Insane - Girl fined for defending herself

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I suppose people don't even have the right to defend themselves anymore without getting into trouble.

.......she kept kicking the man in the head after he was unconsious. She easily could have killed him.

Considering that no charges were pressed against her I'm not totally in disagreement with this.

It says she was with her boyfriend at the time it happened, yet the article doesn't tell you if the boyfriend did anything. Either he looked on like a wimp and let his girl get assaulted or the article ignored his actions against the older guy.

There's some serious misleading going on around here...

Its just 500 pounds, its not like its a really severe punishment.xTheExploited

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"] Its just 500 pounds, its not like its a really severe punishment.MushroomWig

Well she did kick him in the head a few times when he was already unconscious.That pretty unnecessary. However that guy got no charges? WTF.:|

Am I seriously the only one bothered that her BF didn't help her?

"Burleigh, who was with her boyfriend Christopher Twaddle, 21, ripped off Docherty's black, paramilitary-style balaclava and defended herself."

if this were two guys and one guy continued to beat the other long after the fight was over would you have the same attitude?

Serraph105

Better yet, two guys being assaulted by a woman, only to have the woman being kicked in the head several times.

"No charges were brought against Docherty." .Rattlesnake_8

There's some serious misleading going on around here...

Oscar-Wilde

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]

There's some serious misleading going on around here...

HexedPelican

[QUOTE="HexedPelican"][QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]

There's some serious misleading going on around here...

MushroomWig

She used excessive force. It's not defending yourself once the person is unconscious. There's people in the States that have gone to jail for that.

She used excessive force. It's not defending yourself once the person is unconscious.cd_rom

It's hard to judge a situation when you're scared to death as someone is trying to attack you for no reason.

I suppose it's easier to judge when you're on the sidelines reading about it.

MushroomWig

The guy was knocked out. It's not like kicking him in the head will make him more knocked out.

Here in CA you go to prison for defending yourself...

[QUOTE="cd_rom"]She used excessive force. It's not defending yourself once the person is unconscious.MushroomWig

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"] Its just 500 pounds, its not like its a really severe punishment.MushroomWig

EDIT: Also yes people need to know that they can't just beat someone even when they're unconcious. Its similar to police brutality, a lot of the time the person being beaten by an officer did commit a crime. But that doesn't mean they are now open to being beaten severely. The girl had him unconcious already and continued beating him to a point where he wasn't far from death.

foundher on facebook,she's not hot,hence the punishment is well deserved.

foundher on facebook,she's not hot,hence the punishment is well deserved.

VaguelyTagged

She's lucky it was only £500, yes they guy was the initial attacker but when he was unconscious she should of stoped or her boyfriend should of stoped her (that is if he was still there as this happend). Using the excuse that she was scared to death isn't a good excuse, thats like saying its fine if you beat a friend unconscious or worse because they jumped out at you when its dark as a joke scaring you. The guy shouldn't of been let off without even a fine though, thats just ridiculous.

[QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"]

foundher on facebook,she's not hot,hence the punishment is well deserved.

MushroomWig

Doesn't matter if she used excessive force. When someone breaks into your home, you're supposed to let them rape and plunder as they plesae, while waiting patiently for the police to arrive.

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"]

foundher on facebook,she's not hot,hence the punishment is well deserved.

VaguelyTagged

hm, did you read the article? she's not being fined for defending herself, she's fined for kicking the guy in the face after he was unconscious. She also didn't call the cops, which would have been a sensible thing to do, rather than kick his face in.

The fact that she went too far is irrelevant in my opinion. It wouldn't have happened at all had he not followed her home in the first place. 100% the guys fault everything after that fact is just details.

Also, what a loser boyfriend :lol:

hm, did you read the article? she's not being fined for defending herself, she's fined for kicking the guy in the face after he was unconscious. She also didn't call the cops, which would have a sensible thing to do, rather than kick his face in.

SirWander

However, she went too far by continuing to kick her attacker on the head even after he was knocked unconscious.

You have the right to use reasonable force, not bludgeon someone until they're unconscious i.e targetting the legs rather than the head after the person fell down.

Like I said, it's hard to judge a situation unless you're involved, was she supposed to ask her attacker if he was unconscious?MushroomWig

Yes. Civilians (e.g., most all of you) should be responsible for utilizing a measured continuum of force in a high intensity situation.

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"]Like I said, it's hard to judge a situation unless you're involved, was she supposed to ask her attacker if he was unconscious?Palantas

Yes. Civilians (e.g., most all of you) should be responsible for utilizing a measured continuum of force in a high intensity situation.

[QUOTE="SirWander"]

hm, did you read the article? she's not being fined for defending herself, she's fined for kicking the guy in the face after he was unconscious. She also didn't call the cops, which would have a sensible thing to do, rather than kick his face in.

MushroomWig

you can defend yourself from an attacker, I don't think anyone here will dispute that. She went too far.

But wouldn't it be obvious that he was unconscious, unless he's a masochist and actually enjoyed being kicked.

it's not like I pity the drunkard, he deserved it as much as she deserves that fine.

So a woman repeatedly kicks a unconscious man in the head and then gets in trouble with the law.

Seems about right

[QUOTE="I"]

Civilians (e.g., most all of you) should be responsible for utilizing a measured continuum of force in a high intensity situation.

MushroomWig

Tough. She should have been more calm and collected, and relied on her military/police training when a crazy man broke into her house. I'm sure the people in this thread making comments like "She shouldn't have knocked him out" are very careful not render unconsious any assailants that have ever entered their homes.

EDIT: I was just informed that the crazy man didn't breake into her home. Correction noted.

So a woman repeatedly kicks a unconscious man in the head and then gets in trouble with the law.

Seems about right

toast_burner

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="I"]

Civilians (e.g., most all of you) should be responsible for utilizing a measured continuum of force in a high intensity situation.

Palantas

Tough. She should have been more calm and collected, and relied on her military/police training when a crazy man broke into her house. I'm sure the people in this thread making comments like "She shouldn't have knocked him out" are very careful not render unconsious any assailants that have ever entered their homes.

It wasn't in the house though so he didn't breake in, dosn't mean he should of done it though but you should get the facts right first :P

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"] Its just 500 pounds, its not like its a really severe punishment.MushroomWig

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

So a woman repeatedly kicks a unconscious man in the head and then gets in trouble with the law.

Seems about right

MushroomWig

Doesn't matter if she used excessive force. When someone breaks into your home, you're supposed to let them rape and plunder as they plesae, while waiting patiently for the police to arrive.

Palantas

Its similar to police brutality, a lot of the time the person being beaten by an officer did commit a crime. But that doesn't mean they are now open to being beaten severely. The girl had him unconcious already and continued beating him to a point where he wasn't far from death.

xTheExploited

I'm being sarcastic with Mushroom, but I'll be straight foward here. Police are trained to deal with situations like this. They are paid to protectpeople (even violent suspects), and supposed to be able to deal with stressful situations. Is there some sort of mandatory, government-certified self-defense training that all people in (wherever this took place; London, I think) London go through? I doubt it.

I'm glad she didn't get in any real trouble. Five hundred pounds may or may not be a lot depending on how much money she has.

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="SirWander"]

hm, did you read the article? she's not being fined for defending herself, she's fined for kicking the guy in the face after he was unconscious. She also didn't call the cops, which would have a sensible thing to do, rather than kick his face in.

SirWander

you can defend yourself from an attacker, I don't think anyone here will dispute that. She went too far.

But wouldn't it be obvious that he was unconscious, unless he's a masochist and actually enjoyed being kicked.

it's not like I pity the drunkard, he deserved it as much as she deserves that fine.

It wasn't in the house though so he didn't breake in, dosn't mean he should of done it though but you should get the facts right first :P

knightseason

That detail is irrelevant to my point, but I'll change it anyway.

......You do know that she beat the guy after he was knocked out....Knocking out an attack is defending your self, beating when he's out cold is excessive force.dreman999

See my previous post. Yeah, I know that because I was in the military and have been trained to use a continuum of force when dealing with civilians. You expect everyone else to respond that way? You've received this training I suppose?

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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]

Its similar to police brutality, a lot of the time the person being beaten by an officer did commit a crime. But that doesn't mean they are now open to being beaten severely. The girl had him unconcious already and continued beating him to a point where he wasn't far from death.

Palantas

I'm being sarcastic with Mushroom, but I'll be straight foward here. Police are trained to deal with situations like this. They are paid to protectpeople (even violent suspects), and supposed to be able to deal with stressful situations. Is there some sort of mandatory, government-certified self-defense training that all people in (wherever this took place; London, I think) London go through? I doubt it.

I'm glad she didn't get in any real trouble. Five hundred pounds may or may not be a lot depending on how much money she has.

[QUOTE="SirWander"]

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Of course, the idea of defending yourself is just silly, people need to just let the attack happen and somehow be able to call the police at the same time. Like I said, it's hard to judge a situation unless you're involved, was she supposed to ask her attacker if he was unconscious?dreman999

you can defend yourself from an attacker, I don't think anyone here will dispute that. She went too far.

But wouldn't it be obvious that he was unconscious, unless he's a masochist and actually enjoyed being kicked.

it's not like I pity the drunkard, he deserved it as much as she deserves that fine.

Le Chevalier D'Eon

[QUOTE="knightseason"]

It wasn't in the house though so he didn't breake in, dosn't mean he should of done it though but you should get the facts right first :P

Palantas

That detail is irrelevant to my point, but I'll change it anyway.

......You do know that she beat the guy after he was knocked out....Knocking out an attack is defending your self, beating when he's out cold is excessive force.dreman999

See my previous post. Yeah, I know that because I was in the military and have been trained to use a continuum of force when dealing with civilians. You expect everyone else to respond that way? You've received this training I suppose?

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[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="SirWander"]

you can defend yourself from an attacker, I don't think anyone here will dispute that. She went too far.

But wouldn't it be obvious that he was unconscious, unless he's a masochist and actually enjoyed being kicked.

it's not like I pity the drunkard, he deserved it as much as she deserves that fine.

SirWander

Le Chevalier D'Eon