haha, all this global warming talk is so funny.  A lot of talk for scientist.  We keep hearing about all this evidence that will one day cause big changes, but we never see any big changes.  And even if we do, so what?  Its not like any of these so called "efforts" to stem global warming are going to make any difference anyway.  China and India dont give a damn about global warming, and now that those 2 countries and their multiple billions of people are developing industries, we'll just see if its for real.  You people just believe whatever is spoon fed to you.  Scientists have so little data to base all of these claims off of, so we really cant know anything for sure.  What do we have to compare against, except the past, which just happens to have been ever changing?  There have been multitudes of different global climates throughout history and that climate has never been static.  What difference does it make if we are causing the change or if it is natural.  Either way, the world will adapt to a new climate, just as it always has.

i'm sure somebody will come here, flip out about what i said, and convince everyone that they need to conserve and do all this crap, and that's fine, but it will make no difference in the end because the 95% of the world doesn't give a **** A majority of people in the world have real problems and dont have time to worry about something we cant do anything about, like global warming.  So how about everyone stop listening to what the TV tells you to worry about, and get a real life with some real problems.  Worry about the things that affect your life, instead of what other people tell you is important.  You wouldn't have any idea that the climate was changing at all if no one told you.  So why does it matter to you?

EDIT:  just so everyone understands, i'm not against conservation as a way of keeping the planet clean, but dont do it because of global warming.  Do it because you dont want to live in a trash hole.

haha, all this global warming talk is so funny.  A lot of talk for scientist.  We keep hearing about all this evidence that will one day cause big changes, but we never see any big changes.  And even if we do, so what?  Its not like any of these so called "efforts" to stem global warming are going to make any difference anyway.  China and India dont give a damn about global warming, and now that those 2 countries and their multiple billions of people are developing industries, we'll just see if its for real.  You people just believe whatever is spoon fed to you.  Scientists have so little data to base all of these claims off of, so we really cant know anything for sure.  What do we have to compare against, except the past, which just happens to have been ever changing?  There have been multitudes of different global climates throughout history and that climate has never been static.  What difference does it make if we are causing the change or if it is natural.  Either way, the world will adapt to a new climate, just as it always has.

i'm sure somebody will come here, flip out about what i said, and convince everyone that they need to conserve and do all this crap, and that's fine, but it will make no difference in the end because the 95% of the world doesn't give a **** A majority of people in the world have real problems and dont have time to worry about something we cant do anything about, like global warming.  So how about everyone stop listening to what the TV tells you to worry about, and get a real life with some real problems.  Worry about the things that affect your life, instead of what other people tell you is important.  You wouldn't have any idea that the climate was changing at all if no one told you.  So why does it matter to you?

sheridan891

Can you summarize your book for us? I'm a little lazy today.

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]
Lol.
Yeah well, I doubt we had such extensive research back then.
And there is no reason not to protect the environment, unless all you can think about is money.Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="sheridan891"]

haha, all this global warming talk is so funny. A lot of talk for scientist. We keep hearing about all this evidence that will one day cause big changes, but we never see any big changes. And even if we do, so what? Its not like any of these so called "efforts" to stem global warming are going to make any difference anyway. China and India dont give a damn about global warming, and now that those 2 countries and their multiple billions of people are developing industries, we'll just see if its for real. You people just believe whatever is spoon fed to you. Scientists have so little data to base all of these claims off of, so we really cant know anything for sure. What do we have to compare against, except the past, which just happens to have been ever changing? There have been multitudes of different global climates throughout history and that climate has never been static. What difference does it make if we are causing the change or if it is natural. Either way, the world will adapt to a new climate, just as it always has.

i'm sure somebody will come here, flip out about what i said, and convince everyone that they need to conserve and do all this crap, and that's fine, but it will make no difference in the end because the 95% of the world doesn't give a **** A majority of people in the world have real problems and dont have time to worry about something we cant do anything about, like global warming. So how about everyone stop listening to what the TV tells you to worry about, and get a real life with some real problems. Worry about the things that affect your life, instead of what other people tell you is important. You wouldn't have any idea that the climate was changing at all if no one told you. So why does it matter to you?

THE_DRUGGIE

Can you summarize your book for us? I'm a little lazy today.

He's basically saying that if it's true everything will adapt anyway, so we should just not worry about it. 

[QUOTE="sheridan891"]

haha, all this global warming talk is so funny.  A lot of talk for scientist.  We keep hearing about all this evidence that will one day cause big changes, but we never see any big changes.  And even if we do, so what?  Its not like any of these so called "efforts" to stem global warming are going to make any difference anyway.  China and India dont give a damn about global warming, and now that those 2 countries and their multiple billions of people are developing industries, we'll just see if its for real.  You people just believe whatever is spoon fed to you.  Scientists have so little data to base all of these claims off of, so we really cant know anything for sure.  What do we have to compare against, except the past, which just happens to have been ever changing?  There have been multitudes of different global climates throughout history and that climate has never been static.  What difference does it make if we are causing the change or if it is natural.  Either way, the world will adapt to a new climate, just as it always has.

i'm sure somebody will come here, flip out about what i said, and convince everyone that they need to conserve and do all this crap, and that's fine, but it will make no difference in the end because the 95% of the world doesn't give a **** A majority of people in the world have real problems and dont have time to worry about something we cant do anything about, like global warming.  So how about everyone stop listening to what the TV tells you to worry about, and get a real life with some real problems.  Worry about the things that affect your life, instead of what other people tell you is important.  You wouldn't have any idea that the climate was changing at all if no one told you.  So why does it matter to you?

THE_DRUGGIE

Can you summarize your book for us? I'm a little lazy today.

sure.  it makes no difference if global warming exists or why its happening, because 95% of people have more important problems.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]can you read, because you havent read anything ive posted. We are to blame, i know that, but we didnt start global warming. CO2 lvls have risen and fallen for the last 600,000, that was also global warming, thats why we went from ice age, and then it melted, and another ice age, and that melted, that was due to rise and falling of temp due to co2 levels. However we have contributed so much CO2 that the level is higher than ever before, and this will cause temps to rise. So i know its our fault, but its only our fault its this bad, because its always gone up and down, at this point who knows if it will fall once up.-Karayan-

they have ice drill samples that scientist have used to determine the co2 lvl and temp. They know its already been happening. Watch an Inconvenient Truth, al gore bases everything he says off of things scientist have proven, this graph is like one seen in the movie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Carbon_Dioxide_400kyr-2.png co2 has risen and fallen for thousands of years, at the end of the graph it goes up, higher than before, that parts because of us this shows how temp has been going up and down, but again at the end its higher thats because of us http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png . we have caused it to go up higher than before but its always happned.

[QUOTE="bastards12345"]

Because industrialization is not causing global warming.:|-Karayan-

hope you like his, its proves everything i just said.

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]can you read, because you havent read anything ive posted. We are to blame, i know that, but we didnt start global warming. CO2 lvls have risen and fallen for the last 600,000, that was also global warming, thats why we went from ice age, and then it melted, and another ice age, and that melted, that was due to rise and falling of temp due to co2 levels. However we have contributed so much CO2 that the level is higher than ever before, and this will cause temps to rise. So i know its our fault, but its only our fault its this bad, because its always gone up and down, at this point who knows if it will fall once up.SaintLeonidas

they have ice drill samples that scientist have used to determine the co2 lvl and temp. They know its already been happening. Watch an Inconvenient Truth, al gore bases everything he says off of things scientist have proven, this graph is like one seen in the movie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Carbon_Dioxide_400kyr-2.png co2 has risen and fallen for thousands of years, at the end of the graph it goes up, higher than before, that parts because of us this shows how temp has been going up and down, but again at the end its higher thats because of us http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png . we have caused it to go up higher than before but its always happned.

[QUOTE="bastards12345"]

Because industrialization is not causing global warming.:|-Karayan-

you do realize that the second graph is just a small portion of the first one.  funny how changing the scale skews the data to fit your purpose.

No Evidence That Global Warming is manmade
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread275776/pg1
Statistical Analysis Debunks Climate Change Naysayers
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread272589/pg1
There Is No Man-Made Global Warming

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread105548/pg1

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread272971/pg1

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]can you read, because you havent read anything ive posted. We are to blame, i know that, but we didnt start global warming. CO2 lvls have risen and fallen for the last 600,000, that was also global warming, thats why we went from ice age, and then it melted, and another ice age, and that melted, that was due to rise and falling of temp due to co2 levels. However we have contributed so much CO2 that the level is higher than ever before, and this will cause temps to rise. So i know its our fault, but its only our fault its this bad, because its always gone up and down, at this point who knows if it will fall once up.-Karayan-

they have ice drill samples that scientist have used to determine the co2 lvl and temp. They know its already been happening. Watch an Inconvenient Truth, al gore bases everything he says off of things scientist have proven, this graph is like one seen in the movie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Carbon_Dioxide_400kyr-2.png co2 has risen and fallen for thousands of years, at the end of the graph it goes up, higher than before, that parts because of us this shows how temp has been going up and down, but again at the end its higher thats because of us http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png . we have caused it to go up higher than before but its always happned.

yeah we are the ones causing it to be this bad, but "global warming" has been happening for thousands of years.thats all im saying.

you do realize that the second graph is just a small portion of the first one. funny how changing the scale skews the data to fit your purpose.

sheridan891

No Evidence That Global Warming is manmade
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread275776/pg1
Statistical Analysis Debunks Climate Change Naysayers
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread272589/pg1
There Is No Man-Made Global Warming

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread105548/pg1 

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread272971/pg1 

 

areyoumad

leave smart people are trying to talk.

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]can you read, because you havent read anything ive posted. We are to blame, i know that, but we didnt start global warming. CO2 lvls have risen and fallen for the last 600,000, that was also global warming, thats why we went from ice age, and then it melted, and another ice age, and that melted, that was due to rise and falling of temp due to co2 levels. However we have contributed so much CO2 that the level is higher than ever before, and this will cause temps to rise. So i know its our fault, but its only our fault its this bad, because its always gone up and down, at this point who knows if it will fall once up.SaintLeonidas

they have ice drill samples that scientist have used to determine the co2 lvl and temp. They know its already been happening. Watch an Inconvenient Truth, al gore bases everything he says off of things scientist have proven, this graph is like one seen in the movie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Carbon_Dioxide_400kyr-2.png co2 has risen and fallen for thousands of years, at the end of the graph it goes up, higher than before, that parts because of us this shows how temp has been going up and down, but again at the end its higher thats because of us http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png . we have caused it to go up higher than before but its always happned.

yeah we are the ones causing it to be this bad, but "global warming" has been happening for thousands of years.thats all im saying.

yeah we are the ones causing it to be this bad, but "global warming" has been happening for thousands of years.thats all im saying.SaintLeonidas

[QUOTE="areyoumad"]

No Evidence That Global Warming is manmade
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread275776/pg1
Statistical Analysis Debunks Climate Change Naysayers
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread272589/pg1
There Is No Man-Made Global Warming

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread105548/pg1

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread272971/pg1

SaintLeonidas

leave smart people are trying to talk.

 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4340135300469846467

Global warming is a FRAUD! 

still having doubts
New Gag Rule Issued on US Scientists

GW is caused bythe sun and if the pubic got to know that our sun is dying there would be mass panic.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/3/132447/7483

[QUOTE="sheridan891"]

you do realize that the second graph is just a small portion of the first one. funny how changing the scale skews the data to fit your purpose.

-Karayan-

you really think we could cause global climate change in a couple hundred years when it takes hundreds of thousands of years to happen naturally?? i dont see how a graph of a few hundred years is relavant to anything.  Human beings love to feel like they have all this influence over the world, but that is far from the truth.  We may have a small impact, but to say that we could cause global climate change all by ourselves in less than 200 years is a farce.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]yeah we are the ones causing it to be this bad, but "global warming" has been happening for thousands of years.thats all im saying.-Karayan-

yes, we both know we are at fault.

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="sheridan891"]

you do realize that the second graph is just a small portion of the first one. funny how changing the scale skews the data to fit your purpose.

sheridan891

you really think we could cause global climate change in a couple hundred years when it takes hundreds of thousands of years to happen naturally?? i dont see how a graph of a few hundred years is relavant to anything. Human beings love to feel like they have all this influence over the world, but that is far from the truth. We may have a small impact, but to say that we could cause global climate change all by ourselves in less than 200 years is a farce.

Uhh global warming only happened on Mars because there was stuff too warm millions of years ago when it was like earth 'suposidly'.

No other planet was changed because of global warming,of course expect after the big bang

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="sheridan891"]

you do realize that the second graph is just a small portion of the first one. funny how changing the scale skews the data to fit your purpose.

sheridan891

you really think we could cause global climate change in a couple hundred years when it takes hundreds of thousands of years to happen naturally?? i dont see how a graph of a few hundred years is relavant to anything.  Human beings love to feel like they have all this influence over the world, but that is far from the truth.  We may have a small impact, but to say that we could cause global climate change all by ourselves in less than 200 years is a farce.

at this point co2 levels are 3 times higher then ever before, in 50-100 they will be 5 times higher, thats a big change, cause as more people are born and the need for more cars, factories go up so does the co2 lvl.

[QUOTE="sheridan891"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="sheridan891"]

you do realize that the second graph is just a small portion of the first one. funny how changing the scale skews the data to fit your purpose.

-Karayan-

you really think we could cause global climate change in a couple hundred years when it takes hundreds of thousands of years to happen naturally?? i dont see how a graph of a few hundred years is relavant to anything. Human beings love to feel like they have all this influence over the world, but that is far from the truth. We may have a small impact, but to say that we could cause global climate change all by ourselves in less than 200 years is a farce.

that's alright.  the scientific community says a lot of things, then changes their mind 10 years later.  We'll see what happens.

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="sheridan891"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="sheridan891"]

you do realize that the second graph is just a small portion of the first one. funny how changing the scale skews the data to fit your purpose.

sheridan891

you really think we could cause global climate change in a couple hundred years when it takes hundreds of thousands of years to happen naturally?? i dont see how a graph of a few hundred years is relavant to anything. Human beings love to feel like they have all this influence over the world, but that is far from the truth. We may have a small impact, but to say that we could cause global climate change all by ourselves in less than 200 years is a farce.

that's alright.  the scientific community says a lot of things, then changes their mind 10 years later.  We'll see what happens.

well alot of scientist have been saying this already over ten years. And its not a few scientist, it hundred around the world.

I think we're looking at the wrong problem and graph for that matter...here's the real issue....Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="sheridan891"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="sheridan891"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="sheridan891"]

you do realize that the second graph is just a small portion of the first one. funny how changing the scale skews the data to fit your purpose.

SaintLeonidas

you really think we could cause global climate change in a couple hundred years when it takes hundreds of thousands of years to happen naturally?? i dont see how a graph of a few hundred years is relavant to anything. Human beings love to feel like they have all this influence over the world, but that is far from the truth. We may have a small impact, but to say that we could cause global climate change all by ourselves in less than 200 years is a farce.

that's alright. the scientific community says a lot of things, then changes their mind 10 years later. We'll see what happens.

well alot of scientist have been saying this already over ten years. And its not a few scientist, it hundred around the world.

what my graph shows people that lot's of pointless correlations happen by chance......proving that they mean anything is what scientific theory should be about...and in regards to global warming...it's seems that scientific theory goes out the window.....Omni-Slash

the thing with global waring is it may be thoeries, and scientist may not be totally sure, however we cant take the chance, cause if we do nothing and it turns out to be real then millions will die.

what my graph shows people that lot's of pointless correlations happen by chance......proving that they mean anything is what scientific theory should be about...and in regards to global warming...it's seems that scientific theory goes out the window.....Omni-Slash

the thing with global waring is it may be thoeries, and scientist may not be totally sure, however we cant take the chance, cause if we do nothing and it turns out to be real then millions will die.

SaintLeonidas

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="sheridan891"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="sheridan891"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="sheridan891"]

you do realize that the second graph is just a small portion of the first one. funny how changing the scale skews the data to fit your purpose.

-Karayan-

you really think we could cause global climate change in a couple hundred years when it takes hundreds of thousands of years to happen naturally?? i dont see how a graph of a few hundred years is relavant to anything. Human beings love to feel like they have all this influence over the world, but that is far from the truth. We may have a small impact, but to say that we could cause global climate change all by ourselves in less than 200 years is a farce.

that's alright. the scientific community says a lot of things, then changes their mind 10 years later. We'll see what happens.

well alot of scientist have been saying this already over ten years. And its not a few scientist, it hundred around the world.

sorry dude, but 10 or 15 years ago they were saying the earth was cooling down.  Now all the sudden they say its been warming for 200 years?  haha, sorry to break it to you, but humanity doesn't have a big enough footprint to change the world in 200 years.  THe world is ever changing, and we're just along for the ride.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

the thing with global waring is it may be thoeries, and scientist may not be totally sure, however we cant take the chance, cause if we do nothing and it turns out to be real then millions will die.

Omni-Slash

but the majority of people know its happening, there is to much proof to blow it off. Wanna talk about wasting billions, lets talk about useless things like iraq.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

the thing with global waring is it may be thoeries, and scientist may not be totally sure, however we cant take the chance, cause if we do nothing and it turns out to be real then millions will die.

Omni-Slash

exactly.  These are problems we can and should fix, instead of worrying about something we cant do anything about.  We should try to take care of the earth by taking care each other.  Most of the world is suffering today, but we spend all of our time worrying about how it might suffer tomorrow.

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]
Except the global temperature and CO2 are related.Omni-Slash

the graphs over lap. scientist can detect co2 levels and temp. and when the graphs are put together when ever co2 went up so did the temp.

but the majority of people know its happening, there is to much proof to blow it off. Wanna talk about wasting billions, lets talk about useless things like iraq.

SaintLeonidas

This makes me quite upset. it's people like you who are holding us back from making changes that will save our world. In three weeks I will graduate from college with a degree in climate physics engineering and there are always people who try to look for loopholes in the fact that global warming is happening. Of course a natural global warming does occur, and can occur on other planets, but that does not mean that our actions do not intensify it here on earth. The carbon dioxide, CFC's and other chemicals we put into the atmosphere are accelerating what would be natural fluctuations in the climate, and the president effectively gags scientists so that they won't object to his ridiculous policies. I don't even understand what the point of your side of the debate stands to gain- if we don't change, the world will be changed in a way we cannot adapt to.ShadySpecimen

please, dont bring your college professors opinions and try to pretend they're facts.  Colleges brainwash kids like religions.  There are plenty of reputable scienctist that disagree with current global warming theories.  THe biggest problem with that scientific community is that as soon as you present ideas the stray from the status quo, you're suddenly a radical loony and you lose all your credibility. 

This makes me quite upset. it's people like you who are holding us back from making changes that will save our world. In three weeks I will graduate from college with a degree in climate physics engineering and there are always people who try to look for loopholes in the fact that global warming is happening. Of course a natural global warming does occur, and can occur on other planets, but that does not mean that our actions do not intensify it here on earth. The carbon dioxide, CFC's and other chemicals we put into the atmosphere are accelerating what would be natural fluctuations in the climate, and the president effectively gags scientists so that they won't object to his ridiculous policies. I don't even understand what the point of your side of the debate stands to gain- if we don't change, the world will be changed in a way we cannot adapt to.ShadySpecimen

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

but the majority of people know its happening, there is to much proof to blow it off. Wanna talk about wasting billions, lets talk about useless things like iraq.

Omni-Slash

I think most of these people were too young to remember the days of the "global cooling" scare.