I'm totally done supporting this president.

RON PAUL REVOLUTIONMrPraline

RON PAUL REVOLUTIONMrPraline

little late for that

'Merica

Wonder which puppet we'll get in 2016. Doesn't matter too much, pretty sure I can just rehash my Bush and Obama rants and they'll work as well.MrPraline

Don't you live in the Netherlands?

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Wonder which puppet we'll get in 2016. Doesn't matter too much, pretty sure I can just rehash my Bush and Obama rants and they'll work as well.worlock77

Don't you live in the Netherlands?

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Wonder which puppet we'll get in 2016. Doesn't matter too much, pretty sure I can just rehash my Bush and Obama rants and they'll work as well.worlock77

Don't you live in the Netherlands?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Wonder which puppet we'll get in 2016. Doesn't matter too much, pretty sure I can just rehash my Bush and Obama rants and they'll work as well.MrPraline

Don't you live in the Netherlands?

In what ways do they effect you? I'm kinda curious because I often see you rant over things that have no effect on you or your country at all?

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Ron Paul is not honest, nor consistent. But anytime his dishonestly or inconsistancy is pointed out you just shrug it off and say you don't believe it.

worlock77

Using the UN to try to seize a domain name from honest supporters of his who worked their asses off for years building grassroots support for him. But you stuck your head in the sand and refused to believe it when it was reported on months ago, so I expect the same now.

He is old and he does not understand how the internet works. He misunderstood what his supporters were doing and did not realize that they were within their rights to use ronpaul as a domain name. Notice how he has not made any more public statements about this since then. This is likely because someone explained to him how domain names work so he dropped it.

Laihendi

Still doesn't excuse him going to international governments to get the issue solved.

Why didn't he just take the issue to a US court if he loves America so much?

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Don't you live in the Netherlands?

worlock77

In what ways do they effect you? I'm kinda curious because I often see you rant over things that have no effect on you or your country at all?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Please provide examples of Ron Paul lying or being inconsistent. Please come up with something better than racist letters that someone else wrote under his name.Laihendi

Using the UN to try to seize a domain name from honest supporters of his who worked their asses off for years building grassroots support for him. But you stuck your head in the sand and refused to believe it when it was reported on months ago, so I expect the same now.

So you think this man is the savior of our country, yet he's too old and feeble to understand something as simple as the internet?

Oh, and he hasn't said anything more about it because he lost.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

He is old and he does not understand how the internet works. He misunderstood what his supporters were doing and did not realize that they were within their rights to use ronpaul as a domain name. Notice how he has not made any more public statements about this since then. This is likely because someone explained to him how domain names work so he dropped it.

Jimn_tonic

Still doesn't excuse him going to international governments to get the issue solved.

Why didn't he just take the issue to a US court if he loves America so much?

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Love libertarians who only support freedoms they agree with.chessmaster1989

Is that supposed to be directed at me or not? But anyway: 1) What you "love" is actually quite different from what you are responding to. In the case of Ron Paul, it is an internal inconsistency is his beliefs. In the case of the 'liberals' you describe, it is not internally inconsistent, and may be perfectly consistent with their broader political views depending on the candidates; 2) 'against the warfare state' is vague; 3) corporate lobbyism is vague.

But no, I'm referring to the liberals around where I live (arguably the most liberal city in America)Rhazakna

Berkeley?

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Using the UN to try to seize a domain name from honest supporters of his who worked their asses off for years building grassroots support for him. But you stuck your head in the sand and refused to believe it when it was reported on months ago, so I expect the same now.

worlock77

So you think this man is the savior of our country, yet he's too old and feeble to understand something as simple as the internet?

Oh, and he hasn't said anything more about it because he lost.

Guys the answer is Ron Paul 2016. There is still hope.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]He is old and he does not understand how the internet works. He misunderstood what his supporters were doing and did not realize that they were within their rights to use ronpaul as a domain name. Notice how he has not made any more public statements about this since then. This is likely because someone explained to him how domain names work so he dropped it.

Laihendi

So you think this man is the savior of our country, yet he's too old and feeble to understand something as simple as the internet?

Oh, and he hasn't said anything more about it because he lost.

I didn't say he claims to be some omnipotent being. You, however, treat him like one, even to the point of ignoring, dismissing or making shallow justifications for his failings and inconsistencies. Kinda like how some people do with their favorite deity and holy texts.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

So you think this man is the savior of our country, yet he's too old and feeble to understand something as simple as the internet?

Oh, and he hasn't said anything more about it because he lost.

worlock77

I didn't say he claims to be some omnipotent being. You, however, treat him like one, even to the point of ignoring, dismissing or making shallow justifications for his failings and inconsistencies. Kinda like how some people do with their favorite deity and holy texts.

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

Nothing's gonna change if people keep voting for the two major parties.

DroidPhysX

If presidents stopped sacrificing our sovereignty to international organizations like the UN then Ron Paul would not have to use international courts to solve problems.Laihendi

oh ok. So the best way to curb international influence on America, is to utilize the international influence. Got it.

Blame the people.

Why would any president want to be honest about smoking weed and saying yes for it when there are so many damn conservatives wanting to lynch him?

I knew Herman Cain should have been president!

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Ackad"]We were better off with Ron PaulSwagSurf

I never supported him. Ever. But most people here knew that. >_>The-Apostle

The guy is a modern day snake oil salesman.

Obama really sucks and has no clue how to govern. The inmates are running the asylum in his administration. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Obama really sucks and has no clue how to govern. The inmates are running the asylum in his administration. Person0

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Obama really sucks and has no clue how to govern. The inmates are running the asylum in his administration. DroidPhysX

I find it amusing that some people actually believe that the outcome of a US presidential election has any significant bearing on US foreign policy.

If "liberal" Tony Blair could send the UK to war in Iraq, then "liberal" Al Gore could have led the US to war in Iraq just as readily as Bush did.

And have people forgotten that it was under "liberal" Bill Clinton that the US bombed civilians and civilian infrastructure in the former Yugoslavia, fomenting civil war and Balkanization just to advance NATO's agenda?

Does anybody believe that Romney wouldn't also be arming the "rebels" in Syria, ordering drone strikes in Pakistan and building the same autocratic surveillance state that Obama is building?

Common sense alone should inform one that the president is little more than a spokesperson for the people who wield the real power ...

Consider the invasion of Iraq: In retrospect, it was clearly the culmination of a decades long strategem that began at least as far back as the Iran/Iraq war of the Reagan era and included Operation Desert Storm and the twelve years of economic sanctions that followed it. Long term strategies of such a nature simply couldn't be implemented if each POTUS really were free to set foreign policy as he and his administration saw fit.

All you get to choose at the ballot box is which marionette jerks at the end of the puppet strings. You'll never even know who the puppeteers are, let alone get to elect them.

I like him

i don't think Obama gives a fvck about what you think.

-trips over a rock-

"Dammit Obama!" 

Wonder which puppet we'll get in 2016. Doesn't matter too much, pretty sure I can just rehash my Bush and Obama rants and they'll work as well.MrPraline

Just bookmark them for future use. Honestly, though could be applied to most leaders around the world. We don't have the market cornered on crappy politicians.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] You do not seem to understand Ron Paul's policies. Ron Paul does not claim to be some omnipotent being who is qualified to run your life, and that is why he wants to allow you the freedom to run it yourself. You do not need to understand how the internet works to understand the non-aggression principle.Laihendi

I didn't say he claims to be some omnipotent being. You, however, treat him like one, even to the point of ignoring, dismissing or making shallow justifications for his failings and inconsistencies. Kinda like how some people do with their favorite deity and holy texts.

I did, you just refuse to see it. If the man lived up to his own talk he never would have turned to the UN in such a manner, nor indeed have tried to rob his supporters of what they worked so hard, investing their own time and their own money, to build. Face it, your deity is a hypocrite.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="Barbariser"] Well, if you're going to be so pedantic about it then credit for keeping the U.S. out of depression falls on Ben Bernanke for that, Bush for T.A.R.P., Obama for the A.R.R.A., and all of the representatives and senators who voted for these acts, and if you really want to get detailed, all of the bureaucrats who implemented them, .etc. Of course since this is a thread about Obama, why the fvck would I mention all those other dudes? When saying that someone did something good do you normally add in all the other guys who helped out or contributed in the same way? Barbariser

Pointing out that the Fed's policies have had the most impact on the economy is being pedantic? 

The Fed's policies have prevented (trying to prevent) another economic downturn. It's not Obama's policies. Why do you think everyone freaks out now when the Fed even gives a little hint of what they plan on doing.

Oh please. We wouldn't need any QE if the stimulus actually worked. 

Obama really sucks and has no clue how to govern. The inmates are running the asylum in his administration. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="Barbariser"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Pointing out that the Fed's policies have had the most impact on the economy is being pedantic? 

The Fed's policies have prevented (trying to prevent) another economic downturn. It's not Obama's policies. Why do you think everyone freaks out now when the Fed even gives a little hint of what they plan on doing.

SpartanMSU

Oh please. We wouldn't need any QE if the stimulus actually worked. 

[QUOTE="Barbariser"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Pointing out that the Fed's policies have had the most impact on the economy is being pedantic? 

The Fed's policies have prevented (trying to prevent) another economic downturn. It's not Obama's policies. Why do you think everyone freaks out now when the Fed even gives a little hint of what they plan on doing.

SpartanMSU

Oh please. We wouldn't need any QE if the stimulus actually worked. 

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nooblet

And have people forgotten that it was under "liberal" Bill Clinton that the US bombed civilians and civilian infrastructure in the former Yugoslavia, fomenting civil war and Balkanization just to advance NATO's agenda?

Stesilaus

lol wut?  I'm guessing the ethnic strife and genocide at the hands of the Serbians didn't come into play at all.