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#101 bungie93
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

1.) relative to the number of black Democrats, there are very few black Republicans. don't be naieve. Don't expect us to be either, k?

2.) It was a stereotype that perpetuated racism. Don't try to drag me down into some simple-minded debate over semantics. it cheapens the impact of the experience.

3.) No, you just defend Republicans at every turn. Including now. As you bill this "silly GOP bashing"...except that it's not a trivial matter, and it was a vein of the GOP.

wanna try again? without trying to find ways to excuse everything done in the OP?

Dreams-Visions

1. Perhaps you shouldn't say that there are so few black Republicans, and should instead say there are few black Republicans in relation to black Democrats?

2. Stereotype =/= racism. It's that simple, even if it does help fuel racism.

3. I am not defending Republicans here; I'm saying that your accusation that this is racism is not true. You bash the GOP in just about every topic you make and are so incredibly biased that it's laughable. It gets annoying.

1.) Because there ARE very few. How about you name off all the black politicians in Washington DC that are Reublican. I'll even let you include Michael Steele. Shouldn't be hard. there are only about 8 of them. ;) Then you can tell me who in the CBC are Republicans. Again, I'll wait.

2.) Semantics. It's been used as a weapon to HURT black people. It is a tool used to perpetuate racism and racial stereotypes used to subjugate and margianalize the black Americans in order to perpetuate the idea of them as less than equal. These images existed and persisted in these ways into the late 80s. the people who put this together knew what it would hit and what it means. It really IS that simple.

3.) See #2. This was an act used to stoke the same fires of bigotry and racism we've seen time and time again. Your game of semantics is just that...a game. and a deviation from the real issue at hand. This item not only offends the black community, it offends fellow black GOPers. But this is the internet...where internet boldness like yours can persist. The reality is that you wouldn't tell a black GOPer who is rightly offended by this (like the black Republican interviewed in the OP) that it isn't racist to her face. Nor to mine. So do what you do...play your game...but expect me to sit it out. I know what it is. I've seen it time and time again. The only thing it lacks is a noose...but people like YOU would simply say that "well you know...people of all colors were hung, so...it's not a symbol of racism or our racist past...it's just a coincidence that these symobls find themselves aligned together in a way that denegrates a black man..."

3a.) The funniest part of it to me is that, I could care less if there were perpetuated by the GOP...as do you. The fact of the matter is no matter who created this I would have this very same opinion about it being wrong, racist and disgusting...and you'd sit there and issue the same defense of it. so cut the BS. It's no more about the GOP than watermelon is. It's about the continuation and abuse of historically denigrating imagry to stir up those emotions.

*hardest eye-roll ever*

You can do better than this.

Personally I think the dearth of black republicans is really pathetic. It leads to the stereotyping of black people as a lazy group that relies on welfare and other government services.

What is even more pathetic, however, is the way black republicans are treated by the liberal black community. I live in Maryland and I remember watching black people throw Oreos at Michael Steele.

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[QUOTE="TBoogy"]As always, dreams, it was a pleasure to watch you do battle. To the republicans honest enough to call this what it is, i commend you. to those that say it is a stereotype not racism, to think that most blacks love fried chicken and watermelon is to believe a stereotype. to print imagery based on that as an attempt at insult in racist.Dreams-Visions

thanks for the encouragement. I felt that man. it's crazy to me...some of the things I see here.

I needed that.

one.

I feel you. some here can make you forget that the aim is to love one another. on those days i just walk away or not reply. but i wanted to give you my support.
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#103 FalcoLX
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I don't get it :?

I'm not trying to be naive so will some body explain it w/o ****ing all over me?

Lockedge

People make racist stereotypes that black people love KFC/friend chicken and watermelon. Among other things you see on the picture. It's a stereotype.

:lol: Friend chicken FTW.

Yes this is disguting. She knew full well what she was doing when she made that.

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#104 Enosh88
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[QUOTE="bungie93"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="bungie93"]

Yeah, and the 95% of black people voting for Obama aren't racist at all.

Dreams-Visions

Are you implying that if you're black and voting for Obama you're racist?

I'm making the point that racism exists in both parties and that, surprisingly, black people can be racist too.

I know 0 black people that think blacks are superior to whites. I think you need to absorb the definition of "racism", because you have it mixed up with "prejudice" and "bias"...or in the case of Obama, "proud".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_islam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacism

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Racism will never end, but atleast there'll be change in NA this November.

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#106 Lonelynight
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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]

I don't get it :?

I'm not trying to be naive so will some body explain it w/o ****ing all over me?

Lockedge

People make racist stereotypes that black people love KFC/friend chicken and watermelon. Among other things you see on the picture. It's a stereotype.

Whats racist about that?

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I dont see the problem
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Racism will never end, but atleast there'll be change in NA this November.

ReverseCycology

Socialism?

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#109 Mafiree
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Jeremiah Wright?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQWuQVE6sw

"I don't think my church is controversial" -Obama

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#110 Vfanek
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Is this some joke that only Americans are supposed to get? I'm guessing it's some stupid stereotype I don't know about.
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#111 eloyc
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[QUOTE="eloyc"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="eloyc"]

Bush has been compared so many times with macaques that I can't even remember, and nobody complained about that.

It seems that once you make a joke with a black person, you're a racist. I'm not saying that there's no racist people that like to be offensive against black people, but there's also people that make critical jokes and that's it.

Not every joke that includes a black person is because of racism.

Dreams-Visions

........ What are you talking about? What critical joke is to be made from this that does NOT include race when you incorporate a bucket of fried chicken and watermellon with him?

I'm talking in general terms, I didn't say that this is a clear critical joke, but I meant that sometimes the word 'racism' is overused.

I'm sorry, you said this is a joke and that "racism" is overused? see...you're probably really young and perhaps somewhat clueless. let me clue you in to some fun Jim Crow-era memoribilia:

so um....where's teh funnay? these images and archetypes were used to perpetuate some of the worst, most degrading violations in American history.

or do you even know what an archetype is? Jim Crow? Is all this new to you? Ignorance is not an excuse for supposing these matters are trivial.

Racism is often times misused (most recently by whites), but real racism and racist depictions exist and persist. If you can't understand how this is in that same vein of BS, you need to do some remedial early-mid 1900's study.

But don't ever be so uninformed as to try to excuse something like this.

How in the world is this racist? It's steroetypical, not racist; there is, amazingly, a difference.Theokhoth

For once I agree with Theokhoth. Those are just stereotypes, and IF they are not used with the idea of being truly offensive, they are innoffensive.

Take a look at these:

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'Oh, those typical depictions of English people having tea. How racist they are!' :roll:

When a STEREOTYPE doesn't imply the inferiority of a race, that's not a racist issue.

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I don't think they meant it to be racist, just people not thinking ahead before they do something.

But race had already been in this election, I been called racist for not voting for Obama. I don't care about the color of Obama's skin, I do have a respect for him, but don't agree with his views. But I find race to be pointless, we are all humans.

Racism will never end, but atleast there'll be change in NA this November.

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Change? Change isn't coming if Obama or McCain wins.

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#113 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="bungie93"]

Yeah, and the 95% of black people voting for Obama aren't racist at all.

bungie93

Are you implying that if you're black and voting for Obama you're racist?

I'm making the point that racism exists in both parties and that, surprisingly, black people can be racist too.

Exactly. I remember, for example, in the newest Harold and Kumar movie, when Kumar accused this black guard of being racist, that he replied with "Dude...I'm black.". LoL wtf? What's that supposed to mean? That black people can't be racist? I still remember this black guy flicking me off back when I was like 5 or 6 in Malaysia. I was sitting at the back of the bus, looked behind me and this large, black, scowling man driving the van behind the bus gave me the finger. Lovely.

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#114 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eloyc"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="eloyc"]

Bush has been compared so many times with macaques that I can't even remember, and nobody complained about that.

It seems that once you make a joke with a black person, you're a racist. I'm not saying that there's no racist people that like to be offensive against black people, but there's also people that make critical jokes and that's it.

Not every joke that includes a black person is because of racism.

eloyc

........ What are you talking about? What critical joke is to be made from this that does NOT include race when you incorporate a bucket of fried chicken and watermellon with him?

I'm talking in general terms, I didn't say that this is a clear critical joke, but I meant that sometimes the word 'racism' is overused.

I'm sorry, you said this is a joke and that "racism" is overused? see...you're probably really young and perhaps somewhat clueless. let me clue you in to some fun Jim Crow-era memoribilia:

so um....where's teh funnay? these images and archetypes were used to perpetuate some of the worst, most degrading violations in American history.

or do you even know what an archetype is? Jim Crow? Is all this new to you? Ignorance is not an excuse for supposing these matters are trivial.

Racism is often times misused (most recently by whites), but real racism and racist depictions exist and persist. If you can't understand how this is in that same vein of BS, you need to do some remedial early-mid 1900's study.

But don't ever be so uninformed as to try to excuse something like this.

How in the world is this racist? It's steroetypical, not racist; there is, amazingly, a difference.Theokhoth

For once I agree with Theokhoth. Those are just stereotypes, and IF they are not used with the idea of being truly offensive, they are innoffensive.

Take a look at these:

'Oh, those typical depictions of English people having tea. How racist they are!' :roll:

When a STEREOTYPE doesn't imply the inferiority of a race, that's not a racist issue.

Kinda bizarre that you'd compare English people having Tea to imagry that was used to further the notion that an entire people needed to be oppressed, denied rights, lynched, hanged, and mentally raped. Yea...those English and their tea...truly horrid what those images were used for. :|

Answer the following, simple questions:

-Do you believe all those items were assembled...coincidentally?

-Do you understand the historical margianilization that has come with said icons and images? How those images were used to foster a mindset to oppress, degrade, suppress and deny rights to blacks? How these connections were used as tools to create a mindset that supposed blacks to be inferior and thus unequal?

-Do you believe this foodstamp was designed to promote or encourage Obama, rather than degrade?

-Do you believe the same items would have appeared on a food stamp designed for Hillary Clinton or John Edwards, had they been the nominee? Would the stamp have existed at all?

-Do you understand what's wrong with this:

?

-Have you ever seen these shows or cartoons? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C45g3YP7JOk ? Understand how they hurt an entire people?

.

That you would compare the Jim Crow black experience in America to...Brits drinking tea is...I'll give you a free pass if you're not American. It's laughably uninformed. Laughably.

I don't think they meant it to be racist, just people not thinking ahead before they do something.

Chaos_HL21
you can answer the questions above as well.

The imagery that directly relates to the creators choices has been presented. How one denies the connection staring you in the face is...I'll just call it "interesting" for now. Uninformed at best.

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#115 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="bungie93"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="bungie93"]

Yeah, and the 95% of black people voting for Obama aren't racist at all.

Hexagon_777

Are you implying that if you're black and voting for Obama you're racist?

I'm making the point that racism exists in both parties and that, surprisingly, black people can be racist too.

Exactly. I remember, for example, in the newest Harold and Kumar movie, when Kumar accused this black guard of being racist, that he replied with "Dude...I'm black.". LoL wtf? What's that supposed to mean? That black people can't be racist? I still remember this black guy flicking me off back when I was like 5 or 6 in Malaysia. I was sitting at the back of the bus, looked behind me and this large, black, scowling man driving the van behind the bus gave me the finger. Lovely.

You know black people that believe blacks are superior to whites? where!? where?! You do know that's the basic definition of racism, right?

Prejudice? Sure, some are. Bigoted? Sure, some are. Biased? Certainly, some are. Racist? You'll have to look long and hard to find black people who believe whites are an inferior race.

Hope we all learn our definitions soon...

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That's just ridiculous. What a bunch of dumb****s. That said, I could go for some fried chicken.
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'Oh, those typical depictions of English people having tea. How racist they are!' :roll:

When a STEREOTYPE doesn't imply the inferiority of a race, that's not a racist issue.

eloyc
The English people are NOT a "race".
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[QUOTE="eloyc"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eloyc"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="eloyc"]

Bush has been compared so many times with macaques that I can't even remember, and nobody complained about that.

It seems that once you make a joke with a black person, you're a racist. I'm not saying that there's no racist people that like to be offensive against black people, but there's also people that make critical jokes and that's it.

Not every joke that includes a black person is because of racism.

Dreams-Visions

........ What are you talking about? What critical joke is to be made from this that does NOT include race when you incorporate a bucket of fried chicken and watermellon with him?

I'm talking in general terms, I didn't say that this is a clear critical joke, but I meant that sometimes the word 'racism' is overused.

I'm sorry, you said this is a joke and that "racism" is overused? see...you're probably really young and perhaps somewhat clueless. let me clue you in to some fun Jim Crow-era memoribilia:

so um....where's teh funnay? these images and archetypes were used to perpetuate some of the worst, most degrading violations in American history.

or do you even know what an archetype is? Jim Crow? Is all this new to you? Ignorance is not an excuse for supposing these matters are trivial.

Racism is often times misused (most recently by whites), but real racism and racist depictions exist and persist. If you can't understand how this is in that same vein of BS, you need to do some remedial early-mid 1900's study.

But don't ever be so uninformed as to try to excuse something like this.

How in the world is this racist? It's steroetypical, not racist; there is, amazingly, a difference.Theokhoth

For once I agree with Theokhoth. Those are just stereotypes, and IF they are not used with the idea of being truly offensive, they are innoffensive.

Take a look at these:

'Oh, those typical depictions of English people having tea. How racist they are!' :roll:

When a STEREOTYPE doesn't imply the inferiority of a race, that's not a racist issue.

Kinda bizarre that you'd compare English people having Tea to imagry that was used to further the notion that an entire people needed to be oppressed, denied rights, lynched, hanged, and mentally raped. Yea...those English and their tea...truly horrid what those images were used for. :|

Answer the following, simple questions:

-Do you believe all those items were assembled...coincidentally?

-Do you understand the historical margianilization that has come with said icons and images? How those images were used to foster a mindset to oppress, degrade, suppress and deny rights to blacks? How these connections were used as tools to create a mindset that supposed blacks to be inferior and thus unequal?

-Do you believe this foodstamp was designed to promote or encourage Obama, rather than degrade?

-Do you believe the same items would have appeared on a food stamp designed for Hillary Clinton or John Edwards, had they been the nominee? Would the stamp have existed at all?

-Do you understand what's wrong with this:

?

-Have you ever seen these shows or cartoons? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C45g3YP7JOk ? Understand how they hurt an entire people?

.

That you would compare the Jim Crow black experience in America to...Brits drinking tea is...I'll give you a free pass if you're not American. It's laughably uninformed. Laughably.

Ok, dude. Laugh what you want. Sorry, I'm so immature. My respects to the boss.

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#119 eloyc
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'Oh, those typical depictions of English people having tea. How racist they are!' :roll:

When a STEREOTYPE doesn't imply the inferiority of a race, that's not a racist issue.

Jandurin

The English people are NOT a "race".

Of course I know that English people are NOT a "race" :lol:

That was an example to show some frequent CULTURAL (not racial) references.

I just don't see why is considered to be degrading to eat watermelon :roll:. Of course it may have some negative connotations in some contexts, and I'm not denying that, but an excessive victimism doesn't help at all.

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kool-aid, watermelon, and chicken...... subtle. real subtle.
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I just don't see why is considered to be degrading to eat watermelon :roll:. Of course it may have some negative connotations in some contexts, and I'm not denying that, but an excessive victimism doesn't help at all.

eloyc
How about this. They would never have made that the way they did if the Democratic candidate wasn't black.
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#122 eloyc
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I just don't see why is considered to be degrading to eat watermelon :roll:. Of course it may have some negative connotations in some contexts, and I'm not denying that, but an excessive victimism doesn't help at all.

Jandurin

How about this. They would never have made that the way they did if the Democratic candidate wasn't black.

I admit it's bad taste, but racist? I'm not so sure.

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This is racist. It is a racist stereotype.

Who knows maybe Obama does like watermelon and chicken, but automatically associating them with him because he is black is racist. They are perpetuating a tradition of racist stereotypes (evidence provided by Dreams-Visions). Utterly ignorant.

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#124 DOS4dinner
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Obama on a foodstamp: Priceless.

Obama being surrounded by known racial stereotypes: Stupid. What were they thinking? I hate Obama, and even I know that is over the line.

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#125 bradleybhoy
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="eloyc"]

I just don't see why is considered to be degrading to eat watermelon :roll:. Of course it may have some negative connotations in some contexts, and I'm not denying that, but an excessive victimism doesn't help at all.

eloyc

How about this. They would never have made that the way they did if the Democratic candidate wasn't black.

I admit it's bad taste, but racist? I'm not so sure.

Do people understand the term "racist"?

The stereotype being perpetuated here is that people with BLACK SKIN apparently all love watermelon and chicken. Obama, if you hadn't noticed, has black skin. That is why the watermelon and chicken is on the foodstamp. It was motivated by Obama's race. It is racist.

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#126 eloyc
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[QUOTE="eloyc"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="eloyc"]

I just don't see why is considered to be degrading to eat watermelon :roll:. Of course it may have some negative connotations in some contexts, and I'm not denying that, but an excessive victimism doesn't help at all.

bradleybhoy

How about this. They would never have made that the way they did if the Democratic candidate wasn't black.

I admit it's bad taste, but racist? I'm not so sure.

Do people understand the term "racist"?

The stereotype being perpetuated here is that people with BLACK SKIN apparently all love watermelon and chicken. Obama, if you hadn't noticed, has black skin. That is why the watermelon and chicken is on the foodstamp. It was motivated by Obama's race. It is racist.

Ok, I'll say that is racist but I make a question (without sarcasm).

Does it make inferior a race because people of that race eat watermelon and chicken? That stereotype shows eating habits, it doesn't imply an inferiority. It's also typical to say that Italian people eat pizza and so on.

What do you think?

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[QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="eloyc"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="eloyc"]

I just don't see why is considered to be degrading to eat watermelon :roll:. Of course it may have some negative connotations in some contexts, and I'm not denying that, but an excessive victimism doesn't help at all.

eloyc

How about this. They would never have made that the way they did if the Democratic candidate wasn't black.

I admit it's bad taste, but racist? I'm not so sure.

Do people understand the term "racist"?

The stereotype being perpetuated here is that people with BLACK SKIN apparently all love watermelon and chicken. Obama, if you hadn't noticed, has black skin. That is why the watermelon and chicken is on the foodstamp. It was motivated by Obama's race. It is racist.

Ok, I'll say that is racist but I make a question (without sarcasm).

Does it make inferior a race because people of that race eat watermelon and chicken? That stereotype shows eating habits, it doesn't imply an inferiority. It's also typical to say that Italian people eat pizza and so on.

What do you think?

Yeah of course it doesn't. These kind of stereotypes looked at now are laughable. However back when black Americans had their lives extremely limited by racist oppression having these stereotypes imposed on them must have have been very humiliating and degrading. And this foodstamp only recalls the hate and injustice of that era.

In fact the historical reason these kind of foodstuffs are associated with black people is because chicken, watermelon, chittlins etc. were relatviely cheap food and so that's what slaves ate.

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#128 bradleybhoy
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Dave Chapelle - Chicken

omg :lol:

He just totally exposes the absurdity of the stereotype.

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#129 Dreams-Visions
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Obama on a foodstamp: Priceless.

Obama being surrounded by known racial stereotypes: Stupid. What were they thinking? I hate Obama, and even I know that is over the line.

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exactly how I felt. the foodstamp by itself with Obama on it would have been JUST FINE. and hilarious. but the addition of racial symbols.
[QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="eloyc"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="eloyc"]

I just don't see why is considered to be degrading to eat watermelon :roll:. Of course it may have some negative connotations in some contexts, and I'm not denying that, but an excessive victimism doesn't help at all.

eloyc

How about this. They would never have made that the way they did if the Democratic candidate wasn't black.

I admit it's bad taste, but racist? I'm not so sure.

Do people understand the term "racist"?

The stereotype being perpetuated here is that people with BLACK SKIN apparently all love watermelon and chicken. Obama, if you hadn't noticed, has black skin. That is why the watermelon and chicken is on the foodstamp. It was motivated by Obama's race. It is racist.

Ok, I'll say that is racist but I make a question (without sarcasm).

Does it make inferior a race because people of that race eat watermelon and chicken? That stereotype shows eating habits, it doesn't imply an inferiority. It's also typical to say that Italian people eat pizza and so on.

What do you think?

Please watch. it's only a few minutes long. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C45g3YP7JOk

these are the images that were used to encourage, foster, promote and execute some of the most systemic margainalization of black Americans. they were used in the context of, "See? that's why those people are inferior. look at them eating that inferior food, dancing all around. good thing they don't have rights..." those were the images used to perpetuate the reason to believe blacks were less than.

If you have more questions, I'm sure someone here can elaborate further. If you prefer reading, I have no shortage of interesting reads for your consideration. Perspective is necessary in understanding the root of some actions in life. the past helps you interpret the present and understand how to avoid it in the future.

Edit: and a couple more for added perspective -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7cvsh2iIwQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LMrdcs4ucc

FYI - I saw many of these cartoons on TV when I was little (mid-late 80s)

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#130 mrbojangles25  Online
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"I apologize. It clearly wasnt my intention to offend anyone"

Really? It clearly was not your intention to stereotype the african-american race and culture? Oh, its ok then...I guess you just chose coolade, watermelon, and chicken by coincedence then.

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#131 Dreams-Visions
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I see my help finally arrived. :)

thanks fellas!

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#132 eloyc
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Yeah of course it doesn't. These kind of stereotypes looked at now are laughable. However back when black Americans had their lives extremely limited by racist oppression having these stereotypes imposed on them must have have been very humiliating and degrading. And this foodstamp only recalls the hate and injustice of that era.

In fact the historical reason these kind of foodstuffs are associated with black people is because chicken, watermelon, chittlins etc. were relatviely cheap food and so that's what slaves ate.bradleybhoy

Please watch. it's only a few minutes long. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C45g3YP7JOk

these are the images that were used to encourage, foster, promote and execute some of the most systemic margainalization of black Americans. they were used in the context of, "See? that's why those people are inferior. look at them eating that inferior food, dancing all around. good thing they don't have rights..." those were the images used to perpetuate the reason to believe blacks were less than.

If you have more questions, I'm sure someone here can elaborate further. If you prefer reading, I have no shortage of interesting reads for your consideration. Perspective is necessary in understanding the root of some actions in life. the past helps you interpret the present and understand how to avoid it in the future.

Edit: and a couple more for added perspective -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7cvsh2iIwQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LMrdcs4ucc

FYI - I saw many of these cartoons on TV when I was little (mid-late 80s)

Dreams-Visions

Ok. That's what I meant. That can't be considered racist 'per se' but are the connotations I said that make it racist? Is it that?

By the way, thank you for the information.

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#133 Oscar-Wilde
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My eyes watered a little, they really did.
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#134 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="bradleybhoy"]Yeah of course it doesn't. These kind of stereotypes looked at now are laughable. However back when black Americans had their lives extremely limited by racist oppression having these stereotypes imposed on them must have have been very humiliating and degrading. And this foodstamp only recalls the hate and injustice of that era.

In fact the historical reason these kind of foodstuffs are associated with black people is because chicken, watermelon, chittlins etc. were relatviely cheap food and so that's what slaves ate.eloyc

Please watch. it's only a few minutes long. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C45g3YP7JOk

these are the images that were used to encourage, foster, promote and execute some of the most systemic margainalization of black Americans. they were used in the context of, "See? that's why those people are inferior. look at them eating that inferior food, dancing all around. good thing they don't have rights..." those were the images used to perpetuate the reason to believe blacks were less than.

If you have more questions, I'm sure someone here can elaborate further. If you prefer reading, I have no shortage of interesting reads for your consideration. Perspective is necessary in understanding the root of some actions in life. the past helps you interpret the present and understand how to avoid it in the future.

Edit: and a couple more for added perspective -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7cvsh2iIwQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LMrdcs4ucc

FYI - I saw many of these cartoons on TV when I was little (mid-late 80s)

Dreams-Visions

Ok. That's what I meant. That can't be considered racist 'per se' but are the connotations I said that make it racist? Is it that?

By the way, thank you for the information.

It's really more about what the imagry was used to promote. ugly, lazy, dangerous, sleepy, dumb, ignorant, stupid and dim-witted. to laugh at and degrade black americans. the race that was to be the butt of all jokes. the resuts of which encouraged the continuation of the oppression of them as an inferior race of people, that must remain separate and limited. hence those pictures of bizarre looking charactures of dark blacks with watermelon in their laps. the encouragement and fostering of the notion of black inferiority is the very definition of racism. what we're discussing here are the painful and unique tools used to promote it. these items and symbols, when grouped together, form an unmistakable union in the eyes of all who have seen them grouped together before (those video links provided, and those images I posted ealier). to a painful RECENT past. Again, I saw these very same cartoons on USA and Nickalodeon when I was little.

A little something brief to look over: http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/history/surviving.htm

looks like a pretty decent synopsis.

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#135 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="bungie93"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="bungie93"]

Yeah, and the 95% of black people voting for Obama aren't racist at all.

Dreams-Visions

Are you implying that if you're black and voting for Obama you're racist?

I'm making the point that racism exists in both parties and that, surprisingly, black people can be racist too.

Exactly. I remember, for example, in the newest Harold and Kumar movie, when Kumar accused this black guard of being racist, that he replied with "Dude...I'm black.". LoL wtf? What's that supposed to mean? That black people can't be racist? I still remember this black guy flicking me off back when I was like 5 or 6 in Malaysia. I was sitting at the back of the bus, looked behind me and this large, black, scowling man driving the van behind the bus gave me the finger. Lovely.

You know black people that believe blacks are superior to whites? where!? where?! You do know that's the basic definition of racism, right?

Prejudice? Sure, some are. Bigoted? Sure, some are. Biased? Certainly, some are. Racist? You'll have to look long and hard to find black people who believe whites are an inferior race.

Hope we all learn our definitions soon...

Oh God, here we go with DV belittling the people he argues with and assuming his way to Hell and back! Definitely not a surprise! We'll never get over this barrier if people are so stubborn as to constantly differentiate between the colors of their skin. Nitpicking won't help either.

Anyway, since you are suggesting that it is extremely rare to find black racists, could you please back it up? Otherwise, it just sounds silly. Claiming that racism only really goes one way is just ridiculous.

In addition to that, isn't it true that black people are keeping racism alive as a kind of weapon? Don't they want to protect their claim to victim status? Is it not used as a means to frighten and suppress white people? Isn't it true that Africans have had white slaves? Isn't it true that black people make little jabs at white people but when white people do something similar, they get screwed to Hell and back? Why is it that my darker skinned friends constantly mention how white I am? Why do they associate being white with being dorky?

I mean, black people have come up to white Austrian friends of mine and "jokingly" went "Heil Hitler and kept asking if they supported Hitler's ideals. Isn't that a racist stereotype? That all white Austrians support Hitler That all black Americans like chicken?

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#136 YourOldFriend
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LMAO, that's hilarious. People are uptight and overly PC. Without offensive humor, the world would be a lot less funny. Learn to take a joke.
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#137 Enosh88
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I mean, black people have come up to white Austrian friends of mine and "jokingly" went "Heil Hitler and kept asking if they supported Hitler's ideals. Isn't that a racist stereotype? That all white Austrians support Hitler That all black Americans like chicken?

Hexagon_777

didn't you get the memo? Blacks can't be racist for some reason.

the race that was to be the butt of all jokes. Dreams-Visions

lies! I know more jew jokes than jokes about blacks :P