If the Tea Party or Militias were composed primarily of minorities....

Would they be called Patriots? Would they be treated the same as the current iteration?

"Patriots" is a name they give themselves. "The Tea Party Patriots". Its not a label that anyone has given them. Once upon a time, there was a minority militia called the Black Panthers, and like the tea party, they were respected by some and hated by others.

Would they be called Patriots? Would they be treated the same as the current iteration?

Ultimas_Blade

They called themselves patriots.

Depends upon whom you are asking. I would consider them the same. I cannot say for others though.

Patriots rarely are actuality.. The Tea baggers are patriots upon their own warped view of America while having a facist like approach of neo conservativism.. Where its "my way or the highway" mentality.

They want spending to reduce, but don't want taxes to increase what so ever.. While at the same time in full favor of the United States's military and precense through out the world.. They are hypocritical to say the least.

The Tea baggers are patriots upon their own warped view of America sSubZerOo

Patriots rarely are actuality.. The Tea baggers are patriots upon their own warped view of America while having a facist like approach of neo conservativism.. Where its "my way or the highway" mentality.sSubZerOo

"Charles wants a peaceful solution to the country's woes, he said, but said the problems are reaching a point that "if the ballot box doesn't work, we may have to go to the bullet box. That's why we've got the Second Amendment."

Here. These guys hate democracy. If it's not their way, they'll threaten revolution.

I believe the Tea Party membership will continue to grow and will result in the greatest resurgence in conservatism in our nation's history, and lead the way to the restoration of our Constitutional founding principles in our federal government.

The Tea Party membership will continue to grow and will result in the greatest resurgence in conservatism in our nation's history, and lead the way to the restoration of our Constitutional founding principles in our federal government.

blackregiment

The Tea Party membership will continue to grow and will result in the greatest resurgence in conservatism in our nation's history, and lead the way to the restoration of our Constitutional founding principles in our federal government.

blackregiment

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]The Tea baggers are patriots upon their own warped view of America aransom

The Tea Party membership will continue to grow and will result in the greatest resurgence in conservatism in our nation's history, and lead the way to the restoration of our Constitutional founding principles in our federal government.

blackregiment

The infallible word of a bunch of guys who got in charge after a revolution 2.5 centuries ago.

11Marcel

Limited Government is Weak Government.

Ultimas_Blade

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

The Tea Party membership will continue to grow and will result in the greatest resurgence in conservatism in our nation's history, and lead the way to the restoration of our Constitutional founding principles in our federal government.

wstfld

I loved that guy. It just shows you how ignorant some of these guys are.

[QUOTE="11Marcel"]The infallible word of a bunch of guys who got in charge after a revolution 2.5 centuries ago.

aransom

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Limited Government is Weak Government.

[QUOTE="aransom"]

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Limited Government is Weak Government.

Ultimas_Blade

[QUOTE="aransom"]

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]Limited Government is Weak Government.

Ultimas_Blade

Nobody. That's why the lobbyists are starting to give more money to the Republicans.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="aransom"]Something we can agree on. Strong government creates weak individuals.

aransom

I agree. Many do not understand that liberty is a zero sum game. The more intrusive the federal government, the less liberty an individual has. The less intrusive the federal government the more individual liberty.

Of course not. If black men totted AK-47's and semi-automatic machine guns in front of Capitol Hill, people would run in terror. Somehow it's ok for old white men to do it, though. Maniacc1

Oh yes, Grandmothers singing Good Bless America are such a threat to our nation. :D We just must send swat teams to vcontrol them. :lol:

Watch the swat team in action controlling these "dangerous Tea Partiers" here...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=147417

@aransom and @blackregiment: So what do you small government proponents think of the new AZ Anti-Immigrant law?Ultimas_Blade

The federal government has failed to control the borders and AZ is asserting it's States' rights to protect its citizens and enforce the immigration laws the federal government has filed to do.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]@aransom and @blackregiment: So what do you small government proponents think of the new AZ Anti-Immigrant law?blackregiment

The federal government has failed to control the borders and AZ is asserting it's States' rights to protect its citizens and enforce the immigration laws the federal government has filed to do.

They would probably call me a racist, to answer TC's topic title. Of course, the minorities would be going for the team who would help them, so that's an unlikely scenario.CRS98

HIGHLY UNLIKELY is more like it :P What I want to illustrate, though, is that if a group was involved in similar activities (like those ofJames O'Keefe or the various Militias and Tea Parties)was African American, Mexican American, or Chinese American, it would have been treated differently as a domestic threat.

@aransom and @blackregiment: So what do you small government proponents think of the new AZ Anti-Immigrant law?Ultimas_Blade

You didn't ask me. :( Anyhow, I think that the legal process of immigration needs to be made easier. I see no reason why people should not be allowed to immigrate if they are willing and able to provide for themselves and will contribute to our great nation. I don't think that mob rule should decide who lives here, thereby making immigration nearly impossible for many who want to live here. The law New Mexico passed won't much help the whole problem. I do see problems with allowing millions to simply come over the border and receive government handouts, but I would say those services are something that require fixing.

[QUOTE="CRS98"]They would probably call me a racist, to answer TC's topic title. Of course, the minorities would be going for the team who would help them, so that's an unlikely scenario.Ultimas_Blade

HIGHLY UNLIKELY is more like it :P What I want to illustrate, though, is that if a group was involved in similar activities (like those ofJames O'Keefe or the various Militias and Tea Parties)was African American, Mexican American, or Chinese American, it would have been treated differently as a domestic threat.

[QUOTE="aransom"]

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"] Weak individuals? Those who want can advance ahead through several avenues. That is true today, and that would be true with a stronger US Government tomorrow. Who will defend the citizenry against the robber baron corporatists with limited government?blackregiment

I agree. Many do not understand that liberty is a zero sum game. The more intrusive the federal government, the less liberty an individual has. The less intrusive the federal government the more individual liberty.

Would they be called Patriots? Would they be treated the same as the current iteration?

Ultimas_Blade

You mean would they be called paranoid, racist, xenophobic, bigots?

a domestic terrorist organization at worstTheokhoth

I know, what with all those peaceful protests, what a bunch of thugs.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] a domestic terrorist organization at worstQuistisTrepe_

I know, what with all those peaceful protests, what a bunch of thugs.

:lol: at "Christian" conservatives, who, if they lived in biblical Egypt, would support the deportation of an illegal immigrant named Jesus back to Jerusalem! :lol:I_Am_Not_Stupid

Perhaps you can provide the immigration statutes that were in effect in Egypt during the time of Jesus and that Jesus, Mary, and Joseph violated. We'll be waiting.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]@aransom and @blackregiment: So what do you small government proponents think of the new AZ Anti-Immigrant law?Ultimas_Blade

The federal government has failed to control the borders and AZ is asserting it's States' rights to protect its citizens and enforce the immigration laws the federal government has filed to do.

I believe the federal government, regardless of which party is in control, must be limited to the enumerated powers.

In regards to your "where are your papers" scenario, the AZ statute prohibits racial profiling and requires probable cause. By the way, there are many instances already in America where we must "show our papers". If fact, if the Democrats get their way, we will all have to have a national ID card.

Are you suggesting that it is acceptable for people to violate our immigration laws at will?

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] a domestic terrorist organization at worstTheokhoth

I know, what with all those peaceful protests, what a bunch of thugs.

Please provide the case number in which a Court of law found a Tea Party participant guilty of those charges?

Here are 55 examples of violence against just the military by the members of the left from 2003 to 2008.

http://www.varight.com/news/55-acts-of-violence-by-the-left-against-military-alone-bombings-vandalism-2003-to-2008/

Here are many othere examples of violence and intimidation fronm the left.

http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2010/03/31/a-pattern-of-intimidation-and-violence/

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

I know, what with all those peaceful protests, what a bunch of thugs.

Please provide the case number in which a Court of law found a Tea Party participant guilty of those charges?

Here are 55 examples of violence against just the military by the members of the left from 2003 to 2008.

http://www.varight.com/news/55-acts-of-violence-by-the-left-against-military-alone-bombings-vandalism-2003-to-2008/

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] You mean like the ones involving windows being shot out or offices being broken into or death threats being emailed? I said "at worst," not "in general." In general they're just a bunch of morons peacefully protesting about how mad they are that a black guy became president.

D_Battery

Please provide the case number in which a Court of law found a Tea Party participant guilty of those charges?

Here are 55 examples of violence against just the military by the members of the left from 2003 to 2008.

http://www.varight.com/news/55-acts-of-violence-by-the-left-against-military-alone-bombings-vandalism-2003-to-2008/

I honestly don't know. when once I criticized the demeanor/behavior of numerous tea partiers. He then proceeded to to link me instances of the left committing acts of violence. The funny thing is that I vote Republican.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] You mean like the ones involving windows being shot out or offices being broken into or death threats being emailed? I said "at worst," not "in general." In general they're just a bunch of morons peacefully protesting about how mad they are that a black guy became president.

D_Battery

Please provide the case number in which a Court of law found a Tea Party participant guilty of those charges?

Here are 55 examples of violence against just the military by the members of the left from 2003 to 2008.

http://www.varight.com/news/55-acts-of-violence-by-the-left-against-military-alone-bombings-vandalism-2003-to-2008/

You missed this link.

http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2010/03/31/a-pattern-of-intimidation-and-violence/

To answer your question, the mainstream media has tried to paint the Tea Party movement as violent. I simply provided some links to show that if one compares incidents of alleged violence and intimidation between members of the right and the left, it is not even close.

I believe the Tea Party membership will continue to grow and will result in the greatest resurgence in conservatism in our nation's history, and lead the way to the restoration of our Constitutional founding principles in our federal government.

blackregiment

[QUOTE="D_Battery"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Please provide the case number in which a Court of law found a Tea Party participant guilty of those charges?

Here are 55 examples of violence against just the military by the members of the left from 2003 to 2008.

http://www.varight.com/news/55-acts-of-violence-by-the-left-against-military-alone-bombings-vandalism-2003-to-2008/

You missed this link.

http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2010/03/31/a-pattern-of-intimidation-and-violence/

To answer your question, the mainstream media has tried to paint the Tea Party movement as violent. I simply provided some links to show that if one compares incidents of alleged violence and intimidation between members of the right and the left, it is not even close.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] a domestic terrorist organization at worstTheokhoth

I know, what with all those peaceful protests, what a bunch of thugs.

ITT, we take the lowest common denominators and stretch them out to be the mainstream while we make baseless claims to discredit others. FYI, I'm not a Tea Party supporter, but your comments are on the opposite side of the spectrum from reason.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="D_Battery"] Question: How are the acts of violence which you linked in any way related to Theokhoth's post?D_Battery

You missed this link.

http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2010/03/31/a-pattern-of-intimidation-and-violence/

To answer your question, the mainstream media has tried to paint the Tea Party movement as violent. I simply provided some links to show that if one compares incidents of alleged violence and intimidation between members of the right and the left, it is not even close.

I disagree, It is very relevant. the leftist mainstream media has been trying to paint the Tea Party movement as violent, as do many posters in OT, when it is not. It is very relevant to show that this is disingenuous when there are far more examples of leftist acts of violence that any violence by the Tea Party, by far.

If you disagree, show us the videos of the Tea Party violence. Show us the videos of Tea Party Members throwing bottles at the police as was done recently in the AZ immigration law protests.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/27/video-whose-protests-are-more-violent/

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

The federal government has failed to control the borders and AZ is asserting it's States' rights to protect its citizens and enforce the immigration laws the federal government has filed to do.

I believe the federal government, regardless of which party is in control, must be limited to the enumerated powers.

In regards to your "where are your papers" scenario, the AZ statute prohibits racial profiling and requires probable cause. By the way, there are many instances already in America where we must "show our papers". If fact, if the Democrats get their way, we will all have to have a national ID card.

Are you suggesting that it is acceptable for people to violate our immigration laws at will?

Are you suggesting it is acceptable to pass a law in which there is NO WAY OTHER THAN RACIAL PROFILING to enforce detainment of suspected illegal immigrants? Ultimas_Blade

You keep making this bizarre claim without ever feeling the need to back it up.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"] *sigh* 'Big Government? Oh that's only bad when my party's not in power' Big Government is Big Government. How is this not a threat to your precious liberty? If you lost your wallet and the police pulled you over and said 'papers please' you could be thrown in jail as a suspected illegal immigrant. This is like turning our police into the gestapo!Ultimas_Blade

I believe the federal government, regardless of which party is in control, must be limited to the enumerated powers.

In regards to your "where are your papers" scenario, the AZ statute prohibits racial profiling and requires probable cause. By the way, there are many instances already in America where we must "show our papers". If fact, if the Democrats get their way, we will all have to have a national ID card.

Are you suggesting that it is acceptable for people to violate our immigration laws at will?

Have you even read the statute. Racial profiling is prohibited and probable cause is a requirement. You didn't answer my question. Do you think that it is acceptable to break our immigration laws at will? Do you think that those that do should be immune to the consequences of that violation?

By your references to driver's licenses, social security numbers, are you agreeing that we already have to "show our papers"? Are you suggesting that those that are in this country in violation of our immigration laws should be immune to proving their citizenship? You seem to support a national ID card. Are you suggesting that it is ok for US citizens to have to "show their papers' but those that are here in violation of our immigration laws should not? That sure seems like a contradiction.