Immoral "Religious" people are the biggest hypocrites in existence

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Noah didn't exist, neither did the ark or adam and eve

wis3boi

You keep telling yourself that.

Enjoy candyland, the rest of us can live in reality.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Noah didn't exist, neither did the ark or adam and eve

wis3boi

You keep telling yourself that.

Enjoy candyland, the rest of us can live in reality.

Reality.. what a joke.

Well, that sounds very profound. The problem is that to be hypocritical to oneself would still require that you are operating under the delusion that you will somehow eventually meet the standards set forth by your belief system. Not all Christians think this way. Those who don't, it would then stand to reason, are being hypocritical to no one.Assassin_87

[QUOTE="Assassin_87"]Well, that sounds very profound. The problem is that to be hypocritical to oneself would still require that you are operating under the delusion that you will somehow eventually meet the standards set forth by your belief system. Not all Christians think this way. Those who don't, it would then stand to reason, are being hypocritical to no one.Zeviander

Regarding the first bolded segment: I didn't see this getting heated, personally, if that's what you're concerned about.

Regarding the second bolded segment: That's fine, and I expected no less. To think that I'd change your religious views over the internet through Gamespot off-topic, when they are so well-informed with personal study and I know little about you (other than that you like some cool music:P), would be foolishness. To be clear, I do agree with you that people should be allowed to seek out their own answers in life, and early indoctrination of children into any faith system without breathing room for personal discovery is a recipe for disaster.

On the rest, I'll just echo your own sentiment and say that we may as well agree to disagree.

How many people do you know that go to church and/or claim to be Christian, Muslim, ect.. but don't follow their own rules? Yes, we are all fallible, imperfect creatures.. but you can usually tell when someone is at least trying to do things the way that they purport to believe is the right way. I know that Christians were instructed to avoid judging others, and to basically mind their own business, aside from preaching the good news about God. However, it's difficult to ignore the number of people who seem to think that they can go do whatever the **** they want to do and go confess/pray it all away. Sexual immorality, illegal activities, dishonesty, you name it. It really disgusts me when I look around and see so many people who say one thing and then do another. At least a person who doesn't claim to be a devout believer in a strict moral code isn't breaking their own rules and looking like a total phony.

So, what do you think? Can you think of a worse example of hypocrisy? How many religious people do you know that seem like they really are trying to live their lives in accordance with the morals and rules that they claim to believe in?

hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"]

Atheists are pretty bad too, I would say not as bad.

"I'am against religion! and to express that, I'am going to join this religion"

-Sun_Tzu-

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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

jimkabrhel

:P

I didn't say that Democrats are immune to scandal. Democrats are less likely to be espousing and legislating religious-style morality, however.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"]

Atheists are pretty bad too, I would say not as bad.

"I'am against religion! and to express that, I'am going to join this religion"

DeathnoteSz

The only people that can be hypocrites are people that have standards to live by. It is better to have standards and fall short than to not have standards and do nothing.Genetic_Code

The only people that can be hypocrites are people that have standards to live by. It is better to have standards and fall short than to not have standards and do nothing.Genetic_Code

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]The only people that can be hypocrites are people that have standards to live by. It is better to have standards and fall short than to not have standards and do nothing.DeathnoteSz

However, it's difficult to ignore the number of people who seem to think that they can go do whatever the **** they want to do and go confess/pray it all away.

hartsickdiscipl

It's not so much that a religious person is a hypocrite when he does not live up to his own standard. What is a hypocrite is when said that person expects grace and forgiveness for his failures but does not give grace to others who fail.mindstorm

Can you think of a worse example of hypocrisy?

hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="DeathnoteSz"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]The only people that can be hypocrites are people that have standards to live by. It is better to have standards and fall short than to not have standards and do nothing.Genetic_Code

If a hypocrite is defined as one who believes one thing but does another, then all people who follow religion are hypocrites. For me as a Christian, I do not believe in pridefulness, selfishness, etc., but then I find myself beging prideful and selfish quite often. Does that make me immoral? No, because the beauty of grace is that no matter how many times I fall, God is there to pick me back up.

If a hypocrite is defined as one who believes one thing but does another, then all people who follow religion are hypocrites. For me as a Christian, I do not believe in pridefulness, selfishness, etc., but then I find myself beging prideful and selfish quite often. Does that make me immoral? No, because the beauty of grace is that no matter how many times I fall, God is there to pick me back up.

J-man45

[QUOTE="J-man45"]

If a hypocrite is defined as one who believes one thing but does another, then all people who follow religion are hypocrites. For me as a Christian, I do not believe in pridefulness, selfishness, etc., but then I find myself beging prideful and selfish quite often. Does that make me immoral? No, because the beauty of grace is that no matter how many times I fall, God is there to pick me back up.

CondorCalabasas

That's not what I said at all. I do not believe I am allowed to do whatever I want. My pridefulness is a sin and I recognize that. God calls us to be holy, so because God has saved me part of my job as a Christian is to strive to rid myself of sin and become more like him. But I will still fail, due to my imperfect nature as a human.

[QUOTE="J-man45"]

If a hypocrite is defined as one who believes one thing but does another, then all people who follow religion are hypocrites. For me as a Christian, I do not believe in pridefulness, selfishness, etc., but then I find myself beging prideful and selfish quite often. Does that make me immoral? No, because the beauty of grace is that no matter how many times I fall, God is there to pick me back up.

CondorCalabasas

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"]This is why religion is such a crutch. "I'm allowed to do whatever I want because god loves me and thinks I'm perfect"J-man45

That's not what I said at all. I do not believe I am allowed to do whatever I want. My pridefulness is a sin and I recognize that. God calls us to be holy, so because God has saved me part of my job as a Christian is to strive to rid myself of sin and become more like him. But I will still fail, due to my imperfect nature as a human.

Not at all. There is a difference between occasionally sinning and repenting and habitually sinning without regretting it.whipassmt

hahaha, there is no difference at all actually, thats exactly why religion is such a crutch, because you think there is a difference.

I'd tell you to explain the difference, but that would be trolling, because there is no such thing as a difference.

That's not what I said at all. I do not believe I am allowed to do whatever I want. My pridefulness is a sin and I recognize that. God calls us to be holy, so because God has saved me part of my job as a Christian is to strive to rid myself of sin and become more like him. But I will still fail, due to my imperfect nature as a human.

J-man45

Thats exactly what you said actually. "because the beauty of grace is that no matter how many times I fall, God is there to pick me back up."

You can do anything, because god is there to pick you back up. Its sad to see how your parents have brainwashed you. Though, I imagine its not all bad, less time for thinking, more time for working. The perfect description of any religious individual.

J-man is dead-on. If you have an attitude of "I can do whatever I want!", you don't love God, and you're not a Christian. Crushmaster

By that logic, J-man is completely wrong. I never said he believes he can do whatever he wants. I said thats what it is. You are allowed to do whatever you want, because god loves you, you are perfect in his eyes.

And I don't click on links unless I know what I'm clicking on first.

And please respect my beliefs by not "blessing" me, its considered a sin in my religion.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]Not at all. There is a difference between occasionally sinning and repenting and habitually sinning without regretting it.CondorCalabasas

That's not what I said at all. I do not believe I am allowed to do whatever I want. My pridefulness is a sin and I recognize that. God calls us to be holy, so because God has saved me part of my job as a Christian is to strive to rid myself of sin and become more like him. But I will still fail, due to my imperfect nature as a human.

J-man45

But the important thing is, my attitude is not one that says Iwantto fall or thatIdon't careabout falling. I'm not doing whatever I want because I am not trying to fall. But through God's grace, when I do fall, he picks me back up. I can't do anything, because one who lives in sin is not of God.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]Not at all. There is a difference between occasionally sinning and repenting and habitually sinning without regretting it.CondorCalabasas

Yes, within a theological context, there is a difference. If you in particular do not believe there is a difference that doesn't make you superior in some way to someone who legitimately sees a difference. Also, I'd say there is even an objective and clear line between simply sinning with abandon and actually regretting your actions and making effort not to continue. Whether or not we can prove that someone genuinely regrets their sin is one thing, but ultimately is of no consequence, since you aren't likely to change your views on this.

And, before you get a chance to say it yourself, let me try: I'm a puppet, and a mindless drone who's been spoon-fed this crap my entire life. If not, I must be nearly sub-human in intellect to be attracted to it.

Did I cover everything?

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] hahaha, there is no difference at all actually, thats exactly why religion is such a crutch, because you think there is a difference. I'd tell you to explain the difference, but that would be trolling, because there is no such thing as a difference. [QUOTE="J-man45"]

That's not what I said at all. I do not believe I am allowed to do whatever I want. My pridefulness is a sin and I recognize that. God calls us to be holy, so because God has saved me part of my job as a Christian is to strive to rid myself of sin and become more like him. But I will still fail, due to my imperfect nature as a human.

J-man45

But the important thing is, my attitude is not one that says Iwantto fall or thatIdon't careabout falling. I'm not doing whatever I want because I am not trying to fall. But through God's grace, when I do fall, he picks me back up. I can't do anything, because one who lives in sin is not of God.

[QUOTE="J-man45"]

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"] Thats exactly what you said actually. "because the beauty of grace is that no matter how many times I fall, God is there to pick me back up." You can do anything, because god is there to pick you back up. Its sad to see how your parents have brainwashed you. Though, I imagine its not all bad, less time for thinking, more time for working. The perfect description of any religious individual.CondorCalabasas

But the important thing is, my attitude is not one that says Iwantto fall or thatIdon't careabout falling. I'm not doing whatever I want because I am not trying to fall. But through God's grace, when I do fall, he picks me back up. I can't do anything, because one who lives in sin is not of God.

When have we talked about all the sins and which ones we have committed to point where we can determine that you sin less than I do?

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]Not at all. There is a difference between occasionally sinning and repenting and habitually sinning without regretting it.Assassin_87

Yes, within a theological context, there is a difference. If you in particular do not believe there is a difference that doesn't make you superior in some way to someone who legitimately sees a difference. Also, I'd say there is even an objective and clear line between simply sinning with abandon and actually regretting your actions and making effort not to continue. Whether or not we can prove that someone genuinely regrets their sin is one thing, but ultimately is of no consequence, since you aren't likely to change your views on this.

And, before you get a chance to say it yourself, let me try: I'm a puppet, and a mindless drone who's been spoon-fed this crap my entire life. If not, I must be nearly sub-human in intellect to be attracted to it.

Did I cover everything?

Who said I was superior? Its not about what I believe, its about what it is. I don't believe I enjoy rap music, I enjoy it. You should familiarize yourself with what the word "belief" means. Whether or not there is a difference, it should easily be proven, instead of constantly dodged.

Being selfish is a sin correct? Well what if hypothetically speaking, every human being on earth committed that sin with every single decision they ever made? They can ask for gods forgiveness, and I'm sure they'll get it, but they are going to continue to sin for the rest of their lives anyways, and constantly, almost every moment, and thought, consumed by one sin. What is that? Is that okay? What would you describe that as? That person.

"I'm a puppet, and a mindless drone who's been spoon-fed this crap my entire life. If not, I must be nearly sub-human in intellect to be attracted to it."

Assuming psychologically speaking suggests you part of you believes this statement.

I'm not here to insult anyone, its against my religion.

Who said I was superior? Its not about what I believe, its about what it is. I don't believe I enjoy rap music, I enjoy it. You should familiarize yourself with what the word "belief" means. Whether or not there is a difference, it should easily be proven, instead of constantly dodged. Being selfish is a sin correct? Well what if hypothetically speaking, every human being on earth committed that sin with every single decision they ever made? They can ask for gods forgiveness, and I'm sure they'll get it, but they are going to continue to sin for the rest of their lives anyways, and constantly, almost every moment, and though, consumed by one sin. What is that? Is that okay? What would you describe that as? That person. "I'm a puppet, and a mindless drone who's been spoon-fed this crap my entire life. If not, I must be nearly sub-human in intellect to be attracted to it." Assuming psychologically speaking suggests you part of you believes this statement. I'm not here to insult anyone, its against my religion.CondorCalabasas

Let me be clear in saying that I never actually said that you claimed you were superior. I just wanted to make that evident, because that you've considered some superiority over others seems implied at times.

And let me reiterate that, theologically, there is a difference. I haven't dodged anything, by the way.

As for your point about every act being selfish, sure, that's a relevant argument. Most human acts and thoughts are selfish. That is why a primary teaching of Christianity is to disregard "self" with the help of God.

As for you not being here to insult anyone, fair enough. What I said that you quoted was a quick attempt to see if I could be one step ahead of you (in a lighthearted sense, so we're on the same page), as you seem to be a capable troll when you see fit to be.:P

Let me be clear in saying that I never actually claimed that you were superior. I just wanted to make that evident, because that you've considered some superiority over others seems implied at times.

And let me reiterate that, theologically, there is a difference. I haven't dodged anything, by the way.

As for your point about every act being selfish, sure, that's a relevant argument. Most human acts and thoughts are selfish. That is why a primary teaching of Christianity is to disregard "self" with the help of God.

As for you not being here to insult anyone, fair enough. What I said that you quoted was a quick attempt to see if I could be one step ahead of you (in a lighthearted sense, so we're on the same page), as you seem to be a capable troll when you see fit to be.:P

Assassin_87

"that doesn't make you superior"

"Let me be clear in saying that I never actually claimed that you were superior."

Am I missing something? I'm pretty sure you actually did say I believe I'am superior, right there.

Who are these people I feel superior over? Where are these posts that I feel superior about? I'am honestly so confused right now.

Why on earth don't people ever ask questions? If you don't know something, and you clearly want to know something, why don't you just ask? You think I'll lie, check it out, I'll never lie to you on this thread, I just gave you my word. Thats more concrete than your religion (jokes, jokes, I was kidding, chill).

You have dodged, I said if there is a difference, you'd be able to prove it. You haven't proved it, so yea, I'd call that dodging. I'm pretty used to it having discussions with christians and the like.

You didn't answer my question though, so I'll ask again. If there was a person, who every single act they ever made, was a sin (in this case, selfishness), what is that person? Lets assume they ask forgiveness for every single sin. And you interpret them as actually wanting to change their ways. But magically, you know that they will continue to sin just as much until they die. What is that person? Is that like a good christian? Or a bad one? What word, or definition would you apply to that person?

Yes, well first of all I do not intentionally troll religious threads. I thoroughly enjoy discussion religion with all religious types, until they attempt to convert me, then I make things extremely unpleasant for both parties.

I speak in such a way that 90% of the users on just about every website assume I'am "somadbro" or trolling. This is how I talk, simple as that. You are getting the same person on this forum, as you would if you and I were speaking in person.

On the other hand, I'am actually quite talented at trolling if I do say so myself. I care for gamer communities, and since about 2001 I've been trolling trolls. Let me reiterate, I do not troll anyone, until someone decides to troll someone else. Some people can't handle trolls it makes them angry, and ruins their experience, and makes them not want to post on websites anymore, which makes me sad. Without going into detail, I'am very familiar with people with psychological issues, so I know how to make the trolls happy, which makes the users happy.

You want an example? I could give you tons.

Battlelog (BF3.com basically) I'am probably the most well known troll on there, and all the users love me. Because not only am I better than all the other trolls at the game itself, but I put them all in their place, and they never, ever post when I'am posting. They are scared, it makes the community happy, which makes me happy.

Why did I tell you all that? So you know I'am not trolling you, so you know a little bit about me, and understand that I'am having this discussion, because I enjoy discussions.

"that doesn't make you superior"

"Let me be clear in saying that I never actually claimed that you were superior."

Am I missing something? I'm pretty sure you actually did say I believe I'am superior, right there.

Who are these people I feel superior over? Where are these posts that I feel superior about? I'am honestly so confused right now.

Why on earth don't people ever ask questions? If you don't know something, and you clearly want to know something, why don't you just ask? You think I'll lie, check it out, I'll never lie to you on this thread, I just gave you my word. Thats more concrete than your religion (jokes, jokes, I was kidding, chill).

You have dodged, I said if there is a difference, you'd be able to prove it. You haven't proved it, so yea, I'd call that dodging. I'm pretty used to it having discussions with christians and the like.

You didn't answer my question though, so I'll ask again. If there was a person, who every single act they ever made, was a sin (in this case, selfishness), what is that person? Lets assume they ask forgiveness for every single sin. And you interpret them as actually wanting to change their ways. But magically, you know that they will continue to sin just as much until they die. What is that person? Is that like a good christian? Or a bad one? What word, or definition would you apply to that person?

Yes, well first of all I do not intentionally troll religious threads. I thoroughly enjoy discussion religion with all religious types, until they attempt to convert me, then I make things extremely unpleasant for both parties.

I speak in such a way that 90% of the users on just about every website assume I'am "somadbro" or trolling. This is how I talk, simple as that. You are getting the same person on this forum, as you would if you and I were speaking in person.

On the other hand, I'am actually quite talented at trolling if I do say so myself. I care for gamer communities, and since about 2001 I've been trolling trolls. Let me reiterate, I do not troll anyone, until someone decides to troll someone else. Some people can't handle trolls it makes them angry, and ruins their experience, and makes them not want to post on websites anymore, which makes me sad. Without going into detail, I'am very familiar with people with psychological issues, so I know how to make the trolls happy, which makes the users happy.

You want an example? I could give you tons.

Battlelog (BF3.com basically) I'am probably the most well known troll on there, and all the users love me. Because not only am I better than all the other trolls at the game itself, but I put them all in their place, and they never, ever post when I'am posting. They are scared, it makes the community happy, which makes me happy.

Why did I tell you all that? So you know I'am not trolling you, so you know a little bit about me, and understand that I'am having this discussion, because I enjoy discussions.

CondorCalabasas

Addressing the first part about superiority, I edited my original post that you replied to, since it was worded incorrectly. Regardless, that shouldn't really become a focus as I guess I zeroed in on one of your trolling attempts and just wanted to make a little dig at you. Nothing serious. I didn't really have any legitimate concern or questions about that.

I can't really prove to you one way or another whether people genuinely ever regret their sin, or if all Christians just act that way to seem good. I'd imagine it varies from case to case. My previous answer, let me say again, was not an attempt at dodging. Perhaps my answers aren't satisfactory, but that's because there is no proof I can supply. What we are discussing is actually addressed in John 3:6 where it is said that (paraphrashing) anyone who "abides in" God does not sin habitually, and if someone does continue to sin habitually they obviously have not "seen" or "known" God. Aside from scriptural analysis, I will say that in my own experience (anecdotal evidence, so I'm not claiming it's of very much use) the number of people who sin freely and repent constantly outweigh those who seem genuinely worried about sinning and make a concerted effort to avoid doing so.

As for the bolded question, I'd personally identify that person as a bad Christian, or one who's using their professed belief system to excuse what they do and make themselves feel better about their place in the world. I'm not arrogant enough to say that I know what percentage of Christians are like this, but if pressed I'd venture a great number use Christianity in such a way. Even I've personally sunk to this low in the past.

As far as attempts to convert people over a message board, I usually think it's a pretty bad idea. I also don't do much of that myself as it's usually met with a less than kind reaction. Additionally, religious grandstanding isn't necessarily the best way to go about things in my opinion, as I still hold onto a firm personal belief that people should be allowed to seek truth rationally and scientifically if they so choose.

And, as for the rest of your post: I'm pretty much a counter troll anywhere but Gamespot, so that's cool to hear. I don't think people understand the psychology behind trolling very well, so most people just get very upset by it. It's good to have someone around to troll the trolls.

Addressing the first part about superiority, I edited my original post that you replied to, since it was worded incorrectly. Regardless, that shouldn't really become a focus as I guess I zeroed in on one of your trolling attempts and just wanted to make a little dig at you. Nothing serious. I didn't really have any legitimate concern or questions about that.

I can't really prove to you one way or another whether people genuinely ever regret their sin, or if all Christians just act that way to seem good. I'd imagine it varies from case to case. My previous answer, let me say again, was not an attempt at dodging. Perhaps my answers aren't satisfactory, but that's because there is no proof I can supply. What we are discussing is actually addressed in John 3:6 where it is said that (paraphrashing) anyone who "abides in" God does not sin habitually, and if someone does continue to sin habitually they obviously have not "seen" or "known" God. Aside from scriptural analysis, I will say that in my own experience (anecdotal evidence, so I'm not claiming it's of very much use) the number of people who sin freely and repent constantly outweigh those who seem genuinely worried about sinning and make a concerted effort to avoid doing so.

As for the bolded question, I'd personally identify that person as a bad Christian, or one who's using their professed belief system to excuse what they do and make themselves feel better about their place in the world. I'm not arrogant enough to say that I know what percentage of Christians are like this, but if pressed I'd venture a great number use Christianity in such a way. Even I've personally sunk to this low in the past.

As far as attempts to convert people over a message board, I usually think it's a pretty bad idea. I also don't do much of that myself as it's usually met with a less than kind reaction. Additionally, religious grandstanding isn't necessarily the best way to go about things in my opinion, as I still hold onto a firm personal belief that people should be allowed to seek truth rationally and scientifically if they so choose.

And, as for the rest of your post: I'm pretty much a counter troll anywhere but Gamespot, so that's cool to hear. I don't think people understand the psychology behind trolling very well, so most people just get very upset by it. It's good to have someone around to troll the trolls.

Assassin_87

Are you saying you believe I'am grandstanding my religion?CondorCalabasas

Quoted really the only relevant thread of discussion since the rest of it is pretty much said and done.

But no, I was just speaking on my personal stance on trying to push Christianity over a message board. Besides, atheism isn't a religion, it's a lack of religion.

Edit: Not to disregard the rest of what you said. I find your view on human motivation, and inherent selfishness, to be interesting. I've studied it some myself, but considered it ultimately irrelevant since it really just fits in with the idea of Christianity which is that without actively seeking God's assistance we are all perpetual sinners whether we know it or not.

Basically, speaking on a non-religious level, I agree with you that human motivation is entirely selfish. It's just our nature.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"] Can you think of a worse example of hypocrisy? How many religious people do you know that seem like they really are trying to live their lives in accordance with the morals and rules that they claim to believe in?champion837

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[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

I might take this thread seriously if you didn't believe Jesus was half alien.

wis3boi

I'm going to laugh so hard when you find out that it's true. So was Noah (read the book of Enoch).

Noah didn't exist, neither did the ark or adam and eve

Adam and Eve did exist. There had to be a true beginning of Homo Sapien Sapien somewhere, especially after they traced human DNA back to 1 or 2 individuals.

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"]Besides, atheism isn't a religion, it's a lack of religion.Assassin_87

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[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"]Besides, atheism isn't a religion, it's a lack of religion.CondorCalabasas

Quite the opposite, here is the cycle of an intelligent persons belief system as they progress. Theism>Agnosticism>Atheism. End of story, I don't know your definition of the words, but you've obviously got them wrong.

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"][QUOTE="Assassin_87"]

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"]Besides, atheism isn't a religion, it's a lack of religion.Vaultboy-101

Quite the opposite, here is the cycle of an intelligent persons belief system as they progress. Theism>Agnosticism>Atheism. End of story, I don't know your definition of the words, but you've obviously got them wrong.

Definitions don't determine what people do. I see more Atheists convert to agnostic, than I've seen religious anyone convert to atheism. And an intelligent person doesn't associate themselves with an religion thats against religion. Only an idiot would think thats a cool idea.

CondorCalabasas

Agnosticism and atheism go hand in hand, since agnosticism is about knowledge and atheism is about belief.

Atheism isn't a "cool idea", or a religion. It is only a statement of dis-belief about the metaphysical. Your invalid assertions about atheism only serve to colour your judgement about it.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I'm going to laugh so hard when you find out that it's true. So was Noah (read the book of Enoch).

WiiCubeM1

Noah didn't exist, neither did the ark or adam and eve

Adam and Eve did exist. There had to be a true beginning of Homo Sapien Sapien somewhere, especially after they traced human DNA back to 1 or 2 individuals.

species don't pop out of nowhere

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Noah didn't exist, neither did the ark or adam and eve

wis3boi

Adam and Eve did exist. There had to be a true beginning of Homo Sapien Sapien somewhere, especially after they traced human DNA back to 1 or 2 individuals.

species don't pop out of nowhere

Of course they don't, but there is evidence for a "Mitochondrial Eve" through studies of mitochondrial DNA, dating most or all modern humans back to a single woman. I'm just talking historically, not religiously.

Of course they don't, but there is evidence for a "Mitochondrial Eve" through studies of mitochondrial DNA, dating most or all modern humans back to a single woman. I'm just talking historically, not religiously.

WiiCubeM1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve#Not_the_only_woman

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

Of course they don't, but there is evidence for a "Mitochondrial Eve" through studies of mitochondrial DNA, dating most or all modern humans back to a single woman. I'm just talking historically, not religiously.

RationalAtheist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve#Not_the_only_woman

Ahh... Well, it has been a while since I looked into the evolutionary tree of modern humans. I gave up on biology after I cracked under the pressure in school last year.

Word

Adam and Eve did exist. There had to be a true beginning of Homo Sapien Sapien somewhere, especially after they traced human DNA back to 1 or 2 individuals.WiiCubeM1

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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

:P

whipassmt

I didn't say that Democrats are immune to scandal. Democrats are less likely to be espousing and legislating religious-style morality, however.

I meant sexual morality. Sorry about not making that clear.

It doesn't matter either way,cause they are brainwashed.