Insane - Girl fined for defending herself

Honestly you don't continually beat a person when they're down. Emotions probably got in the way, but still. bobaban

The guy who attacked her should have thought before he acted. He was obviously not acting with the best intentions towards the woman, so she had every right to fight back, or even kill him if necessary. If somebody attacks another person and they get killed, it's their fault, not the victims.

If somebody attacks another person and they get killed, it's their fault, not the victims.

david_critic

Well, she did go too far where it was no longer self-defense.

The masked man did nothing to her, so she was not right to hit him..Crimsader

remove the "-" from the title and it's fixed.

VaguelyTagged

Honestly you don't continually beat a person when they're down. Emotions probably got in the way, but still. bobaban

The article is also rather sketchy...I mean, "she turned around and he was attacking her" ...pardon me? Then somehow the guy was unconcious, with no explanation as to how this girl knocked him out. And no mention of what in hells name her boyfriend was doing as this occurred.

Seems to me, she turned around, there was a guy behind her, her boyfriend knocked him out. She kicked him repeatedly on the floor. Which would warrant punishment

It ceases to be self defense when the attacker is unconscious.Travo_basic

[QUOTE="Travo_basic"]It ceases to be self defense when the attacker is unconscious.MushroomWig

[QUOTE="Travo_basic"]It ceases to be self defense when the attacker is unconscious.MushroomWig

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I suppose people don't even have the right to defend themselves anymore without getting into trouble.

MushroomWig

This article is biased and unprofessional. Nonetheless you can still tell that the girl deserves the fine. She went far beyond self defense and almost killed the man. The only outcome I disagree with is that the attacker isn't being fined or jailed, but it is the girl's fault that it ended up this way.

This article is biased and unprofessional. Nonetheless you can still tell that the girl deserves the fine. She went far beyond self defense and almost killed the man. The only outcome I disagree with is that the attacker isn't being fined or jailed, but it is the girl's fault that it ended up this way.

ROFLCOPTER603

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

This article is biased and unprofessional. Nonetheless you can still tell that the girl deserves the fine. She went far beyond self defense and almost killed the man. The only outcome I disagree with is that the attacker isn't being fined or jailed, but it is the girl's fault that it ended up this way.

LJS9502_basic

I don't know law in the UK. In the US the girl would not be able to press charges after what she did.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

This article is biased and unprofessional. Nonetheless you can still tell that the girl deserves the fine. She went far beyond self defense and almost killed the man. The only outcome I disagree with is that the attacker isn't being fined or jailed, but it is the girl's fault that it ended up this way.

ROFLCOPTER603

I don't know law in the UK. In the US the girl would not be able to press charges after what she did.

It stops being self defence when the attacker is no longer able to attack.

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="Travo_basic"]It ceases to be self defense when the attacker is unconscious.LJS9502_basic

Tie up the attacker? Not sure about you but I don't really carry around rope on my person. Also not that many people know how to tie someone up, they will probably do it so the person can easily escape and go on the attack again. Or ending up killing the person. Also it is not always easy to stop defending your self after the attack goes down.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Not sure it's easy to tell the difference considering it was night time. I remember reading about a case where the attacker pretended to be unconscious long enough to get the upper hand on his victim. It's easy to judge when you're not in that situation though.Chaos_HL21

Tie up the attacker? Not sure about you but I don't really carry around rope on my person. Also not that many people know how to tie someone up, they will probably do it so the person can easily escape and go on the attack again. Or ending up killing the person. Also it is not always easy to stop defending your self after the attack goes down.

Heres a thought she was at her front door.. She could have gotten in the house and locked the door when the attacker appeared unconcious on the ground.. To think this is ok would accept a precedent that you could beat some one to death when they are no longer attacking.. Afterall they MAY still be a threat.. Both sides should have gotten charged here..

If you're attacking someone after they're down you are no longer defending yourself. You're committing assault.

It's a common misconception that self defense equals a free pass to beat someone to death.

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Tie up the attacker....then he can't attack. But you don't get a license to abuse an individual and call it self defense.sSubZerOo

Tie up the attacker? Not sure about you but I don't really carry around rope on my person. Also not that many people know how to tie someone up, they will probably do it so the person can easily escape and go on the attack again. Or ending up killing the person. Also it is not always easy to stop defending your self after the attack goes down.

Heres a thought she was at her front door.. She could have gotten in the house and locked the door when the attacker appeared unconcious on the ground.. To think this is ok would accept a precedent that you could beat some one to death when they are no longer attacking.. Afterall they MAY still be a threat.. Both sides should have gotten charged here..

Again it is not always easy to stop defending yourself after you got attacked. On top of that, the door probably was not unlocked so she would have to get her keys out and unlock the door. Open the door. Go in. Close the door and lock the door. That may be a simple task in everyday life, but things chang when you go into fight or flight mode. Someone with no combat training can not be expeceted to know when to stop defending their selfs.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

Tie up the attacker? Not sure about you but I don't really carry around rope on my person. Also not that many people know how to tie someone up, they will probably do it so the person can easily escape and go on the attack again. Or ending up killing the person. Also it is not always easy to stop defending your self after the attack goes down.

Chaos_HL21

Heres a thought she was at her front door.. She could have gotten in the house and locked the door when the attacker appeared unconcious on the ground.. To think this is ok would accept a precedent that you could beat some one to death when they are no longer attacking.. Afterall they MAY still be a threat.. Both sides should have gotten charged here..

Again it is not always easy to stop defending yourself after you got attacked. On top of that, the door probably was not unlocked so she would have to get her keys out and unlock the door. Open the door. Go in. Close the door and lock the door. That may be a simple task in everyday life, but things chang when you go into fight or flight mode. Someone with no combat training can not be expeceted to know when to stop defending their selfs.

She was with her boy friend.. And no sorry kickign a person unconcious in the face chest and throat.. Should never be allowed.. Those can be extremely fatal blows to some one..

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="Travo_basic"]It ceases to be self defense when the attacker is unconscious.LJS9502_basic

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I suppose people don't even have the right to defend themselves anymore without getting into trouble.

MushroomWig

These stories just keep getting worse and worse.

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

Again it is not always easy to stop defending yourself after you got attacked. On top of that, the door probably was not unlocked so she would have to get her keys out and unlock the door. Open the door. Go in. Close the door and lock the door. That may be a simple task in everyday life, but things chang when you go into fight or flight mode. Someone with no combat training can not be expeceted to know when to stop defending their selfs.

sSubZerOo

She was with her boy friend.. And no sorry kickign a person unconcious in the face chest and throat.. Should never be allowed.. Those can be extremely fatal blows to some one..

Did you even read what I posted? It is not easy to stop defending your self. Without traning a person don't know how to control their fear and panic so when they are defending theirselfs they don't know when to stop and often the fear and panics ends when the attacker is dead.

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Heres a thought she was at her front door.. She could have gotten in the house and locked the door when the attacker appeared unconcious on the ground.. To think this is ok would accept a precedent that you could beat some one to death when they are no longer attacking.. Afterall they MAY still be a threat.. Both sides should have gotten charged here..

sSubZerOo

Again it is not always easy to stop defending yourself after you got attacked. On top of that, the door probably was not unlocked so she would have to get her keys out and unlock the door. Open the door. Go in. Close the door and lock the door. That may be a simple task in everyday life, but things chang when you go into fight or flight mode. Someone with no combat training can not be expeceted to know when to stop defending their selfs.

She was with her boy friend.. And no sorry kickign a person unconcious in the face chest and throat.. Should never be allowed.. Those can be extremely fatal blows to some one..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

Again it is not always easy to stop defending yourself after you got attacked. On top of that, the door probably was not unlocked so she would have to get her keys out and unlock the door. Open the door. Go in. Close the door and lock the door. That may be a simple task in everyday life, but things chang when you go into fight or flight mode. Someone with no combat training can not be expeceted to know when to stop defending their selfs.

Chaos_HL21

She was with her boy friend.. And no sorry kickign a person unconcious in the face chest and throat.. Should never be allowed.. Those can be extremely fatal blows to some one..

Did you even read what I posted? It is not easy to stop defending your self. Without traning a person don't know how to control their fear and panic so when they are defending theirselfs they don't know when to stop and often the fear and panics ends when the attacker is dead.

Fear and panic don't really excuse you in the eyes of the law.

[QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"]

remove the "-" from the title and it's fixed.

MushroomWig

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

Again it is not always easy to stop defending yourself after you got attacked. On top of that, the door probably was not unlocked so she would have to get her keys out and unlock the door. Open the door. Go in. Close the door and lock the door. That may be a simple task in everyday life, but things chang when you go into fight or flight mode. Someone with no combat training can not be expeceted to know when to stop defending their selfs.

Chaos_HL21

She was with her boy friend.. And no sorry kickign a person unconcious in the face chest and throat.. Should never be allowed.. Those can be extremely fatal blows to some one..

Did you even read what I posted? It is not easy to stop defending your self. Without traning a person don't know how to control their fear and panic so when they are defending theirselfs they don't know when to stop and often the fear and panics ends when the attacker is dead.

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

She was with her boy friend.. And no sorry kickign a person unconcious in the face chest and throat.. Should never be allowed.. Those can be extremely fatal blows to some one..

Sandvichman

Did you even read what I posted? It is not easy to stop defending your self. Without traning a person don't know how to control their fear and panic so when they are defending theirselfs they don't know when to stop and often the fear and panics ends when the attacker is dead.

Well getting a chainsaw out. Filling it with fuel/pluging it in is not the same as kicking a person while they are down. Also what if the person goy back up after you punched hiim would you ask the person to get back on the ground and wait for the police to come.

Well it looked like she defended herself and then got revenge. I wonder if the dude said: "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine".

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

Did you even read what I posted? It is not easy to stop defending your self. Without traning a person don't know how to control their fear and panic so when they are defending theirselfs they don't know when to stop and often the fear and panics ends when the attacker is dead.

Chaos_HL21

Well getting a chainsaw out. Filling it with fuel/pluging it in is not the same as kicking a person while they are down. Also what if the person goy back up after you punched hiim would you ask the person to get back on the ground and wait for the police to come.

[QUOTE="HexedPelican"][QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"]

There's some serious misleading going on around here...

MushroomWig

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="Chojuto"] A drunk person chose to drink, an attack victim doesn't choose to be attacked.MushroomWig

This article is not detailled enough to make any assumptions about the intent of the man or the behaviour of this girl.
There are so much modifiers that can change the entire nature of this 'crime'

However, she went too far by continuing to kick her attacker on the head even after he was knocked unconscious.

You have the right to use reasonable force, not bludgeon someone until they're unconscious i.e targetting the legs rather than the head after the person fell down.

Vesica_Prime

I can't believe you have to be technical about this. Makes me want to jump one of you posters and see how you act. Were not all trained professionals to hold our emotions in when some 40 year old tried to do who knows what to you if he was successful. This is how stupid and technical our world has become. No one can do anything for themselves, always some sort of "authorized person" that can do this or that even when it comes down to defending for yourself.darkfox101

Nowhere does it say he was going to rape her. Was he also going to rape her boyfriend? Or just kill him? You can't just make assumptions.

.......she kept kicking the man in the head after he was unconsious. She easily could have killed him.

Considering that no charges were pressed against her I'm not totally in disagreement with this.

Serraph105

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.......she kept kicking the man in the head after he was unconsious. She easily could have killed him.

Considering that no charges were pressed against her I'm not totally in disagreement with this.

Saturos3091

Discussion topics with such a minimum amount of information and thinking you can judge better then the actual court, who actually had all information, is much more of a joke.

I can't believe you have to be technical about this. Makes me want to jump one of you posters and see how you act. Were not all trained professionals to hold our emotions in when some 40 year old tried to do who knows what to you if he was successful. This is how stupid and technical our world has become. No one can do anything for themselves, always some sort of "authorized person" that can do this or that even when it comes down to defending for yourself.darkfox101

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="Sandvichman"] An attack victim does however choose to keep beating down someone after they are down. rastotm

This article is not detailled enough to make any assumptions about the intent of the man or the behaviour of this girl.
There are so much modifiers that can change the entire nature of this 'crime'

Well you don't jump on 19 year old women wearing a ski mask with good intentions. There may be a lack of details but with that infomation you can kinda tell the intent of the man isn't good.

It's always easy to judge by the sidelines....

When you're attacked you go into survival more and you either do A) fight or B) flight instinctively.

If you manage to knocked down the attacker you will keep attacking intil you feel your life isn't in danger anymore... During this time the attacker can lose consciousness and you will get 4-5 hits while he is out or even more if your adrenaline is pumping extremly high. During this "Surivial mode" your not thinking rationaly (except if you've been train to handle these types of situations.)

I bet most of you guys never been in a situation like that... But hey it's easier to judge watching by the sidelines because your life ain't in danger...