IMO Zeitgesit is pretty much correct. Britain and America are like Nazi Germany.

Are our Nations ran by fringe undemocratic institutions and personal bankers or are we free democratic people?

I suspect that our Freedom has become a farce and we are too ignorant to it to notice.

America isn't, nor is it becoming Nazi Germany. It does, however, seem to be turning into Ancient Rome.

Alot of the stuff that's said in Zeitgeist is flat-out false. In all three parts. They just omit information that doesn't go with the message they're trying to present. The very make-up of the film, with its condescending air, freaky music, and fancy editing is a red flag, far as I'm concerned. >_>

I want to vote for our leader

Get rid of gordon Brown

Alot of the stuff that's said in Zeitgeist is flat-out false. In all three parts. They just omit information that doesn't go with the message they're trying to present. The very make-up of the film, with its condescending air, freaky music, and fancy editing is a red flag, far as I'm concerned. >_>

PannicAtack

I'm looking at the clips of Zeitgeist on Youtube and I'm looking at the original, and I have noticed that the clips on youtube have had pieces added and taken away.

I don't know why anyone would want to change it unless they wanted to make it look stupid. Have you seen the original?

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

Alot of the stuff that's said in Zeitgeist is flat-out false. In all three parts. They just omit information that doesn't go with the message they're trying to present. The very make-up of the film, with its condescending air, freaky music, and fancy editing is a red flag, far as I'm concerned. >_>

Tony-Harrison

I'm looking at the clips of Zeitgeist on Youtube and I'm looking at the original, and I have noticed that the clips on youtube have had pieces added and taken away.

freedom is an illusion anyway, people are slaves to their DNA and what they've been tought, there is no free willmarkop2003

America isn't, nor is it becoming Nazi Germany. It does, however, seem to be turning into Ancient Rome.

Zentrenius

*Calls my Christian friend*

"Hey, man, wazzup?! Hey, did any centurions knock on your door and demand to know if you worship Emperor Bush under penalty of being fed to the lions?"

"Nah, man. I just been chilling here, watching the game."

"Who's winning?"

"Well, the heretics are putting up a fight, but the gladiators are slaughtering them, dude. It's not much of a fight. AHH! They'll have trouble cleaning out the Colosseum after this."

"Ah, well. The gladiators always win. Check ya later, muh man. Just wanted to make sure you were okay because some guy on the Internet compared America to ancient Rome. Crazy, right?"

"Yeah, they're totally different. Buh-bye."

*hangs up*

[QUOTE="Zentrenius"]

America isn't, nor is it becoming Nazi Germany. It does, however, seem to be turning into Ancient Rome.

Theokhoth

*Calls my Christian friend*

"Hey, man, wazzup?! Hey, did any centurions knock on your door and demand to know if you worship Emperor Bush under penalty of being fed to the lions?"

"Nah, man. I just been chilling here, watching the game."

"Who's winning?"

"Well, the heretics are putting up a fight, but the gladiators are slaughtering them, dude. It's not much of a fight."

"Ah, well. The gladiators always win. Check ya later, muh man."

*hangs up*

Americans have lost those civil liberties thank to the patriot act.

It's a lot like the enabling act.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Zentrenius"]

America isn't, nor is it becoming Nazi Germany. It does, however, seem to be turning into Ancient Rome.

Tony-Harrison

*Calls my Christian friend*

"Hey, man, wazzup?! Hey, did any centurions knock on your door and demand to know if you worship Emperor Bush under penalty of being fed to the lions?"

"Nah, man. I just been chilling here, watching the game."

"Who's winning?"

"Well, the heretics are putting up a fight, but the gladiators are slaughtering them, dude. It's not much of a fight."

"Ah, well. The gladiators always win. Check ya later, muh man."

*hangs up*

Americans have lost those civil liberties thank to the patriot act.

It's a lot like the enabling act.

What civil liberties? The freedom of religious expression or the freedom of speech?

[QUOTE="Zentrenius"]

America isn't, nor is it becoming Nazi Germany. It does, however, seem to be turning into Ancient Rome.

Theokhoth

*Calls my Christian friend*

"Hey, man, wazzup?! Hey, did any centurions knock on your door and demand to know if you worship Emperor Bush under penalty of being fed to the lions?"

"Nah, man. I just been chilling here, watching the game."

"Who's winning?"

"Well, the heretics are putting up a fight, but the gladiators are slaughtering them, dude. It's not much of a fight. AHH! They'll have trouble cleaning out the Colosseum after this."

"Ah, well. The gladiators always win. Check ya later, muh man."

*hangs up*

I'm looking at it in terms of America basically being all over the world, being the leader (mostly) in military tactics and technology, and one thing that really comes to mind is the issue of babies in America. Abortion, genetic changes, its a little too close to Old Roman culture for my taste. It is the new age "kill the imperfect child."

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Zentrenius"]

America isn't, nor is it becoming Nazi Germany. It does, however, seem to be turning into Ancient Rome.

Theokhoth

*Calls my Christian friend*

"Hey, man, wazzup?! Hey, did any centurions knock on your door and demand to know if you worship Emperor Bush under penalty of being fed to the lions?"

"Nah, man. I just been chilling here, watching the game."

"Who's winning?"

"Well, the heretics are putting up a fight, but the gladiators are slaughtering them, dude. It's not much of a fight."

"Ah, well. The gladiators always win. Check ya later, muh man."

*hangs up*

Americans have lost those civil liberties thank to the patriot act.

It's a lot like the enabling act.

What civil liberties? The freedom of religious expression or the freedom of speech?

Watch Zeitgeist. Just do it.

I'm looking at it in terms of America basically being all over the world, being the leader (mostly) in military tactics and technology, and one thing that really comes to mind is the issue of babies in America. Abortion, genetic changes, its a little too close to Old Roman culture for my taste. It is the new age "kill the imperfect child."

Zentrenius

I agree with what you said about abortion. The rest is not at all comparable to Rome. Rome wasn't just everywhere in the world; Rome WAS the world. Rome controlled everything from economics to trade to religion to politics, and if you said different, you suffered a most cruel and painful death.

Doesn't sound like America to me.

Watch Zeitgeist. Just do it.

Tony-Harrison

I have. I'm tired of hearing about it from people who don't research anything said within the confines of that movie.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Zentrenius"]

America isn't, nor is it becoming Nazi Germany. It does, however, seem to be turning into Ancient Rome.

Tony-Harrison

*Calls my Christian friend*

"Hey, man, wazzup?! Hey, did any centurions knock on your door and demand to know if you worship Emperor Bush under penalty of being fed to the lions?"

"Nah, man. I just been chilling here, watching the game."

"Who's winning?"

"Well, the heretics are putting up a fight, but the gladiators are slaughtering them, dude. It's not much of a fight."

"Ah, well. The gladiators always win. Check ya later, muh man."

*hangs up*

Americans have lost those civil liberties thank to the patriot act.

It's a lot like the enabling act.

What civil liberties? The freedom of religious expression or the freedom of speech?

Watch Zeitgeist. Just do it.

For example, the claims of the mandatory national ID by June 2008... it's August. No such thing has happened.

The Patriot Act does technically enable the government to do very unconstitutional things, however, they aren't going to be using it for much more than sloppy surveilance, as the ACLU and media are waiting to light a fire under their ass. >_>

there is no such thing as freedom. You are always confined by the times, systems, norms, nations, age, DNA, and so on and so forth.CruxisXIII

Yes but Zeitgeist is talking about Financial Slavery.

[QUOTE="Zentrenius"]

I'm looking at it in terms of America basically being all over the world, being the leader (mostly) in military tactics and technology, and one thing that really comes to mind is the issue of babies in America. Abortion, genetic changes, its a little too close to Old Roman culture for my taste. It is the new age "kill the imperfect child."

Theokhoth

I agree with what you said about abortion. The rest is not at all comparable to Rome. Rome wasn't just everywhere in the world; Rome WAS the world. Rome controlled everything from economics to trade to religion to politics, and if you said different, you suffered a most cruel and painful death.

Doesn't sound like America to me.

Good point.

For example, the claims of the mandatory national ID by June 2008... it's August. No such thing has happened.PannicAtack

That DID happen in England. They're still trying to get ID Cards passed.

The Patriot Act does technically enable the government to do very unconstitutional things, however, they aren't going to be using it for much more than sloppy surveilance, as the ACLU and media are waiting to light a fire under their ass. >_>

PannicAtack

Your right. The Patriot Act did enable the government to do very unconstitutional things.

[QUOTE="CruxisXIII"]there is no such thing as freedom. You are always confined by the times, systems, norms, nations, age, DNA, and so on and so forth.Tony-Harrison

Yes but Zeitgeist is talking about Financial Slavery.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]For example, the claims of the mandatory national ID by June 2008... it's August. No such thing has happened.Tony-Harrison

That DID happen in England. They're still trying to get ID Cards passed.

For example, the claims of the mandatory national ID by June 2008... it's August. No such thing has happened.PannicAtack

Well it had already happened. Throughtout the month of June, Bush peronally broke into every Americans house when they are asleep and tagged them with an ID tag. :P

I really hate the Zeitgesit, it is pretty much all crap, and people use it as total fact way too much.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]For example, the claims of the mandatory national ID by June 2008... it's August. No such thing has happened.Chaos_HL21

Well it had already happened. Throughtout the month of June, Bush peronally broke into every Americans house when they are asleep and tagged them with an ID tag. :P

I really hate the Zeitgesit, it is pretty much all crap, and people use it as total fact way too much.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]For example, the claims of the mandatory national ID by June 2008... it's August. No such thing has happened.Chaos_HL21

Well it had already happened. Throughtout the month of June, Bush peronally broke into every Americans house when they are asleep and tagged them with an ID tag. :P

I really hate the Zeitgesit, it is pretty much all crap, and people use it as total fact way too much.

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]For example, the claims of the mandatory national ID by June 2008... it's August. No such thing has happened.LJS9502_basic

Well it had already happened. Throughtout the month of June, Bush peronally broke into every Americans house when they are asleep and tagged them with an ID tag. :P

I really hate the Zeitgesit, it is pretty much all crap, and people use it as total fact way too much.

ID Cards are real in my country.:(

Zeitgeist is real.

The film's very make-up is a gigantic red flag. The whole over-blown 'overture' is an obvious plea to your emotions. Then when it gets to the Carlin monologue, it preys on two emotions - disdain with the audio, and disgust with the visual (particularly with the arrow piercing the heart).

Also, note how the narrator never shows his bloody face, and speaks in a near-monotone. This is to give the illusion of omniscience. This is to make you trust the speaker, and the overture and the awful, awful soundtrack have lulled you into a state of gullibility, so to speak.

Also, be very suspicious of quote mining. >_>

Actually, they are not even close to becoming like Nazi Germany.stedtfeld

Britain was worse than Nazi Germany back when the citizens where all under Serfdom.

[QUOTE="stedtfeld"]Actually, they are not even close to becoming like Nazi Germany.Tony-Harrison

Britain was worse than Nazi Germany back when the citizens where all under Serfdom.

Do you even realize just how bad Nazi Germany was? Comparin to Nazi Germany of certain points is like saying Mozza Cheese and Tuna are the same, just because they both smell bad. Whereas they're not the same at all because one's straight up meat has a totally different taste and texture, and the nutritional info is different too

The Expanding Earth Conspiracy

I guess this one isn't real because you don't see his face either. You people are so swayed by peer pressure and authority that your making up your own stuff. "The fact that he doesn't show his face is to create omnipresence".... it's just a documentary.

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="stedtfeld"]Actually, they are not even close to becoming like Nazi Germany.Scarface_tm431

Britain was worse than Nazi Germany back when the citizens where all under Serfdom.

Do you even realize just how bad Nazi Germany was? Comparin to Nazi Germany of certain points is like saying Mozza Cheese and Tuna are the same, just because they both smell bad. Whereas they're not the same at all because one's straight up meat has a totally different taste and texture, and the nutritional info is different too

Do you have any idea how oppressive Britain was to it's own people?

Anyone caught in any forest who wasn't a lord (95%) was treated as game and could be hunted and killed legally by a lord (5%).

The punishment for killing a serf was a fine that could be afforded by the nobility. But anyone who killed a member of the nobility was sentenced to death.

[QUOTE="Scarface_tm431"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="stedtfeld"]Actually, they are not even close to becoming like Nazi Germany.Tony-Harrison

Britain was worse than Nazi Germany back when the citizens where all under Serfdom.

Do you even realize just how bad Nazi Germany was? Comparin to Nazi Germany of certain points is like saying Mozza Cheese and Tuna are the same, just because they both smell bad. Whereas they're not the same at all because one's straight up meat has a totally different taste and texture, and the nutritional info is different too

Do you have any idea how oppressive Britain was to it's own people?

Anyone caught in any forest who wasn't a lord (95%) was treated as game and could be hunted and killed legally by a lord (5%).

The punishment for killing a serf was a fine that could be afforded by the nobility. But anyone who killed a member of the nobility was sentenced to death.

That was how long ago? Even before the Holocaust?? Plus, if you're part of 95% of the population and you suck at hiding enough to be caught in the woods (why are you even there?) by 5% of the population IN THE WOODS, maybe you should be shot

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]For example, the claims of the mandatory national ID by June 2008... it's August. No such thing has happened.PannicAtack

Well it had already happened. Throughtout the month of June, Bush peronally broke into every Americans house when they are asleep and tagged them with an ID tag. :P

I really hate the Zeitgesit, it is pretty much all crap, and people use it as total fact way too much.

Quote it to me.

Zeitgeist Movie

[QUOTE="Scarface_tm431"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="stedtfeld"]Actually, they are not even close to becoming like Nazi Germany.Tony-Harrison

Britain was worse than Nazi Germany back when the citizens where all under Serfdom.

Do you even realize just how bad Nazi Germany was? Comparin to Nazi Germany of certain points is like saying Mozza Cheese and Tuna are the same, just because they both smell bad. Whereas they're not the same at all because one's straight up meat has a totally different taste and texture, and the nutritional info is different too

Do you have any idea how oppressive Britain was to it's own people?

Anyone caught in any forest who wasn't a lord (95%) was treated as game and could be hunted and killed legally by a lord (5%).

The punishment for killing a serf was a fine that could be afforded by the nobility. But anyone who killed a member of the nobility was sentenced to death.

how times have change

A prime minster who we didnt vote for, and 1 cctv camera for every 14 people

The film's very make-up is a gigantic red flag. The whole over-blown 'overture' is an obvious plea to your emotions. Then when it gets to the Carlin monologue, it preys on two emotions - disdain with the audio, and disgust with the visual (particularly with the arrow piercing the heart).

Also, note how the narrator never shows his bloody face, and speaks in a near-monotone. This is to give the illusion of omniscience. This is to make you trust the speaker, and the overture and the awful, awful soundtrack have lulled you into a state of gullibility, so to speak.

Also, be very suspicious of quote mining. >_>

PannicAtack

With Zeitgeist you have to be more suspicious of the "facts" themselves than quote mining. The first 1/3 of it is almost complete fabrication (I don't know about the rest of the movie since I stopped watching once it launched into it's NWO and 9/11 conspiracy theory bs).

[QUOTE="Scarface_tm431"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="stedtfeld"]Actually, they are not even close to becoming like Nazi Germany.Tony-Harrison

Britain was worse than Nazi Germany back when the citizens where all under Serfdom.

Do you even realize just how bad Nazi Germany was? Comparin to Nazi Germany of certain points is like saying Mozza Cheese and Tuna are the same, just because they both smell bad. Whereas they're not the same at all because one's straight up meat has a totally different taste and texture, and the nutritional info is different too

Do you have any idea how oppressive Britain was to it's own people?

Anyone caught in any forest who wasn't a lord (95%) was treated as game and could be hunted and killed legally by a lord (5%).

The punishment for killing a serf was a fine that could be afforded by the nobility. But anyone who killed a member of the nobility was sentenced to death.

Source please.

I'm not saying I don't believe that the feudal system was oppressive to the lower ****s, I'm just saying that that seems a bit too extreme even for that era.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]For example, the claims of the mandatory national ID by June 2008... it's August. No such thing has happened.Tony-Harrison

Well it had already happened. Throughtout the month of June, Bush peronally broke into every Americans house when they are asleep and tagged them with an ID tag. :P

I really hate the Zeitgesit, it is pretty much all crap, and people use it as total fact way too much.

Quote it to me.

Zeitgeist Movie

"That being said, It is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth, but find out for themselves, for truth is not told, it is realized"

The Expanding Earth Conspiracy

I guess this one isn't real because you don't see his face either. You people are so swayed by peer pressure and authority that your making up your own stuff. "The fact that he doesn't show his face is to create omnipresence".... it's just a documentary.

Tony-Harrison

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

The film's very make-up is a gigantic red flag. The whole over-blown 'overture' is an obvious plea to your emotions. Then when it gets to the Carlin monologue, it preys on two emotions - disdain with the audio, and disgust with the visual (particularly with the arrow piercing the heart).

Also, note how the narrator never shows his bloody face, and speaks in a near-monotone. This is to give the illusion of omniscience. This is to make you trust the speaker, and the overture and the awful, awful soundtrack have lulled you into a state of gullibility, so to speak.

Also, be very suspicious of quote mining. >_>

gameguy6700

With Zeitgeist you have to be more suspicious of the "facts" themselves than quote mining. The first 1/3 of it is almost complete fabrication (I don't know about the rest of the movie since I stopped watching once it launched into it's NWO and 9/11 conspiracy theory bs).

[QUOTE="Scarface_tm431"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="stedtfeld"]Actually, they are not even close to becoming like Nazi Germany.Tony-Harrison

Britain was worse than Nazi Germany back when the citizens where all under Serfdom.

Do you even realize just how bad Nazi Germany was? Comparin to Nazi Germany of certain points is like saying Mozza Cheese and Tuna are the same, just because they both smell bad. Whereas they're not the same at all because one's straight up meat has a totally different taste and texture, and the nutritional info is different too

Do you have any idea how oppressive Britain was to it's own people?

Anyone caught in any forest who wasn't a lord (95%) was treated as game and could be hunted and killed legally by a lord (5%).

The punishment for killing a serf was a fine that could be afforded by the nobility. But anyone who killed a member of the nobility was sentenced to death.

Source please.

I'm not saying I don't believe that the feudal system was oppressive to the lower ****s, I'm just saying that that seems a bit too extreme even for that era.

It was a BBC documentary. When serfs weren't allowed to leave their landowners property.

I'll join what 90% of the people here are saying

Blah blah, blahblahblabh blah, blahblah blah.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Zentrenius"]

America isn't, nor is it becoming Nazi Germany. It does, however, seem to be turning into Ancient Rome.

Tony-Harrison

*Calls my Christian friend*

"Hey, man, wazzup?! Hey, did any centurions knock on your door and demand to know if you worship Emperor Bush under penalty of being fed to the lions?"

"Nah, man. I just been chilling here, watching the game."

"Who's winning?"

"Well, the heretics are putting up a fight, but the gladiators are slaughtering them, dude. It's not much of a fight."

"Ah, well. The gladiators always win. Check ya later, muh man."

*hangs up*

Americans have lost those civil liberties thank to the patriot act.

It's a lot like the enabling act.

I'll join what 90% of the people here are saying

Blah blah, blahblahblabh blah, blahblah blah.

Infinite-Zr0

90% of the people here are moronic.

Zeitgeist has been placed down on South Park hasn't it? IIRC they made fun of it. It shows just how much control the media have over popular consciousness. How many people here remember that giant South Park Wii advertisement?

It was a BBC documentary. When serfs weren't allowed to leave their landowners property.Tony-Harrison

IIRC Serfdom in england was pretty much ended in the 1500s

[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"]

I'll join what 90% of the people here are saying

Blah blah, blahblahblabh blah, blahblah blah.

Tony-Harrison

90% of the people here are moronic.

Zeitgeist has been placed down on South Park hasn't it? IIRC they made fun of it.

I love how for your defense in comparing US and Britain to Nazi Germany you pulled out Serfdom, which happened before Nazi Germany. So I'm pretty sure you should go do some more reading instead of watching a movie and thinking you know all, before calling people here morons...

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]It was a BBC documentary. When serfs weren't allowed to leave their landowners property.Chaos_HL21

IIRC Serfdom in england was pretty much ended in the 1500s

Each generation of megalomaniacs will have to go about their evil in a new way. Religion, Serfdom, Racism, Debt, have all been used to control people.

Many of the defining factors of serfdom never went away. We are still indebted to the land we live on. Britain created a merchant class system around the time of the signing of the Magna Carter (the foundation of Democracy in Britain and traditionally America) which saw the end of traditional serfdom and the foundation of where we are today.