mohan88
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Iran vs British If it does happen who wins?
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#45 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Iran is just holding them to distract from the nuclear arms talks.
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Iran vs British If it does happen who wins?mohan88

come on man!  if Britian invaded Iran, Iran would get erased from the map cause i think the US would get involved, and Iran wouldnt stand a chance against Britian and the US, the leaders of Iran may be stupid, but they aren't suicidal.

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[QUOTE="daniel52587"]Maybe, but they had better not drag the rest of the UN with them.LJS9502_basic
The UN should help.....

:lol: yeah right..
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It actually doesn't matter how many soldiers both countries have. The US had the firepower and the right number of soldiers to start an invasion on Iraq and well they did a good job, they defeated the Iraqi army in less than, what, a month. But now, unfortunatly, they are losing the war with they trained soldiers and firepower.

 

 

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actually its was less than 2 weeks, we arent losing the war but the media tries to portray it like that. Its just so hard to determine whos the enemy and who is not, its tough to say the situation there now but we do need to add more troops there
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="daniel52587"]Maybe, but they had better not drag the rest of the UN with them.UrbanSpartan125
The UN should help.....

:lol: yeah right..

I said should....not that they would.
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[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="daniel52587"]Maybe, but they had better not drag the rest of the UN with them.LJS9502_basic
The UN should help.....

:lol: yeah right..

I said should....not that they would.

if only the U.N. was more aggresive with enforcing its sanctions, they had the right idea its just really never works out well with war situations