If your 11 year old son asked to buy Gears Of Gar would you let him?

However the thing I would not let my child do and would set an age cap on is XBL. I don't care what you say about innocence that wasteland of zero brain cells will be something my child will not be exposed to at least until he is in high school. Find freinds in real life to play mutiplayer with when your younger if you want to so bad. I'm not basing this off of any sort of inate content I'm basing it on the fact that people are sociopaths online and I don't want them being a jerk to my kid or for him to think that its okay to be rude just because you won't get in trouble.peppersfan2

Same here. I'll let my kid play just about any violent ****ed up game he wants to play, and I'll buy him the entire Freddy Krueger box set on his 5th birthday. But I'll monitor the **** out of his online use. Not just because he could accidentally give out personal information or become a target of sexual predators, but because people are jerks.

When I was a kid, my mom would flat out tell me that she didn't want me hanging out with certain kids. Why? Because they were WAY more of a bad influence than any movie or videogame I could possibly be exposed to. When you go online, you interact with PEOPLE. And unlike movies and videogames, people tend to do things like egg you on, teach you to be an ass, and call you a n00b (and sometimes worse).

When you let kids use the internet unattended, you're giving them personal direct unsupervised access to pedophiles, racist, neo-nazis, gang members, terrorists, and drug dealers. On the other hand, a videogame is just a videogame. A movie is just a movie.

EDIT: On that note, why ISN'T there a Freddy Kruegger box set yet? It could have, like, Nightmare 1-5, New Nightmare, and Freddy vs Jason in one complete box set. It could cost about $50, which seems fair. Really, he's just about the most well-known fictional supernatural serial-killing child molesters in the history of fiction. And some of those movies really WERE pretty ****ing cool and/or funny.

Granted, a lot of those movies were crap, but it'd be nice to have them. And while I'm never gonna buy Nightmare on Elm Street 4 by itself, I'd certainly watch Nightmare on Elm Street 4 if it came in a set containing Nightmare 1&2, and Wes Craven's New Nightmare.

This **** needs to happen, and is long overdue.  

play a game you know sucks I[QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"] thats actually a pretty good idea tbh.peppersfan2

"Dear Parents,

These games look like they are fun to play and the reviews have been rather good for them. However if you believe they are too violent for me I'll go back to playing Big Rigs."

See what I did there? You have to guilt them :lol:

Hahaha....no.

I still got every game I ever bought, and Im keeping them. When I get a kid, he or she is gonna start off with some Dark Forces (original), Halflife, Command and Conquer, and then maybe move up to some Deus Ex when theyre feeling like something complex. Then its gonna be on to some online games; if the communities are still there, gonna start 'em off with dsome Team Fortress 2.

I still got my old 386 machine with floppy drives (the big floppy and little one), so i just gotta dust it off. Ahh the good ol' days, when 32MB of memory was a crapload and if you asked what a video card was people would be like "Wtf is that?"

[QUOTE="peppersfan2"]play a game you know sucks I[QUOTE="Nifty_Shark"]

"Dear Parents,

These games look like they are fun to play and the reviews have been rather good for them. However if you believe they are too violent for me I'll go back to playing Big Rigs."

See what I did there? You have to guilt them :lol:

mrbojangles25

Hahaha....no.

I still got every game I ever bought, and Im keeping them. When I get a kid, he or she is gonna start off with some Dark Forces (original), Halflife, Command and Conquer, and then maybe move up to some Deus Ex when theyre feeling like something complex. Then its gonna be on to some online games; if the communities are still there, gonna start 'em off with dsome Team Fortress 2.

I still got my old 386 machine with floppy drives (the big floppy and little one), so i just gotta dust it off. Ahh the good ol' days, when 32MB of memory was a crapload and if you asked what a video card was people would be like "Wtf is that?"

Hmmm passing down a video game from father to son/daughter interesting. I'd start him of with the fundamentals. Pong Mario Brothers Myst ect.

[QUOTE="peppersfan2"]However the thing I would not let my child do and would set an age cap on is XBL. I don't care what you say about innocence that wasteland of zero brain cells will be something my child will not be exposed to at least until he is in high school. Find freinds in real life to play mutiplayer with when your younger if you want to so bad. I'm not basing this off of any sort of inate content I'm basing it on the fact that people are sociopaths online and I don't want them being a jerk to my kid or for him to think that its okay to be rude just because you won't get in trouble.MrGeezer

Same here. I'll let my kid play just about any violent ****ed up game he wants to play, and I'll buy him the entire Freddy Krueger box set on his 5th birthday. But I'll monitor the **** out of his online use. Not just because he could accidentally give out personal information or become a target of sexual predators, but because people are jerks.

When I was a kid, my mom would flat out tell me that she didn't want me hanging out with certain kids. Why? Because they were WAY more of a bad influence than any movie or videogame I could possibly be exposed to. When you go online, you interact with PEOPLE. And unlike movies and videogames, people tend to do things like egg you on, teach you to be an ass, and call you a n00b (and sometimes worse).

When you let kids use the internet unattended, you're giving them personal direct unsupervised access to pedophiles, racist, neo-nazis, gang members, terrorists, and drug dealers. On the other hand, a videogame is just a videogame. A movie is just a movie.

EDIT: On that note, why ISN'T there a Freddy Kruegger box set yet? It could have, like, Nightmare 1-5, New Nightmare, and Freddy vs Jason in one complete box set. It could cost about $50, which seems fair. Really, he's just about the most well-known fictional supernatural serial-killing child molesters in the history of fiction. And some of those movies really WERE pretty ****ing cool and/or funny.

Granted, a lot of those movies were crap, but it'd be nice to have them. And while I'm never gonna buy Nightmare on Elm Street 4 by itself, I'd certainly watch Nightmare on Elm Street 4 if it came in a set containing Nightmare 1&2, and Wes Craven's New Nightmare.

This **** needs to happen, and is long overdue.

I would not let my kid have unmonitered acess to the internet until he/she is in high school. at that point I will set them free and hope I'be taught them safe. It won't even be an issue of not letting him cause I won't buy the computer. and kids can't pay for internet or a setup with middle school money.

 

I still got every game I ever bought, and Im keeping them. When I get a kid, he or she is gonna start off with some Dark Forces (original), Halflife, Command and Conquer, and then maybe move up to some Deus Ex when theyre feeling like something complex. Then its gonna be on to some online games; if the communities are still there, gonna start 'em off with dsome Team Fortress 2.

 

mrbojangles25

Half Life? Really?

I'm not saying it was a bad game, but some of that game was frustrating as hell. In particular, Half-Life's numerous first person platform jumping sequences. I had a hard enough time keeping myself interested through that crap as an ADULT, I sure as hell wouldn't make my kids suffer through that.

First person platform jumping sequences DO NOT WORK. I'm serious here. They aren't fun, they aren't even a fair challenge. They're just annoying as hell. YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE YOUR DAMN FEET. You know sense of balance and weight? The stuff that lets us jump on stuff in real life? Well, none of that exists in first person jumping games. You don't have awareness of Gordon Freeman's body, he's just a freaking floating gun suspended in the middle of the screen. To ask a player to jump 6 feet (or is it 8 feet?) across a bottomless abyss just to land on a one foot wide slab of rock is like the developers personally meeting me in the street and kicking me in the nuts. Every time I see a first person jumping puzzle, I take that **** as a personal insult. As if they don't even CARE that I just gave them money. They still put that **** in the game just to tell me that they still hate me.

Even worse is in some games (not necessarily Half-Life, though I'm pretty sure that I do recall this happening in Half-Life quite often) when you actually land on the next-to-last platform on your 47th try. You start to cheer, then you watch in horror as your character continues to slide forward, right off the edge.

It then takes you another 20 minutes to reach that poiunt again. But this time you're prepared. As soon as you hit the platform, you backpedal to keep yourself from going forward right off the edge. And then you watch in horror as you overcompensate and walk right off the back edge of the platform.

No way. No ****ing way am I making my kids have to go through that. You and I went through that kind of crap so that our children wouldn't have to.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I still got every game I ever bought, and Im keeping them. When I get a kid, he or she is gonna start off with some Dark Forces (original), Halflife, Command and Conquer, and then maybe move up to some Deus Ex when theyre feeling like something complex. Then its gonna be on to some online games; if the communities are still there, gonna start 'em off with dsome Team Fortress 2.

MrGeezer

Half Life? Really?

I'm not saying it was a bad game, but some of that game was frustrating as hell. In particular, Half-Life's numerous first person platform jumping sequences. I had a hard enough time keeping myself interested through that crap as an ADULT, I sure as hell wouldn't make my kids suffer through that.

First person platform jumping sequences DO NOT WORK. I'm serious here. They aren't fun, they aren't even a fair challenge. They're just annoying as hell. YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE YOUR DAMN FEET. You know sense of balance and weight? The stuff that lets us jump on stuff in real life? Well, none of that exists in first person jumping games. You don't have awareness of Gordon Freeman's body, he's just a freaking floating gun suspended in the middle of the screen. To ask a player to jump 6 feet (or is it 8 feet?) across a bottomless abyss just to land on a one foot wide slab of rock is like the developers personally meeting me in the street and kicking me in the nuts. Every time I see a first person jumping puzzle, I take that **** as a personal insult. As if they don't even CARE that they just gave me money. They still put that **** in the game just to tell me that they still hate me.

Even worse is in some games (not necessarily Half-Life, though I'm pretty sure that I do recall this happening in Half-Life quite often) when you actually land on the next-to-last platform on your 47th try. You start to cheer, then you watch in horror as your character continues to slide forward, right off the edge.

It then takes you another 20 minutes to reach that poiunt again. But this time you're prepared. As soon as you hit the platform, you backpedal to keep yourself from going forward right off the edge. And then you watch in horror as you overcompensate and walk right off the back edge of the platform.

No way. No ****ing way am I making my kids have to go through that. You and I went through that kind of crap so that our children wouldn't have to.

I like my games as challenging as I can get them, more in terms of execution than enemy hit points and damage. Halflfie was like that; sure, on hard they would turn off autoaim and give enemies more hit points and whatnot, but it was also challenging because the AI was top notch and the jumping puzzles were challenging yet relavent to the game.

I'd like to think the reason I am so tolerant and easy going is partially because of the games I play; I have no problem hitting F5 and F9 as I quicksave and load 20 times to complete a certain part.

Games nowadays are not about challenge. Theyre about cookie cutter gameplay and wow-factor; theyre still fun, but I just wish there were times when you actually pulled your hair out. It makes beating a tough boss or level segment that more rewarding.

And thats the problem: most games are not rewarding anymore. With the addition of the acheivement system, its only gotten worse.

Like I said, theyre still fun and I love gaming more than ever, its just the old games still have their place. Contra, Mario, Halflife...all frustrating, all fun as hell.

not like it matters because wether you buy the game or not the kid will play it. a friend will have it so you can buy it and let them playy it at home or they can go over a friends house everyday and play it. thats what i used to do when my parents wouldnt let me get a game.

The post about first person jumping puzzles was pretty hilarious and spot on.  One of the main reasons I despites Half Life.

I would not LET my kid play Gears of War until they are older.  However,  I too have fond memories of sneaking to the arcade when Mortal Kombat came out 

I don't have a problem with games that are challengin, but at least give me something to shoot at. You can get beaten 500 times by a challenging boss, but it's still fun because AT LEAST YOU GET TO FIGHT BACK.

Sure, you might get your ass royally destroyed. But before you die, at least you manage to shoot the **** out of the guy.  Even when you die, there's still SOME sense of satisfaction.

Falling off a cliff, however, is not satisfying. You can't fall off a cliff and say "well, at least I put up a good fight."  There is no fighting back, it's a ****ing cliff. You'd might as well have vertigo while having your feet tied together. Dying while shooting people is fun. Dying while falling off of a ****ing cliff just makes you mad. At least make me shoot at **** WHILE I'm falling off a cliff. At least if I've got someone shooting at me, I've got a good excuse for WHY I fell off a cliff, and can comfort myself by saying that I at least got off a few shots before I fell to my doom.

[QUOTE="peppersfan2"]You never played M rated titles when you were younger?Theokhoth

Nope. And I didn't want to, either.

So you're saying you never wanted to play a game that was rated M?  I never even knew about ratings until a long time after I started playing games... (over 10 years ago, when I was like 6 or 7)

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="peppersfan2"]You never played M rated titles when you were younger?gasmaskman

Nope. And I didn't want to, either.

I wonder what happened when Oblivion was changed from T to M

"Nope don't want to play that game anymore because an organization changed a letter"

So you're saying you never wanted to play a game that was rated M?  I never even knew about ratings until a long time after I started playing games... (over 10 years ago, when I was like 6 or 7)

[QUOTE="peppersfan2"]

What Kind of games would you want your kids to play? Here is my list

5.Banjo Kazooie

4.Sim City (creativity)

3.Tetris

2.Curious Village

1.Shadow Of The Collosus (when my kid likes that game any restrictions on his media are instantly lifted because he is obviosily ready to handle anything and has a basic appreciation of art.)

What do you think?

Nifty_Shark

Good games but I dislike it when people claim that games like Ico and Shadow of the Collosus are art while other aren't. All games are art whether they are MGS or NFL BLitz. 

Why no love for World of Goo. (Shadow of the Collosus is easy to like, it's only amazing boss fights. 

No. My children wouldn't be allowed to play any M rated game until they were 16. And if they played before then at a friends house, or on their own I'd bump it up to 18 because they didn't respect the rules of the house.

Children need discipline.

EMOEVOLUTION

Not only I would buy it, I would play coop with him and always remind him that it's just a video game.

Probably not.

Though in my head at first it seemed hypocritical seeing as the one of the first games I played was Perfect Dark. But then when you think about it Perfect Dark just had little red spots but GeOW2 has blood spurting out ect. And plus the only reason my parents let me play Perfect Dark was because they didn't know what the OFLC (Aussie classification board) was back then :lol: But then they figured it out and stopped letting me play MA (Aussie equivelent of M but insted of 17, 15 8) ) games until recently :cry:

I would. Granted you are a good parent, your kid wont shoot up a school.

Note to all parents: If you kid shoots up a school after playing a video game, he was already messed up before that and you failed at being a parent.

People these days dont like taking responsibiliy for their own actions, they always need sumone or sumthing else to be the bad guy :( Well, when I was a kid it was the days of Atari, so there werent any "violent" video games, but my lil bro played Resident Evil and Resident Evil 2 when he aws just a lil kid. Apart from being scared to be alone in the dark, he hasnt shot up anyone or tried to eat sumones brains.

Most of you probably haven't played fallout 3. It has more educational value than gears and contain extreme gore and mature content. Some educational value in fallout is that there will be no XBL a-holes(no MP) and it teaches about priorities, choice+consequence, etc. And it retains the intensity of Gears, as well as hacking minigames, and a mature story, with some slasher-flick elements (tranquility lane).

Long story short, get fallout 3 instead of gears, because there is longer playtime, more replay value andmore educational value

Most of you probably haven't played fallout 3. It has more educational value than gears and contain extreme gore and mature content. Some educational value in fallout is that there will be no XBL a-holes(no MP) and it teaches about priorities, choice+consequence, etc. And it retains the intensity of Gears, as well as hacking minigames, and a mature story, with some slasher-flick elements (tranquility lane).

Long story short, get fallout 3 instead of gears, because there is longer playtime, more replay value andmore educational value

Jekken6

I dunno if Fallout is educational, but anyways:

Fallout 1 and 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fallout3.

Fallout 3 is dirt easy casual Oblivion mod.

[QUOTE="Jekken6"]

Most of you probably haven't played fallout 3. It has more educational value than gears and contain extreme gore and mature content. Some educational value in fallout is that there will be no XBL a-holes(no MP) and it teaches about priorities, choice+consequence, etc. And it retains the intensity of Gears, as well as hacking minigames, and a mature story, with some slasher-flick elements (tranquility lane).

Long story short, get fallout 3 instead of gears, because there is longer playtime, more replay value andmore educational value

II_Seraphim_II

I dunno if Fallout is educational, but anyways:

Fallout 1 and 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fallout3.

Fallout 3 is dirt easy casual Oblivion mod.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="Jekken6"]

Most of you probably haven't played fallout 3. It has more educational value than gears and contain extreme gore and mature content. Some educational value in fallout is that there will be no XBL a-holes(no MP) and it teaches about priorities, choice+consequence, etc. And it retains the intensity of Gears, as well as hacking minigames, and a mature story, with some slasher-flick elements (tranquility lane).

Long story short, get fallout 3 instead of gears, because there is longer playtime, more replay value andmore educational value

Funky_Llama

I dunno if Fallout is educational, but anyways:

Fallout 1 and 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fallout3.

Fallout 3 is dirt easy casual Oblivion mod.

Very true. Well put. On its own merits its not a bad game, but compared to the others it "meh". I just dont like how easy it is. I remember in past fallouts that if u ran into an enemy at the wrong time you would reload fast! In this one, i can take on basically any enemy no problem :( Anyways, we digress....I would let my kid buy GeoW :P

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]

 

I dunno if Fallout is educational, but anyways:

Fallout 1 and 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fallout3.

Fallout 3 is dirt easy casual Oblivion mod.

II_Seraphim_II

Very true. Well put. On its own merits its not a bad game, but compared to the others it "meh". I just dont like how easy it is. I remember in past fallouts that if u ran into an enemy at the wrong time you would reload fast! In this one, i can take on basically any enemy no problem :( Anyways, we digress....I would let my kid buy GeoW :P

There's nothing wrong with Gears of War so, if he wanted to play it, I'd let him. GTA on the other hand...SolidSnake35

If he (most likely a he) was mature and sensible enough then why on earth deny him the awesomeness?clembo1990

I'd wait until he was a little older.  Also, he'd likely have a WII instead of a 360.  Yes, I know I'm evil..

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Heh... I think Fallout 3 is like the Deus Ex 2 of our era: a game that suffers from the expectations its predecessor gives, but is a good game in its own right.Funky_Llama

Very true. Well put. On its own merits its not a bad game, but compared to the others it "meh". I just dont like how easy it is. I remember in past fallouts that if u ran into an enemy at the wrong time you would reload fast! In this one, i can take on basically any enemy no problem :( Anyways, we digress....I would let my kid buy GeoW :P

[QUOTE="peppersfan2"]You never played M rated titles when you were younger?Theokhoth

Nope. And I didn't want to, either.

The man lies!