If there was no God,no creator just nobody at all....

[QUOTE="123625"]And while Jesus might have been God, he was also a man capable of suffering.Thinker_reborn

As the story within Christianity goes, Jesus was sacrificed and made to suffer so that humanity could be saved from our sins. Jesus was effectively punished in our stead in a way that would have been impossible had God stayed wholly external to our world, such that anyone who believes in him and accepts his punishment in their stead is forgiven of his or her past sins and can consequently go to heaven.GabuEx

Anyways to argue christianity's trueness wasnt the point of the thread so I'll leave it there.

Sorry that's just not possible.Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="123625"]And while Jesus might have been God, he was also a man capable of suffering.Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Sorry that's just not possible.GabuEx

I mean the moral of this story is that God forgave others.Big deal since the God of christianity is also considered all loving,mercifull and forgiving?

This may offend christians here but christianity has downright illogical beliefs as far as I am concerned.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="123625"]And while Jesus might have been God, he was also a man capable of suffering.Funky_Llama

Either jesus is a separate entity from God or he couldnt suffer.Both things cannot co-exist.

Again it is God who is suffering so what's the big deal with all this hailing of jesus having suffered for others?:?

I mean the moral of this story is that God forgave others.Big deal since the God of christianity is also considered all loving,mercifull and forgiving?

This may offend christians here but christianity has downright illogical beliefs as far as I am concerned.

Thinker_reborn

God cannot suffer.Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Sorry that's just not possible.Thinker_reborn

Either jesus is a separate entity from God or he couldnt suffer.Both things cannot co-exist.

Christianity says they can, and I don't think God ccould be limited by that.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Again it is God who is suffering so what's the big deal with all this hailing of jesus having suffered for others?:?

I mean the moral of this story is that God forgave others.Big deal since the God of christianity is also considered all loving,mercifull and forgiving?

This may offend christians here but christianity has downright illogical beliefs as far as I am concerned.

GabuEx

God and sacrifice cannot go together just cant.Atleast as long as you believe God to be a God if you know what I mean.Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Well it's certainly not true the way it is.However who knows zeus may have been a prophet and had his own miracles and now his history has just gone too far away from the truth.GabuEx

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Sorry that's just not possible.Thinker_reborn

Either jesus is a separate entity from God or he couldnt suffer.Both things cannot co-exist.

So because something is talked about, it is real?

Dragons, unicorns, succubus, yeti, etc.

Geez OP your premise is rediculous. I'm a god fearing man, but you make it out to be one big joke.

Then why would there be so many religions and so much talk about God throughout the history of mankind?

Why would anyone make up false stories of God and all?And even if some did,why would they continue throughout time?

If God never ever communicated to man through His prophets then surely this much talk about God and religion just simply wont be there.

Thinker_reborn

That's a good question that the skepics do not have a good answer for.

Fear of the unknown.  

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

Then why would there be so many religions and so much talk about God throughout the history of mankind?

Why would anyone make up false stories of God and all?And even if some did,why would they continue throughout time?

If God never ever communicated to man through His prophets then surely this much talk about God and religion just simply wont be there.

Jemdude

That's a good question that the skepics do not have a good answer for.

That's a good question that the skepics do not have a good answer for.

Jemdude

Saying something doesn't make it so. :P

Here's a question: do you believe that gods other than the Christian God exist, or do you believe that those gods were simply made up by humans?

Then why would there be so many religions and so much talk about God throughout the history of mankind?

Why would anyone make up false stories of God and all?And even if some did,why would they continue throughout time?

If God never ever communicated to man through His prophets then surely this much talk about God and religion just simply wont be there.

Thinker_reborn

I know this will sound goofy but we're all in a Matrix World. All the Ghost, UFO's, Aliens, weird creatures, this is all mistakes the system makes. There is a Creator and his name is the Kernel.kid_who_grew_up

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That's a good question that the skepics do not have a good answer for.

GabuEx

Saying something doesn't make it so. :P

Here's a question: do you believe that gods other than the Christian God exist, or do you believe that those gods were simply made up by humans?

They'll just state they were made up by society at the time and paraphrase a few passages from the bible :P

That's a good question that the skepics do not have a good answer for.

Jemdude

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Dont know what the bolded part means but seems like it will be irrelavent to the discussion anyways since God has been talked about throughout the history of man.Thinker_reborn

But regardless that doesnt affect this discussion much.

Christianity believes in one God. In simple terms think of it as God takes three forms God, Jesus, and the holy spirit. kind of like water has ice, water, and steam

Did God create the brains of atheists?SpaceMoose

he created everyone so yes, its that whole free will to believe thing 

Because people need stuff to believe in even if it is a worthless bunch of crap. Why make "false" stories of "g0d"?

Controll.....simplyjmg128thinfrgt

im not fully sure what your refering to, but the control argument doesnt work with the bible. You see the bible has a lot of stuff in it that went against Hebrew tradition and law at the time so it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense that anyone would try to control a people with a text that went against their own laws. 

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]Did God create the brains of atheists?metaldude05

he created everyone so yes, its that whole free will to believe thing 

What better way to control the masses than to threaten them with eternal damnation?DJ_Novakain

have you not read my previous post in this topic. using the bible as a means of control probably would not have worked and doesn't make sense. Many things in the bible go against Hebrew law and tradition. if your writing a book to control people i would imagine you would want to make them follow your laws. if that was the case Jesus wouldve obeyed all laws and you woud not see him arguing with the jewish rabbi and the pharissees

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[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]Did God create the brains of atheists?SpaceMoose

he created everyone so yes, its that whole free will to believe thing 

i don't really understand what your saying explain further please. if im understading then i believe decisions are made in a physical realm. We make our own decisions using our God given Cognitive ability. you can choose to do or believe what you want. i guess the cognitive process is our decision making process. i don't see why free will is nonsense. Do you really know what your talking about or did you just hear that somewhere 

i don't really understand what your saying explain further please 

metaldude05

[QUOTE="metaldude05"]

i don't really understand what your saying explain further please 

SpaceMoose

This topic kind of confuses me to be honest. I don't have the answer for the issue of God gives free will but also knows what you will do (being all knowing). i guess that even though God knows the decision you will make he does not make it for you. i don't see why that if God created the decision making process he has to actually make the decision. He created us and the process but we use the process to make our own decisions. i don't see how that is not possible 

This topic kind of confuses me to be honest. I don't have the answer for the issue of God gives free will but also knows what you will do (being all knowing). i guess that even though God knows the decision you will make he does not make it for you. i don't see why that if God created the decision making process he has to actually make the decision. He created us and the process but we use the process to make our own decisions. i don't see how that is not possible 

metaldude05

You may make decisions, but you don't decide the process by which thoes decisions are made in the first place; that would be paradoxical.

why does everyone always point to the things that religion has done wrong? the crusades, the inquisition, so on. why did the first christians get mauled by lions in the colloseum because they refused to deny their faith? what about missionaries that go and feed starving people? christian programs offer so much aid to so many. the few extremists make everyone look bad, and they are singled out as representatives of God.

the true aim of christianity is to love thy neighbor. does anyone ever think of that? even if there is no God at all, what if people spend their whole lives trying to fill the world with love? was it a wasted life? i believe in God, truly. i do my best to love others, and be kind to all people, even ones that unabashedly mock my beliefs as childish. i try my best to make this world a better place. i rarely even argue, for it is up to each individual to discover God, and when i do argue, i always keep my temper, because i remember that we are all God's children, and that love is what makes God what He is.

can you really say that all of the bad that religion has done, has been done at the behest of the religion itself? or was it people? arrogant, sinful, hate-filled, power-hungry people. i know that my belief in God, whether He exists or not, helps me through life, and helps me to love people, no matter how much they hate me. so if my belief in God fills me with love and compassion for all of mankind, then how  can it be wrong? there is no way to prove that God exists, except in the love and kindness of others. when you see kindness that truly moves you, that, my friends, is God.

i don't see why free will is nonsense. metaldude05

If we knew about every action that was going to occur before it happened, life would probably be torture... just from the ensuing boredom, as a result of there being nothing fresh to experience.Fire_Spirit

Humans react to stimuli, and the knowledge of what will happen if someone does X is itself a form of stimuli; thus, the moment someone knew what was going to happen, that would no longer be what will happen. It's kind of like quantum physics on a macro level, where simply observing something alters it.GabuEx

Then why would there be so many religions and so much talk about God throughout the history of mankind?

Why would anyone make up false stories of God and all?And even if some did,why would they continue throughout time?

If God never ever communicated to man through His prophets then surely this much talk about God and religion just simply wont be there.

What did we learn... ? :?Fire_Spirit

In many cultures, particularly in Greek and spiritual/animist types, they use drugs to become a 'medium' to the Gods. In those days, these prophecies were considered the words of their Gods, yet to us we know they were drug induced states and thus not real.Red-XIII

[QUOTE="Fire_Spirit"]What did we learn... ? :?GabuEx

It means one gods. And no "God" has not been talked about since the history of man, before Christainity anceint cultures like Eygpt believed in multiple gods.SaintLeonidas

*Ahem* Christianity was far from the first monotheic religion.

[QUOTE="Red-XIII"]In many cultures, particularly in Greek and spiritual/animist types, they use drugs to become a 'medium' to the Gods. In those days, these prophecies were considered the words of their Gods, yet to us we know they were drug induced states and thus not real.Fire_Spirit

[QUOTE="Fire_Spirit"][QUOTE="Red-XIII"]In many cultures, particularly in Greek and spiritual/animist types, they use drugs to become a 'medium' to the Gods. In those days, these prophecies were considered the words of their Gods, yet to us we know they were drug induced states and thus not real.Red-XIII

Okay then.

Let's assume that god showed himself to people worldwide, causing the start of all these religions.

If God is as brilliant and all-knowing as he's made out to be, why didn't he foresee all the conflict differing religions would cause?