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#51 Papitar
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Here is another question. Would you be afraid of living forever?

illegalimigrant

Yes. The thought is really scary. People who think it'd be fun haven't really though it through. Forever is a big word.

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#52 chessmaster1989
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Here is another question. Would you be afraid of living forever?

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No, not at all.

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The reason I don't fear what happens to me when I die is because it is unknown. It could be the extremes of bliss or hell, or anything in the spectrum between. We don't know what will happen, so why bother over it? As for living forever, I wouldn't like it. I would probably get bored after a few millennium.
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You might be a Hindu cause they believe that is what death is.illegalimigrant

Which version of Hinduism are you talking about? From what I know about Hinduism, they tend to focus on reincarnation and trying to achieve moksha (or enlightenment).

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#55 super_mario_128
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"][QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]

Here is another question. Would you be afraid of living forever?

No, as i could only accept it but i sure as hell wouldn't like it

Death can be something to fear but living forever or the lack of death can be its own prison too. Why is that? That is a question that is running through my head now.

The answers are obvious: Boredom: eventually, despite human advancements, you'd get sick of living. Constantly outliving friends and loved ones. When you say 'living forever' do you mean being invulnerable/invincible aswell? If so then there's the fact you'd outlive humanity and when the earth is destroyed you'd just drift round in space until the end of time.
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] Why worry of accomplishing something if you believe that you won't be able to see the fruits of your work after. If when you die there is nothing else then anything you do in this life is meaningless. Even if your hope is to pass on your memories. Eventually even the human race will die and even the universe. So you would be doing something for nothing.

The lack of an afterlife is even more motivation to excel and suceed while you still can.
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#57 illegalimigrant
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]

Here is another question. Would you be afraid of living forever?

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Yes. The thought is really scary. People who think it'd be fun haven't really though it through. Forever is a big word.

Maybe its because we see life as being stuck in a room you can't know what outside the room if the door is not open but we don't know what awaits us outside the room. Being stuck forever in a room can be its own hell.
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#58 illegalimigrant
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] Why worry of accomplishing something if you believe that you won't be able to see the fruits of your work after. If when you die there is nothing else then anything you do in this life is meaningless. Even if your hope is to pass on your memories. Eventually even the human race will die and even the universe. So you would be doing something for nothing.

The lack of an afterlife is even more motivation to excel and suceed while you still can.

I don't see how that makes sense. You succeed in life only when you or someone else is able to see an accomplishment. If there is no one to see an accomplishment not even you then you never accomplished anything.
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#59 illegalimigrant
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The reason I don't fear what happens to me when I die is because it is unknown. It could be the extremes of bliss or hell, or anything in the spectrum between. We don't know what will happen, so why bother over it? As for living forever, I wouldn't like it. I would probably get bored after a few millennium. bededog
Regardless of whether you are religious or not to me this seems to be one of the best answer I have heard. We simply don't know.

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Yes, because I want to see and learn as much as I can. Death would impede that. At the same, when I'm dead, I'm not going to care. Cause I'll be dead.
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] I don't see how that makes sense. You succeed in life only when you or someone else is able to see an accomplishment. If there is no one to see an accomplishment not even you then you never accomplished anything.

You don't need to accomplish things for posterity in order to enjoy accomplishing things. You can accomplish things to increase your own standard of living, and to be able to enjoy the finest riches of life itself. You don't have to be concerned with an afterlife. Especially when you can live on eternally in the consequences of your actions.
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The lack of an afterlife is even more motivation to excel and suceed while you still can.Vandalvideo

As is a selfless desire to help those around you instead of bettering yourself.

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#63 illegalimigrant
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]You might be a Hindu cause they believe that is what death is.foxhound_fox


Which version of Hinduism are you talking about? From what I know about Hinduism, they tend to focus on reincarnation and trying to achieve moksha (or enlightenment).

I don't know the exact version or even if its alive today but some people believed that the whole purpose of life was to become one with the creator and life forever in an eternal dreamless sleep. They also believed in the beggining of the universe as being created as something close to the big bang. So in terms of religion even though it seems contradictory they are the ones that is most close to what science believes to be true. And from what I read it seems that they also only have one God and the deities you see them worship is the same God in different forms. Although I think they believe of God as a force rather than an entity. Like I said maybe thats not Hindusm as it is today, but I read about it in university civilization book.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]The lack of an afterlife is even more motivation to excel and suceed while you still can.foxhound_fox


As is a selfless desire to help those around you instead of bettering yourself.

If you say so. I personally think altruism is a load of crock. Even mother teresa was motivated by self indulgence. Yay for psychological egoism.
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#65 gobo212
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I don't fear the inevitable. That would be a waste of time.
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#66 illegalimigrant
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] I don't see how that makes sense. You succeed in life only when you or someone else is able to see an accomplishment. If there is no one to see an accomplishment not even you then you never accomplished anything.

You don't need to accomplish things for posterity in order to enjoy accomplishing things. You can accomplish things to increase your own standard of living, and to be able to enjoy the finest riches of life itself. You don't have to be concerned with an afterlife. Especially when you can live on eternally in the consequences of your actions.

How can you live eternally if the consequences of your actions don't matter at all. If the consequences of actions don't matter then why should actions themselves matter too. We grow to think that because in life all actions have consequences but in death all of that is cut down to mean nothing.
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#67 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] How can you live eternally if the consequences of your actions don't matter at all. If the consequences of actions don't matter then why should actions themselves matter too. We grow to think that because in life all actions have consequences but in death all of that is cut down to mean nothing.

Who are you to say that actions ahve no consequence at all? You don't need an afterlife to have meaning in actions. Even in the absence of god, extraordinary men have extraordinary effects on the world. Story, Henry II, Marshall, and Blackstone; Legis Lex EX Judicium. They will forever be remembered and their actions will forever guide society. Immortality in ideology.
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#68 unholymight
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I shall live forever or die trying.
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#69 illegalimigrant
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]The lack of an afterlife is even more motivation to excel and suceed while you still can.Vandalvideo


As is a selfless desire to help those around you instead of bettering yourself.

If you say so. I personally think altruism is a load of crock. Even mother teresa was motivated by self indulgence. Yay for psychological egoism.

Funny that you think to know what is in other peoples mind. Or unless you believe you are a mind reader how can you logically say that mother theresa was doing something for her own benefit. She was following the monk or nun way of life. A life to live just on your means. Pray. Help others and give any extra you have to those that need it. This has been around since the beggining of christianity. Why is it so hard to people to say I don't know and intead try to demonize what we don't understand.

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I shall live forever or die trying.unholymight
Reminds me of Catch-22. Yossarian Lives!
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] How can you live eternally if the consequences of your actions don't matter at all. If the consequences of actions don't matter then why should actions themselves matter too. We grow to think that because in life all actions have consequences but in death all of that is cut down to mean nothing. Vandalvideo
Who are you to say that actions ahve no consequence at all? You don't need an afterlife to have meaning in actions. Even in the absence of god, extraordinary men have extraordinary effects on the world. Story, Henry II, Marshall, and Blackstone; Legis Lex EX Judicaire. They will forever be remembered and their actions will forever guide society. Immortality in ideology.

Let me repeat what I said earlier. Eventually the human race will die. The universe itself will also die. So there will be no one to remember you actions even if you were the most important person in the universe or just an ant that got squashed. Think about it a little deeply.

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Funny that you think to know what is in other peoples mind. Or unless you believe you are a mind reader how can you logically say that mother theresa was doing something for her own benefit. She was following the monk or nun way of life. A life to live just on your means. Pray. Help others and give any extra you have to those that need it. This has been around since the beggining of christianity. Why is it so hard to people to say I don't know and intead try to demonize what we don't understand.illegalimigrant
You shouldn't assume what I'm saying if you don't understand the principles of psychological egoism. It is a bit of a superfluous argument, but the premises of psychological egoism is one big tautology. It necessitates that EVERYONE acts because they want to act.
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yes because I'd rather be alive than dead.

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Eventually the human race will die. The universe itself will also die.illegalimigrant
Prove these premises with empirical data. I will not accept religious doctrine or superstition. I want clear, concise evidence that the entire universe will die and humanity will cease to exist.
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My sister is an atheist, she said she isn't afraid as long as those after her remember her. So she wants to become famous.
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I don't know the exact version or even if its alive today but some people believed that the whole purpose of life was to become one with the creator and life forever in an eternal dreamless sleep. They also believed in the beggining of the universe as being created as something close to the big bang. So in terms of religion even though it seems contradictory they are the ones that is most close to what science believes to be true. And from what I read it seems that they also only have one God and the deities you see them worship is the same God in different forms. Although I think they believe of God as a force rather than an entity. Like I said maybe thats not Hindusm as it is today, but I read about it in university civilization book.illegalimigrant

It would be nice to know which version exactly, because a lot of Hindu sects are different than that. That sounds more like a specialized sect than traditional Vedic Hinduism.

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#77 MattUD1
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Why fear something that happens everyday? My greatest fear isn't about death itself, it's about how I die and whom I'm surrounded by.
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#78 StealthKing93
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No, I'm not afraid of dying..I just don't want to. There's so much in life, but no one could ever prove "What happens to you when you die?" People have some beliefs or they think they know what is going to happen. But to those who are still questioning themselves about it, it drives us insane in the back of our mind. It's a million time question with no answer.

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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] Funny that you think to know what is in other peoples mind. Or unless you believe you are a mind reader how can you logically say that mother theresa was doing something for her own benefit. She was following the monk or nun way of life. A life to live just on your means. Pray. Help others and give any extra you have to those that need it. This has been around since the beggining of christianity. Why is it so hard to people to say I don't know and intead try to demonize what we don't understand.Vandalvideo
You shouldn't assume what I'm saying if you don't understand the principles of psychological egoism. It is a bit of a superfluous argument, but the premises of psychological egoism is one big tautology. It necessitates that EVERYONE acts because they want to act.

Wow, why don't I just call you God since you know everything absolutely.
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] Wow, why don't I just call you God since you know everything absolutely.

To quote Bukowski; I am my own dang god.
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If there is an afterlife or not, I'm not afraid of dying. Thought of course, there are things I'd like to do before I die.
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] Eventually the human race will die. The universe itself will also die.Vandalvideo
Prove these premises with empirical data. I will not accept religious doctrine or superstition. I want clear, concise evidence that the entire universe will die and humanity will cease to exist.

For a person that knows everything you have not heard of the cold death. Even the big rip you know the opposite of the big bang. Go to wikipedia or any other source. But eventually all the energy will be lost in an ever expanding universe according to scientists and astronomers. What that means is everything will be a very cold place. Even worse dark matter will eventually negate the forces of gravity, and even atoms and rip everything apart. This will happen because the universe is constantly expanding and dark matter will not have the force to hold anything together.
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] For a person that knows everything you have not heard of the cold death. Even the big rip you know the opposite of the big bang. Go to wikipedia or any other source. But eventually all the energy will be lost in an ever expanding universe according to scientists and astronomers. What that means is everything will be a very cold place. Even worse dark matter will eventually negate the forces of gravity, and even atoms and rip everything apart. This will happen because the universe is constantly expanding and dark matter will not have the force to hold anything together.

Actually, for someone who knows alot of things, I know of a new type of theory being circled aroudn the scientific community right now. It has to do with the basic foundation for the big bang theory. It is a new theory which totally rebukes the big bang. The theory itself asserts that the energy used to theorize that the Red Shift is real, or Hubble's Law, is actually static radiation being discharged from dark matter. So in all actuality, the red shift we THINK tells us that things are moving away is nothing more than static radiation. :)
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No.

If someone were to burst into my workplace at this moment and try to kill me, yes, I'd be frightened, but I don't spend day by day worrying about death. It's going to happen to us all one day and when that happens is usually not under our control (suicide being an obvious exception), that being the case, why worry about it? It's going to happen, there is nothing you can do to stop it, don't fret and instead enjoy your life while it lasts.

I'm more afraid of dying before I accomplish what I wish to accomplish in life, but even that isn't a constant worry.

illegalimigrant

Why worry of accomplishing something if you believe that you won't be able to see the fruits of your work after. If when you die there is nothing else then anything you do in this life is meaningless. Even if your hope is to pass on your memories. Eventually even the human race will die and even the universe. So you would be doing something for nothing.

Because I'm not concerned with the fruits of my labor, only the doing.

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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]I don't know the exact version or even if its alive today but some people believed that the whole purpose of life was to become one with the creator and life forever in an eternal dreamless sleep. They also believed in the beggining of the universe as being created as something close to the big bang. So in terms of religion even though it seems contradictory they are the ones that is most close to what science believes to be true. And from what I read it seems that they also only have one God and the deities you see them worship is the same God in different forms. Although I think they believe of God as a force rather than an entity. Like I said maybe thats not Hindusm as it is today, but I read about it in university civilization book.foxhound_fox


It would be nice to know which version exactly, because a lot of Hindu sects are different than that. That sounds more like a specialized sect than traditional Vedic Hinduism.

I'll have to get back to you on that. I just read it a couple of days ago for my civilization **** Ok its Vendanta. But I guess I mixed in some budism in the everlasting dreamless slumber. But supposely budda borrowed from the hindu religion. But the original hindu says that stopping reencarnation by joinning their one god is the goal.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] For a person that knows everything you have not heard of the cold death. Even the big rip you know the opposite of the big bang. Go to wikipedia or any other source. But eventually all the energy will be lost in an ever expanding universe according to scientists and astronomers. What that means is everything will be a very cold place. Even worse dark matter will eventually negate the forces of gravity, and even atoms and rip everything apart. This will happen because the universe is constantly expanding and dark matter will not have the force to hold anything together.

Actually, for someone who knows alot of things, I know of a new type of theory being circled aroudn the scientific community right now. It has to do with the basic foundation for the big bang theory. It is a new theory which totally rebukes the big bang. The theory itself asserts that the energy used to theorize that the Red Shift is real, or Hubble's Law, is actually static radiation being discharged from dark matter. So in all actuality, the red shift we THINK tells us that things are moving away is nothing more than static radiation. :)

So like any religious person you do the same and follow the version of theories that you would like to be true. In that case you are no different than anyone who believes in God. Right now the stardard and most accepted theory is the one I pointed to. And like many atheist say, you can't just believe in what is convinient. But I think you will defend your argument to the death regardless. Very hypocritical.
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] So like any religious person you do the same and follow the version of theories that you would like to be true. In that case you are no different than anyone who believes in God. Right now the stardard and most accepted theory is the one I pointed to. And like many atheist say, you can't just believe in what is convinient. But I think you will defend your argument to the death regardless. Very hypocritical.

I, actually, follow things to their logical conclusion. If there are some serious objections to the accepted theory that are being accepted by Academia, then I will begin to accept those views. Hubble's Law is being strongly refuted by a school of astro-physicists that study the father of thermodynamics; Walther Nernst. Like it or not, Big Bang is being heavily criticised in the academic and scientific community right now.
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Well, I'm more of an agnostic than and atheist but I'm still very much afraid of dying.

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I agree with this 100% im agnostic and im TERRIFIED of dying =(
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] So like any religious person you do the same and follow the version of theories that you would like to be true. In that case you are no different than anyone who believes in God. Right now the stardard and most accepted theory is the one I pointed to. And like many atheist say, you can't just believe in what is convinient. But I think you will defend your argument to the death regardless. Very hypocritical.

I, actually, follow things to their logical conclusion. If there are some serious objections to the accepted theory that are being accepted by Academia, then I will begin to accept those views. Hubble's Law is being strongly refuted by a school of astro-physicists that study the father of thermodynamics; Walther Nernst. Like it or not, Big Bang is being heavily criticised in the academic and scientific community right now.

Can you say that about any scientific theory. I have yet to see a theory that does not have some criticism. Even general relativity is said to have some flaws. And since all these theories build up on each other. If you say that something is not certain then you can say that every single theory is not certain. But you either follow what is accepted or you make your own cult of beliefs to justify whatever you want. Like I said you are no different in terms of thinking than any religious person. In reality your best argument could be that we DON'T know and everything is possible.
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] Can you say that about any scientific theory. I have yet to see a theory that does not have some criticism. Even general relativity is said to have some flaws. And since all these theories build up on each other. If you say that something is not certain then you can say that every single theory is not certain. But you either follow what is accepted or you make your own cult of beliefs to justify whatever you want. Like I said you are no different in terms of thinking than any religious person. In reality your best argument could be that we DON'T know and everything is possible.

You have to realize, the criticisms being lobbied against Hubble's Law are pretty damaging. This isn't your average, minute criticism. This is full on, we completely disproved or discredited your main premise. Whether or not it has reached the general public orn ot is irrelevant. Big Bang Theory is being ripped apart by the seams (lawl pun) by scientists and academia)
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#91 markop2003
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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]

Here is another question. Would you be afraid of living forever?

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No, as i could only accept it but i sure as hell wouldn't like it

Death can be something to fear but living forever or the lack of death can be its own prison too. Why is that? That is a question that is running through my head now.

If you're imortal you have to watch everybody you love die whilst you slowly age knowing the pain will never end, you can't even kill yourself to end it. Then the sun explodes, the universe ends and you are still there, sufficating for eternity but never dieing. Also you've got to consider the chance of becoming criplled, paralysed or some how immobalised making the whole experiance worse.
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I'll have to get back to you on that. I just read it a couple of days ago for my civilization **** Ok its Vendanta. But I guess I mixed in some budism in the everlasting dreamless slumber. But supposely budda borrowed from the hindu religion. But the original hindu says that stopping reencarnation by joinning their one god is the goal.

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Yes, Vedanta is from the Upanishads and is about the self-realization of the divine consciousness. Very similar to the nirvana ideal in Buddhism, but still is not exactly like you made it out to seem. There also still remains the concepts of samsara, karma and reincarnation within Hinduism. Not everyone achieves moksha within one life and has had infinite lives before and will continue to have infinite lives after until they reach moksha... which is, like you mentioned, the concept of Vedanta from the Upanishads. However, despite being the ultimate goal of Hinduism, it doesn't necessarily happen for everyone. It is the "ideal" for a Hindu, who leads their life by the Vedas and lives out the four Ashramas. If they live their lives properly (by the teachings of the Vedas) and don't achieve moksha, they will most likely be born again as a Hindu and be given another chance to achieve it.

Unlike many Western concepts of the afterlife, it doesn't happen for everyone in "this" lifetime. This can especially be the case in Buddhism. Theravadins used to be able to become arhats under the Buddha, but now there can be no more arhats until the coming of Maitreya. In Mahayana, it takes at least one life to reach enlightenment and you must be reborn under a Buddha in another universe to be able to obtain nirvana. Also, the concept of bodhisattva-hood is preferred to Buddha-hood. In Vajrayana Buddhism, from what I can remember, there is still more than one life required to achieve nirvana. In Ch'an/Zen Buddhism however, one can reach nirvana in a single life... and how I came to discover with Soto Zen, is that everyone is already enlightened and just doesn't realize it, which kind of negates the whole concept of samsara and nirvana to begin with.

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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"][QUOTE="markop2003"] No, as i could only accept it but i sure as hell wouldn't like itmarkop2003
Death can be something to fear but living forever or the lack of death can be its own prison too. Why is that? That is a question that is running through my head now.

If you're imortal you have to watch everybody you love die whilst you slowly age knowing the pain will never end, you can't even kill yourself to end it. Then the sun explodes, the universe ends and you are still there, sufficating for eternity but never dieing. Also you've got to consider the chance of becoming criplled, paralysed or some how immobalised making the whole experiance worse.

I wouldn't mind floating through the universe for eternity. It would be pretty interesting. I mean, sure you're going to be spending 99.99% of the time floating in nothing, but eventually you'd hit a new star system, nebula, or galaxy. And assuming the universe isn't doomed to destroy itself you'd eventually venture into parts of the universe that we can't even see from Earth (those parts being almost the entirety of the universe).

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Yes, this life is so damn sweet and good, even during the bad parts, why would I want it to end?

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#95 illegalimigrant
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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] Death can be something to fear but living forever or the lack of death can be its own prison too. Why is that? That is a question that is running through my head now.gameguy6700

If you're imortal you have to watch everybody you love die whilst you slowly age knowing the pain will never end, you can't even kill yourself to end it. Then the sun explodes, the universe ends and you are still there, sufficating for eternity but never dieing. Also you've got to consider the chance of becoming criplled, paralysed or some how immobalised making the whole experiance worse.

I wouldn't mind floating through the universe for eternity. It would be pretty interesting. I mean, sure you're going to be spending 99.99% of the time floating in nothing, but eventually you'd hit a new star system, nebula, or galaxy. And assuming the universe isn't doomed to destroy itself you'd eventually venture into parts of the universe that we can't even see from Earth (those parts being almost the entirety of the universe).

Actually the universe will be ripped appart into nothingness.
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#96 illegalimigrant
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] Can you say that about any scientific theory. I have yet to see a theory that does not have some criticism. Even general relativity is said to have some flaws. And since all these theories build up on each other. If you say that something is not certain then you can say that every single theory is not certain. But you either follow what is accepted or you make your own cult of beliefs to justify whatever you want. Like I said you are no different in terms of thinking than any religious person. In reality your best argument could be that we DON'T know and everything is possible.Vandalvideo
You have to realize, the criticisms being lobbied against Hubble's Law are pretty damaging. This isn't your average, minute criticism. This is full on, we completely disproved or discredited your main premise. Whether or not it has reached the general public orn ot is irrelevant. Big Bang Theory is being ripped apart by the seams (lawl pun) by scientists and academia)

Ok assuming that you are God and you know everything and you are correct about everything including this etc. It still does prove your point. Your point is that we live so we can be remembered by what we do. I don't think you can argue that humanity will live forever but I'll pretend that you can. How can you expect anyone to remember and cherish your accomplishment went you can do the same to others. The Mother Theresa comment is discusting. You basically said that a person that lived her life to help others should not be admired so how can anything you do be admired?

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Ok assuming that you are God and you know everything and you are correct about everything including this etc. It still does prove your point. Your point is that we live so we can be remembered by what we do. I don't think you can argue that humanity will live forever but I'll pretend that you can. How can you expect anyone to remember and cherish your accomplishment went you can do the same to others. The Mother Theresa comment is discusting. You basically said that a person that lived her life to help others should not be admired so how can anything you do be admired?illegalimigrant
Thanks for agreeing that it proves my point! Look, people live in order to achieve for a wide variety of motivations. You can either be eternalized in your actions, or we can live to enjoy life. You don't necessarily have to be remembered in order to have motivation to achieve things. I want to achieve thigns so I can eat a big tasty meal that tastes amazing from five star restaraunts every day. It has nothing to do with afterlife. And as far as consequences go, your actions don't necessarily have to be cherished in order for consequences to be eternal. Unless you can prove an end to everything, consequences will continue to stem from your actions, like a butterfly effect, and your choice trees will live on forever. And the Mother Teresa comment is a tautology, based on the principles of psychological egoism. Don't like it? Too bad.
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No not really. I guess I just find it rather sad that one day everyone you know will die and that you'll never see them again.

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#99 illegalimigrant
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] Ok assuming that you are God and you know everything and you are correct about everything including this etc. It still does prove your point. Your point is that we live so we can be remembered by what we do. I don't think you can argue that humanity will live forever but I'll pretend that you can. How can you expect anyone to remember and cherish your accomplishment went you can do the same to others. The Mother Theresa comment is discusting. You basically said that a person that lived her life to help others should not be admired so how can anything you do be admired?Vandalvideo
Thanks for agreeing that it proves my point! Look, people live in order to achieve for a wide variety of motivations. You can either be eternalized in your actions, or we can live to enjoy life. You don't necessarily have to be remembered in order to have motivation to achieve things. I want to achieve thigns so I can eat a big tasty meal that tastes amazing from five star restaraunts every day. It has nothing to do with afterlife. And as far as consequences go, your actions don't necessarily have to be cherished in order for consequences to be eternal. Unless you can prove an end to everything, consequences will continue to stem from your actions, like a butterfly effect, and your choice trees will live on forever. And the Mother Teresa comment is a tautology, based on the principles of psychological egoism. Don't like it? Too bad.

Please don't kid yourself. I never agreed with you but was using sarcasm. You still only accept was is convinient to you. There is no point in debating because you try to justify that you know everyone's thoughts. Just that alone should prove that you are insane.
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#100 DigitalExile
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ONly afriad that I'll die unhappy (alone) or not content with my life.