I'm totally done supporting this president.

Can someone explain to me, as an ignorant UKer, what Obama has done in particular to disillusion people recently?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Who is this Barock Obama?Zeviander

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I didn't say he claims to be some omnipotent being. You, however, treat him like one, even to the point of ignoring, dismissing or making shallow justifications for his failings and inconsistencies. Kinda like how some people do with their favorite deity and holy texts.

worlock77

I did, you just refuse to see it. If the man lived up to his own talk he never would have turned to the UN in such a manner, nor indeed have tried to rob his supporters of what they worked so hard, investing their own time and their own money, to build. Face it, your deity is a hypocrite.

Can someone explain to me, as an ignorant UKer, what Obama has done in particular to disillusion people recently?

MissLibrarian

He hasn't be officially tied to anything, but the NSA has collected phone data from some major phone companies, the Internal Revenue Service (taxes) put unwarranted focus on fringe Conservative groups, and he's a minority. Some people are still pissed about that.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

Can someone explain to me, as an ignorant UKer, what Obama has done in particular to disillusion people recently?

jimkabrhel

He hasn't be officially tied to anything, but the NSA has collected phone data from some major phone companies, the Internal Revenue Service (taxes) put unwarranted focus on fringe Conservative groups, and he's a minority. Some people are still pissed about that.

Nothing's gonna change if people keep voting for the two major parties.

one_plum

Agreed. The differences between the parties are so small, that we are essentially choosing for the lesser of two evils. They are both destroying our country. 

Sadly, it will be a long time till the libertarian party can gain enough support to even split the vote. 

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

Nothing's gonna change if people keep voting for the two major parties.

SentientMind

Agreed. The differences between the parties are so small, that we are essentially choosing for the lesser of two evils. They are both destroying our country. 

Sadly, it will be a long time till the libertarian party can gain enough support to even split the vote. 

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

Can someone explain to me, as an ignorant UKer, what Obama has done in particular to disillusion people recently?

jimkabrhel

He hasn't be officially tied to anything, but the NSA has collected phone data from some major phone companies, the Internal Revenue Service (taxes) put unwarranted focus on fringe Conservative groups, and he's a minority. Some people are still pissed about that.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I didn't say he claims to be some omnipotent being. You, however, treat him like one, even to the point of ignoring, dismissing or making shallow justifications for his failings and inconsistencies. Kinda like how some people do with their favorite deity and holy texts.

worlock77

I did, you just refuse to see it. If the man lived up to his own talk he never would have turned to the UN in such a manner, nor indeed have tried to rob his supporters of what they worked so hard, investing their own time and their own money, to build. Face it, your deity is a hypocrite.

Can someone explain to me, as an ignorant UKer, what Obama has done in particular to disillusion people recently?

MissLibrarian

[QUOTE="SentientMind"]

[QUOTE="one_plum"]

Nothing's gonna change if people keep voting for the two major parties.

mattbbpl

Agreed. The differences between the parties are so small, that we are essentially choosing for the lesser of two evils. They are both destroying our country. 

Sadly, it will be a long time till another party, perhaps the libertarian party, can gain enough support to even split the vote. 

Right. That's just my opinion. I was just using it as an example. 

I think everyone's been done supporting this president for some time now. Even a large percentage of the left are against him now.

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]But no, I'm referring to the liberals around where I live (arguably the most liberal city in America)worlock77

Berkeley?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]But no, I'm referring to the liberals around where I live (arguably the most liberal city in America)Rhazakna

Berkeley?

Is Berkeley more liberal than DC?

Go to school there or just live there?

That's too bad, he could really use the votes next election.UCF_Knight

+1

I think everyone's been done supporting this president for some time now. Even a large percentage of the left are against him now.

destinhpark

You're damned if you do, your damned if you don't. The hardcore right thinks he's a socialist and the hardcore left are bitchy that he isn't left enough.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

So you think this man is the savior of our country, yet he's too old and feeble to understand something as simple as the internet?

Oh, and he hasn't said anything more about it because he lost.

worlock77

I didn't say he claims to be some omnipotent being. You, however, treat him like one, even to the point of ignoring, dismissing or making shallow justifications for his failings and inconsistencies. Kinda like how some people do with their favorite deity and holy texts.

I have a few theories:

The president is simply a puppet for the government.

There is crazy info that we know nothing about that the president finds out once in office.  Stuff that requires the president to stay the course on whatever path the previous president was on.

The obvious that getting anything done in Washington is impossible.

Only evil sociopaths actually become president.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

Can someone explain to me, as an ignorant UKer, what Obama has done in particular to disillusion people recently?

Laihendi

He hasn't be officially tied to anything, but the NSA has collected phone data from some major phone companies, the Internal Revenue Service (taxes) put unwarranted focus on fringe Conservative groups, and he's a minority. Some people are still pissed about that.

You and I may not see this President in terms of race, but some do. I have no doubt that if we had the first female President currently, she would be under extra scrutiny and get extra criticism. It isn't right, but it's part o human nature and the nature of our country.

We were better off with Ron PaulAckad

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] None of your criticisms of me are even remotely relevant to what we were discussing. As a reminder, you were attempting to explain how Ron Paul was dishonest and/or inconsistent.Laihendi

I did, you just refuse to see it. If the man lived up to his own talk he never would have turned to the UN in such a manner, nor indeed have tried to rob his supporters of what they worked so hard, investing their own time and their own money, to build. Face it, your deity is a hypocrite.

Bullshit. Ron Paul understands the internet. He's utilized it plenty enough in his own campaigns. I find it funny that on one hand you try to paint him as the answer to everything that ails this country, and on the other hand you paint him as old and out of touch.

Obama is clearly a racist and a liar remember this clip.. While healthcare was done after Obama became president IT WAS NOT DONE ON CSPAN.. Go figure..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOrncxhTTiw

Obama speaking on his Professor friend.. Calling police stupid and bieng up race.. It was the professor acting stupidly..Racial profilling.Really...Again put his foot in his mouth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LucTPdK8VTc

Nothing's gonna change if people keep voting for the two major parties.

one_plum

pretty much, and even then I doubt things would change much.  I think people overestimate just how much power and influence the president has.  It's not that he is failing because he is not trying, he is failing because he is being prevented from doing things.

With that said, he is doing pretty damn good relative to other Western countries currently.

All this NSA data collection stuff started under GW's administration. But yeah, Obama could have put a stop to it.Darthmatt

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

Can someone explain to me, as an ignorant UKer, what Obama has done in particular to disillusion people recently?

Laihendi

He hasn't be officially tied to anything, but the NSA has collected phone data from some major phone companies, the Internal Revenue Service (taxes) put unwarranted focus on fringe Conservative groups, and he's a minority. Some people are still pissed about that.

Can someone explain to me, as an ignorant UKer, what Obama has done in particular to disillusion people recently?

MissLibrarian

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

Can someone explain to me, as an ignorant UKer, what Obama has done in particular to disillusion people recently?

Laihendi

I have a few theories:

The president is simply a puppet for the government.

There is crazy info that we know nothing about that the president finds out once in office.  Stuff that requires the president to stay the course on whatever path the previous president was on.

The obvious that getting anything done in Washington is impossible.

Only evil sociopaths actually become president.

 

junglist101

I don't know about evil, but it does take a very special brand of crazy to understand the job that the president does, all the animosity you will receive along with the pressure that they say is the equivalent of living two days for every single day of work along with being an incredibly lonely job, and for a person to believe they can handle it is crazy.

It leads to a system of leaving us only crazy people to vote for.

We were better off with Ron PaulAckad

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

Can someone explain to me, as an ignorant UKer, what Obama has done in particular to disillusion people recently?

Laihendi

It's not Obama, he's just a face. There's a much more sinister force behind the curtains...Kikouken

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[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

Can someone explain to me, as an ignorant UKer, what Obama has done in particular to disillusion people recently?

Laihendi

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

Can someone explain to me, as an ignorant UKer, what Obama has done in particular to disillusion people recently?

Laihendi

I'll be very interested in seeing what the full transripts from the IRS interviews will hold. If they really do settle the scandal, and a conservative was behind the extra scrutiny of  Tea Party groups as Rep. Cummings suggests, then all of this will have been for nothing (or very little). And Darryl Issa will look even more like an asshat.